On this forum there are postings such as worst estate worst this and that ect.On the worst estate thread you get people saying get rid of Ranmoor or Ecclesall because they (supposedly the people who live there)are all snooty.What narrowmindnes.People choose to live where they want to ,if you want to live near a chippy or a boozer because you like to visit these places then you buy a property in the vicinity,your choice.On the other hand you can study at school,achieve a good standard of education that enables you to get a well paid job and you can choose to buy a house where the surroundings are more to you and your familys likings.In this day and age if you are not bothered about achieving
a good education,not bothered about attending school then the only alternative is low pay or the dole and a council house.

Having lived up Ranmoor I decided it wasn't the place for me.. In one of my posts yes, I said it was dull etc.. thats just merely my opinion of the 'area' and not the 'people' who choose to live there..

I suggested that parts of S11 could do with being razed but that was nothing to do with the people more the lacklustre architecture.

.People choose to live where they want to ,if you want to live near a chippy or a boozer because you like to visit these places then you buy a property in the vicinity,your choice.On the other hand you can study at school,achieve a good standard of education that enables you to get a well paid job and you can choose to buy a house where the surroundings are more to you and your familys likings.In this day and age if you are not bothered about achieving
a good education,not bothered about attending school then the only alternative is low pay or the dole and a council house.

Well that comment to me shows that you are indeed a snob so maybe you deserve all you get.

Always look on the bright side of life :D

*Whistles*

Other things just make you swear and curse eh :heyhey:

Dont Grumble People, Give a whistle :bigsmile:

Why am I a snob,what the hell does the term'snob' mean in this day and age get a life. I passed the old 11+ exam in the fifties and went to grammar school,my downfall was that I lived on a council estate and because I went to a grammar school I was classed as a snob.At the end of the day I was shunned by my old junior school mates who went on to a life on the dole and dead end jobs because they and their parents could not be bothered.And where are they now ,living on council estates most of them calling people who have made the effort to move on 'snobs'

So what your saying then is that those who live on council estates are either on the dole or is lousy jobs??
What a lousy comment to make not all people who are living on council estates are like that and you simply show your ignorance of the subject.
I myself and many of my friends are in decent jobs and dont feel like we are low lives like you make us out to be.
With a attitude like yours it is indeed lucky for you that you dont live on a council estate as you probably woul'd not last 5 minutes.

Why, what would happen,would my windows be put through,would my car be torched,would graffiti be sprayed on the walls,would the council move a problem family in next door to me.Is that why I wouldn't last 5 minutes.

To be honest it's your snobish attitude which sets you apart and to be honest I dont like snobs and neither do most people either.
I woul'd not want you living on my council estate as you woul'd lower the tone.
We only like genuine people not snobs,sorry if this comes across as a bit harsh but this is sheffield not kensington.

Why do you keep on about 'snobs',where do you live .Lowedges,Parsons Cross,Foxhill,Shirecliffe,Wincobank.

The scholarships provided by the Sheffield Education Commitee in those yrs was a marvellous opportunity to breakaway from your background if you wanted too.
My education opened my eyes to another way of living. Children came from different backgrounds from me, almost spoke another language from me and it made me aware that there was choices in life.
I too suffered from the tormenters, even covered up my school badge on my blazer. Straw hat and convent uniform did not fit in on Arbouthorne Rd. Attracted the perves too.
Don't think this has made me a snob just given me a different slant on life
Hazel

Originally posted by royjames
To be honest it's your snobish attitude which sets you apart and to be honest I dont like snobs and neither do most people either.
I woul'd not want you living on my council estate as you woul'd lower the tone.
We only like genuine people not snobs,sorry if this comes across as a bit harsh but this is sheffield not kensington.

Both as bad as each other.

The snobs for hating the council estate residents and vice-verser.

So much hate.....

Roy James,Why are council estates that good to live on when the council cannot get rid of them fast enough,rows of boarded up houses on Deerlands AV,Shirecliffe Rd,Foxhill .The old estates were a cash cow for the council,hundreds of council workers employed to do second rate repairs,dozens of yellow vans parked up outside cafes every morning at 8'oclock, the lads could not start work till they had had a breakfast.All paid for out of taxes of the workers of this city whether they lived in snobby Ranmoor or benefit claiments on the estates.

