why cant we finish the iraqis once and for all

i no, im hoping my x who is out there.... will shoot there pompass asses :P

hehe

no offence intended!!! :thumbsup:

i hope he comes home safe with afew tags on his rifle

Originally posted by stwar
why cant we finish the iraqis once and for all

Yeah, pull out the troops and nuke the place eh? please...one very basic fact to remember - its THEIR country! and we are an invading force looking to milk their natural resources (Oil) and install a puppet (US friendly) government.

Moved thread here 'cos Iraq isn't in Sheffield. :D

Im from the each to their own philosophy, let each country get on with it no interferring in other countries business so pull all troops out and go home and leave em to sort it out therselves cos it just gets nasty when others interfere

Originally posted by stwar
i hope he comes home safe with afew tags on his rifle

o he will...he hates them!!

:lol:

wrong job really for him then :lol:

jus hope d basterds dont shoot him!

sorry..language!

Originally posted by stwar
why cant we finish the iraqis once and for all
Just out of interest, what do you mean by "finish the iraqis"?

I think it's just an irresponsible outburst meaning that we should polish them off. Wipe them out.

Stupid.

o he will...he hates them!!

hates iraqis in general or just the ones that are fighting off the invaders?

Originally posted by stwar
why cant we finish the iraqis once and for all

Yeah! What a good idea! All of them! Including women, children and completely innocent people! Then we can finish off North Korea and then Syria and then..... and then.....

a bit racist shall we kill them all babies included

Originally posted by stwar
why cant we finish the iraqis once and for all

Why can't the valiant and noble Iraqui's fighting for their freedom and self determination finish of the evil greedy invading western imperialists who are just out to rape them of their oil and install a puppet regieme?

Ahhhh don't you just love rational, reasoned debate!

thats ckever neil but politics will never allow that to happen

you all make me laugh saddam gave his permision for innocent people to be killed or gassed(kurds)the only people who are causing **** are the last remaining friends of saddam kill the lot of the so called soldiers they have to use hostages to get what they want havnt got the bottle to fight like men

that is not fair mate there is still inoccents

Originally posted by Illaria
Im from the each to their own philosophy, let each country get on with it no interferring in other countries business so pull all troops out and go home and leave em to sort it out therselves cos it just gets nasty when others interfere agree hundred percent.....let them run their own country..selling oil to the west if they put the price up embargo them or refuse to play politics,eventually it settles down.......its a war built on lies and capitulism but we the people will never benefit from it,the price of fuel goes up every week ,ergo,price of food goes up,which means ant profit shown must be taxed blair is raking tax in , how can we justify paying out 3 billion for the immigrants now in england,only here through a war but we have to pay for it and it wasnt our war...........if bush and co are going to sort out terrorism start at home and work outwards..and as an act of good faith bush should stop funding israel......

Originally posted by stwar
you all make me laugh saddam gave his permision for innocent people to be killed or gassed(kurds)the only people who are causing **** are the last remaining friends of saddam kill the lot of the so called soldiers they have to use hostages to get what they want havnt got the bottle to fight like men

'k

never mind then.

Originally posted by stwar
you all make me laugh saddam gave his permision for innocent people to be killed or gassed(kurds)

Using weapons supplied by whom and whil whom stood by and watched?

the only people who are causing **** are the last remaining friends of saddam kill the lot of the so called soldiers

Really - and quite where do you get this supply of deffinitive information - I'm sure military intelligence (sorry about the oxymoron) would love to know too!

they have to use hostages to get what they want havnt got the bottle to fight like men

You mean the freedom fighters and partisans who are so crushed by the invading military swamping the area that they have to use similar sorts of 'fifth column' type tactics used by every other set of freedom fighters from Robin Hood (a big fan of hostages) onwards...

military intelligence (sorry about the oxymoron)

pmsl :D :thumbsup:

are we all daftv(innocents\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\0

"fighting like men" as in engaging the occupying forces directly would not work due to weight of firepower. So they are wisely waging a guerilla war.
Which makes things very tricky for our troops and I don't envy them at all.

I'm not sure about not having bottle though - they are perfectly happy to blow themselves apart if it is required which I know I wouldn't....

stwar - why cant we finish the iraqis once and for all.

What Kind of Comment is that? Regardless of who there Leader was & what he did - That Country has so many Innocent people living there - who have had all their rights abused. Their homeland destroyed And lives ruined & you say wipe them out - What planet are you from? Would you say the same if your family members got raped, abused, tortured, & murdered day in day out - and there was nothing you could do. Would you like it if America tried to take over the UK and destroy your home & your family??? and people abroad said - 'Wipe out the English'? I DON'T THINK SO. Your ignorant comments are disgusting and perhaps sum up your mentality.

