Sorry just seen it on Sky Sports and I wanted to discuss :D

Full story here:
http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=462572&CPID=8&clid=1&lid=&title=Jose:+Another+rule+for+United&channel=&

BASICALLY, if you dont want to read the usual tripe he comes out with, he's moaning on about how its rigged for us to win the premiership this year - he's moaning about us not getting penalty's against us - which sorry - isnt down to us, its down to the officials in charge.

So- my conclussions... and I will choose my words nicely here.

Jose - stop being a moaning bitch...
You have been outclassed this season, your team hasnt done as well as it should, you've blown the biggest chance you will get to get back in the hunt for the title - you've got no-one to blame but yourselves.

AND .. thats why only ONE of your players has made team of the year this season - because your team is not as good as ours.. face it.

Discuss

At least Jose has the balls to speak his mind and use his democratic right. Southgate was a wimp in his post match interview and Warnock has calmed down a lot, although he still get's his digs in more craftily now.
Ferguson just buries his head in the sand and let's his sidekick do the talking. Remember last season? If you mentioned Van Nistelroy in front of Ferguson he walked out of the interview.
I don't think managers should be punished for criticising refs. I think football officials are the most inconsistant, controversial, problem in the game today. Compared with other sports they are still evolving slowly, which is not good enough.
If Tony Blair and Prince Charles can be criticised in public then why not football officials?

Well when it comes to an away team being awarded a penalty at Old Trafford then I'm afraid I totally agree with him.

Boro were denied a stone-waller and if it had been awarded then Man U would have lost that game.

And of course, Man U had been let off the hook against the Blades with another stone-waller. Again, unlikely though it might seem, the Blades may very well have got a point from that game.

Can you tell me that if Morgan had scythed down Ronaldo in the box - a la Heinze - the refereee wouldn't have awarded it? The whistle would have been blown before the player fell to the ground.

Mourinho has a valid point and I can understand him moaning about Man United getting 6 points from two games when in reality, they should have been lucky to get one.

Can I finally add that I would prefer to see Man U win the title. Their football is superior to anything the likes of Chelsea can muster, indeed any other team in the league.

I thought it was quite funny that he described the two penalty decisions as 'the end of democracy'.

I can't stand him. Always an excuse.

[QUOTE=Ousetunes;2170664]Again, unlikely though it might seem, the Blades may very well have got a point from that game.

:loopy:

Sorry just seen it on Sky Sports and I wanted to discuss :D

Full story here:
http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=462572&CPID=8&clid=1&lid=&title=Jose:+Another+rule+for+United&channel=&

BASICALLY, if you dont want to read the usual tripe he comes out with, he's moaning on about how its rigged for us to win the premiership this year - he's moaning about us not getting penalty's against us - which sorry - isnt down to us, its down to the officials in charge.

So- my conclussions... and I will choose my words nicely here.

Jose - stop being a moaning bitch...
You have been outclassed this season, your team hasnt done as well as it should, you've blown the biggest chance you will get to get back in the hunt for the title - you've got no-one to blame but yourselves.

AND .. thats why only ONE of your players has made team of the year this season - because your team is not as good as ours.. face it.

Discuss

Hows chelsea been outclassed this season? there 3 points behind MUFC and will paste MUFC all over their pitch when MUFC travel to CFC Wembly and champios league final.. man u will end up with a BIG pile of EGG on there faces hehe

[QUOTE=Ousetunes;2170664]Again, unlikely though it might seem, the Blades may very well have got a point from that game.

:loopy:


Why the loopy sign? Don't you agree that both decisions were incorrect?

Or is stringing a sentence together asking a little too much?

2 bald men fighting over a comb. Most football fans see MUFC and CFC as large PLCs more concerned with making money than playing football and couldn;'t give a monkeys which one wins the title..

If these decisions had been against chelsea you can be sure Man utd would be moaning just the same

2 bald men fighting over a comb. Most football fans see MUFC and CFC as large PLCs more concerned with making money than playing football and couldn;'t give a monkeys which one wins the title..

Chelsea? Make Money? Don't talk daft

Is Chelsea a PLC these days too? Not sure

Chelsea? Make Money? Don't talk daft

Is Chelsea a PLC these days too? Not sure

Chelsea are not a PLC, they are privatly owned. When Abramovich arrived he took Chelsea off the stock market.

Bad sport and an even worse loser, can't wait to see him booted from the Premiership, after next season hopefully :love:

Chelsea are not a PLC, they are privatly owned. When Abramovich arrived he took Chelsea off the stock market.

Thought so,

Anyways, as for Mourinho's rant, he is only saying what other people are thinking. Why should he be villified for that?