Originally posted by royjames
To be honest it's your snobish attitude which sets you apart and to be honest I dont like snobs and neither do most people either.
.

I don't like snobs either Roy! I look down on them! Scum!!:suspect:

Originally posted by maxwell
Roy James,Why are council estates that good to live on when the council cannot get rid of them fast enough,rows of boarded up houses on Deerlands AV,Shirecliffe Rd,Foxhill .The old estates were a cash cow for the council,hundreds of council workers employed to do second rate repairs,dozens of yellow vans parked up outside cafes every morning at 8'oclock, the lads could not start work till they had had a breakfast.All paid for out of taxes of the workers of this city whether they lived in snobby Ranmoor or benefit claiments on the estates.

not related to william hauge are you by any chance:D :D :D

you might have voted for him because you cannot even spell his name correctly

Originally posted by maxwell
you might have voted for him because you cannot even spell his name correctly

what a lame reply
but coming from a person like yourself im not suprised:loopy: :loopy: :loopy:

What has William Hague got to do with this thread,is this the best reply you can come up with.You must have supped many bottles of his dads pop in the past it must have addled your brain.

Originally posted by maxwell
What has William Hague got to do with this thread,is this the best reply you can come up with.You must have supped many bottles of his dads pop in the past it must have addled your brain.

i dont drink pop

People who live in the good areas of the city are often on the receiving end of an "inverted snobbery" from those living in the rougher areas. The hypocrisy of this quite astounds me. At the end of the day though there will always be those with a chip on their shoulder and a negative attitude to those who have made a success of their lives, probably the result of envy. Conversely there will always be those who look down on those who haven't made a success of their life (in materialistic terms). This is just part of the natural, tribal human nature - people usually identify with those similar to themselves and often dislike people who are from different groups.

Originally posted by maxwell
Why am I a snob,what the hell does the term'snob' mean in this day and age get a life. I passed the old 11+ exam in the fifties and went to grammar school,my downfall was that I lived on a council estate and because I went to a grammar school I was classed as a snob.At the end of the day I was shunned by my old junior school mates who went on to a life on the dole and dead end jobs because they and their parents could not be bothered.And where are they now ,living on council estates most of them calling people who have made the effort to move on 'snobs'
Sounds like you are 'Working class made good' Maxwell. And they are allways the worst snobs, allways the first to say 'I did it, so can you' etc etc etc......

Originally posted by maxwell
Why am I a snob,what the hell does the term'snob' mean in this day and age get a life. I passed the old 11+ exam in the fifties and went to grammar school,my downfall was that I lived on a council estate and because I went to a grammar school I was classed as a snob.At the end of the day I was shunned by my old junior school mates who went on to a life on the dole and dead end jobs because they and their parents could not be bothered.And where are they now ,living on council estates most of them calling people who have made the effort to move on 'snobs'

"snob" = a person who pays too much repect to social position or wealth or who despises persons who are of lower social position.
at one time of day we used to have what they called the class system,1st,2nd and third,i thought we'd lost the class issue years ago but no,its still around.
you've only got to watch peoples reaction to the unfortunate few who are waiting outside the dole office,they walk past with their noses in the air (snob)
its like the person driving a merc and they pull alaong side a robin reliant , the faces they pull,they can't wait to get away,this type of thing is happening everyday,no one has any repect for thier fellow countrymen/women anymore. :rant:

Originally posted by fridgeman
"snob" = a person who pays too much repect to social position or wealth or who despises persons who are of lower social position.
at one time of day we used to have what they called the class system,1st,2nd and third,i thought we'd lost the class issue years ago but no,its still around.
you've only got to watch peoples reaction to the unfortunate few who are waiting outside the dole office,they walk past with their noses in the air (snob)
its like the person driving a merc and they pull alaong side a robin reliant , the faces they pull,they can't wait to get away,this type of thing is happening everyday,no one has any repect for thier fellow countrymen/women anymore. :rant:

Another apt term is "two bob millionaire" I think maxwell might just fit into that category ;)

Originally posted by fridgeman
you've only got to watch peoples reaction to the unfortunate few who are waiting outside the dole office,they walk past with their noses in the air (snob)
its like the person driving a merc and they pull alaong side a robin reliant , the faces they pull,they can't wait to get away,this type of thing is happening everyday,no one has any repect for thier fellow countrymen/women anymore. :rant:

And how often do you see all this happening? I think you've just invented the entire scenario, especially the bit about the Merc and the Reliant Robin. It's cobblers, isn't it?

