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weenireeni 23-04-2007, 17:35 I'm soooo excited! I will even go to the cinema to watch this and not download it! :hihi:
Just listening to how the premiere is going on Radio 1, sounds great!
Cant wait to see Tobey Maguire on the big screen :)
Yaaaaaaaay looking forward to it as well.
Love Spiderman Hate Batman.
I find Batman extremely boring.
I'll go and see it but I care more about the Joker themed Batman Begins sequel. Anyone know when that's out? Some time this year last I heard.
spidey opens may 4th. my birfday.
guess what i'll be doing that day. oh yeessss!!
i've evne taken a weeks holiday from work so that i can do the first daytime show.
Beakerzoid 23-04-2007, 19:37 I'll go and see it but I care more about the Joker themed Batman Begins sequel. Anyone know when that's out? Some time this year last I heard.
Batman sequel (aka The Dark Knight) is due for a Summer 2008 release. Not convinced about Heath Ledger as Joker, but I am willing to be surprised. Nolan hasn't let me down on any films so far.
BigDonWizzle 23-04-2007, 20:01 does anyone know wot certificate spiderman is
Beakerzoid 23-04-2007, 20:03 It is a 12A, as expected.
somebody please tell me the children ARE at school on May 4th!!!
SpiderPete 23-04-2007, 20:08 I cannot wait for this to come.
Beakerzoid 23-04-2007, 20:09 Bank Holiday weekend....a big film release.....I expect a few schools will utilise the 'Baker Day' excuse for a day of (for a 4 day holiday) as always seems to happen. Willman, Go to the 10am show matey....it won't be as busy (that's the one I'm going to).
Bank Holiday weekend....a big film release.....I expect a few schools will utilise the 'Baker Day' excuse for a day of (for a 4 day holiday) as always seems to happen. Willman, Go to the 10am show matey....it won't be as busy (that's the one I'm going to).
i'll see you there. i'll be the one in the spidey costume and birthday badge.
Bank Holiday weekend....a big film release.....I expect a few schools will utilise the 'Baker Day' excuse for a day of (for a 4 day holiday) as always seems to happen. Willman, Go to the 10am show matey....it won't be as busy (that's the one I'm going to).
It'll be a Bank Holiday on the Monday anyway.
And the Schools can't use Baker Days anyway, if it was up to the Government kids would do School 7 days a week! :loopy:
No wonder nobody other than the readers of a certain unnamed paper vote for them.
jennycakes 23-04-2007, 21:19 anyone know anwhere showing special previews???
Beakerzoid 23-04-2007, 21:45 anyone know anwhere showing special previews???
Nowhere. There isn't any. We were also forbidden, by Sony, from doing midnight shows on the Thursday night. (by 'we' I mean Cinema chains)
NEKRO138 24-04-2007, 08:28 Big spiderman fans should go to Manchester to watch it, it's getting an IMAX showing.
RedRocker 24-04-2007, 18:39 I just hope they get the basic story right of the origins of the black suit!!! from what I can gather the synobiotic entity just shows up in the film rather than spidey going to space!!! We will see. Even so I am sooooo excited that it's nearly time. We Visited New York a few weeks ago and they are having a Spiderman week there "The Hero returns to the City" where they are holding various events in celebration of New Yorks Favorite son. God I so Wish I lived there!!!!
mr chris 24-04-2007, 19:07 I just hope they get the basic story right of the origins of the black suit!!! from what I can gather the synobiotic entity just shows up in the film rather than spidey going to space!!! We will see. Even so I am sooooo excited that it's nearly time. We Visited New York a few weeks ago and they are having a Spiderman week there "The Hero returns to the City" where they are holding various events in celebration of New Yorks Favorite son. God I so Wish I lived there!!!!
I think the secret wars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Wars) might be a tad difficult to realise on the big screen...
Beakerzoid 24-04-2007, 23:37 I think the secret wars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Wars) might be a tad difficult to realise on the big screen...
You said it!
In addition I know some fans are moaning that Spidey's black suit looks different to the comics as "It should be jet black with the great big white spider - as can be viewed here http://www.majorspoilers.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/ASM539_cov_100.jpg )
Thing is, such fans should ask why it should look like that. The only influence for him having that design in the comic was that Spider-Woman had that design, and this possibly influenced the symbitoe to replicate itself as such. There is no reason, film wise, for him to wear that design.
