What is happening with these? every day i go past I see people inside but no real progress on the place! At a guess I would think a bar or another fast food place will be going in although I heard the guy who last had the Holme lane deli say that he may expand and have seating.

Does any one have any info on what will become of the site?

Please not another bar, Hillsborough is over-run with pubs/bars as it is... what with the Shakey, the Blue Bowl, Freemason's Arms, the Malin.... Need I go on?

What I wouldn't mind is a newsagents in Hillsborough such as a GT News or something, cos since the one that used to be in the Precinct shut, and that one at Hillsborough corner went bust or something, there's nowhere to get your papers/magazines and stuff now without having to go up to Morrisons or in Kwik Save.

I do remember seeing something about discussion over yet more eating venues.

Comaplints had been made because there are aparently lots of places to eat and planning permission was requested for this area to be made into yet another cafe.

But otherwise I haven't a clue. I hope they do something soon because with Greenwoods closed down and that mess on the corner, it looks like Hillsborough has closed.

Moon

In my opinion Supertram has indirectly killed Hillsborough.... I mean think about it, all the roadworks, places you could and couldn't go changing from one day to the next, and all those shops that went bust up the top end of Middlewood Road as a result..... Sadly people stopped caring about Hillsborough during that period, cos they couldn't get anywhere, so they decided why bother trying?

I'm told that it's a(nother) bar

I believe it's going to be a winebar/eating establishment. The guy who owns the pizza place on Bradfield Road aquired the whole block.

Originally posted by keefdave
I believe it's going to be a winebar/eating establishment. The guy who owns the pizza place on Bradfield Road aquired the whole block.


Knock the whole lot down and build a modern mini Meadowhall.

And slab over the River Loxley for extra space.

Originally posted by keefdave
I believe it's going to be a winebar/eating establishment. The guy who owns the pizza place on Bradfield Road aquired the whole block.

Yes it's Pizza express. They had a plan up over a year ago for a resaurant and a kebab express next to it, I thought the plan went down the pan a long time ago, they have a place on Devonshire street and have/had live jazz music, it may be good if they have the same.

Whatever they're doing with the place, they seem to be taking their sweet time over it.

Is this Pizza Express on Devonshire street that they're doing up? Or another Pizza Express elsewhere?
I'm confused (it doesn't take much...)

Originally posted by MsMuffin

I'm confused (it doesn't take much...)

I'm confused too. Pizza Express? In Hillsborough? Are you sure?
Or do you mean Pizza Connection? Pizza express are a bit too big and posh for Hillsborough, surely?

Pizza Connection is the smaller place down Bradfield Road, they're like a pseudo-Pizza Connection. They also put a sign up in the empty shop next door to the mighty Chatanoga Pizzaria, in a vain attempt to steal a bit of custom.

I've heard that Weatherspoons are building a pub their. This has been rumoured for over a year now.

Please, no more pubs.

Originally posted by JamesRich
I've heard that Weatherspoons are building a pub their. This has been rumoured for over a year now.

Weatherspoons?! Eh?! There's already 2 of their places in town why the chuff do they want any more?! There's one at the old Glossop Road baths, and there's the one near Cole's in Barker's Pool.

Dont forget the Bankers Draft - thats a wetherspoons, and also the new(ish) wetherspoons up woodseats.

Thats four by my count.

Wetherspoons are quite good, they sell cheap booze!

I'm fairly sure it's owned by the pizza connection lot and it's going to be another fast food place. I haven't heard anything about it being another pub. The facelift they've given the building looks well (they've cleaned all the brickwork) and I think they've put a new roof on.
I can't really say that that area of hillsborough has ever looked nice. IMO it's better than it was a few years ago with the falling down charity shops in there.
I agree with the need for a newsagents, there is nowhere accessible to get a newspaper or a can of pop (essential on a morning after a heavy night!) without having to leave the house 15 minutes earlier than usual.

Originally posted by jackthedog
I'm confused too. Pizza Express? In Hillsborough? Are you sure?
Or do you mean Pizza Connection? Pizza express are a bit too big and posh for Hillsborough, surely?

