Theres a story regarding 3men who robbed a newly married couple. Disposed of there Bodies then went crazy. If anyone has the full story of this legand or story could you please fill in the blanks for me. Also theres other haunted places I castleton isn't there.

This it is nicked from a website
This impressive limestone gorge is said to be haunted by a young couple called Clara and Henry who were murdered whilst eloping.

The pair were ambushed one night in 1758, robbed and killed, their bodies were found years later buried near a barn. Their remains were re-interred in Castleton churchyard.

It is said that years later a miner who was on his death bed confessed that he and four of his friends had committed the crime. He suggested that all of the perpetrators had met a sticky end.
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Most of the time it isn't that difficult to find the info on google. This took me all of 10 seconds.
One of the trips down the mines ( speedwell I think) will go into full detail about what happened and also tell some terrible jokes about the aftermath. A flat minor is one of the punchlines.
The castle pub claims to have 4 ghosts and there are loads of other stories about castleton.
Winnats pass is somewhere that means a lot for me for personal reasons but I find Castleton a bit to Ye oldie. Do you want blue john on your chips sort of place.

Thank for your time and effort I will check google maybe theres more great place to start. :D

My book shelves are in a bit of a mess at the moment due to having building work done but I have got several books about some of the folklore and history of derbyshire and sheffield.
It's something I've been interested in for a long time.

I must admit that Castleton has a firm hold on me as well. I have cycled up Winnat's Pass loads of times and it's (as with all the surrounding area) beauty is breathtaking.

Originally posted by vidster
I must admit that Castleton has a firm hold on me as well. I have cycled up Winnat's Pass loads of times and it's (as with all the surrounding area) beauty is breathtaking. Riding your bike up Winnats is certainly breathtaking, you can hardly breath at the top.
I to do this hill regular.:gag:

Ah, just the mentioning of the name Castleton whilst I'm sat at this desk is like a huge stress-buster. I love the place whether it be in summer (sat in the Castle's beer garden or walking around looking in the shops) or in winter when there's a mist descending on Winnat's Pass and Mam Tor is barely visible.

In winter, Christmas preferably, all the Christmas trees lit up, sat in the Bull's Head by the fire drinking a bottle or two of Owd Tom (it knocks your socks off). Lovely.

To any students new to Sheffield, I recommend a trip to Castleton at Christmas to see the lights - a million times better than anything you'll see in town (more traditional too).

In summer, a walk up the old road beneath Mam Tor, to see the power of nature. That is one freaky road!!! Still, it's a smoother ride than Sandygate Road.....,

Originally posted by Cycleracer
Riding your bike up Winnats is certainly breathtaking, you can hardly breath at the top.
I to do this hill regular.:gag:

I know where your coming from there:). I must admit i have neglected the cycling this year. Probably the reason for being so fat now!:hihi:

I Now Live In Canada (ontario) But Visit Castleton Everytime We Come To Sheffield, It Really Is The Closest Thing To Heaven!

the saddle belonging to the murdered couple was on display in the shop on winnats pass,they were eloping to get married and stayed the night in a local pub,the miners decided to waylay them next morning,they were murdered and their bodies hidden down one of the mines, each miner involved died in a horrible way,the last one confessed all on his death bed

I remember seeing the side-saddle used by the eloping couple on display in the gift shop of the Speedwell Cavern - see for example http://ephem.blogspot.com/2005/06/winnats-pass.html

In the 1960s I had a school pal who was interested in geology, and we used to visit Winnats Pass at weekends, gathering fossils and rock samples. We often went, equipped with torches, into the Old Tor Mine (on the right-hand side of the pass going up, not far from the top - a path leads to the entrance) but you can't go in it now as there is a locked gate barring the entrance and the roof of the main "cavern" (which had three holes down which you could abseil) has been sealed. Maybe too many people got stuck, as we went a good 150 yards along the passages and never got right to the end. I think the mine was mainly for Blue John, rather than lead, and Blue John was probably still being mined there in the 1960s, to judge from discarded pieces that could be found littering the floor. I still have some nice samples of Blue John - here's a photo of a 5-inch, 2½-pound chunk that came from the Old Tor Mine in 1969: http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u219/twigmore/BlueJohn.jpg

Its also said that you can hear the woman wailing up there:suspect:
Freaks me out when I go up there

My husband drives up that way to Manchester at least once a week, has done for years, and he's never seen anything strange. The worst thing about going up Winnats early morning is the occasional dead sheep which some idiot has hit so my husband usually has to get out the car in nice suit/shirt etc. to move said sheep into the edge of the road to avoid anyone having an accident. Other than that, he loves Winnats all year round, ghosts or not!