Bad sport and an even worse loser, can't wait to see him booted from the Premiership, after next season hopefully :love:

Ferguson and Wenger are hardley any better are they?

Thought so,

Anyways, as for Mourinho's rant, he is only saying what other people are thinking. Why should he be villified for that?
Because he's wrong perhaps?

United have already had two penalties that I recall awared against them at Old Trafford so far this season.

Ferguson and Wenger are hardley any better are they?

Well Ferguson seems to be chilling out a little also a remarkarble manager, like him or not, and Wenger is a country beyond of Jose, although sometimes he lets slip.

Because he's wrong perhaps?


Na, I don't think he is wrong in what he is saying.

Referee's as a whole don't have bottle to give penalties at OT, you can point out they have conceded 2 there. But I can point out that a ref 2 games on trot has bottled it at OT. And in the first case he bottled sending off Heinze too.

But its the same at Stamford Bridge and the Emirates and Anfield.

Na, I don't think he is wrong in what he is saying.

Referee's as a whole don't have bottle to give penalties at OT, you can point out they have conceded 2 there. But I can point out that a ref 2 games on trot has bottled it at OT. And in the first case he bottled sending off Heinze too.

But its the same at Stamford Bridge and the Emirates and Anfield.
In both of those cases commentators, particularly the one against Sheffield United, the commentators thought the tackles were ok until they saw TV replays (in Heinze's case only after seeing replays from multiple angles) with the benefit of hindsight filtered through your rather partisan views you can easily accuse the ref of 'bottling' it but as the replays showed Styles wasn't in a position to see properly if it was a penalty or not.

I would also point out that Styles was extremely lenient to Sheffield United letting a series of bad tackles go unpunished and then booking Smith nothing, he was a bad not a biased ref.

Was not stating the ref was biased, was saying he bottled the decision. Same as his linesman.

As for the Boro decision, my immediate thought was penalty, and anyone who thought it wasn't at the time of incident is kidding themselves.

You have been outclassed this season, your team hasnt done as well as it should

Your senseless anti-Chelsea diatribe continues....

Chelsea have won the Carling Cup, are in the semi-finals of the European Cup, in the FA Cup final and are just 3 points behind you in the league.

Hardly the end of the world.

However, they missed a great opportunity to catch you when they dropped points at Newcastle. I think this may cost them the league, though I suspect they may lift at least one more trophy.

Ousetunes: Just to explain :loopy: = the idea that Blades would have got any points at Old Trafford!

But I think you already knew that was what I meant.

Incidentally how many penalties have been awarded against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge this season?

Was not stating the ref was biased, was saying he bottled the decision. Same as his linesman.
How could he 'bottle the decision' when he couldn't see what happened in order to make a clear decision to award a penalty?

How could he 'bottle the decision' when he couldn't see what happened in order to make a clear decision to award a penalty?

That is why he has two assistants.

How could he 'bottle the decision' when he couldn't see what happened in order to make a clear decision to award a penalty?

Perhaps he didn't see it fully, but he still saw the incident. Also an assistant was in line to help.

Surely this thread should have been called "Angelus Moaning Again"...

Incidentally how many penalties have been awarded against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge this season?
The answer is none, whereas 3 have been awarded against United at Old Trafford not only that but Chelsea have also been awarded more penalties then United. Odd that Mourinho should repeatedly mention ‘the facts’ in his rant when 'the facts' completely demolish his argument.

The answer is none, whereas 3 have been awarded against United at Old Trafford not only that but Chelsea have also been awarded more penalties then United. Odd that Mourinho should repeatedly mention ‘the facts’ in his rant when 'the facts' completely demolish his argument.

Whilst the above facts maybe true. It obviously can't tell the full story.
What Mourinho saod had a lot of truth in it.

Just because chelsea have not conceded any penalties does not mean that he is wrong. Can you name any clear cut "penalties" that should have been given in at the bridge like that last two games at OT?

Whilst the above facts maybe true. It obviously can't tell the full story.
What Mourinho saod had a lot of truth in it.

Just because chelsea have not conceded any penalties does not mean that he is wrong.
Mourino was flat out wrong he claimed:

"It is not possible (for) penalties (to be awarded) against Manchester United, and it is not possible (to get) penalties in favour of Chelsea,"

When the fact is we've had 4 awarded against us so far this season and Chelsea have won 4.

Can you name any clear cut "penalties" that should have been given in at the bridge like that last two games at OT?
Terry's goal keeper impression springs to mind.

