Well, after a night out i must say how disappointed i am with sheffield clubs!!

The 3 major ones ie republic, kingdom and leadmill, all on a monday night are "student" only!!

fair enough, students have it hard, and you can offer them cheaper things, but not to allow fellow people (ie a general public, willing to pay a vast amount more than students) is beyond stupidity!!!

first of all we went to leadmill,
now we had pre-booked tickets (there was 7 of us, gonna spend a fair amount) at no time when we purchased the tickets, at £3 each was we asked for NUS cards, nor was we told it was a student night, nowhere on the tickets does it state "students only" nor does it say it on the posters, in fact posters state "£2:50 with NUS/£4 without"

so ok, we gets to leadmill and we go to the queue for the tickets!! to be turned away cause we did not have student cards on us, whemn asked about tickets etc, they stated it was a "student orientated" night!! and also management have the right to refuse entry,
ok, on the second point fair enough, yeah they do have that right, but they stopped us for not being students, in fact the only reason they pullled us over is cause we did not look like students!!

so OK, we left it, gave our tickets to people n the queue, and went up to kingdom, ANOTHER student night, we was not allowed in with out NUS cards, i really could not believe this!!!
we chatted about it for a bit and went to republic,

now we saw some people get turned away for not being students, but thankfully we didnt,
and i went in republic, we had a great night, caused no bother to anybody, and contributed to other peoples good night

now i ask you, why is it possible to be DISCRIMNATED (and yes thats what it is) against being a student.
after all, we are the people from sheffield, and we are not allowed in our OWN clubs!!

fair enough, they probly think that students and others dont mix, but sometimes you just have to use your discretion, and it seems, sadly, that these bouncers have not got a brain cell between them!!

it is frustrating, as i go out, and i spend a fair amount of money, so to be turned away from an establishment, just because im not a tax dodger, seems to me quite atrocious!!

anyways

RANT OVER

Yes it sucks but that's the way it is. Get your paws on an NUS Card is the best thing to do. Alternatively try to look/act like a student and they might not ask for one. Or you could try a decent club :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Robbie_Lovin
it is frustrating, as i go out, and i spend a fair amount of money, so to be turned away from an establishment, just because im not a tax dodger, seems to me quite atrocious!!

hey, thanks for that nice insult there Robbie :D wtf you on about tax dodger? I buy a pair of shoes or trousers and i pay tax on it same as you do, same as i pay tax on every other thing I buy like you!

anyways, as for student nights, well the students have only been here a month, all the clubs etc are trying to get new business... you cant really blame them can you?

at the end of the day, the leadmill one sucks, i agree with you there seen as you bought tickets for it, but y'know if they're having a students night then they're not gonna let non-students in!

there are places in town that don't let students in, or are 21+... maybe I dont like that discrimination either? I dont particulally like getting ID'd for most bars/clubs either even though I'm almost 20...

maybe you just need to dress more like your royally skint then you'll get away with it... or try and grab some fake SHU or Sheffield Uni card :P

Originally posted by J-Blaze
Alternatively try to look/act like a student

he already does..........:D

I agree with you totally. There shouldn't be specificnights for Sudents Only. It should always be mxed! I would be a little ****** off if I was out that night.

After what happened to Kirky I think that any bar that doesn't ask for proof of age is being stupid.

its a case of chavism........why shouldn't he be let in with the studes its a disgrace:rant:

Look on the bright side, if they're all out in the week.. Then less of them will be out at the weekend :)

Clubs are in the very very tough business of trying to make enough to stay open.....its very hard out there with so many clubs competing for finite numbers of punters and a finite source of revenue. Students are seen as easy promotional targets as they generally are drunk all the time and spend mega-amounts of cash in bars and clubs. So, therefore, logically, both bars and clubs will target this market sector, and willingly at the expense of other less certain markets. Certainly outside of the weekend, clubs are fighting to pack their venues out.....and its easier to rope in hordes of students than to market a non student or older sort of non student market, which is less predictable in the week. Its a proven fact that students dont get up in the mornings and they can stay out clubbing until 2am, whereas non students will probably be in employment and have to get up for work in the morning, and so are less likely to go clubbing in the week.

I dont agree with the STUDENT ONLY policy either, but if I was running a club I would be very aware of my break even figures and profit margins, and also have to target the most predictable element of the social structure.....students!