KJ_VENOM 24-04-2007, 23:41 whos the guy in the black spiderman suit???? :hihi:
I only hope - and pray - that for the love of all that is holy...
VENOM gets a good outing, and I want to see a bad ass venom - not some crappy gets beat in 10mins Venom.
Can't wait.
I'm really looking forward to it. I just hope it doesn't disappoint.
sufc_tom 02-05-2007, 12:53 Is anyone looking forward to it? Is it out this friday and what times are there because I cannot seem to find it :(
Beakerzoid 02-05-2007, 13:15 This Friday. Bookings for all major cinemas have been up on the websites for 2 weeks now.
Cineworld's is http://www.cineworld.co.uk/reservation/ChoixResa.jgi?CINEMA=62&FILM=21177&VERSION=
Vue is http://www.myvue.com/cinemas/allfilms_alltimes.asp?SessionID=39351068D63842EB9D E1411A9D64554A&cn=1&ci=39&ln=1&sd=2007-05-04&sw=0&st=
Odeon is http://odeon.co.uk/fanatic/film_info/s125/Sheffield/m10429/SpiderMan_3/
May 4th - This Friday, as for times..
VUE Cinema - Meadowhall (http://www.myvue.com)
Odeon (http://www.odeon.co.uk)
Cineworld (http://www.cineworld.co.uk)
All above web sites have times for showings.
I'm going to the 11 AM showing at VUE on Friday hopefully.
sufc_tom 02-05-2007, 14:00 It does look very good indeed. I think the 20:00 viewing will be the prime choice :D If I had the day off I would have took your logic Rich as it won't be snided then.
Christ im so excited! I feel like a 5 year old, might see it 5 times again like i did the first one! haha.
MuteWitness 02-05-2007, 14:04 Is it sold out at any of the cineworld showings Beakerzoid?
Beakerzoid 02-05-2007, 14:10 Is it sold out at any of the cineworld showings Beakerzoid?
Not yet. The 8pm show is close to half full, but we have it on 6 screens (with showings almost every 40 mins), so plenty of chances to see it.
Whilst I'm on about film times, I am putting the times for Pirates in tomorrow for pre-books. We have 6 copies, and one is in our Digital screen (17). The times for the opening weekend are literally every 40 minutes from 10am onwards! It's gonna be busy!
Beakerzoid 02-05-2007, 14:10 I'll let you all know my opinion of it (as a huge comic book geek and life-long collector of the comics) tomorrow night when I get back from work.
My spidey sense was used to detect and merge two similar threads…
MuteWitness 02-05-2007, 14:23 Not yet. The 8pm show is close to half full, but we have it on 6 screens (with showings almost every 40 mins), so plenty of chances to see it.
Whilst I'm on about film times, I am putting the times for Pirates in tomorrow for pre-books. We have 6 copies, and one is in our Digital screen (17). The times for the opening weekend are literally every 40 minutes from 10am onwards! It's gonna be busy!
Have you seen that "reign over me" am seeing that tonight?
Not seen any of the Pirates films though so dont know what the fuss is about!
Beakerzoid 02-05-2007, 15:15 Not seen Reign Over Me, but want to. I despise Adam Sandler as a comic (he is as funny as a rectal probe), but think he has potential as an actor (such as in Punch Drunk Love). Reign Over Me is Sandler in actor mode again - and as expected the people expecting a 'Click' style comedy have been avoiding it. Let me know what you think of it.
Tanya T 1 03-05-2007, 10:04 Yaaaaaaaay looking forward to it as well.
Love Spiderman Hate Batman.
I find Batman extremely boring.
Yeah me too, I Think Spiderman is brilliant! cant wiat to see it!!
RedRocker 03-05-2007, 11:07 I am so close to peeing my pants I am that excited!!!! 11 hours and 52minutes to go!!!!
Excelsior!!!
Beakerzoid 03-05-2007, 14:30 Well, it was as I expected. An enjoyable popcorn movie, with some amazing action scenes....but......
They tried to cram too much into one film, with the triple threat (goblin, sandman, venom) meaning no time spent really developing the stories. Felt a bit episodic too, with no feel that the three stories (not including the 'Peter Parker' aspect of the film) actually fitted together.