Pizza Connection is the smaller place down Bradfield Road, they're like a pseudo-Pizza Connection. They also put a sign up in the empty shop next door to the mighty Chatanoga Pizzaria, in a vain attempt to steal a bit of custom.

I saw a small drawing on a A5 sheet of paper with the logo Kebab express, I thought this may have been a new venture for Pizza express, but then I heard that a pizza restaurant was going in so I assumed pizza express.

There's a sign up on the buildings today saying they're going to be some kind of Mediterranean 150-seater restaurant. Part of a small chain I think but not Pizza Express etc. Will read it in more depth tomorrow if anyone's interested.....

I'd heard the pizza connection had taken over the whole block too.

We live just off Middlewood Road/Holme Lane and it's a take-a-way nightmare. Now don't get me wrong, I'm no aged fuddy duddy but I really do think there are far too many pubs and take-a-ways in such a small area. We have to contened with the debris of a good Friday night out .......... litter, broken bottles and vomit, and belive me, it's not nice. If the bars and eateries were more responsible and cleaned up the mess of their customers or at least provided more bins for the rubbish (on the back streets please) I would be far happier.

My friend works at reeds rains , and she told me LAST YEAR that it was owned by the guy who owns pizza connection on bradfield road and that he's turning them into one big bar BUT she said it was going from oxfam round to the paper shop but the florist and paper shop are still there .I'm all for it , if it means more competition the other bars will have to push there prices down !!

:D

as for the number of wetherspoons, no-one mentioned the Lloyds in the old Water Works building next to the City Hall - that's one of theirs...

I went past earlier and am sure it said it was opening as a medeterain restraunt??

Yep, Mediterranean it will be.

For "Mediterranean" I read "pizza" and/or "kebab". Then again, it could be classy.....

What is happening to Hillsborough shopping center,the building thats boarded up at the corner is a disgrace the whole area seems to be going down the pan,the river is still full of rats and crap despite the efforts of volunteers to clean it up.I believe that there is somebody who is employed as a developement officer or suchlike to overseer this area,I could be wrong but this is what I have been told.It used to be a great place to shop and have a drink but now has become another blot on the landscape.

I'd talk to your local MP - she's nothing much to do these days...

Its about time she got off her butt and did a bit!

i no, its such a dump now!!

there doin ball up, but that wont help hillsboro!!

:blush:embarrassed to say that i have to pass through it everyday!!

MOD: Similar threads merged

I put the demise of Hillsborough corner down to the opening of places like The Deep End and Legends etc. A huge increase in litter and fighting and peeing in the streets seemed to occur around the time they opened. :suspect:

Having that "pig-sty" in the area doesn't improve things either.;)

Originally posted by Internetowl
I'd talk to your local MP - she's nothing much to do these days...

Its about time she got off her butt and did a bit!

What a strange post! Helen Jackson seems to be a busy lady! :loopy:

I don't really go into Hillsborough to shop, except for Morrisons and to go to Square mile. But when I do it just gets me down, it's so drab and dirty.

There is indeed a Development Officer for Hillsborough, and I think he's called something like Richie Collins. His picture regularly appears in the local free papers next to some article about how wonderful Hillsborough is, and Helen Jackson is often in there with him.

Of course, if you actually want to contact Mr Collins and make some suggestions about how to get the area moving (top of my list would be: sort out the tram gate one way or the other, either let everybody go through or nick those that do and enforce it) then his contact details seem to be shrouded in mystery... they never print a phone number or an e-mail address where you can get hold of him.

Originally posted by Internetowl
I'd talk to your local MP - she's nothing much to do these days...

Or he. The constituency boundary slices stright through the middle of Hillsborough. Eveything on the Arcade side of Middlewood Road is in Brightside, so try chatting to David.

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Originally posted by metalman
There is indeed a Development Officer for Hillsborough, and I think he's called something like Richie Collins ... they never print a phone number or an e-mail address where you can get hold of him.
As I'm effectively in charge of paying Richie I'll pass on these comments and also get his contact details for you.

