Having seen the whole Galaxy issue become something of a slug fest I was frankly incensed by this last post...

Originally posted by Smedley
Secondly there are a fair number of people (and the number is growing with every passing year) that don't particularly feel the need to commemorate something that happened ages ago (and please don't post that it also commemorates more recent conflicts, because the large majority would've preferred that these conflicts didn't take place).
Let's get a clue shall we... Rememberance day is about ALL those who have served, and died in the service of their country in any conflict... They died to protect the rights of people such as yourself to continue to enjoy the freedoms you do right now. My own grandparents refuse point blank to talk about what they endured and don't harp back to that age.. but it's no doubt they along with their generation and many other since, sacrificed a great deal.

It is not about whether we lost or won a conflict, nor whether you feel it was a farce... People died.. You don't just p*ss on their memory because you didn't agree with this conflict or that battle..

In the first 2 world wars those who served had little choice as to whether they did or did not serve.. and certainly not about whether they lived or died...

So, sitting here and listening to your ill informed and insensitive drivel is making my blood boil...

I truly hope you never need face conscription or need the protection of a member of our armed services because frankly I wouldn't waste a bullet on you with that attitude.

I think smedley's problem is that he thinks that Remembrance is all about commemorating the wars. In fact, what we are all remembering and commemorating is the sacrifice that many people made in defence of our country, irrespective of whether or not a particular war was considered right or wrong.

I don't think anyone in their right mind would commemorate a war per se.

I suspect Smedley was just trying to wind people up.

I don't think he was purely try to wind people up. It's all about arrogance. Lots of people these days couldn't give a monkeys about remembering those who have died in the wars.

Smedley is one of a growing number of people who believe that it's all in the past and only for the Queen and some "old codgers" to be interested in. A lot of people don't realise that by remembering the dead we are not only showing respect to their families and friends, but we are also keeping ourselves 'in check' by reminding ourselves of the horrors of war.

i think smedly was just saying not many people actually do rememberance day! becuase they feel no need to.

to be frank, i only do the silence because i have to cos im at college etc.

fair enough they died for us, but this day will be forgotton soon, when the veterans are all gone!!

then there will be a new one for the troops of today!!

may sound harsh...but think about it.
people move on, you cant morn a day forever, cos new things have happened since!!

The sad thing is though, that "reminding ourselves of the horrors of war" doesn't seem to stop us doing it again and again.

Originally posted by steelcitybab
then there will be a new one for the troops of today!!
There is no distinction made between those who died in the Boar war from those who died and are dying in Iraq, or WW2 or the Falklands or Korea... the list goes on..

It's not about new or old... it's about sacrifice and respect...

Originally posted by Martin_s
There is no distinction made between those who died in the Boar war from those who died and are dying in Iraq, or WW2 or the Falklands or Korea... the list goes on..

It's not about new or old... it's about sacrifice and respect...

true, but how long can you expect the population to remember for!!

like i said before, you cant morn forever!!

im sorry but i live for the present not for the past!!!

not indended to cause offence or disrespect!!

Originally posted by nick2
The sad thing is though, that "reminding ourselves of the horrors of war" doesn't seem to stop us doing it again and again.
That's true to an extent - wars do still happen, but nothing like on the scale of the World Wars. It's hard to calculate the sub-conscious effect of these ceremonies on the psyche of the world, but I feel they do have some effect.

Originally posted by steelcitybab
true, but how long can you expect the population to remember for!!
Well, impractical as it might seem, pretty much indefinitely... it's not about mourning for most people.. it's just a small note of thanks, for some it's to remember lost friends, loved ones, etc...

There's plenty of mention of remembering so that people try to avoid conflict in the first place... A whole slew of things..

So, you could argue that it's as much about remembering to try and protect the future as much as pausing briefly to consider the past...

Originally posted by Martin_s
Well, impractical as it might seem, pretty much indefinitely... it's not about mourning for most people.. it's just a small note of thanks, for some it's to remember lost friends, loved ones, etc...

There's plenty of mention of remembering so that people try to avoid conflict in the first place... A whole slew of things..

So, you could argue that it's as much about remembering to try and protect the future as much as pausing briefly to consider the past...

fair point, i accept that!!

but i stil believe, what i stil believe!!!

fair??

everyone to there own!