Originally posted by draggletail
Sounds like you are 'Working class made good' Maxwell. And they are allways the worst snobs, allways the first to say 'I did it, so can you' etc etc etc......
I'm struggling to see why maxwell is on the receiving end of all this abuse!

Surely even if he did say that, isn't that something to be pleased for him and to take as inspiration?

This is something I hate about Sheffield, and largely the UK in general - people who don't like to see others doing well.

It's your life, just get on with it and don't worry about what others are doing. If you want to stay on the dole (to paraphrase) don't complain when you get Mercedes dust in your face!

Originally posted by Tony
This is something I hate about Sheffield, and largely the UK in general - people who don't like to see others doing well.

I quite agree. There will always be a subset of the population (usually the most vocal subset) who despise anyone not like themselves. When I was in a very low paid job (barely more than benefits) and lived in rented accomodation I was thought of as a snob by some because I lived in an SYHA house rather than a council house! I dread to think what those people would think of me now that I own my own house... I must be a snob, obviously.

It is interesting to note the reversal by some people. When maxwell originally said

"if you are not bothered about achieving a good education,not bothered about attending school then the only alternative is low pay or the dole and a council house",

it was immediately reversed by one or two people as "everyone in a council house can't be bothered to get a job". A snob is someone who looks down on other people. This can include those with less 'looking down' on the behaviour on those with more, as well as the other way round. I can safely say that miniminch is exhibiting snobbish behaviour simply by saying "I don't like snobs either Roy! I look down on them! Scum!!". Unbelievable.

Originally posted by mojoworking
And how often do you see all this happening? I think you've just invented the entire scenario, especially the bit about the Merc and the Reliant Robin. It's cobblers, isn't it?

i don't see this everyday as i spend a good nine hours cooped up at work, but don't you see, it even happens in some workplaces,there's a certain friend of mine who works for the people who manufacture jelly babies and they see this sort of thing within the management structure they usually quote
"life at work is like a tree full of monkeys,all on different limbs at difeerent levels,some monkeys are climbing up, some down,the monkeys on top look down and see atree full of smiling faces,the monkeys on the bottom look up and see nothing but assholes"

:suspect: cobblers , i do not repair shoes ora clumsy workman

I live in Longley (S5) and despite the fact there are one or two small problems its nice.

And one of the things I like about it is noone there thinks that they are above anyone else. If you want to call the fact that I don't like snobs "inverted snobbery" then I'm very happy with that description.

Originally posted by maxwell
In this day and age if you are not bothered about achieving
a good education,not bothered about attending school then the only alternative is low pay or the dole and a council house.

I didn't bother with school, or college or University and I have a good job, some people have natural talent :0)

Originally posted by miniminch
I don't like snobs either Roy! I look down on them! Scum!!:suspect:

i'm a snob




well i'm the only one on our street with car tax.........

god i hate these peasants

I don't know what to say or feel.

I have little respect for people who make no effort in their lives. It doesn't have to be an effort in education (as it doesn't suit everyone) and effort doesn't always translate in having a well paid job, so it's not about money. It's just about how you live.

But it does sound like a group of people being jealous basically of anyone who has done better than them. Be that by working harder, being luckier, or having natural talent.

Does owning a Merc make someone a snob, or owning a big house in a nice area? No.

Does living in a council house or being temporarily unmployed make you some sort of social scum? No.

Does a lack of understanding and tolerance make you someone i'd like to know. No.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by kirky
[B]i'm a snob




well i'm the only one on our street with car tax.........

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
brill kirky brill can't stop laughing

yodemeister :confused: whats the one or two small problems in longley as thats where i live or is it parson cross or southey green,sort of live on the border of all three so whichever it is it still dont bother me :)

yodemeister :confused: whats the one or two small problems in longley as thats where i live or is it parson cross or southey green,sort of live on the border of all three so whichever it is it still dont bother me :) [/B][/QUOTE]

I live right in the middle of Longley. Only problem is a few roudy neighbours and pesky kids - nothing serious. 99% of people are fine though.