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it is going to be haribios they have got a shop on middlewood rd they had that for months an months before it opened they have also got one next door to the hungry wolfe on infirmary rd they seem to buy all these derelict buildings take for ever to do them up , maybe they get grants .if i owned the hungrey wolfe though i would be well worried because haribios have gutted the building taken the roof off etc and it looks as though their building is pulling away the one at hillsborough corner was supposed to have opened at the end of september

Guys this is hillsborough, call me a cynic but we can't have decent bars or bars without fights, we can't have decent resurants. Its going to be a pork sandwich shop see.

thanx pete haribios r doing pork sarnies in the day pizzas burgers etc at night the only thing is they will have to make enough money at middlewood rd to renovate hillsborough corner and infirmary rd so all the people who thought it was going to be wetherspoons keep catching the bus to town

i live near hills and think its an absolute s***h***, the shops pubs people yuk yuk and that river with the trolleys mmm, i thought things were improving when legends appeared and the deepend, but no, they are c***

Originally posted by NATALIESHEFF
i live near hills and think its an absolute s***h***, the shops pubs people yuk yuk and that river with the trolleys mmm, i thought things were improving when legends appeared and the deepend, but no, they are c***

Ah but there's some nice pork sandwich shops down there Nat!!

bloody hate football too, blooming traffic + dont eat meat (if you werent being funny/sarcastic)

Originally posted by NATALIESHEFF
bloody hate football too, blooming traffic + dont eat meat (if you werent being funny/sarcastic)

Why who plays footie at Hillsborough? Is there something I don't know.

(And yes there is/was a hint of sarcasm!)

football should be banned caused too much trouble? wheres nice to go then? seeing as hills is poop? and town so far, when u only want a quick one?

I'm a regular voyeur of the forum but don't usually have anything worthwhile to contribute but I just couldn't let the comments about Ritchie Collins slide.

As a business owner in Hillsborough I know just how hard Ritchie has been working to improve the area and yes, that does include a lot of effort spent on trying to clarify the tram gate issue. However there's a lot of red tape there and he doesn't make the decisions.

He's managed to cut shoplifting (once a huge problem here), is working on reducing drink related antisocial behaviour, has got the weir cleared out (which is now unfortunately full of **** again), is actively encouraging more businesses to locate to Hillsborough to fill those empy premises which have been mentioned before through constant promotion of the area. The list goes on and on.

There are regular Hillsborough/Owlerton forums now which residents can attend and put points forward. I'll try to get the date of the next for those who are interested

Sorry, to go on but he really is doing a good job!

Lottiewat

Don't get me wrong... I don't doubt that he's working hard and I'm really glad he's doing it and I'm 100% behind him; apologies if my slightly cynical post gave any other impression. It's just that if people are to make suggestions about how the area could be improved, he would be a good person to contact with them and so you would think that he would have some readily accessible contact details, which doesn't seem to be the case.

Unfortunately I don't really have time to go to the Hillsborough/Owlerton area panel or forum or whatever it's called; I have certainly been in the past, especially in that era when the tram was being planned (or should that be 'planned'?) and it did rather seem then that whatever sensible objections people raised were just going to be tossed aside by the council, as they had already made their mind up about everything.

The same has happened about the tram gate: there was a massive consultation exercise, we all filled in lots of forms and expressed opinions, some firm was employed to come up with a plan which was completely unworkable, and then... nothing happened.

Ask any body in Hillsboro who Richie Collins is and I bet they couldn't tell you ,they wouldn't have a clue.If he is paid to do a job affecting not only shopkeepers but also the public who put the money in shopkeepers pockets he should be readibly accessable to every one.

I'm a shopkeeper in hillsborough and I haven't met the guy. I moved into and renovated run down premises in hillsborough, nobody's ever offered me a hand or even said hello.
So Richie if you readin this, stop by and have a chat, restore my faith in you.