Duffems.

I must admit that Castleton has a firm hold on me as well. I have cycled up Winnat's Pass loads of times and it's (as with all the surrounding area) beauty is breathtaking.

The hill itself is breathtaking to, especially when you get to the green salt bin....

To go back to the original question, it is supposed to have happened in 1758. A young couple eloping to be married at Peak Forest were robbed and murdered in the pass, and their bodies thrown down the Speedwell mine. The culprits were 3 miners who were never caught. But on his deathbed a miner who knew them said one was killed in a rockfall, one hanged himself, and the other went insane.

Castleton was a favorite haunt of mine when I was growing up. I used to go potholing and yes, Hillsboro, I've been down that mine you mention. Go up Winnats Pass, turn left at the top. Somewhere along that road in a field on the rhs is Giant's Hole, which I went down many times. WP is an eery place at dusk. I've experienced that creepy feeling, but in broad daylight it's a beautiful spot, one of my favorite places. Back in the 60s, every Sunday, the train from Sheffield to Hope used to be filled with rowdy teenagers who ran amok on the train and then off it, as they trekked from Hope to WP. Does that still happen or did it die out?


I remember seeing the side-saddle used by the eloping couple on display in the gift shop of the Speedwell Cavern - see for example http://ephem.blogspot.com/2005/06/winnats-pass.html

In the 1960s I had a school pal who was interested in geology, and we used to visit Winnats Pass at weekends, gathering fossils and rock samples. We often went, equipped with torches, into the Old Tor Mine (on the right-hand side of the pass going up, not far from the top - a path leads to the entrance) but you can't go in it now as there is a locked gate barring the entrance and the roof of the main "cavern" (which had three holes down which you could abseil) has been sealed. Maybe too many people got stuck, as we went a good 150 yards along the passages and never got right to the end. I think the mine was mainly for Blue John, rather than lead, and Blue John was probably still being mined there in the 1960s, to judge from discarded pieces that could be found littering the floor. I still have some nice samples of Blue John - here's a photo of a 5-inch, 2½-pound chunk that came from the Old Tor Mine in 1969: http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u219/twigmore/BlueJohn.jpg

ahh the fun I have had cycling up winnats!

I have made a bit of a mission of climbing the "best" hills locally and in other parts of the uk.

Winnats is right up there infact the only hill I have been up which is steeper/more difficult is wynrose pass in the Lake district.

I recently came across a series of novels written by Stephen Booth. He bases his stories in and around the Castleton, and Derbyshire areas, throwing fact in along with his fiction. One incorporated the item of the poor lad trapped in Speedwell Cavern, and knowing the local scenes he describes in the books make them all the more interesting. Give them a try.

One incorporated the item of the poor lad trapped in Speedwell Cavern...

Could this have been Neil Moss, who was trapped in the Peak Cavern? I remember this well - see http://www.grantham.karoo.net/paul/graves/neilmoss.htm

Stephen Booth's novels certainly sound like a good read - I just looked on abebooks.co.uk and they are easily available quite cheaply.

That's the one. Sad story, been covered on the forum already

Could this have been Neil Moss, who was trapped in the Peak Cavern? I remember this well - see http://www.grantham.karoo.net/paul/graves/neilmoss.htm

Stephen Booth's novels certainly sound like a good read - I just looked on abebooks.co.uk and they are easily available quite cheaply.

I remember the 9 o clock train to Hope station, a gang of us used to catch it and walk to casleton through the fields, be about 1960 I'd be 11 then, I remember the older lads singin [walk like a man] which was in the charts at the time,by the 4 seasons, at this time some of you may remember Neil Moss who was trapped and latter died in Peak Cavern around the same time.I remember a cave we called [the mouse trap] just over the catle grid at winnats pass up to the right .the one higher up the pass and mutch harder to
climb to I forget what we called It.It had a tunnel about 4 foot high which opened up to a large cavern and there were 3 holes in the roof [which you could also gain entrance to the cavern] in the left corner of the cavern you could scrawl through an entrance and carry on 4 maybe 80 yards and then there was a steep incline down to the end of the mine.
the train back to sheffield was fun as the older lads used to screw out the carriage bullbs before the totley tunnel and have fun with the girls in the dark
oh happy times Im 59 now but those memories are still strong.

I remember a cave we called [the mouse trap] just over the catle grid at winnats pass up to the right .the one higher up the pass and much harder to climb to I forget what we called It.It had a tunnel about 4 foot high which opened up to a large cavern and there were 3 holes in the roof [which you could also gain entrance to the cavern] in the left corner of the cavern you could scrawl through an entrance and carry on 4 maybe 80 yards and then there was a steep incline down to the end of the mine. This is the Old Tor Mine (see my post #11 on this thread). You could climb down the steep incline until about the early 1960s but then they must have done some blasting and this made it too steep and risky without caving gear. There was lots of Blue John in the walls of the mine (which I think included some natural caverns) as well as other colourful minerals. Somewhere I have a couple of photos; I'll try to find them and put them on Photobox.