Mourino was flat out wrong he claimed:

"It is not possible (for) penalties (to be awarded) against Manchester United, and it is not possible (to get) penalties in favour of Chelsea,"

When the fact is we've had 4 awarded against us so far this season and Chelsea have won 4.


Terry's goal keeper impression springs to mind.

According to the Daily Mail or Express (not sure which) Man u have had twice as many penalties awarded against them than Chelsea.

According to the Daily Mail or Express (not sure which) Man u have had twice as many penalties awarded against them than Chelsea.
Indeed according to the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/chelsea/6581809.stm) penalty stats in the league so far this season are as follows:

MANCHESTER UNITED v CHELSEA
5-------Penalties won--------4
4-----Penalties conceded-----2

Mourino was flat out wrong he claimed:

"It is not possible (for) penalties (to be awarded) against Manchester United, and it is not possible (to get) penalties in favour of Chelsea,"

When the fact is we've had 4 awarded against us so far this season and Chelsea have won 4.

But we all know that Mourinho is refering to recent events.

Terry's goal keeper impression springs to mind.

Wasn't this last season? I may be mistaken though

But we all know that Mourinho is refering to recent events.
Last month isn't recent? Anyway Mourinho claimed there is a conspiracy to stop Chelsea winning the league as such all penalties awarded this season are clearly of relevance when assessing the validity of his claims.

Wasn't this last season? I may be mistaken though
It may have been, I don't pay as much attention to Chelsea as I do my own team.

Last month isn't recent? Anyway Mourinho claimed there is a conspiracy to stop Chelsea winning the league as such all penalties awarded this season are clearly of relevance when assessing the validity of his claims.


Last month is relatively recent, but like a 9th of a season of away.

Anyways this is going round in circles, you know exactly what he is getting at,

Last month is relatively recent, but like a 9th of a season of away.

Anyways this is going round in circles, you know exactly what he is getting at,
Of course I know what he's getting at and that's exactly what I rebutted.

But we all know that Mourinho is refering to recent events.

What like the one against Liverpool where he claimed it was so unfair on them that they never got the penalty for handball in the box which was actually about 3 yards outside the box ?

I agree that both penalties not given against Man U, were penalties, but you have to analyse Mourinho at the moment and say, he is totally cracking under all the pressure or, is totally losing his marbles.

What like the one against Liverpool where he claimed it was so unfair on them that they never got the penalty for handball in the box which was actually about 3 yards outside the box ?

I'm sure I read a quote after this where he retrected said comment, but not 100%

I agree that both penalties not given against Man U, were penalties, but you have to analyse Mourinho at the moment and say, he is totally cracking under all the pressure or, is totally losing his marbles.

Or is he being clever? Will a ref give him a penalty now because of all the fuss he has made when he didn't get one?

I'm sure I read a quote after this where he retrected said comment, but not 100%?

Well he would wouldn't he ?
When he had eventually been shown the incident (after his rant) he couldn,t really do anything other than retrect could he, as it was the most blatant mis-claim ever!



Or is he being clever? Will a ref give him a penalty now because of all the fuss he has made when he didn't get one?

How is making a fuss about not being awarded a penalty that was 3 yards outside the box being clever ?
Is a referee now going to think he should award Chelsea a penalty because Mourinho has made a totall and utter fool of himself ?

ow is making a fuss about not being awarded a penalty that was 3 yards outside the box being clever ?
Is a referee now going to think he should award Chelsea a penalty because Mourinho has made a totall and utter fool of himself ?

You was stating he was cracking under the pressure, when clearly he isn't

Doesn't anybody else get it? Whilst everybody is discusing Mourinho's latest comments, nobody is talking about the quadrouple. The press are talking about him and not the players, so he is taking the pressure off the players.

Angelus, I am afraid you have fallen into his trap. He has out smarted you.

You was stating he was cracking under the pressure, when clearly he isn't

And how exactly, is this 'clear' after his totally outrageous claims for a penalty that was clear to Stevie Wonder that it wasn,t, and then even having the gaul to say "it's so unfair"

Doesn't anybody else get it? Whilst everybody is discusing Mourinho's latest comments, nobody is talking about the quadrouple. The press are talking about him and not the players, so he is taking the pressure off the players.

Angelus, I am afraid you have fallen into his trap. He has out smarted you.

Wrong. By making these outrages claims he is in fact, 'drawing attention' to himself therefore his team, whereas if he just went about his business and said nothing, he wouldn't be 'drawing attention' at all.
Man U are on for the treble, so should Fergie try to claim a penalty for a handball that was 3 yards outside the box so to 'draw attention' to his team so that nobody talks about the treble ? :huh:

Wrong. By making these outrages claims he is in fact, 'drawing attention' to himself therefore his team, whereas if he just went about his business and said nothing, he wouldn't be 'drawing attention' at all.
Man U are on for the treble, so should Fergie try to claim a penalty for a handball that was 3 yards outside the box so to 'draw attention' to his team so that nobody talks about the treble ? :huh:

Well it is funny that for the last week or so all the papers and you haven't mentioned the team, or the title race. All I have heard is Mourinho this and Mourinho that.