To Nat
I also live in Hills and yes a lot of the pubs are lame. The deep end is OK on a few nights, but I generally either go into the 'Queens Gorund' for one pint or go on the tram to the 'Harley' at the university tram stop (90p jorney), double bacardi (well havanna club which is so much nicer) & coke £2.50. I don't know if you'd agree. I'm 23 and I find the Queens a little old for me but cosy enough for a pint or too. I find the harley can be really chilled and you can relax on a sofa.
When I'm on a session I always stop in cubana, that place rules.

Originally posted by LottieWat
He's managed to cut shoplifting (once a huge problem here

Sorry, but I'd have to say it is still quite a big problem here... I work in Hillsborough and regularly see and catch many shoplifters (Many of them in organised gangs) that seem to be running round doing as they please! We have the new radio system but that doesn't seem to be doing much except letting other shops know that they're coming that way...

pete - if i go to harley may as well go to town! i think i should open my own pub/bar. and speaking of shop lifting, i was in the cheap /nasty shop at the top of the travellators at morrisons and saw two girls shoplifting - i was shocked, should have said something but they would have prob battered me!
feel sorry for shopkeepers and lack of security

I have just been informed about this forum discussion and wanted to come back on a couple of points.

Firstly, I am employed on a part-time basis to carry out a number of initiatives to try to improve the shopping centre at Hillsborough - this is done on a very limited budget and, a lot of the time, it requires the support and participation of shopkeepers in the area. Whilst there are some shops in the area who have expressed an interest and are keen to get involved in a number of schemes to help improve things, there are still many that do not get involved and this may hinder what we do or the extent of the impact we can make. Nevertheless, there are a number of positive things that we are doing, including organising a second clean-up of the river at Hillsborough Corner (happening before Christmas), implementing a radio scheme to help shopkeepers tackle shoplifting, trying to raise the funding to install CCTV cameras, litter enforcement and awareness activity (and a survey has shown a 50% decrease in the amount of litter present on the streets in recent months), publicising and marketing the shops and activities in the area to try to encourage more shoppers/visitors into the area, and a number of other things such as organising events like the Hillsborough Christmas Festival - which is being held on 4th and 5th December in Hillsborough Park (small plug there!)


Secondly, yes I can often appear in the paper to promote positive things that are going on. Yes the area is not perfect, and yes the City Council is not perfect (and sometimes deservedly comes in for criticism), but when there is a propensity in the local press to frequently stress the negative it is often good to tell the other side of the story at times. I have included contact details in some of the items we have publicised but I take on board that they are not usually attached to stories in the press etc. I have posted them at the end of this for anybody to get in touch as long as it is to express constructive views, or give advice, support etc.

Thirdly, in relation to the building(s) on the Corner of Middlewood Road and Holme Lane, I have spoken to the developer in the past and I have made known to him that many people are unhappy with the condition that the buildings are in. He has always maintained that, despite some obvious setbacks/difficulties, his intention is to develop quality and attractive businesses at that location. He has planning permission to develop the site into what I believe is to be a Coffee Shop, Sandwich Bar and Restaurant but I have not spoken to him recently to get an update. Work appears to have stopped on site and I will endeavour to find out what is happening in this regard. Nevertheless, provided that there is no risk to others' health or property, or any illegal activity, the City Council cannot intervene in the development of private property.

Fourthly, plans to implement camera enforcement of the tram-gates at Hillsborough Corner were approved by the Council recently. Legislation had to first pass through Parliament to enable the City Council, as opposed to the Police, to act in this regard. This has now happened and cameras will be installed in the new year. However, I must stress that whilst I recognise the importance of traffic related issues in terms of the effect that they have on the shopping centre and local people, responsibility for all such issues rests with the Highways department of the CIty Council and all queries in this regard should be directed towards this team by contacting Sheffield City Council on the main switchboard number.

I appreciate that the area is far from perfect and that I and my colleagues cannot provide solutions to all problems within the area (nor can we always please everyone, as people have different opinions about what is good and bad about an area such as Hillsborough) but we are making some progress and hopefully making a difference. The aim of this project is to help to instil some confidence and attract more people and investment into the area as without the support of the private business community a shopping centre such as Hillsborough cannot improve. There is a long way to go but please don't feel that problems are being ignored - I and my colleagues are doing as much as we can within the limits in which we have to operate, with the resources available, and with the limited time that we have.