Sandman could have made a great villain on his own, but suffers from no development (although thanks to a great performance doesn't suffer too much). Venom seems wasted in the film. I always said that the Brock character should be introduced in one film, and Venom in another. Here the character struggles for screen time. Not as much as Gwen Stacey who offers absolutely nothing to the film.
All in all, a fun film, but not on par with the previous 2 thanks to trying to do too much at once.
I havent watched it yet - but I have it on DVD so I will be watching it tonight - but I had a flick through it to see if it was any good... and from what I have seen so far - I am going to be dissapointed, I just know it.
1* Not enough Venom for my liking - its almost half the film gone before he turns up as the fully symbiote.
And the big 2* - I saw something that I dont like already - why in the blue hell, is HobGoblin helping Spiderman out against Sandman....
No, No, No NOOOO
A villain is a bloody villain - he does not help out the hero...
If this is right when I watch it - this will go down as worst film of my year for me.
I went to the 11 AM showing at VUE yesterday, meh, was decent enough but I did find it a bit boring, bit too much plot and not enough action IMO..
But I guess they had to explore the Venom lore a bit to appease the geeks.
Beakerzoid 05-05-2007, 20:32 I havent watched it yet - but I have it on DVD so I will be watching it tonight - but I had a flick through it to see if it was any good... and from what I have seen so far - I am going to be dissapointed, I just know it.
1* Not enough Venom for my liking - its almost half the film gone before he turns up as the fully symbiote.
And the big 2* - I saw something that I dont like already - why in the blue hell, is HobGoblin helping Spiderman out against Sandman....
No, No, No NOOOO
A villain is a bloody villain - he does not help out the hero...
If this is right when I watch it - this will go down as worst film of my year for me.
Venom only turns symbiote right at the end of the film....far past the half way mark.
That isn't hobgoblin - it is Harry Osbourne as the new Green Goblin. Hobgoblin is a completely different character - and in the comic Harry did switch from good to bad a couple of times.
Still..it is not a bad film - just a bad spider-man film. They shouldn't have used Venom at all (in my opinion he is a very 2 dimensional character, and not worthy of the priase that so many lavish on him). Sam Raimi has never liked the character, but was forced by Avi Arad to include him to please the fan-boys. You can tell Raimi's disdain for the character in how poorly he is handled on screen. Sandman, a great villain, needed more screen time.
Ah, I'm gonna stop - I've ranted about it enough to everyone at work yesterday.
But I guess they had to explore the Venom lore a bit to appease the geeks.
Whoa there fella :D
Venom makes Spiderman in comic book form - yes I am a geek, but Venom rocks the proverbial dogs baloneys!
OK - just finished watching it.. now the rant :D
First 3/4 of the film - not bad at all - until they introduced Venom which took over Eddie Brock.. I loved that bit because it showed the evil creature which is the real venom.
The last 1/4 of the film - utter tripe.
If you have read and enjoy the spiderman comic book series - AVOID this like the plague because this turns into a bastardised generic superhero film which I hate.
My rant points:
1* Venom is MILES bigger than Spiderman - so why the Venom costume is around the same shape as the Spiderman costume?
Thats crap for starters
2* Venom in comic book form DOES NOT die .... they kill him off in the end of this one.
3* Harry turns into the HobGoblin (or is referred to as the HobGoblin during the fight with Peter Parker when in the black suit) and turns GOOD to help Spidey out in the final fight against Sandman and Venom.
4* WHY for the love of god - only give Venom a small amount of screen time - he is one of the best characters in the series - surely, just surely, give him a more active part.
5* Why do they keep snuffing off the villains?
Green Goblin RIP
Doc Ock RIP
And now Venom and HobGoblin/Harry RIP
Crap - utter hollywood crap!
OK - just finished watching it.. now the rant :D
First 3/4 of the film - not bad at all - until they introduced Venom which took over Eddie Brock.. I loved that bit because it showed the evil creature which is the real venom.
The last 1/4 of the film - utter tripe.
If you have read and enjoy the spiderman comic book series - AVOID this like the plague because this turns into a bastardised generic superhero film which I hate.
My rant points:
1* Venom is MILES bigger than Spiderman - so why the Venom costume is around the same shape as the Spiderman costume?
Thats crap for starters
2* Venom in comic book form DOES NOT die .... they kill him off in the end of this one.