This view is also accepted within the game as Kevin Nolan also agrees, he states:

Mourinho also does it to take a lot of the heat off his players. It would have suited him that going into the game on Tuesday most of the talk was about the enduring rivalry between the Chelsea boss and Benitez. Chelsea are chasing three trophies and every one of their remaining matches can be classed as must-win games.

During this vital period Mourinho is trying to place the issue of penalties on the news agenda. After each of Chelsea's last two games he has suggested his team should have been awarded a penalty - a tactic with several possible positive effects.

Firstly, there is now such a big fuss over Mourinho talking about penalties that it has become a story in itself, distracting attention away from his players.

Secondly, by keeping the issue in the news and hinting at an injustice to his side, Mourinho might contribute to his team winning a penalty in a crunch fixture.

Sometimes people might think he has got too far or that he is losing it - but I don't believe that for a second. Mourinho is a superb manager who knows how to work the media and is compulsive viewing.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/6595171.stm

And how exactly, is this 'clear' after his totally outrageous claims for a penalty that was clear to Stevie Wonder that it wasn,t, and then even having the gaul to say "it's so unfair"

Which he retracted when he found out it was not the case.

Well it is funny that for the last week or so all the papers and you haven't mentioned the team, or the title race. All I have heard is Mourinho this and Mourinho that.

For the last week or so all the papers have mentioned the teams and the title race, this is just another section of that discussion.
If by your claims, you are suggesting Mourinho is trying to gain an advantage by influencing any future referee into giving his team a penalty because of all the media coverage he has created then i would say that is very unsporting behaviour (as is diving in the box) and shows his obvious concerns/fears that his team can not compete on an even footing without the need to try to gain an advantage through the awarding of a penalty.

Hows chelsea been outclassed this season? there 3 points behind MUFC and will paste MUFC all over their pitch when MUFC travel to CFC Wembly and champios league final.. man u will end up with a BIG pile of EGG on there faces hehe

SO.. considering, they have basically just lost the opportunity to catch us up, it looks like chelsea are finished - we only have to win the next match and them not win arsenal which looks likely - and we are champions.

And considering the CL - if it came down to it - which I dont think it will, it it comes down to a Man Utd vs Chelsea final - do you really think, we would roll over and give the cup the team wants most to chelsea?
Because if you do - your a bigger fool than you let on.

The same goes for the cup final - when it comes down to it, when we are going for the treble again - we wont roll over and die.. something chelsea seem good at doing at the moment especially when it comes to when it counts.

Your senseless anti-Chelsea diatribe continues..

Chelsea have won the Carling Cup, are in the semi-finals of the European Cup, in the FA Cup final and are just 3 points behind you in the league.

Hardly the end of the world.

However, they missed a great opportunity to catch you when they dropped points at Newcastle. I think this may cost them the league, though I suspect they may lift at least one more trophy.

And so does your boring ANTI-Man Utd bias as well I have to say.
Dont you get bored of writing us off mr footballing wizard?

They have dropped points - AGAIN
Done, stick in a fork in them - its finished - because even you for someone who 'claims' to know so much about football - you dont really think that Arsenal will let them have all 3 points do you?

And so does your boring ANTI-Man Utd bias as well I have to say.

I'm not anti-Man Utd as such. I'd prefer them not to win the title, but I've enjoyed watching them this season.

Dont you get bored of writing us off mr footballing wizard?

I think you'll win the league now, maybe one of the cups too. Hardly writing them off.

It's not been a comfortable ride though, Chelsea have been on you all the way. The race has been closer than you would like to think.

I'm also surprised at how badly Arsenal and Liverpool have faired, though I didn't expect them to trouble the top two that much.

They have dropped points - AGAIN
Done, stick in a fork in them - its finished - because even you for someone who 'claims' to know so much about football - you dont really think that Arsenal will let them have all 3 points do you?

Dropped points - AGAIN? 5 points behind, 9 to play for. Looks unlikely, but you still have to play Chelsea.

I didn't think Man Utd would drop points against that huge footballing behemoth that is..Middlesborough. But there you go.

I was similarly surprised when Chelsea failed to capitalise against Newcastle, and dropped points at home to Bolton. The title is probably out of their reach now, but you never know..