I understand thta what they did for us was brilliant and no amount of thanx can bring them back or replay them for what they sacrificed!!
but how do we know that if they hadn't have done what they did, we still wouldn't have the life we have got now!!!

YOU CANT CHANGE THE PAST, SO YOU MAY AS WELL LIVE TO THE FUTURE!!

Originally posted by Geoff
That's true to an extent - wars do still happen, but nothing like on the scale of the World Wars. It's hard to calculate the sub-conscious effect of these ceremonies on the psyche of the world, but I feel they do have some effect.

I think the world wars were fought on a more personal level, the lack of any real technology made them practically a hand to hand fight.
These days opposing sides fire missiles at each other from 200 miles away and it seems less like warfare.

Maybe from now on we could get anyone signing up for the army to read a disclaimer saying "Should you die during this conflict which a large majority of the country doesn't believe in, most of the country won't give a rat's ass, and we'll go about our business in early November".

if some of you actually deemed to turn up at the rememberance day parade you might just discover what its about,take a look at the pride in the veterans faces,compare what theyve been through and what you,ve done to quallify your glib attitudes......
and it,s not all old codgers,there are young ex soldiers there who lost arms and legs and in some cases their mental state,children who have lost parents in armed conflicts,widows who still mourn after six or seven decades.......can you put your hand up and say what you have risked,lost or done for the country.........

I keep saying this... I don't mind what people do with their own lives, but I don't feel the need to be part of it. It actually gets on my nerves that we hand so much TV and radio airtime over to such things, and I'm just expressing that opinion.

I also get sick of being forced to remember what a pearl Princess Di was, and VE day, and D-Day, and 9-11, and every other filler on the bloody News.

Originally posted by smedley
I also get sick of being forced to remember what a pearl Princess Di was, and VE day, and D-Day, and 9-11, and every other filler on the bloody News.
We all get sick of too much coverage. However, the news tends to cover things that interest the majority of people. The best idea is to stop watching something as soon as you get sick/bored of it... that's what the rest of us do...

:confused:

Originally posted by steelcitybab
true, but how long can you expect the population to remember for!!

like i said before, you cant morn forever!!

im sorry but i live for the present not for the past!!!

not indended to cause offence or disrespect!!

Unfortunately, this is typical of the attitude of today's generation, which is why most of them have no respect for anyone or anything (not you personally, before you go off on one). Makes you wonder what future generations will be like. I shudder to think.

I can remember when all this was fields. Used to be able to leave your back door open. Everyone helped each other... etc... etc... etc...

Originally posted by depoix
if some of you actually deemed to turn up at the rememberance day parade you might just discover what its about,take a look at the pride in the veterans faces,compare what theyve been through and what you,ve done to quallify your glib attitudes......
and it,s not all old codgers,there are young ex soldiers there who lost arms and legs and in some cases their mental state,children who have lost parents in armed conflicts,widows who still mourn after six or seven decades.......can you put your hand up and say what you have risked,lost or done for the country.........

Nice words, but wasted I fear. A great many of young people today have no interest or respect for the people who died for this country in the two World Wars. It's old, boring, and of no significance to them, so why should they care? Do they actually care about anything except themselves? I doubt it.

Originally posted by smedley
I can remember when all this was fields. Used to be able to leave your back door open. Everyone helped each other... etc... etc... etc...

You sound like a lovely person. bet you've got loads of friends.

National service'd do 'em world o'good.

Originally posted by wasp
National service'd do 'em world o'good.

What goes around comes around. Luckily, their kids (or even yours if I misread this and it's meant to be sarcasm) will be even more selfish and disrespectful than they are. Can't wait.

Originally posted by Killian
You sound like a lovely person. bet you've got loads of friends.

Do you not understand that your constant whinging is what makes the youth of today simply flick the Vs, turn their backs and get on with their glue, or X-Box, or whatever the little terrors are up to.

Of course I bet in your day you were up in arms about the Boer War, weren't you? Probably not. You will have been getting on with being young.

You're just jealous because these days kids have better shoes and get laid younger.

Originally posted by smedley

You're just jealous

That's original. Why don't you try 'Get A Life' and 'Deal With It'.

I take it you were an unwanted child? Still are, by the sounds of it.

Originally posted by Killian
That's original. Why don't you try 'Get A Life' and 'Deal With It'.