I do not have the space here to go into full details about everything that is going on and would encourage you to get in touch if you want any further information. If you cannot go hold of me in person please leave a message and I will get back to you.

Richie Collins
Hillsborough Town Centre Development Officer

Tel. 0114 231 4826
E-mail. Town.manager@virgin.net

went for a drink or five in hills monday night. legends was poop, masons kicked us out at half 10 and shakey was full of scary people. deep end we walked out of. hills needs a dec bar that doesnt smell like old men:gag:

Richie - thanks for the info, hope you'll report back on here soon. I think the trend has been upwards recently [see 'downhill' thread].

Inevitably there are bits of 'Hillsbro regeneration' stuff all over this forum, maybe it would help if it was all in one place so all the good ideas could filter through to help things move along? Or is there another website already somewhere else that we don't know about? Or maybe this thread is the main one?

A decent [i.e. safe, friendly, good quality] bar in the centre is a key issue for a lot of people. Without that, because there are no shops open there at night apart from the offy and the takeaways, there's no reason for most people to set foot in it. Hence no new customers, and few changes. For many people, rather than there being 'a lot of' bars in the centre, there are actually none that you'd want to go in. The Queens is quite comfy, I agree, but no proper beer or anything fancy.

I fine it very worrying if the tramgate cameras get the go ahead and us motorists get hit with yet another tax. I need to go through the tram gate to get home- onto rudyard road, if i don't i have to take the longest way round on the most congested route in sheffield-penistone road, to get home. I'm all for improved public transport routes but what about my rights as a resident to take the shortest route home? it's already a nightmare trying to get out of the end of the road because of selfish, ignorant drivers, if this scheme goes ahead it'll be even worse. I can't see the benefit either really. I mean you aren't supposed to travel throught the tramgate from middlewood road end through to hillsborough corner yet you have to pull out onto the tramstop from the end of rudyard to get out and likewise going in the opposite direction. Madness!:help:

Originally posted by jgharston
As I'm effectively in charge of paying Richie I'll pass on these comments and also get his contact details for you.

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Did a search on the councils web-site and found this:

Richie Collins
Hillsborough Town Centre Development Officer
Hillsborough Town Centre Development Office,
Hillsborough Tabernacle Church,
Proctor Place,
Sheffield,
S6 4HF
2314826 07771 834846
richard.collins@sheffield.gov.uk

Hope it helps

Just to continue on from the tram gates issue... can I just have a quick moan about the fact that - if coming from walkley or that side of the city to middlewood which I do often, the diversion signs only serve to take you onto the other tram lines (up then down the hill to the malin bridge route). Perhaps if a logical diversion was in place people would not be so quick to break the law!

Not sure what you mean as I thought the signposted route was to continue down the hill to the barracks, right, left and down onto Penistone Rd and then to Middlewood that way.

Not if you come down from Walkley earlier and find yourself heading along the tramlines, the sign then diverts you up and off to the left heading back up Walkley Lane... all you can then do is turn right again and head back down to Malin Bridge... as far as I can see it anyhow... any alternatives would be great!

I see what you mean, but would have thought you'd be directed down to Penistone Road long before getting anywhere near the barracks/Maplins etc

I really can't see how the tram gates will be an extra tax on motorists. Those that flout the regulations will be fined, that's all. So long as we are informed of the start of enforcement I can't see the problem.

Yes, I know the gates can be extremely inconvenient, especially for those on Rudyard Road but there is still an alternative route there, albeit longer. And incidentally, if taking the shortest route home was every resident's right, then imagine the traffic chaos as all inconvenient regulations were disregarded.

What I find even more inconvenient is having to wait in backed up traffic caused by motorists sailing through the tramgates and then blocking the Holme Lane/Bradfield Road junctions because they find they can't move anywhere. This causes so many problems in the morning and evening rush hours, not to mention lunchtimes.