Too right 'fleece.
Who would you want to atract. People who go out rarely with bills, taxes going out.Or 40,000 young drunks who've just had their pockets filled.
No contest really.

Originally posted by xafier
hey, thanks for that nice insult there Robbie :D wtf you on about tax dodger? I buy a pair of shoes or trousers and i pay tax on it same as you do, same as i pay tax on every other thing I buy like you!

anyways, as for student nights, well the students have only been here a month, all the clubs etc are trying to get new business... you cant really blame them can you?



Tax dodging, ie you don't pay tax when you actually go out and earn some money, instead of the loans you get given!!

and im not blaming them one bit for having a student night, and people are mentioning profit margins, but why cant anyone BUT student attend these nights, surely if it was to do with profit margins hen the would have le 7 lads in, who would spend a fair amount of money!!

as for not letting us in cause we didnt have NUS cards, it hasnt stopped them previous times we have actually got in the club!!

and furthermore, there no indication on the tickets it was a "student" night only
you didnt need a NUS to buy them, and it stated it nowhere on the ticket!! so how are people to know,

More than likely they might have turned you away because you were 7 lads.
I've had simialr in the past.
"sorry lads,theres too many men in"
"Sorry lads, it's ladies night"

Etc etc when you know rampantly it isnt.

Students don't generally mix well with locals when drink is involved. So when the majority of business is coming from students on a particular night, it's obvious who's going to lose out.

Every student city has student nights, but to hear some on here you'd think it was an infrigement of human rights or something. The ticketing situation at the Leadmill sounds like a farce, mind.

Originally posted by Albert Tross
More than likely they might have turned you away because you were 7 lads.
I've had simialr in the past.
"sorry lads,theres too many men in"
"Sorry lads, it's ladies night"

Etc etc when you know rampantly it isnt.


ahhhhh but this is where studentt nights come in to efftect

it is not unsual for say a group of 7 lads to go somewhere, in fact it could possibly be more, cause you get halls, houses, all of same gender and they go together!!! so that would not be an excuse!!

but to hear some on here you'd think it was an infrigement of human rights or something. [/B]

The law states than licensed premises owners can refuse to admit anyone they feel like, without notice, even if you you have a ticket for something. They have this right as license holders which means they dcan refuse anyone admission, and are not obliged to even offer a reason, just say "not tonight lads", or whatever.

I agree with Greenback and you have to admit you soon started on the students as been tex dodgers etc. Sounds like a good idea keeping you apart really....

(again Leadmills ticketting needs sorting so there are no expectations of getting in in the first place).

Interestingly this doesn't happen anywhere in Leeds. I used to go to all the student nights there and have never been asked for NUS or saw signs that it was student only.

well i know of certain people who actually got in leadmill last night who was not students!! so its obvious there not checking for NUS!!

to be honest, yes they are "tax dodging" but i would never hold that against them, in fact........ most of my mates are actually students, i have absoluetly no problem with them at all, because they are building up to something they want to achieve!!

but to turn somebody away for not being a student is quite awful to be honest

tax dodging? you mean they don't get an income so don't pay income tax - I'm sure if you didn't have an income you wouldn't either!

On a more clubby note though, it amazes me that all these nearly identical student nights can possibly keep going and make a profit - wouldn't some variety in club nights draw in a few more people rather than a zillion student / school disco / other lowest common denominator nights?

Originally posted by goldenfleece
The law states than licensed premises owners can refuse to admit anyone they feel like, without notice, even if you you have a ticket for something. They have this right as license holders which means they dcan refuse anyone admission, and are not obliged to even offer a reason, just say "not tonight lads", or whatever.

Not strictly true. It's the premises that are licensed. They can actually refuse to SERVE anyone - licensing law is the only area of law where you can refuse to serve someone without any justification required - but whether they can refuse entry, even if they then subsequently refuse to serve, without a justifiable reason has never been challenged.

So, for instance, on a licensed premise, children under 18 are allowed in (Im sure Kirky will correct me since its about 6 years since I did my NLC) as long as they have a substantial meal. You can also serve them a "long" drink but not spirits if having with meal.

Some licensed premises can apply for parts of the pub to be child zones where the above rules dont apply and children are allowed in until 9.30 pm but it can be quite a complicated process as you have to mark it on plans and ensure access to toilets etc. Some new builds places (Brewsters etc) do that with this in mind.

Can you imagine running a night or a pub where students were not allowed and the uproar that would cause?