Come on though, if America took over England it would be mint.

Cars would be cooler, petrol would be cheaper, tellies would be bigger, and we wouldn't all be moaning about our weight, as our new rulers are much fatter per capita.

As long as they let us keep the pound and the royal family, I'd be well up for it.

Originally posted by steelcitybab
i no, im hoping my x who is out there.... will shoot there pompass asses :P

hehe

no offence intended!!! :thumbsup:

well, I hope he gets blown up by a suicide bomber.

hehe

no offence intended!!! :thumbsup:

I see your point Smedley but they would also bring down the welfare state, turn our cities into ghettos, infantalise and denegrate our cultural outlook...

Yawn...I lose myself rambling....

Sorry... What was I talking about?

Oh yes President Blair

M

Originally posted by smedley
Come on though, if America took over England it would be mint.

Cars would be cooler, petrol would be cheaper, tellies would be bigger, and we wouldn't all be moaning about our weight, as our new rulers are much fatter per capita.

As long as they let us keep the pound and the royal family, I'd be well up for it. but then you would be conscripted and sent to fight the iraquis

Originally posted by stwar
why cant we finish the Iraqis once and for all Well the Yanks are doing their best. Bombing the hospital in Fallujah to dust earns another 10/10....very cunning if the bombs don't kill the b*****s lack of treatment will!
I wonder how many of the patients were terrists?

Originally posted by smedley
Come on though, if America took over England it would be mint.

Cars would be cooler, petrol would be cheaper, tellies would be bigger, and we wouldn't all be moaning about our weight, as our new rulers are much fatter per capita.

As long as they let us keep the pound and the royal family, I'd be well up for it.

Buh buh buh but:
NTSC television?
President Bush?
DEA?

no thanks.

Of course, if UK had been part of the US (51st state) then Kerry would have won.

Originally posted by sham71
well, I hope he gets blown up by a suicide bomber.

hehe

no offence intended!!! :thumbsup:

non taken!!! :loopy:

Originally posted by stwar
havnt got the bottle to fight like men

Fighting like men, thats what its all about. I recall my fights on a saturday night where I have gone to my multimillion dollar jet and bombed the crap out of the other guy's house, killing off his family, neighbours and all the innocent bystanders who happened to be walking by.

Real mans fighting that is, isn't it?

Tbh honest if America invaded the UK, i'd wonder how many people would resist. Are they just supposed to say 'its a fair cop, you can run our country now'?

Okay, so i'm going out of context, but then isn't saying iraqis = evil and should be wiped out just as out of context?

This isn't a debate, it's a flame war spurred out of ignorance.

Wilf

Originally posted by BrainThrust


This isn't a debate, it's a flame war spurred out of ignorance.

Wilf

Hey...don't worry about it. Some of the posters here obviously derive their insight from the headlines in the Sun.

OTOH doesn't Murdoch back Bush and Blair ?

OK...worry about it :(

Originally posted by BrainThrust

Tbh honest if America invaded the UK, i'd wonder how many people would resist. Are they just supposed to say 'its a fair cop, you can run our country now'?

Wilf

It wouldn't pose much of a problem. We have far too many 'enlightened' people on here who would know exactly how to deal with such a situation. Isn't that obvious when you read this and similar threads?

Originally posted by smedley
Come on though, if America took over England it would be mint.

Cars would be cooler, petrol would be cheaper, tellies would be bigger, and we wouldn't all be moaning about our weight, as our new rulers are much fatter per capita.

As long as they let us keep the pound and the royal family, I'd be well up for it.

Not true! America makes the worst cars in the western world

Originally posted by Greybeard
Some of the posters here obviously derive their insight from the headlines in the Sun.


Well Said! Ignorance seems to be wide spread here in this thread about the reality of what is going on in the REAL world - Its worrying when young children are seen as terrorists.

American WORLD Domination is whats happening, but some people can't see it - How did somebody as thick as BUSH get re-elected? The worlds in a mess!! Innocents are Killed and the evil killers are worshipped!

Hey Someone,

The problem we have though is that being in the 'reality based community' is no longer sufficient to fully comprehend the world according to Bush's political advisors.

Apparently, as they are now the world's dominant force they chose to shape their own reality regardless of what is actually happening in 'The Real' (although I suppose if you listen to the likes of Lacan this is what we all do anyway as a way of coping with the dis-ease of life anyway!)

And I suppose with full control of the media (just look at the control of news from Fallujah, the first objective was to take the hospital so that loss of civilian life could not be confirmed independently) reality can be manipulated to whatever shape best suits those in control.

Scary eh?

M

Hey M

Excellent points. Scary & Depressing!

