View Full Version : Cheap treats? Boxer Pup? collar or harness? training?


zoboz111
12-04-2007, 19:18
My favorite dog's are boxers i've wanted one since i was 14 years but never been allowed one by mom dad and my bloke :rolleyes: but after a lot of thought and a lot of saving :hihi: i have bought one :thumbsup: a little boy Romeo as he love's to be loved and cuddled :love: any way... i know there very boistrous all though he's very sleepy at the minute i'm ready for the change :D i'd just like some tips for training i've been told use a stern voice when naughty (but he's so cute) when walking him i'm stopping him at road telling him sit then stay, then i give him a treat then say go when ready to cross, using a routine for toilet training feed him let him out praise him when done then in again. Some one recomend a tire on back for boredom chewing. Am i doing ok :confused: what else can i do to help training and whats a healthy, not to expensive treat ?
Also whats best for boxers a collar or a harness and material or leather ?
All so very interested in any dog walks?

TattyBear
12-04-2007, 19:24
Boxers are beautiful dogs! Congrats. Everyone on here will give you advice and most advice will be different, expect that and you will be fine. Only thing I will say Is do whatever works for you. xxxxxxxxx

zoboz111
12-04-2007, 19:32
Thank you x
Also...whats best training your self or going to training schools ?

Lotti
12-04-2007, 21:24
Thank you x
Also...whats best training your self or going to training schools ?

Both :) You need to keep the training up at home but finding a good training class for socialisation and a bit of guidance to make sure you're doing it right is essential.

Lotti
12-04-2007, 21:29
I'd use a collar just because harnesses allow more body strength to pull as the dog gets bigger. Make sure you introduce the collar and lead slowly and reward him for not pulling on it before you start going for walks.

You'll need to wait til he's fully vaccinated (10 days after his second jab) before you can take him out and then it should only be short walks (the rule of thumb is 5 mins per month of age) until his joints are well developped otherwise they can go lame due to over exercise.

Ignore any accidents in the house, don't draw attention to them and yes, reward him for going outside. Always go with him though, don't stand at the door and call him back after doing his business to reward him, otherwise he'll associate the house with rewards and get confused. Stand with him, if he doesn't toilet after 3 minutes max, (you'll probably get fed up before that) go back inside and take him out again later.

Have you considered crate training him? It will prove very helpful.

Liver snaps are great but possibly too full of protein for your little bundle of energy so I'm going to look out the recipe for apple crisps. You can make these yourself so know exactly what's going into them and they're dirt cheap to make.

Strix
13-04-2007, 08:25
It's very easy to overdo the quantity of treats when they are young, so we used pieces of the dried food from that days ration to make sure we kept the measures right. If we used something like Frolics (which were rebranded a couple of years ago from treats to a whole food) we reduced the amount of dried food. Many dog snacks have a very low recommended daily amount

Cheese, liver or sausage (sometimes coated in garlic) is the preferred treat for the showring

Whatever you're giving as a treat, remember that a dog is happy with the mere taste, and doesn't have to have a whole mouthful to experience 'reward'. If you're giving cheese for instance, a 5mm cube is sufficient :thumbsup:

I'd suggest a leather collar - a wide one. I think boxers are one of the breeds who's necks can easily be damaged by a strong dog applying too much pressure. A harness on a dog that size is likely to result in you being dragged down the street ;)

for walking you may need the assistance of a Halti head collar or similar, or at the very least a half check collar (usually fabric). Whatever you do don't buy a full choke chain - I've had a show one lock up on Brude in the choke position. The half check can be set so it doesn't actually choke at all, but still provides an audio signal to the dog as the chain rasps through its loops

If you are planning to have your dog in a collar permanently, and to use another method of attaching the lead (halti or half check for instance) then you may want to attach tags to a rolled leather collar instead of having a wider one - this causes less damage to the area of coat in contact with the collar

It's a minefield isn't it? :D

zoboz111
13-04-2007, 08:49
You'll need to wait til he's fully vaccinated (10 days after his second jab) before you can take him out and then it should only be short walks (the rule of thumb is 5 mins per month of age) until his joints are well developped otherwise they can go lame due to over exercise.


Have you considered crate training him? It will prove very helpful.

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Thank you lotti for the great advice :thumbsup:

Well he's fully vaccinated and He's 13 wks old, so walk him for 15 minutes a day or could i take him out 15 minutes in the morning and 15 mins at night?

Crate training i've been looking at posts related to crate training, is a crate a dog cage ? is it cruel and will i have to shut him in it?

Lotti
13-04-2007, 09:02
Hi Zoboz,

15 minutes twice a day will be fine as long as you are careful not to let him run around like a loon for the entire 15 minutes! Boxers are full of energy and at that age can't concentrate too well so you'll need to let him run off steam!

Crates aren't cruel at all - they seem that way to us, because of our primate heritage, but to dogs it's their little safe space where they can go if they need time to themselves, or are tired etc.
They are fantastic in aiding toilet training (the theory being a dog will not wet in his bed, so will try not to wet his crate as long as you are sensible and take him out regularly enough) and are ideal to stop them hurting themselves through getting into mischief while you're out, or damaging your property.

You can keep the crate up whilever you're around and leave the door open so he can go in and out as he pleases, then at bedtime or if you go out of you want to sweep up (puppies love brooms!) then you can shut the door to keep him contained.