... the train back to sheffield was fun as the older lads used to screw out the carriage bullbs before the totley tunnel and have fun with the girls in the dark. oh happy times Im 59 now but those memories are still strong. Ah - so you it was you lot who got up to all the hanky-panky in the next coach to ours! I'm a year older and we always enjoyed the train ride (it would be an ex-LMS tank engine and three or four old suburban coaches with no corridor) as well as walking over the hills.

Does anyone remember the Douglas Museum? It was in a private house on the narrow lane near the back of Castleton Youth Hostel. I never went in (as it cost 9d...) but you could see a few curios through the windows - ships in bottles etc.

Happy days.

Hi guys, I did a dissertation on Winnats Pass and the Peak District and found some really scary facts. That area is a hotspot for missing hikers and also has a ridiculously high level of ghost sightings and they have banned camping in many of the areas..... I was so freaked out when I did the research that I had nightmares for about 2 weeks. Allan and Clara's saddle was the thing that inspired me to write my dissertation on it. They authorities say that the missing people may have got lost in the caves and possibly been washed into the underground rivers.

It was really difficult to any sense out of anyone in the area, its all very hush hush. Apart from that the area is sooooo beautiful.

Anybody fancy doing a ghost expedition? hehe.

Hi guys, I did a dissertation on Winnats Pass and the Peak District and found some really scary facts. That area is a hotspot for missing hikers and also has a ridiculously high level of ghost sightings and they have banned camping in many of the areas..... I was so freaked out when I did the research that I had nightmares for about 2 weeks. Allan and Clara's saddle was the thing that inspired me to write my dissertation on it. They authorities say that the missing people may have got lost in the caves and possibly been washed into the underground rivers.

It was really difficult to any sense out of anyone in the area, its all very hush hush. Apart from that the area is sooooo beautiful.

Anybody fancy doing a ghost expedition? hehe.

My OH uses the Winnats Pass at least twice a month on their way to Stockport, in a car with the doors locked of course, they're never too happy on a very foggy day like today but, they've been doing the journey for many years and never seen anything spooky yet.
The sheep are the scariest things on Winnat's, they really have a death wish!

The sheep are the scariest things on Winnat's, they really have a death wish!

My wife has a theory that there are two types of sheep in the world - 'flat sheep' - that stand about on flat fields or 'hilly sheep' that can stand on hills as steep as winnats. When queired about this thoery asked how she simply says that the hilly sheep have telescopic legs.

Back to the topic - my old grandfather used to drive for a brewery - always came back talking about the bloody awful journey over the 'shivering mountain' (Mam Tor)- for years as a kid I had nightmares of this mountain shaking off anyone who dared to travel up its sides.

Little ironic that years later a friend of mine was killed running down one of the paths on Mam Tor - he slipped and fell down the steep shale hill - apparantly he was not a pretty sight when they found him at the bottom

I know where your coming from there:). I must admit i have neglected the cycling this year. Probably the reason for being so fat now!:hihi:
Coming down on fixed wheel is even worse. I attempted it once on a fixed cog (12 teeth) and the screams echoed for miles so they said. So if you ever hear any screams down Winnats Pass they're probably the echoes of my original efforts.

I bought a leaflet on a school trip which explained the story. Bare in mind this was 20 years ago, but I seem to remember that there were 5 miners, not 3. The couple were travelling through Winnats Pass one evening when they stopped in a local pub. They had a few drinks and started flashing the cash a bit in front of some miners. When they left the pub (woman on the horse) and the bloke walking alongside, 5 miners robbed them for their money and murdered them with a pick axe. There bodies were hidden somewhere and never found, but the saddle from the horse was on display (I can't remember what happened to the horse itself). Following on from the incident, each of the miners died in mysterious circumstances. If I recall correctly, one died from illness, another went mad with guilt and threw himself of a rock face, another hung himself, and I can't remember the rest! Anyway, that's more or less what happened, but as I said at the start, it was a good 20 years ago since I read the leaflet!

hi if you go on u tube. type in most hunted midsummer murders. The most hunted team do a full invistigation on this story, iv'e watche it and it's quite scary:o

hi if you go on u tube. type in most hunted midsummer murders. The most hunted team do a full invistigation on this story, iv'e watche it and it's quite scary:o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhQ1o2muYvM