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There's a very interesting article over at www.independent.co.uk which shows the similarity between the US tactics used in Falluja now and the tactics used by Syria against the city of Hama in 1982. Not that any of the ignorant fools that posted on here will pay much attention of course.

"The US condemned Syria for the assault that is believed to have cost 10,000 civilian lives. The Syrian army destroyed the historic centre of Hama, and it rounded up Muslim rebels for imprisonment or execution. Syria's actions against Hama came to form part of the American case that Syria was a terrorist state. Partly because of Hama, Syria is on a list of countries in the Middle East whose regimes the US wants to change."

Yet more terrorism hypocrisy from the USA.

Also from the bbc news site...

"But 30,000 to 50,000 are estimated to remain there, and their escape routes are closed.

Our correspondent says that despite efforts by US forces to select targets carefully, their use of heavy artillery and tanks is bound to lead to civilian casualties."

It's reported that there could be upto 3000 insurgents occupying Faluja, so take that from the possible 30k to 50k estimated people there, and you are left with a hell of a lot of civilian deaths. This is terrorism.

I'm sure that 500lb bombs are being aimed with precision in built up areas

Originally posted by mojoworking
Not true! America makes the worst cars in the western world

Yeah, but they look cool, and have big engines, so that'd be great. Plus McDonalds is cheaper over there, and they have Letterman, and more beaches than us.

Maybe they could lasso us and drag us into a warmer climate.

Originally posted by Someone
How did somebody as thick as BUSH get re-elected?

You need to ask this question? After all, weren't the same people responsible for voting Ronald Reagan as President?

glad i got a response,we have liberated the iraqis,but they still havent got freedom because the gangster filth is now taking over (saddam has gone were do we get our money from now)i no lets kidnapp inocent people and chop there heads off,AND PUT IT ON DVD i bet you all wish you lived there,plug into the real life and stop listing to all the do gooders of this world,god bless the troops and their familys

whens the lefty love in going to end:loopy:

Originally posted by ianmitchell
Yeah! What a good idea! All of them! Including women, children and completely innocent people! Then we can finish off North Korea and then Syria and then..... and then.....

Innocent hey, yes really thats why i gave some children out there a bottle of water and i got a brick in my face, and the time a woman threw petrol or as they call it banzene in my face for no apparent reason

Originally posted by Mike24
Innocent hey, yes really thats why i gave some children out there a bottle of water and i got a brick in my face, and the time a woman threw petrol or as they call it banzene in my face for no apparent reason

Could that be because they didn't want to be invaded in the first place and the sight of foreign troops occupying their country makes them very angry?

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
Could that be because they didn't want to be invaded in the first place and the sight of foreign troops occupying their country makes them very angry?

Well, I seem to remember them welcoming the troops in the beginning. Or was I watching an episode of the Simpsons?

Incidentally, American cars cannot be worse than Rovers and Fiats surely?

Originally posted by Killian
Well, I seem to remember them welcoming the troops in the beginning. Or was I watching an episode of the Simpsons?


If you were watching television, then what you saw is not what happened. That is guaranteed.

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
If you were watching television, then what you saw is not what happened. That is guaranteed.

<bitter sarcasm>
:o surely not? Our good, pure and moral government use propaganda and spin - why such a thing would never happen!
</bitter sarcasm>

Originally posted by evildrneil
<bitter sarcasm>
:o surely not? Our good, pure and moral government use propaganda and spin - why such a thing would never happen!
</bitter sarcasm>

It goes deeper than that. Television provides a focus in a way other media do not. The global nature of the news networks and the fact they follow each other's stories mean that the same events end up on all networks and the events that they don't cover simply never happen. Also TV gives disproportionate cover to news events that make good television - a fundamental level of unseen editorialisation which means that some stories that are more telegenic will dominate and push the less telegenic stories off the bottom of the running order.

And then you have the propaganda machine, but that is to be expected.

Thats simply the nature of the medium. The media exists not to inform and educate but to get people to watch and sensationalism works better for that than reasonable and impartial coverage :(

The same thing happens to a lesser degree in papers (particulaly the tabloids) et al - where it tends to be more T and A than explosions and child murderers that predominate.

Just one more reason why you have to be VERY carefull about what you believe...

Just remember that it's Saddam Hussein who needs to be shot. The people on his side have just been brain washed by him & if he didn't exist they wouldn't be brain washed...

Don't forget the Iraqi men, women & children who are not at fault here for their leaders choices & decisions he's made for there country.

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
If you were watching television, then what you saw is not what happened. That is guaranteed.


Oh, I see, so that bit when they pulled the Saddam statue down and hit it with their shoes did not actually happen? Hell, I must be really gullable to believe all that.