I've lived in more"fasionable" areas of Sheffield and they seem to be full of people who complain about the slightest noise or if you put your bin out a day early.

I also get the impression that the people who think they have done "well" like to think the people they consiser "scum" are very jealous of them, when in fact the "scum" probably don't care less.

Well, after reading some of the comment on snobs and working class types, all I can say is that I respect people who respect People. Hard working folk who give meaning to been alive get my vote. We should all pay our way in life. I'm working class.

This lot are music snobs

http://www.snobs.org/english.htm ;)

Living on a council estate is no longer a relaxing experience for me
because, since most of my neighbours bought their house they have become your average '2 bob millionaire'

What were very nice neighbours have changed into bought council house snobs, who now think that they are above the tenants who still rent.I think they should remember this

"You bought your house at a discount probably because you couldn't afford any thing better, If you want to pretend you are rather better than I, then please take a look at what you bought,
Its still a council house, in the middle of an estate, worth rather less than private built houses.If you really wan't to impress me,go buy a house thats worth looking at, and buy it at full market value.Then I will admire your achievement and tke my hat off to you

Originally posted by jan2002
"You bought your house at a discount probably because you couldn't afford any thing better, If you want to pretend you are rather better than I, then please take a look at what you bought,
Its still a council house, in the middle of an estate, worth rather less than private built houses.

I bought an ex-council house in Longley, built in the late 1930s because, in general, council houses built in that era are of a rather higher build quality than most of the new, thrown-up-in-5-minutes private estates these days. The fact that I had to get a 1 kilowatt hammer drill to get through the interior walls is testament to that, when the brand new rented house on the ex-Kelvin site I lived in only needed a 12v cordless.

I agree with Trekker. I respect people who respect other people, and only expect respect from the same. If somebody has a chip on their shoulder so big that something as petty as which housing estate someone lives on is reason enough to despise them, then I have no respect for that person.

Snob:
1. One who tends to patronize, rebuff, or ignore people regarded as social inferiors and imitate, admire, or seek association with people regarded as social superiors.

2. One who affects an offensive air of self-satisfied superiority in matters of taste or intellect.

The class system (which never went away in this country IMO) just enforces the first definition, particularly when someone perceives themselves to have crossed over a class boundary.

Nowadays, class is a mental state, nothing else - but it's been added to with the new 'social underclass' group, and re-enforced with the modern 'I'm alright Jack' attitude that many would call/blame on Thatcherism.

Personally, it's not the class, the amount of money, the car or anything else a person owns that I use to judge them - it's their attitude, both social and personal.

I'm afraid that many people from the social underclass and the middle class have one major thing in common, and that is a lack of social conscience.

Put it in context of clothing - those wearing burberry are a damn sight closer to those wearing Barbour jackets than both would ever dare admit ;)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by spiffymonkey
[B]I bought an ex-council house in Longley, built in the late 1930s because, in general, council houses built in that era are of a rather higher build quality than most of the new, thrown-up-in-5-minutes private estates these days. The fact that I had to get a 1 kilowatt hammer drill to get through the interior walls is testament to that, when the brand new rented house on the ex-Kelvin site I lived in only needed a 12v cordless.

yes,they did know how to build houses in them days,unfortunatly house around longley,southey,parson x all were built using something called black mortar,thats what i was told when i wanted to buy a house on moonshine lane and advised to have the brick ties tested every so often,hence thats why you and me both use a 1kw powered drill,still did'nt put me off purchasing the little house :D

There is nothing wrong with council houses.

Your average 3 bedroom council house is bigger than a new 3 bedroom "starter home", my council flat in Woodhouse was about twice the size of a flat my mate has just bought for £150K in town (and has done nothing but complain about the state of it), had two more bedrooms, and only cost me £200 a month to rent.

When someone buys a council house you do tend to get the "well, it's still a council house", this is just to hide the envy that you will own your house in less than 10 years, while the other person will spend their whole life paying the mortgage.

what is it that they do or say that indicates that they think they are now 'above' you?