I take it you were an unwanted child? Still are, by the sounds of it.

Hold on. You're the one resorting to schoolboy taunts! I can almost hear you harumphing & rustling the Daily Mail now.

And come on, admit it... You wish you were young enough for a decent pair of Nikes.

Originally posted by smedley
. You wish you were young enough for a decent pair of Nikes.

Yes, even though I prefer Reeboks. Don't worry, you'll look old and ridiculous one day, if you manage to live that long.

Reeboks!

Right now I'm pushing my tongue into my bottom lip, making a "nngggmmmpphhhh" noise, waggling my arms and trying to lick my ear.

(commonly known in schoolyard parlance as a 'joey')

Originally posted by smedley
Do you not understand that your constant whinging is what makes the youth of today simply flick the Vs, turn their backs and get on with their glue, or X-Box, or whatever the little terrors are up to.

Of course I bet in your day you were up in arms about the Boer War, weren't you? Probably not. You will have been getting on with being young.

You're just jealous because these days kids have better shoes and get laid younger. twenty two years ago the falklands were won by the efforts of people of an average age of 19..what went wrong in the past 22 years?

Your point being...

Originally posted by smedley
Reeboks!

Right now I'm pushing my tongue into my bottom lip, making a "nngggmmmpphhhh" noise, waggling my arms and trying to lick my ear.

I'm a 43 year old woman. Why would I be intersted in trainers? I do have respect for the older generation though, which we all had when I was 'getting on with being young'.

Originally posted by smedley
Your point being...

There isn't any point. Not any that you would understand.

I do too. I love 'em. Take my Grandma for instance... A couple of years ago I had her laughing so hard, she spat her false teeth into my pint!

Then there's celebrity fogies... Victor Meldrew... He's great. The lads off that summer wine thing, always rolling down the hill in a bath... Brilliant... Greengrass... The golden girls.

I love em all.

Originally posted by Killian
There isn't any point. Not any that you would understand.

I wasn't talking to you, dear.

Aaah... It all starts to go, doesn't it. Fair dos for getting out and mastering these new-fangled computers, though.

possibly the unfortunate accident your mum and dad had !!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by smedley
I wasn't talking to you, dear.

Aaah... It all starts to go, doesn't it. Fair dos for getting out and mastering these new-fangled computers, though.

At least I get out. You couldn't go out for fear of being bullied, so fair play, you mastered a computer to combat your complex.

Originally posted by smedley
I wasn't talking to you, dear.



In case you're having problems with the forum, you have to click on PM to send someone a personal message.

Come on though, Depwar (after you too have finished with the personal jibes). What do you mean about the last 22 years?

As I remember the whole Falklands caper was something the majority didn't want to get into.

Is your point that we should all be khaki-wearing maniacs, trained to kill at the PMs command?

If so, get your Dads Army DVDs out and go and have two minutes in the toilet.

Originally posted by Killian
In case you're having problems with the forum, you have to click on PM to send someone a personal message.

Jesus, lady... Is it any wonder the family never visit?!

Originally posted by smedley
Jesus, lady... Is it any wonder the family never visit?!

Is that it? I just thought they hated the smell of stale urine :heyhey:

Originally posted by smedley
Come on though, Depwar (after you too have finished with the personal jibes). What do you mean about the last 22 years?

As I remember the whole Falklands caper was something the majority didn't want to get into.

Is your point that we should all be khaki-wearing maniacs, trained to kill at the PMs command?

If so, get your Dads Army DVDs out and go and have two minutes in the toilet. just showing your age,if you could remember it the whole of britain was up for it,street parties pop songs the works,people waving off the fleet, it brought britain together,now..drink your milk and get up to bed theres a good lad.....

I was there and I can't remember street parties.

Could you tell me what the songs were, too? I'd be really interested, because I can't remember them either.

I'm sure you're going to prove me wrong here, but I am geniunely interested, as I was there but can't remember.

I do remember Thatcher being made to look an idiot about it every time she was questioned by members of the public.

Originally posted by smedley
I was there and I can't remember street parties.

Could you tell me what the songs were, too? I'd be really interested, because I can't remember them either.

I'm sure you're going to prove me wrong here, but I am geniunely interested, as I was there but can't remember. how about rod srewart.SAILING,became a hit all over again......any way got to go and pick my son up now so thanks for the chat.....see ya..