Originally posted by evildrneil
Thats simply the nature of the medium. The media exists not to inform and educate but to get people to watch and sensationalism works better for that than reasonable and impartial coverage :(

The same thing happens to a lesser degree in papers (particulaly the tabloids) et al - where it tends to be more T and A than explosions and child murderers that predominate.

Just one more reason why you have to be VERY carefull about what you believe...

I'm pleased you explained all this - this accounts for the fact that we have yet to see the Iraq people throwing bricks and suchlike at our troops in the manner that Mike24 talks about. If only we could see that side of it, eh - but then wouldn't that be too impartial for your tase?

Originally posted by Killian
Oh, I see, so that bit when they pulled the Saddam statue down and hit it with their shoes did not actually happen? Hell, I must be really gullable to believe all that.

Nor, apparently, did we see Saddam getting a visit from Nitty Nora the nit nurse!

Originally posted by stwar
you all make me laugh saddam gave his permision for innocent people to be killed or gassed(kurds)the only people who are causing **** are the last remaining friends of saddam kill the lot of the so called soldiers they have to use hostages to get what they want havnt got the bottle to fight like men



the uk and the us were both perfectly willing to treat saddam as an ally AFTER the gassing of kurds, in fact both support turkey's annihilation of kurds (because the kurds in turkey are 'terrorists' and those in iraq, conveniently, were not)

some of those 'causing ****' are shia muslims, not friends of saddam at all, but rather those that are ideologically to him

as someone else as already mentioned, the worlds only superpower and its allies fighting against a country that has been the victim of economic sanctions for over 10 years hardly conjures up the image of 'fighting like men' (i assume that you mean a fair fight by this)

you should try getting your information from somewhere other than the tv and tabloids and then you may see a bigger, or different, picture

Originally posted by Killian
Oh, I see, so that bit when they pulled the Saddam statue down and hit it with their shoes did not actually happen? Hell, I must be really gullable to believe all that.

Thats not what you said:


Well, I seem to remember them welcoming the troops in the beginning. Or was I watching an episode of the Simpsons?


is what you said.

We saw *some* iraqis welcoming *some* troops. How many iraqis are there in total? how many troops are there in total?

What we saw on TV is not "what happened", it is a *tiny* part of "what happened", filmed by "embedded" camera crews and then editorialised and cut up for consumption in the domestic news market. What happened is always different to what you and I see on TV - it's inescapable.

Originally posted by sparklesista
Just remember that it's Saddam Hussein who needs to be shot. The people on his side have just been brain washed by him & if he didn't exist they wouldn't be brain washed...

Don't forget the Iraqi men, women & children who are not at fault here for their leaders choices & decisions he's made for there country.


brain washed??!?!?!

So the people of Iraq have no free will, just as we don't???

I'm sure we'd be a bit ****** off if someone invaded us destroying our property...

well lets just give them it back,and let saddam rule again lets just see how many iraqis are slaughterd then.RIP MRS HUSSAN

is that the only other alternative that you can see?

Originally posted by Killian
Oh, I see, so that bit when they pulled the Saddam statue down and hit it with their shoes did not actually happen? Hell, I must be really gullable to believe all that.

Yeah, you must be. Other footage shown later on non-news programmes was from several metres further away than the original film we all saw. It shows a very small group of people, many of whom were the foreign media, in the crowd. So was there mass support for this act? Maybe not.

Originally posted by stwar
well lets just give them it back,and let saddam rule again lets just see how many iraqis are slaughterd then.RIP MRS HUSSAN
Iraq was a perfectly safe place for Mrs Hassan under Sadaam. It was also safer for the 1million Christians and all the women that didn't want to wear a headscarf. I was also safe to buy and sell alcohol, play music, go to the cinema. It's the invasion that has made these things unsafe.
The occupying troops and Mrs Hassan's murderers are opposite sides of the same coin.

Originally posted by noseyrosie
Yeah, you must be. Other footage shown later on non-news programmes was from several metres further away than the original film we all saw. It shows a very small group of people, many of whom were the foreign media, in the crowd. So was there mass support for this act? Maybe not.

Ah the joys of context - or lack thereof!

ask the famillys of the 5000 kirds that were killed the english dont do it to the welch

Originally posted by stwar
ask the famillys of the 5000 kirds that were killed the english dont do it to the welch

They don't need to - in the 1920s the English were quite happily using chemical weapons agains the Kurds in Iraq with Winston Churchill "strongly" backing the use of "poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes."

I would strongly suggest reading these - take them with a pinch of salt but they may provoke some thought processes...

http://hnn.us/articles/862.html

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/helms.html

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5257.htm

http://www.sundayherald.com/25366

http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/documents/biowpns.htm