If you want to know if it's cruel or not, take this example, Takara always had a crate as a pup, and then when we got Eddy we decided we didn't have space to keep the crate up and we thought she'd not be too happy about being shut in if he wasn't so we put the crate away. Takara kept running upto the folded up crate and pawing at it and crying!

She's not used one for a while now and she's coming upto two years old but we've decided she'd be happier, and better behaved, with one so have bought another one - mainly for shows and holidays but obviously if I expect her to go in it and be good when on holiday she'll have to use it in the house too.

Strix is a strong believer in crate training and has done it a lot better than I have so she'll be able to help you more.

Remember though - never use the crate as punishment it is the dog's safe space.

zoboz111
13-04-2007, 09:25
It's very easy to overdo the quantity of treats when they are young, so we used pieces of the dried food from that days ration to make sure we kept the measures right. If we used something like Frolics (which were rebranded a couple of years ago from treats to a whole food) we reduced the amount of dried food. Many dog snacks have a very low recommended daily amount

Cheese, liver or sausage (sometimes coated in garlic) is the preferred treat for the showring

Whatever you're giving as a treat, remember that a dog is happy with the mere taste, and doesn't have to have a whole mouthful to experience 'reward'. If you're giving cheese for instance, a 5mm cube is sufficient :thumbsup:

I'd suggest a leather collar - a wide one. I think boxers are one of the breeds who's necks can easily be damaged by a strong dog applying too much pressure. A harness on a dog that size is likely to result in you being dragged down the street ;)

for walking you may need the assistance of a Halti head collar or similar, or at the very least a half check collar (usually fabric). Whatever you do don't buy a full choke chain - I've had a show one lock up on Brude in the choke position. The half check can be set so it doesn't actually choke at all, but still provides an audio signal to the dog as the chain rasps through its loops

If you are planning to have your dog in a collar permanently, and to use another method of attaching the lead (halti or half check for instance) then you may want to attach tags to a rolled leather collar instead of having a wider one - this causes less damage to the area of coat in contact with the collar

It's a minefield isn't it? :D

WOW :thumbsup: I'm off shopping today so I'm making notes :thumbsup:

Yes i was planing on a house collar and a different collar/harness for out and about.

Lotti
13-04-2007, 09:33
Zoboz - Strix's advice is great but personally I'd try and teach your pup very steadily how to walk politely with you on a normal collar.

Haltis aren't good for young growing muzzles ;) and in my experience can rub the hair off the muzzle too!

If you enroll at a good class they'll show you how to teach your dog the 'close' or 'heel' position and how to train him to walk politely beside you. (This doesn't always work and you may, in the future, need a special collar to help with his pulling)

Jan39
13-04-2007, 09:54
My favorite dog's are boxers i've wanted one since i was 14 years but never been allowed one by mom dad and my bloke :rolleyes: but after a lot of thought and a lot of saving :hihi: i have bought one :thumbsup: a little boy Romeo as he love's to be loved and cuddled :love: any way... i know there very boistrous all though he's very sleepy at the minute i'm ready for the change :D i'd just like some tips for training i've been told use a stern voice when naughty (but he's so cute) when walking him i'm stopping him at road telling him sit then stay, then i give him a treat then say go when ready to cross, using a routine for toilet training feed him let him out praise him when done then in again. Some one recomend a tire on back for boredom chewing. Am i doing ok :confused: what else can i do to help training and whats a healthy, not to expensive treat ?
Also whats best for boxers a collar or a harness and material or leather ?
All so very interested in any dog walks?

Hi
the "Halti" head type are excellent to train dogs not to pull,and are more kinder than the usual training collar.

Strix
13-04-2007, 21:55
Well we did only use a halti for a short while ;)

We had to discontinue its use when Brude injured his back. The turning action it provoked could have re-injured him

It did also leave a mark in his coat, so it isn't that suitable for a show dog

We have a whole collection of dog walking equipment - probably only matched by Lotti's ;)

We've managed to pretty much train Brude to walk off lead, and the half check can still be rattled to reinforce a command in a similar fashion to the plastic bottle with pebbles that's all the rage for training :rolleyes:

Lotti
13-04-2007, 22:10
the plastic bottle with pebbles that's all the rage for training :rolleyes:

This is sarcasm zoboz! :D

The plastic bottle works for some and is a good form of sound aversion for certain dogs but if you choose to use sound aversion make sure you choose a method that doesn't frighten your dog, only distracts him ;)

Sound aversion techniques include:
The rattling of a check chain
A 'jingler' which can be attached to a lead and jingles to distract them when they pull on the lead - i haven't used these but apparently they're very good
The bottle with pebbles
A can of compressed air
Training discs

None of these are designed to frighten the dog and if they do, should be discontinued immediately.

Strix
13-04-2007, 22:21
Oh sorry - I thought my sarcasm was well famed on SF ;) .....

.... especially where training of one particular scent hound is concerned :suspect:

How many dogs do you know who refuse dog treats when they know they are going to be naughty - because 'good dogs get treats' :roll:

IceniBulldog
14-04-2007, 08:11
Tire's
=A tire on back for boredom Hung from a tree or post is great fun for the dog and almost free


whats a healthy, not to expensive treat ?
=Small Chunks of carrot are cheap and very good for health . Also Try small amounts of Cheese

Also whats best for boxers a collar or a harness and material or leather ?

=Thats really personal choice>? I'd recommend
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