I believe the enforcement times will be between 7am and 7pm so it's not unreasonably restrictive. At times with a lot less congestion, you can still sail through.

Incidentally, could the resident's of Rudyard Road petition the council for a box junction to help them exit the road? And would there be room for one? Also, if there are no signs diverting people to Middlewood Road, then tell the councill/Ritchie Collins and get them to work on it.

That's my two pennies worth, anyway. cheers.

That's the thing - either they need to start fining those who go through the gate, or relax the restriction. Either way though, the timing of the lights/their reaction to sensors HAS to be adjusted to reflect the traffic that ACTUALLY passes through it.
Many of the motorits go through the gate because Bradfield Rd is such a nightmare. In doing so, they make the lights favour them and hence exacerbate the situation on Bradfield Road.
The lights react to the traffic in the gate with priority, assuming it's a bus or a tram, not an endless snake of the same commuter cars day in, day out. If fining isn't introduced and equal priority is given to each route I'd bet they'd be a few days of hellish jams, but after that the short-cutters would realise that it's not any quicker!

I think you're right.

Well, fining should be introduced March/April as far as I can remember. Things may have changed though since I last heard anything about it. I reckon it will take a while to see what the overall effect is on traffic around the area.

Bradfield Road and roundabout, is often the worst part due to the problems mentioned but with fining traffic should be able to cross to Holme Lane and turn onto Langsett Road much more smoothly. I'm astounded how the ambulances and fire engines can get through sometimes but they do.

Originally posted by hotphil
I see what you mean, but would have thought you'd be directed down to Penistone Road long before getting anywhere near the barracks/Maplins etc

From Wadsley Lane,Catchbar Lane,the first place to get on to Penistone Rd is after the Barracks, Unless you turn right at Taplin Rd left onto Holme lane then straight through to Penistone Rd.

Oh, I was talking about from town. But surely if you come down Wadsley Lane and then down Leppings Lane you get to Penistone Road?
Either way, it'll be fun to see what happens if/when fining gets introduced.
It doesn't bother me all that much - I moved to the area knowing that the traffic was a feakin' nightmare and I walk to work, but it just seems an odd situation where traffic 'recommendations' are ignored so blatantly and by so many, do the detriment of a great many others.

The problem with the fact that the rules are/were never enforced means many people.. myself included.. assumed (no jokes please!) that it only applied to peak times (having been given this reassurance from many taxi drivers!) I don't go through the gates when it is busy but I also find the same issue the other way... head towards hillsborough corner from Middlewood direction and you are shunted off to the right.. to little back streets where they could really do without the traffic.. and all you end up doing is winding back round onto the malin bridge tracks and coming back to the traffic lights from a different direction.. for people who don't know the area the diversion signs are a logistical nightmare!

Originally posted by drp215
for people who don't know the area the diversion signs are a logistical nightmare!

Totally agree. I've posted about this before - coming along infirmary road towards hillsborough you get diverted away then the diversion signs VANISH, and you just can't figure out which way to go.:help:

I just avoid going through Hillsborough completely now, which is probably the council's intention for the bad signs in the first place. :loopy:

Originally posted by Ravenger
Totally agree. I've posted about this before - coming along infirmary road towards hillsborough you get diverted away then the diversion signs VANISH, and you just can't figure out which way to go.:help:
Well how terribly British of you.

Are you the sort of person who gets poor service in a restaurant, then complains the next day at work instead of just getting on top of the problem there and then ?

Instead of posting on here, write to the council, who knows, they might do something about it, or at least explain things.

After that, come back on here and tell us what happened.

Merry Christmas.

Originally posted by foo_fighter
Well how terribly British of you.

Are you the sort of person who gets poor service in a restaurant, then complains the next day at work instead of just getting on top of the problem there and then ?

Instead of posting on here, write to the council, who knows, they might do something about it, or at least explain things.

After that, come back on here and tell us what happened.

Merry Christmas.