3* Harry turns into the HobGoblin (or is referred to as the HobGoblin during the fight with Peter Parker when in the black suit) and turns GOOD to help Spidey out in the final fight against Sandman and Venom.
4* WHY for the love of god - only give Venom a small amount of screen time - he is one of the best characters in the series - surely, just surely, give him a more active part.
5* Why do they keep snuffing off the villains?
Green Goblin RIP
Doc Ock RIP
And now Venom and HobGoblin/Harry RIP
Crap - utter hollywood crap!
Well, I enjoyed it. :D
Everyone I went with thought it was the best out of the three films :)
I went with an open minded view, expecting it to be average at best, I wasn't dissappointed.
Typical overrated Sony produced film that the Spidey zealots loved up.
Beakerzoid 06-05-2007, 14:29 Typical overrated Sony produced film that the Spidey zealots loved up.
It never ends does it? By Spidey zealots, I guess you mean comic book geeks - such as myself. Well, time to p*** on your bonfire - I thought the film was a huge disappointment, as did Angelus above (who seems to be a comic book fan too). In addition, my comic book geek buddies are also finding the film is somewhat pants.
mr chris 06-05-2007, 17:00 OK - just finished watching it.. now the rant :D
First 3/4 of the film - not bad at all - until they introduced Venom which took over Eddie Brock.. I loved that bit because it showed the evil creature which is the real venom.
The last 1/4 of the film - utter tripe.
If you have read and enjoy the spiderman comic book series - AVOID this like the plague because this turns into a bastardised generic superhero film which I hate.
My rant points:
1* Venom is MILES bigger than Spiderman - so why the Venom costume is around the same shape as the Spiderman costume?
Thats crap for starters
2* Venom in comic book form DOES NOT die .... they kill him off in the end of this one.
3* Harry turns into the HobGoblin (or is referred to as the HobGoblin during the fight with Peter Parker when in the black suit) and turns GOOD to help Spidey out in the final fight against Sandman and Venom.
4* WHY for the love of god - only give Venom a small amount of screen time - he is one of the best characters in the series - surely, just surely, give him a more active part.
5* Why do they keep snuffing off the villains?
Green Goblin RIP
Doc Ock RIP
And now Venom and HobGoblin/Harry RIP
Crap - utter hollywood crap!
I have to agree. There were simply too many villains, and the film lost focus and suffered for it. A film that just concentrated on spidey/venom would have been much better imho.
The sandman was a bit pointless and the plotline was completely unresolved! What gives?
It's a shame really, because I wanted to like as much as the first two. In the end it was just X3 all over again...
Plus what's with the emo fringe when Peter gets the black suit? YIKES! :loopy:
After that I went to see Sunshine, and felt as if my brain was being allowed to recover.
It never ends does it? By Spidey zealots, I guess you mean comic book geeks - such as myself. Well, time to p*** on your bonfire - I thought the film was a huge disappointment, as did Angelus above (who seems to be a comic book fan too). In addition, my comic book geek buddies are also finding the film is somewhat pants.
Us geeks must think more less of tripe films mate eh :D
Agreed with everything you said!
I went with an open minded view, expecting it to be average at best, I wasn't dissappointed.
Typical overrated Sony produced film that the Spidey zealots loved up.
First 3/4 of the film - not bad .... last quarter of the film killed off the series for us 'fanboys or geeklets'
Something interesting that Ads told me last night.
The doctor who takes the black symbiote gunk too - STILL has the bit of goo doesnt he - so in theory, Venom might not be dead after all.........
God I hope he isnt - I really hope so... give Venom a movie of his own against Spiderman and then see the man in red get his arse kicked.
I'm not a spidey zealot at all, in fact, I don't like superhero films, I was dragged along by someone who wanted to see it and actually liked it. I didn't like 1 or 2 :P
Beakerzoid 06-05-2007, 23:56 I'm not a spidey zealot at all, in fact, I don't like superhero films, I was dragged along by someone who wanted to see it and actually liked it. I didn't like 1 or 2 :P
That's generally what I've been finding from audience reactions as they leave this weekend (I've been mingling with the crowds and getting opinions). Those who are not big on comics and comic movies are enjoying it for the action spectacle it is (the action is, I agree, impressive). The comic book types know what potential each character has, and so are finding themselves shortchanged.
Something interesting that Ads told me last night.
The doctor who takes the black symbiote gunk too - STILL has the bit of goo doesnt he - so in theory, Venom might not be dead after all.........
God I hope he isnt - I really hope so... give Venom a movie of his own against Spiderman and then see the man in red get his arse kicked.
correct me if I'm wrong, but we don't actually see Venom die, do we? I know it looks like he was killed but there was no body left at the end. He could have escaped...
I think Sam Raimi was against introducing Venom in this film. I think it was only Avi Arad (who I hate) who insisted on his inclusion, as he's popular with the kids.
Sorry, if I re-iterate any points already mentioned here, but my main gripes include: -
too many villains
changing the back story to make Flint Marko the one who killed Uncle Ben.
the black suit should not come off (IIRC). It was permanantly on Peter, until the bell tower bit managed to get it off. I may be confusing my comic canon with the cartoon series, but I'm sure it never came off at the end of the day.
Venom's mouth was all wrong (small point but annoyed me).
NEKRO138 08-05-2007, 12:07 Well, I went to see it the other day. Wasn't too bad, but they tried to fit way too much into the film.
I'd cut every scene with Peter's Aunt out. Timewasting, boring rubbish. Less Sandman, more Venom please, and get rid of knob goblin.
And Venom looked rubbish. Symbiote spidey was good though. I thought he was better with a mean streak and the bit where he's dancing down the street and starts getting cocky was quite funny.
so in theory, Venom might not be dead after all.........
Which could explain the logic behind them saying there will be a 4th, 5th and so on :)
why does everyone have to compare it to the comic.
FFS it's a film. it doesn't have to be anything like the comic.
in fact - if the original spidey comics were released today half the 12 year olds would bin them.
it's not surprising that the majority of "complainants" are only referring to the comic comparison.
it's like saying Titanic was crap because they never stood on the bow of the ship.
i'm not a comic book geek although i do own some, i am however a superhero/big movie geek. it needed either some more see thru shots of MJ or10 minutes trimming from it.
otherwise i was quite happy with spending my birthday watching it.
NEKRO138 08-05-2007, 13:02 it's like saying Titanic was crap because they never stood on the bow of the ship.
That was one of the thousands of reasons that it was crap.
Negative's
As already pointed out, the final quarter is a right mess, and it all comes down to bad plotting, presumably done against the wishes of Raimi. It really does reek of studio intervention, presumably by someone like the guy in the Orange ad's!
Should have held off revealing Venom untill the very end (create him in final scene(s), ie don't do any confrontation with Spiderman) ready for part 4. As a result the entire last 1/4 falls apart. Topher Grace is wasted. Brock is wasted. Venom is wasted. Sandman is toned down and therefore not fully utilised. The Harry arc got ruined.
Should never have linked Sandman to Uncle Ben. Sandman should have been main villain, and I mean villian, not anti-hero as he ended up being here.
Completely dropped the ball with Harry. Two films building up his story with Pete only to seemingly chicken out. This led to the 'Bernard the Butler' scene, which was followed by an appalling about-turn. This turn makes no logical sense as Harry was pumped full of Goblin serum which is supposed to be fuelling his madness and anger.
Positive's
Bruce Campbell=God
Sandman's 'birth' and first steps are well realised.
Dunst is rapidly developing into the best actress (or actor) of her generation.
'Dark' Pete is fantastic!
Over to you Chris Nolan.
Beakerzoid 09-05-2007, 00:15 Ignoring the comic book aspects and comparisons, I felt the structure of the film was weak. The pacing was too episodic with no feeling that any events were actually taking place at the same time as each other. The symbiote seemed to plop to earth, travel home with Peter, then do bugger all for a few days whilst the film focussed solely on goblin, then sandman. Even the fight towards the end was badly thought through. Whenever Venom was attacking, Sandman just seemed to bugger off. Then when Sandman attacks, Venom is no-where to be seen. It was as though they filmed two totally different fights, then spliced them together.
The Goblin arc (one which overall I am happy with as it played out in a similar manner in the comics) could have been tighter. The first half was pointless (fight, then lose memory, only to get it back and be in the same position as the relationship was at the beginning of the film). One collegue said that they thought it was necessary to play this way so Peter would trust Harry again before he turned on him. I pointed out that Harry manipulated MJ to destroy Peter anyway, so this was pointless. The other plot element that bugs me is that the butler knew everything which was going on, but seemed to wait until Peter and Harry have almost killed each other to let slip - rather than perhpas telling Harry much earlier that he was trying to kill his best friend for no good reason?!?!?!!? Bit of a sadistic butler there!