Originally posted by jan2002
Living on a council estate is no longer a relaxing experience for me
because, since most of my neighbours bought their house they have become your average '2 bob millionaire'

What were very nice neighbours have changed into bought council house snobs, who now think that they are above the tenants who still rent.I think they should remember this

"You bought your house at a discount probably because you couldn't afford any thing better, If you want to pretend you are rather better than I, then please take a look at what you bought,
Its still a council house, in the middle of an estate, worth rather less than private built houses.If you really wan't to impress me,go buy a house thats worth looking at, and buy it at full market value.Then I will admire your achievement and tke my hat off to you

Originally posted by Cyclone
what is it that they do or say that indicates that they think they are now 'above' you?

They buy their net curtains and horse brasses from Cole Brothers.

Originally posted by nick2
They buy their net curtains and horse brasses from Cole Brothers.

you say that as a joke (I hope), but some people would actually mean it.

Originally posted by Cyclone
you say that as a joke (I hope), but some people would actually mean it.

No, people do do that, they shop at Cole Brothers and think their it. The fact that Cole Brothers is not exactly expensive doesn't seem to matter.

Anyway, they call it "voile" in CBs, not "nets".

or maybe they shop at cole brothers because they like the items, but then get labeled as snops because they prefer not to shop in the market anymore?

I personally prefer to buy more expensive things that seem to be of better quality, rather than the cheapest i can find.

Originally posted by Cyclone
or maybe they shop at cole brothers because they like the items, but then get labeled as snops because they prefer not to shop in the market anymore?


I've nothing against anyone shopping anywhere, it's when people say "Oh it's from Cole Brothers" as if that gives it some extra value that "Oh, it's from Dixons" wouldn't.

It only annoys me because I know someone who does it all the time and it winds me up.

Originally posted by max
I suggested that parts of S11 could do with being razed but that was nothing to do with the people more the lacklustre architecture.

If I remember rightly though, you've just moved into a new build on a faceless new development. What were you saying about lacklustre architecture again?

Originally posted by t020
If I remember rightly though, you've just moved into a new build on a faceless new development. What were you saying about lacklustre architecture again?

First my car and now my house. Stop stalking me or I'll report you to the mods. Oh, I am one.

Have you won the lottery then Max? Shoudl you be inviting us all to a slap up night out?

I'm not a snob - I just want to help you share. It's lonely down here under your boots :D

close the thread please..why is there such a constant need to compare anyway?? let people think and be what they may

everyone has their reasons for feeling above or below, and sometimes they do so because they're feeling exactly the opposite
like sometimes you try to bring yourself down because you're afraid people are judging you to be a snob and other times you try to look better cos they're judging you to be less..it's a very compulsive behavior..and the solution is to not let people's opinion of you matter so much..

Threads like this sometimes make my eyes bleed.

Although I think Maxwell is doing a good job of proving he is a snob, I can see what he's saying.

I moved from Liverpool to Glasgow in my teens. Being English is a crime punishable by death in the secondary school I attended, but my class'mates' settled for slagging me off as scum 'coz I got off the bus on the council estate.

A couple of months later I was spotted walking into a sizeable sandstone property by one of the lads in my class, and I walked into school next day transformed into a 'snob'.

I hadn't changed. Their perspective had.

(I hate the 'it's from John Lewis/Cole Brother's' brigade too. I used to work in a sister shop, so the entire contents of my house come from there, but these people try to look down their noses at me!??! :loopy: )

AND...... inverted snobs are my WORST hate......... so I won't even START on THAT one :rant: 'coz Sheffield has more than it's fair share of those. .......
.......STOP DRAGGING PEOPLE DOWN!!!

Originally posted by Strix
(I hate the 'it's from John Lewis/Cole Brother's' brigade too. I used to work in a sister shop, so the entire contents of my house come from there, but these people try to look down their noses at me!??! :loopy: )


My favourite way to handle my mate at the moment is to point to something obviously expensive and from CB's and ask say "Oh, I saw those in Matalan, is that were you got it ?", the offending item has usually gone by the next time I visit :0)

Originally posted by max
First my car and now my house. Stop stalking me or I'll report you to the mods. Oh, I am one.

Hardly a connoisseur of architecture then are you? Unless of course characterless, put up in 2 weeks, lego-land style boxes are your thing.

Originally posted by t020
Hardly a connoisseur of architecture then are you? Unless of course characterless, put up in 2 weeks, lego-land style boxes are your thing.

Thats just about everyhting built in the last 10 years.

Originally posted by nick2
Thats just about everyhting built in the last 10 years.

Exactly.

Except perhaps the chemistry block at the old University, that is a bit different.

Originally posted by nick2
Thats just about everyhting built in the last 10 years.

Ah, well that lets me out then. My ancient ancestral pile is about 15 years old. :D

Originally posted by t020
Hardly a connoisseur of architecture then are you? Unless of course characterless, put up in 2 weeks, lego-land style boxes are your thing.

I've redone your post in green, that being the colour of envy. I can understand being envious of my car but you've no idea what my house is like. :loopy:

Originally posted by max
Ah, well that lets me out then. My ancient ancestral pile is about 15 years old. :D


You can have ancestral piles removed at the Halamshire :D

Originally posted by nick2
You can have ancestral piles removed at the Halamshire :D

But they're in my genes. :D

Originally posted by max
But they're in my genes. :D

LOL - Euughhh !

Originally posted by max

I've redone your post in green, that being the colour of envy. I can understand being envious of my car but you've no idea what my house is like. :loopy:


Don't flatter yourself. Once again, it's your hypocrisy that provokes me. You write off the whole of S11 on it's architectural merit when you yourself live in a new build house that has all the architectural merit of a kid's lego home.

Originally posted by maxwell
On this forum there are postings such as worst estate worst this and that ect.On the worst estate thread you get people saying get rid of Ranmoor or Ecclesall because they (supposedly the people who live there)are all snooty.What narrowmindnes.People choose to live where they want to ,if you want to live near a chippy or a boozer because you like to visit these places then you buy a property in the vicinity,your choice.On the other hand you can study at school,achieve a good standard of education that enables you to get a well paid job and you can choose to buy a house where the surroundings are more to you and your familys likings.In this day and age if you are not bothered about achieving
a good education,not bothered about attending school then the only alternative is low pay or the dole and a council house.

I have read this post quite a few times now and reading between the lines i have decided i do not like maxwell. It's no use anyone jumping in asking for an explanation for my conclusion because if you did'nt get it when reading the post for yourself, you never will.

Sounds like the rant of somebody who never found where they fitted in, doesn't it Vidster?

Originally posted by Strix
Sounds like the rant of somebody who never found where they fitted in, doesn't it Vidster?

You got my vote strix!

we all leave this life with nothing

Originally posted by t020
Don't flatter yourself. Once again, it's your hypocrisy that provokes me. You write off the whole of S11 on it's architectural merit when you yourself live in a new build house that has all the architectural merit of a kid's lego home.

Sorry, apologies in order. My original post related to Fulwood then I mentioned S11. Oops, should have realised it would have woken the sleeping eccy kid.

Still don't see why you're so jealous (sorry, critical) of my house when you don't know where it is or have ever seen it. :loopy:

Unless, of course, it was you who either burgled it or pushed a bnp leaflet through my door. ;)

Originally posted by max
Sorry, apologies in order. My original post related to Fulwood then I mentioned S11. Oops, should have realised it would have woken the sleeping eccy kid.

Still don't see why you're so jealous (sorry, critical) of my house when you don't know where it is or have ever seen it. :loopy:

Unless, of course, it was you who either burgled it or pushed a bnp leaflet through my door. ;)


The architecture in Fulwood is mainly fine, other than the 1950s and 1960s houses. Since you live in a new build, it's not hard to imagine what your house looks like, and as a result it seems strange that you should feel the need to be critical of architecture in other areas.

And no, it wasn't me who burgled your house or pushed a BNP leaflet through your door... maybe you should have moved to Fulwood instead? ;)

Going back a bit here, if a merc pulled up beside me at the traffic lights and looked down his nose at my car, i'd be inclined to agree with him - my fiesta is a bit crap :D

One day i'll be in the merc though, sneering at all the boy racers who think they're it. C'mon, who doesn' look down at boy racers and chavs??? (other than themselves!)

;)