Surely the whole point of SF is to be able to air views and grievances..maybe if we find enough people agree then writing to the council would be a good idea...
going to enjoy my very British Christmas now... haggis and stovies..mmmmm

Can't really see that a box junction at the end of rudyard road would make any diffrence although a good idea in theory. I find that most motorists (self excluded) take no notice of them anyway. The whole traffic set up in hillsborough is a logistical nightmare and makes no sense. When the enforcement cameras are in place, what happens when I come out of rudyard road and want to go into hillsborough centre towards middlewood road? Will they stop people turning right out of rudyard road altogether? What's the alternative route to get into hillsborough centre- turn left, go down onto penistone road, right down past morrisons to law bros esso, back up onto leppings lane and into hillsborough centre from the opposite direction?! Me thinks not. At a time when so much is written about the regeneration of sheffield and it's suburbs one would reach a logical conclusion in thinking that such traffic chaos and with the threat of being fined should one stray into the tram gates, does nothing to attract people to the area- residential or business. Time for a reality check and a bit of common sense from those responsible for dreaming up these fanciful and completely inappropriate solutions to our traffic nightmare!! And besides, how many more cameras do we need to watch our every move?Am I the only one who finds the enormous surge in CCTV slightly worrying? We'll be living in a police state before long.
(Rant over I have stepped off the soap box)

Big brother is most definately watching:suspect: :rant:

Originally posted by drp215
Surely the whole point of SF is to be able to air views and grievances..maybe if we find enough people agree then writing to the council would be a good idea...
going to enjoy my very British Christmas now... haggis and stovies..mmmmm
Of course the point of any forum is to air views and exchange information.

BUT

All some people do is carp on about "why doesn't somebody ELSE do something"

Try doing it yourself for once, otherwise it might not get done.

I've even found the contact details if you can be bothered to read one of my previous posts...

...over to you.

Missnorks
Welcome to the Club !
For those amongst us who were born in an age when England was comparitavely free it's been worrying us for ages--the increasing,mainly pointless supervision of us all .
How long before they have cameras in gardens,bedrooms and bathrooms ---on the grounds of Health and Safety or Law n' Order ? .After all,the Communist bloc had no compunction at all in bugging people's homes.They always had a perfectly good reason ,of course---as did the Nazis.
What is really surprising is how all the sheep in our society absolutely welcome every new rule with open arms !The Nazis and Communists, had they ever taken over Britain would have easily found plenty of "jobs worths" and the like to spy on their enemies.
Welcome to Brave New Britain. We're Getting There.......But Where ?

Amen to that! Give the guvenor a hurrumphh!!:clap: People blindly accept these new rules without thinking for a second about the possible implications. The council, or whoever is responsible for erecting all this surveillance do so without so much as a by your leave to us folk whom this directly affects. Wake up and smell the coffee!! They're leading us down the primrose path!!!

What ever will become of us:help:

I don't have the figures to hand, I must admit, but there must be thousands of motorists trying to negoiate Hillsborough Corner and surroundig area daily. The tram gates should ease the congestion by regulating the flow of traffic effectively and fairly. The people who we want to attract to the area should then find it easier and quicker to find their way, although I agree better signage would help also. Whether it will work as planned has yet to be seen.

Has anybody approached the council about the issue of Rudyard Road and alternatives that may be availanble? If not turning right is going to such a huge inconvenience then let them know - get neighbours together and send in a petition, make some noise or something.

And with regards box junctions, they are there to help congestion and resident's like you, missnorks, so why do you ignore them? Most drivers I see do actually obey them as I do - that's why it is so annoying when others don't.

Don't like CCTV? Then you're going to love the extra CCTV cameras that are planned for Hillsborough Corner, over and above the tram gate ones. A good measure in the fight agaist crime and designed to make Hillsborough safer for all or Big Brother? You decide, but I for one will welcome any measure that will catch little scroates up to no good and if they happen to catch me through the window picking my nose or scratching my arse then that's their loss.

Merry Christmas all!