The acting was a bit below standard for the series, and there was a total lack of chemistry between Dunst and Maguire (yet, even in the brief 5 minute cameo, Howard as Gwen seemed to fit perfectly with Maguire).
Raimi's disdain at being pressured into adding a character into the series that he never liked anyway shows as this is his laziest film since Evil Dead 3: Army of Darkness.
It isn't a bad film by a long shot, and it is still better than last years dreadful X-Men 3, but it is the low point in the franchise so far, and the cracks are showing now. Akin, in a way, to Batman Forever which was a fun romp, but was flashing a big warning sign. With rumours that Raimi is buggering off, and Maguire and Dunst may not return, the news that Sony are still planning more films (especially as Spidey 3 smashed box office records again) is a worry - after all, who can forget Batman & Robin?
Sandman's 'birth' and first steps are well realised.
I agree- it was perfect as far as I could have wanted that scene.
I love the way that he kept trying to put his weight on his hands and feet but they kept collapsing from under him as he couldn't maintain his own form.
Did anyone else think the actor looked a bit like Lee Marvin?
RedRocker 09-05-2007, 14:55 I saw Spidey at Leiceter Square (London)on sunday night (Why not!!) I have read spider-man since I was 6 and am a great Marvel fan I can see all the flaws in this film and I could go on talking about the many plot blemishes. But I am not. I went to see this film with a very open mind. I knew that spidey didnt go into space. I knew that gwen stacey came before MJ in the comics.
But after all this I Loved it. I was that 6 year old again. Yes maybe they put a bit too much into it but at least it wasnt as slow as Film 2. If you moan about what they did and didnt do go and read the comics. But as I sat there watching the film, I knew that maybe half the cinema was made up of people who hadnt read the comics but came away wanting to. It's films like this that keep comics alive.
Best scene for me had to be the Morcambe and Wise cooking part!!
carcrash 09-05-2007, 18:09 I went with an open minded view, expecting it to be average at best, I wasn't dissappointed.
Typical overrated Sony produced film that the Spidey zealots loved up.
Rich, you really should see somebody about your Sony obsession, anyway the film. Far too long, the storyline seemed confused, was there any need for the Saturday night fever **** take, the CGI didn't seem as good as the previous films with the exception of the sandman. It wasn't as bad as I had been led to believe but it is not as good as the first two.
BrainThrust 09-05-2007, 19:37 My opinions differ from others a little bit but i agree in principle.
Was it me or did 'evil' peter parker just come off as really cheesy? All that happened was he became sleazy and had an emo fringe.
his pitiful fight with Flint Marko (who i thought was well acted and really should have had his own film, just like Raimi wanted) where he thinks he's killed him wasn't enough. He needed to kill a proper innocent, he should've killed a non super criminal or something.
Venom wasn't given enough screentime. I would have loved for topher grace to have the last shots of a violent transformation into venom (akin to harry finding the goblin stuff at the end of the second film. He needed an entire film to get the losing stuggle of brock versus the symbiote across.
Beyond that, Gwen Stacy's involvement was stupid and should have just been a passing mention, just like Dr Conners, not the pseudo-affair it was.
I was really disappointed in it all really. I does stink of producer meddling. I'd like to see a film where Raimi was allowed to do what he wanted. A sad turn to what coud have been a great trilogy.
if they make any more, i hope they learn lessons from it. I don't want it to end on this note.
Wilf
RedRocker 11-05-2007, 12:03 Going on from the speculation that Dr Conners has kept some black goo and he himself will turn into another form of Venom will not happen. Reason being Dr Conners actually turns in to the Lizard!! If you notice he has one arm!! after an experiment to regenerate this arm by using lizard dna he transforms into a huge lizard man in a coat (might get cold) I hope this will be the next story line for spidey 4. Dr conners has been in this series of films now from the start so I hope they use him. I think the reason that all the villans are being killed off at the end of films comes down to american test screenings. Americans like to see closure and killing the bad guys does this for them. It's all down to what the public want.:D :D
RedRocker 11-05-2007, 12:05 I have just read my last post!!! My god WHAT A GEEK!!!! lol Is there a help line I can call for advice on my growing geekness??? Geekline???
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