Originally posted by carcrash
Can you imagine running a night or a pub where students were not allowed and the uproar that would cause?

It wouldn't cause uproar, because it would never happen. How could you possibly tell if someone is a student or not - other than by going off how they look/speak? Which, as things stand, will probably have an impact as to whether they're allowed in or not?

There are plenty of pubs where students aren't welcome. Usually the ones that have banners outside saying 'student friendly'...

where are these places where students are not welcome??

and if they find out they are a student, are they refused entry??

WHATS JOSEPHINES LIKE? I HEAR ITS CHANGED HANDS AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO FEZ? (NEXT TO MATRIX, CANT REMEMBER NEW NAME)

fez was part of element/po na na and will have closed when it did

Originally posted by Robbie_Lovin
where are these places where students are not welcome??

and if they find out they are a student, are they refused entry??

How can you "find out" someone is a student? You can't, unless you physically search for evidence of an NUS card.

As for places where students aren't welcome – well, they aren't exactly tough to spot! Though there are probably fewer of them these days than there were in the past.

ANY CHANCE OF IT REOPENING?? IT WAS QUITE GROOVY IN THERE, NICE MIX OF PEOPLE - VERY CHILLED

Originally posted by NATALIESHEFF
ANY CHANCE OF IT REOPENING?? IT WAS QUITE GROOVY IN THERE, NICE MIX OF PEOPLE - VERY CHILLED

firstly, you're way of the subject here!!!

Originally posted by NATALIESHEFF
How can you "find out" someone is a student? You can't, unless you physically search for evidence of an NUS card.


secondly most students ask if there is a discount!!

use ur blooming student loan! asking for discounts!!! gees!!! he he kidding! just ask babes, or go on internet fill in surveys and get free vouchers thru post or something!! sometimes websites do free samples! woo hoo free food

Originally posted by NATALIESHEFF
use ur blooming student loan! asking for discounts!!! gees!!! he he kidding! just ask babes, or go on internet fill in surveys and get free vouchers thru post or something!! sometimes websites do free samples! woo hoo free food


are you from this planet?

Originally posted by Robbie_Lovin
secondly most students ask if there is a discount!!

Not convinced this method is water-tight, somehow :-)

Originally posted by Greenback
Not convinced this method is water-tight, somehow :-)

you can generally pick out students anyways!!!

we should really release a card showing your NOT a student

from this planet on mondays and wednesdays only. joking! back on the subject though - where is good to go dancing in sheffield it seems to have died off lots. late night bars all good, but its hardly an all night groove

Originally posted by NATALIESHEFF
from this planet on mondays and wednesdays only. joking! back on the subject though - where is good to go dancing in sheffield it seems to have died off lots. late night bars all good, but its hardly an all night groove


OMG

how is that back on the subject?

ha ha ha!! im so bored i dunno even what to write!! roll on 5 o'clock!!

I've found on the rare occassion I've been out late with friends mid-week that the only club that will let us non-students in is Spearmint Rhino!

Originally posted by Andy C
I've found on the rare occassion I've been out late with friends mid-week that the only club that will let us non-students in is Spearmint Rhino!

Even they have a student night on tuesdays where it is "student only"

i believe somebody once told me that, i'd never go in :hihi:

I think the problem is the bouncers, if you asked the clubs i bet they would claim there are no such policies. One thing about groups of lads though. i was waiting for a lift outside republic at about 1am one saturday and watching the people going in. If a couple of lads walked up to the entrance the bouncers just opened the gate at the top and waved them out without even saying anything. If a couple of girls walked up the same queue they just let them in, see the power has gone to their heads!

I am a Sheffield local, born and bred, but I am currently a student studying in Southampton. So do you loathe me, or like me? My position, as you will see, is firmly on the fence.

Firstly, I have had a series of tedious and laborious jobs in order to fund myself. As I'm 'down south', the rent for my house is astronomically high, and my loan doesn't cover even half of it, never mind my extortionate tuition fees. Therefore, student nights both at home and down here are very welcome.

However, aside from slagging off all students as though they are some sort of distinct pot-noodle eating offshoot of the human race, I agree that sometimes student only nights can be annoying. I visited my friends in Southampton this summer for a birthday outing and brought along some none-student mates from Sheffield. They couldn't get in the club, the night was almost ruined, and it was pretty much a wasted trip of over 500 miles! And this was in August!

Don't forget though, a lot of this stems from unsympathetic bouncers that get a kick out of turning people away.

i never said i hate students, never will do either!!

it just takes mick that it is a "student" only night,

I was out a few weeks ago with about 70 people + all from the Fire Service and we tried to get in Leadmill on a Tuesday night after we had booked out Walkabout and they wouldn't let us in because they said it was 'students only' I wouldn't have minded so much but it wasn't even busy inside and there was no queue, we tried everything to get in but they still wouldn't let us. They must have waisted £100's not letting us in :confused:

So most people went home and a few of us went to Halycon instead.

i thought fire men could do anything - youre invincible xx

Originally posted by mjlacey21
fez was part of element/po na na and will have closed when it did
Originally posted by NATALIESHEFF
ANY CHANCE OF IT REOPENING?? IT WAS QUITE GROOVY IN THERE, NICE MIX OF PEOPLE - VERY CHILLED
Hmm, you didn't notice the wielding of knives and gang fights then? or is that frisson of danger which made it cool?

Students run this town now.....they get all the Clubs for their cheesey weekday nights, practically exclusively, as no one else gets past Mr Doorman. They get all the best bar offers on production of a Union card. Mr Average Sheffielder is practically barred from Clubs unless its a weekend, as the Clubs are hungry for those 18-21 yr olds waving their Switch cards about. Lets face it, they RULE.

i thought this was about the best and worst clubs? The worst is area 51 without a doubt (if its still called that or hasn't had a re-name yet again to try to fool us into thinking its somewhere new and good).

Originally posted by goldenfleece
Students run this town now.....they get all the Clubs for their cheesey weekday nights, practically exclusively, as no one else gets past Mr Doorman. They get all the best bar offers on production of a Union card. Mr Average Sheffielder is practically barred from Clubs unless its a weekend, as the Clubs are hungry for those 18-21 yr olds waving their Switch cards about. Lets face it, they RULE.

I think this is a little harsh. As I stated in my previous post, I am both a student AND Mr. Average Sheffielder.

People are starting to mock students because it's the fashionable thing to do. For eight months of the year or so, Sheffield is a very big student city, like so many other towns across the country.

In my experience of drinking in Sheffield as a local (i.e. in the summer) I've seen a lot more trouble and violence than on your average student night during term time. Admittedly, exclusion of local residents from a vast array of venues is a problem, but as I said before this is largely executed at the bouncers' discretion.

Originally posted by missrabbit
i thought this was about the best and worst clubs? The worst is area 51 without a doubt (if its still called that or hasn't had a re-name yet again to try to fool us into thinking its somewhere new and good).

read the origional post

imo ALL Sheffield clubs are awful. Souless, dire, squalid, pits....

dreadful music, drunk students/townies and bad bouncers

poor drinks

terrible...

Originally posted by robbie
imo ALL Sheffield clubs are awful. Souless, dire, squalid, pits....

dreadful music, drunk students/townies and bad bouncers

poor drinks

terrible...

Could be worse though.

Try living in Southampton like me...

Originally posted by robbie
imo ALL Sheffield clubs are awful. Souless, dire, squalid, pits....

dreadful music, drunk students/townies and bad bouncers

poor drinks

terrible...

you sound a barrel of laughs

local residents from a vast array of venues is a problem, but as I said before this is largely executed at the bouncers' discretion. [/B]

Sorry then, BOUNCERS RULE.
Except you think they may be briefed by the Management?

Originally posted by missrabbit
i thought this was about the best and worst clubs? The worst is area 51 without a doubt (if its still called that or hasn't had a re-name yet again to try to fool us into thinking its somewhere new and good).

What was Area 51 has *dramatically* changed - its now called Zero and is probably the only club in Sheffield to host nights that are a bit different (Urban Gorilla, Razor Stilleto, Planet Zogg etc). And it is quite good!

Back on topic -a lot of clubs in manchester used to require NUS cards - even on fri nights - didnt realise Sheffield was the same. the logic - for right or wrong - was so students felt comfortable there and - presumeably so it was only other students that would be taken advantage of the ****** up students in there.

Originally posted by goldenfleece
Sorry then, BOUNCERS RULE.
Except you think they may be briefed by the Management?

Of course they are briefed by the management, but as it has already been mentioned in this thread, some people have made it into 'student nights' without having to produce a valid NUS card. I have non-student mates that don't seem to have any problems going out in Sheffield, but occasionally are turned away by the door-staff for ridiculous reasons.

In my opinion, student orientated nights aren't all that fantastic anyway. The so-called money saving offers aren't exactly astounding. The best thing about them is that it offers people a chance to mix with others of the same age. Single youngsters out on the pull don't want to be surrounded by middle-aged married couples.

There's room enough in Sheffield to have venues for students, venues for locals, and venues for both, and there are enough days in the week to alternate the nights around.

I'd better stop now. This fence is starting to chafe my buttocks.

Originally posted by Pilon

There's room enough in Sheffield to have venues for students, venues for locals, and venues for both, and there are enough days in the week to alternate the nights around.


EXACTLY

but what im saying the 3 "big" clubs in sheffield, are for students only!!

A student night is good for business.

Generally they don't cause as much trouble as townie kids who would go in otherwise (you can accuse me of snobbery if you like, but I'm sure thats true) and a lot of them are spending mummy and daddy's money like there is no tomorrow.

Hey I've managed to insult both townies and students.

good going, eh?!

Originally posted by Robbie_Lovin
you sound a barrel of laughs

sorry boss I 'll lie if you want....:rolleyes:

area 51 is that capital near berlins?? sorry "purple"? gees remember when they had dirty sunday morning at capital and uropa for insomniacs WHY??? what was i thinking

Originally posted by robbie
sorry boss I 'll lie if you want....:rolleyes:


come out on one of our projected "saturdays" me and kirky are going to arrange

start off at 12, drinkin till 2:30, in to united game, then back out drinking again all night

Originally posted by missrabbit
i thought this was about the best and worst clubs? The worst is area 51 without a doubt (if its still called that or hasn't had a re-name yet again to try to fool us into thinking its somewhere new and good).

I think you are a bit out of date here miss rabbit. I agree, area 51 was unbelievably bad but now, as club zero, there has been a real improvement. New owners now manage the club. First Saturday of every month there is Razor Stiletto (local and nation bands) and the venue also holds gigs that were due to have been played at the now closed fez club. I'm think they do still have some dodgy nights but they also offer some alternative entertainment and are quite well linked to the local live music scene. I can imagine how hard it must be though in that part of town and it is really close to that disgusting purple bar.

Last month at HUSTLE we had a fantastic mix of people, including a lot more students than I expected. Traditionally our night is lots of girl only parties or 20 something couples. Maybe it was because we had Danny Kwang from Speed Queen which does atract a slightly younger audience.
Suffice to say all are welcome to HUSTLE as long as your not a Burberry wearing chav.

Nov 20th HUSTLE @ .Zero. Slammin Boys Galaxy Network Tour
SoulfulFunkyHouseMusic

Originally posted by Yodameister
A student night is good for business.

Generally they don't cause as much trouble as townie kids who would go in otherwise (you can accuse me of snobbery if you like, but I'm sure thats true) and a lot of them are spending mummy and daddy's money like there is no tomorrow.

Hey I've managed to insult both townies and students.

good going, eh?!

I work on the doors at one of the student pubs in town and i agree with you totally. When i have worked some of the cities other venues that are seen as "local" there has alot more trouble.

If your looking for the worst venue in sheff (now the arches is closed) look no further than Kingdom. It's a Dump full of idiots and very expensive.

Rant over.

If your looking for the worst venue in sheff (now the arches is closed) look no further than Kingdom. It's a Dump full of idiots and very expensive.

Rant over. [/B]

The Arches may not have been the prettiest venue in Sheffield - but it had less trouble in the decade it was open than most city centre venues do in a weekend...

I worked on the doors at the Arches and couldn't agree more. Yet no one can honestly tell me it wasn't a dive. Thats the point i'm making.

went to the arches once there were 22 people in the whole club, very friendly but scruffy, whats aldephi like???? scary area i know

Very briefly dipped my toe into Adelphi on Saturday for Ahead....had to leave v early. It may vary on the night

Very very thorough security search, quite friendly place though, a few characters around.

Undecided. Not sure.

Fez club make you put the contents of your pockets in plastic bag!! when they were open. not good for one of my FEMALE mates

All pockets emptied, coat asked to be removed, and a through patting down. In many ways, a good idea. Just thought the bouncer could have at least brought me a drink first.

he he! still dint stop that stabbin/shooting or whatever. orchis make you cover your timberlands up??