I said in my previous post that most drivers EXCLUDING myself ignore them. Ergo I don't ignore them. I am a good girl and adhere to the rules of the road except when going through tram gates obviously! In principle whole idea of CCTV is generally speaking a good one, but how many more infringes on our privacy are we going to have to put up with in the name of increased personal and community safety? CCTV cameras provide grainy images of perpetrators and the evidence provided rarely leads to a conviction. They are reactive in the fight abainst crime and anti social behaviour. Me thinks we should be looking at the basics of society for a more preventative approach to tackling crime and antisocial behaviour. If parents of little scrotes took more responsibility for the upbringing of their children instead of trying to blame all and sundry for their little b******s bad behaviour then maybe the need for such over zealous surveillance of our population may be diminished.
Machines are no substitute for human presence. When was the last time you saw a CCTV camera chase down a shop lifter/mugger/chav, apprehend them and secure a conviction? Never I'll wager!

Originally posted by drp215
Surely the whole point of SF is to be able to air views and grievances..maybe if we find enough people agree then writing to the council would be a good idea...
going to enjoy my very British Christmas now... haggis and stovies..mmmmm

That's a good point really. One complaint on its own generally gets ignored. A whole load in one go is very difficult to ignore.

Besides, whinging is a long time British tradition. :rolleyes:

I promised to post the date of the next Hillsborough and Owlerton Forum in one of my earlier posts so here it is:

Hillsborough and Owlerton Forum H.O.N.F. invite you to attend their AGM on Wednesday 26th January 2005 at the H.A.S.A (Hillsborough Arena) at 7:30pm - Everyone welcome.

Agenda - Chairman and Treasurer Reports, Elections and Guest Speaker.

If you want to have a say on local Hillsborough/Owlerton issues then it would be worth turning up and getting involved.

Cheers,

Lottie

Had a flyer through my door the other day from local MP and apparently when the cameras go up, residents of rudyard and the roads off rudyard will be able to register their car registrations thus enabling them to turn right into rudyard when coming from town. Will be exempt from restrictions to enable ease if access home.

I'm glad to hear that missnorks. Was wondering how that affects any visitors with cars you and your neighbours may have though. Do they have to pre/post register their visits or something?

Dunno, suppose they'll have to abide by the ludicrous restrictions which will apparently only apply from 7am-7pm. Or maybe I will have to meet any visitors at a secret location and smuggle them in you never know, with all the restrictions planned for hillsborough, that may be the next restriction we're subject to down here!

Originally posted by missnorks
Dunno, suppose they'll have to abide by the ludicrous restrictions which will apparently only apply from 7am-7pm. Or maybe I will have to meet any visitors at a secret location and smuggle them in you never know, with all the restrictions planned for hillsborough, that may be the next restriction we're subject to down here!

How many visitors do you get in a day? mmmmmm........

Do you have any info on the flyer as to whether the tram gates will be in operaion a the weekends too? I've forgotten that bit. At least weekend visitors may be okay?

Don't think it will apply at weekends:hihi:

Depends what business is like MobileB!!!!

Originally posted by missnorks
what happens when I come out of rudyard road and want to go into hillsborough centre towards middlewood road? Will they stop people turning right out of rudyard road altogether? What's the alternative route to get into hillsborough centre- turn left, go down onto penistone road, right down past morrisons to law bros esso, back up onto leppings lane and into hillsborough centre from the opposite direction?! Me thinks not.


Why not walk? You're almost there anyway! Why would you want to take the car to Hillsborough from Rudyard Road??

If, for example I want to carry some very heavy furniture!:D Or travel to oughtibridge or visit the proud potato and arrive back home with a piping hot potato as opposed to a freezing cold one!!:rolleyes:

Originally posted by missnorks
If, for example I want to carry some very heavy furniture!:D Or travel to oughtibridge or visit the proud potato and arrive back home with a piping hot potato as opposed to a freezing cold one!!:rolleyes:

And if its busy, do your customers get a hot potato as well!! :)

LOL MobileB! They get one potato, two potato, three potato four..!! And they're all hot!:heyhey:

Originally posted by missnorks
LOL MobileB! They get one potato, two potato, three potato four..!! And they're all hot!:heyhey:

Now thats wishful thinking. Can I have the address!

Oi cheeky!!:hihi: