Just heard the news on Galaxy Radio and it said that the Government was considering renaming the whole of West Yorkshire from Harrogate all the way down Barnsley as Greater Leeds!

Would they rename South Yorkshire to Greater Sheffield, me hope so! lol!

just said greater leeds on the radio

Leeds is obsessed with being the biggest city.

Sheffield as Greater Leeds.....there's going to be a revolution methinks :mad:

How can they call Barnsley part of Leeds when it has a Sheffield Post code?

Moon

Originally posted by Moon Maiden
How can they call Barnsley part of Leeds when it has a Sheffield Post code?

Moon

It said on the radio Greater Leeds would end at the point where it reached Barnsley, not including it within Greater Leeds.

Greater Manchester hasn't done any favours for Manchester because it is still ranked a smaller city than both Leeds and Sheffield when it obviously isn't.

Would the people of Harrogate,Hailfax,Bradford,Wakefield,etc.. really call themselves Greater Leeds?:loopy:

Just like the people of Barnsley, Doncaster, Rotherham, etc would never call themselves Greater Sheffield.

The main question is - does the word Great belong anywhere near Leeds??
Does this mean that Yorkshire won't exist?

so will we be having greater leeds puddings on sunday:confused: :confused: :confused:

Originally posted by skyfitsboy
The reason I can think of for this idea of renaming West Yorkshire into Greater Leeds would be to inflate Leeds already over bloated ego and it's bid to become 2nd only to London.

I can't imagine Leeds ever becoming England's second city.

Just look at these figures: http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/questions/population.html

They clearly show Birmingham is firmly lodged in that position.

And Birmingham is just as unplesant a place as Leeds, but for different reasons.

Why does leeds think it is so great anyway. I thought their city centre was very dirty and uninspiring.

Does this thread mean that I can tell my story of my four yr old granddaughter, travelling with me on the train to "mucky" l**ds a couple of weeks ago?

She and I were on the train having a trip out, to l**ds (Asda have a nice george shop there but it's about the only thing worth travelling to l**ds for...)

As the train pulls out of the station, madam says, at the top of her voice:-

"Nannan!!! Is this train going to Mucky l**ds?"

I said, "No, chick, its l**ds!"

"But GRANDAD sez it's MUCKY l**ds"

"No, chick it's called l**ds, "'mucky' is only for the football, when they wreck our football ground, just because we trashed them...!"

"Oh!", says she...

She then kneels up on the seat, so she can look out of the window, at the passing scenery, and begins to sing, loudly, over and over ...

"Mucky, mucky mucky l**ds,
Mucky l**ds, Mucky l**ds,
Mucky , mucky mucky l**ds
Mucky, Mucky l**-**ds!!!"

I didn't know where to put my face!

Anyway, back on topic...

l**ds has delusions of grandeur that it'll never fulfil!!!

Sheffield has a heck of a lot more history behind it, than l**ds, any day! (not to mention at least one football team that's a darn sight better, too! lol)

all l**ds has going for it, is a couple of half-decent shops, and a compact city centre, which in parts is marginally more easy to get around than Sheffield. I would say l**ds city centre covers an area about from the markets in Sheffield, up to the Barkers Pool area, and not really a lot more than that. it's not as spread out as Sheffield.

greater l**ds! Unbelieveable!

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(and yes. the lack of capitals in the word "l**ds" is intentional, since you ask!)

P "sheffield? better than l**ds any day!" T

Originally posted by karl101
I can't imagine Leeds ever becoming England's second city.

Just look at these figures: http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/questions/population.html

They clearly show Birmingham is firmly lodged in that position.

And Birmingham is just as unplesant a place as Leeds, but for different reasons.

I agree that Leeds will never replace Birmingham as the UKs 2nd city but the population figures on the above website are way off accurate.

For the official population figures try: http://www.statistics.gov.uk/

Originally posted by Moon Maiden
How can they call Barnsley part of Leeds when it has a Sheffield Post code?

Moon

How can Barnsley have a sheffield post code, when it is a unique Town (rhetorical question) ;-)

Originally posted by sccsux
How can Barnsley have a sheffield post code, when it is a unique Town (rhetorical question) ;-)

You could say the same thing about Chesterfield which also has a Sheffield postcode and is not even in South Yorkshire!

Originally posted by Moon Maiden
How can they call Barnsley part of Leeds when it has a Sheffield Post code?

Moon
I s'ppose they could sort of call Barnsley "part of" Leeds... well they can't... unless they are going on the old "west riding" thing - whish now is South and West Yorkshire isn't it?

Doesen't the whole of South Yorkshire have S XX postcode?

You sure you didn't mistake it for Grater Leeds? My theory being that Leeds grates on the rest of Yorkshire. :D

But, Goole, on what used to be called "Humberside" during the 1970's and 1980's, has a Doncaster (DNxx xxx) postcode...

the "S" postcode area, that surrounds Sheffield, stretches almost to Doncaster (DNxxx) in the north, and Worksop in the south of the area. (below Worksop area, it'd be the Nottingham, (NG) postcode

The York postcode (YOxx XXX) covers a huge amount of North Yorkshire, from Thirsk and Pickering, right across to the coast , to Bridlington, Whitby,Scarborough, and Filey.

PT

Originally posted by amhudson119
I s'ppose they could sort of call Barnsley "part of" Leeds... well they can't... unless they are going on the old "west riding" thing - whish now is South and West Yorkshire isn't it?

Doesen't the whole of South Yorkshire have S XX postcode?

no, Doncaster has its own postcode, "DN", whilst the north part of Barnsley borders on Wakefield, and its WF postcode.

P "just a good, old fashioned west-riding gal" T

I used to live in Grimsby back when I was a student, and they had a Doncaster DN postcode.

And no, Grimsby is not mucky, apart from the smell of fish from the docks as you drive into the Town.

It's one of 3 otherTowns/Cities including Sheffield that I'd live in if I had my own place, the others being Cleethorpes or Skegness, otherwise known as "Chav-Vegas" for some reason :confused: :loopy:

Ooh, look, my first post!

Although it looks like I've been lurking for months, it's only cos I haven't looked in for a while.

I'd love to know what the point of a renaming would be. Do you think this might be to do with Two Jags' regional assembly obsession?

Originally posted by chillicat
Ooh, look, my first post!

Although it looks like I've been lurking for months, it's only cos I haven't looked in for a while.

I'd love to know what the point of a renaming would be. Do you think this might be to do with Two Jags' regional assembly obsession?

Welcome to SF :thumbsup:

You need to do a post in the introductions board now to tell us a bt about yourself :)

I'm scuttling over there right now!

erm... where is it?

Originally posted by richynomates
The main question is - does the word Great belong anywhere near Leeds??
Does this mean that Yorkshire won't exist?



West Yorkshire becomes greater Leeds, South Yorkshire becomes Greater Sheffield and England becomes Greater Yorkshire.

Now thats sorted, would Scotland and Wales mind being called Greater England?

Now then, the Isle of Wight.... Cant think of a catagory for you so congratulations on gaining your independance.

Originally posted by chillicat
erm... where is it?

They keep moving it around ;) ... General Chit Chat>Introductions and Birthday's.

HTH

Alex

Originally posted by amhudson119
Doesen't the whole of South Yorkshire have S XX postcode? Not the bits that have a DN postcode :)

Originally posted by skyfitsboy
I agree that Leeds will never replace Birmingham as the UKs 2nd city but the population figures on the above website are way off accurate.

For the official population figures try: http://www.statistics.gov.uk/

I suspected that those figures may be inaccurate, but the gov's stats site didn't have the numbers available within the 10 seconds I spent looking. ;-)

Prefixing Greater is a bit pants. I think they should bring back Municipal. As in Upperthorpe Municipal Baths.

If Yorkshire was a man, Leeds would be the a*sehole

Originally posted by Albert Tross
If Yorkshire was a man, Leeds would be the a*sehole

A little unfair to a*seholes!

Originally posted by karl101
I suspected that those figures may be inaccurate, but the gov's stats site didn't have the numbers available within the 10 seconds I spent looking. ;-)

Prefixing Greater is a bit pants. I think they should bring back Municipal. As in Upperthorpe Municipal Baths.

I didn't know they had changed it to Upperthorpe Greater Baths. Flaming council they can't leave anything alone. :mad:

Originally posted by Rich
I used to live in Grimsby back when I was a student, and they had a Doncaster DN postcode.

And no, Grimsby is not mucky, apart from the smell of fish from the docks as you drive into the Town.

It's one of 3 otherTowns/Cities including Sheffield that I'd live in if I had my own place

Ooh, a positive mention of my home town. Makes a nice change. Not that I'd live there!

We did always used to wonder why we had a Doncaster postcode instead of a Lincoln one. And now there's all this talk of a regional assembly for "Yorkshire and the Humber". The authorities seem determined to subsume northern Lincolnshire into Yorkshire. Heaven knows why.

Originally posted by karl101
And Birmingham is just as unplesant a place as Leeds, but for different reasons.

Yeah. Public transport is actually quite good in Birmingham (it's just that nobody wants to use it), and Leeds has some OK pubs. You couldn't vice versa that.

You do get people shouting random abuse at you in both cities, but in very different accents.

http://www.yorkshiretoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=55&ArticleID=880175

see article.

By the by, do we fancy being an offshoot of a new 'supercity' stretching from Liverpool to Hull...?

http://society.guardian.co.uk/urbandesign/story/0,,1320367,00.html

Originally posted by lazyfish
By the by, do we fancy being an offshoot of a new 'supercity' stretching from Liverpool to Hull...?

http://society.guardian.co.uk/urbandesign/story/0,,1320367,00.html

That's a good idea.. imagine just telling your lass that you had only been to town...Liverpool side of Manchester, or just outside Hull love, I can see the dummy getting spit out over that one :confused:

Originally posted by fhain29
http://www.yorkshiretoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=55&ArticleID=880175

see article.

So it would appear Barnsley would be included in the Greater Leeds plan?!

Where will the Greater Leeds region end? at the border with North East Derbyshire maybe?

I seriously can't imagine Sheffield ever allowing itself to be governed by Leeds City Council:cool:

Sheffield will never be greater leeds, if it does then i will personally vandalise every sign in the city identifying us as leeds.

have to admit i love clubbin in leeds, but no way is the city better than sheffield. i know we all moan, but sheffield is a great place to live work and play

Originally posted by skyfitsboy
So it would appear Barnsley would be included in the Greater Leeds plan?!
Barnsley people are proper Yorkshire folk and should form an alliance with Sheffielders against all things L***s. This city and people represent a bizarre evolutionary cul-de-sac in the history of Yorkshire.

Why is everyone so anti-Leeds? It's a great place.

I know lots of lovely people that live in Leeds, not all of them are ar*eholes, its the local govenment in Leeds with the big ego's

Originally posted by skyfitsboy
Why is everyone so anti-Leeds? It's a great place. Somebody call the medics whilst I divert his attention!:o

Originally posted by Ned Ludd
Somebody call the medics whilst I divert his attention!:o

My feet are firmly on the ground thank you very much!

I'm just being realistic, there's nice and nasty people in Leeds with good and bad areas, you can say the same thing about Sheffield.

The only difference is there is more nasty people and more bad areas in Leeds than Sheffield because it is a bigger city.

Originally posted by skyfitsboy
My feet are firmly on the ground thank you very much!

I'm just being realistic, there's nice and nasty people in Leeds with good and bad areas, you can say the same thing about Sheffield.

The only difference is there is more nasty people and more bad areas in Leeds than Sheffield because it is a bigger city.

leeds' population is about 400,000 iirc. Sheffield's is just over the half-million mark, so I can't *quite* get my head round the concept of Sheffield, the fourth largest city, being smaller than leeds. (anyway, we have had this debate in another thread, so we'll drop that part, for the time being)

leeds is a right "hole", imo... Even their *better* council estates seem to be as bad as Sheffield's worst ones. (or at least comparable) As I understand it, the crime rate is higher than sheffield, (which surprises me, as the glowering, black-stone towers of Armley Gaol loom over the city of leeds, and you' d think they'd be a deterrent) it's definitely not as friendly a city as Sheffield.

As I have said in previous posts, the only things that leeds has going for it is that it has a good, old-fashioned market, and a compact city centre.

I think Sheffield is a great city; there is so much greenery, friendly people, safe environment... I really would not want to live anywhere else.

PT

Originally posted by Plain Talker
leeds' population is about 400,000 iirc. Sheffield's is just over the half-million mark, so I can't *quite* get my head round the concept of Sheffield, the fourth largest city, being smaller than leeds. (anyway, we have had this debate in another thread, so we'll drop that part, for the time being)
PT

I don't want to raise this debate again either because there is way too many definitions on how to measure the size of a city, but I'm really intrested in where you got these 400,000 population figures from for Leeds and what year there from?!

The last census conducted in 2001 as you will know does not report this.

Sheffield Population Figures - Census2001 (http://www.statistics.gov.uk/census2001/pyramids/pages/00cg.asp)

Leeds Population Figures - Census2001 (http://www.statistics.gov.uk/census2001/pyramids/pages/00da.asp/)

no, we won't go into how "mucky* leeds' figures encompasses the satellite towns from around west yorkshire, and Sheffield figures cover sheffield only...

we've had that discussion before.

Sheffield would have a population of a million if we incorporated the likes of Rotherham, Barnsley, etc...

PT

Originally posted by Plain Talker
no, we won't go into how "mucky* leeds' figures encompasses the satellite towns from around west yorkshire, and Sheffield figures cover sheffield only...
PT

LOL! Heard this been said I thousand times in the other thread but never seen any real evidence that Leeds incorporates all it's satellite towns into it's total Leeds figures:confused:

If this was the case surely Sheffield would have the sense to do the same too?

Whoops! Now I've just invited loadsa comments like "Yes, but that because mucky Leeds are dishonest, deluded, up themselves and will attempt every tactic in the book to ensure no where else in Yorkshire proceeds them!":thumbsup:

Does that sound about right?

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Originally posted by skyfitsboy
LOL! Heard this been said I thousand times in the other thread but never seen any real evidence that Leeds incorporates all it's satellite towns into it's total Leeds figures:confused:

If this was the case surely Sheffield would have the sense to do the same too?

Whoops! Now I've just invited loadsa comments like "Yes, but that because mucky Leeds are dishonest, deluded, up themselves and will attempt every tactic in the book to ensure no where else in Yorkshire proceeds them!":thumbsup:

Does that sound about right?

Possibly.

http://www.citymayors.com/features/euro_cities1.html

This link looks credible to me. Maybe Leeds is bigger after all...

Originally posted by skyfitsboy
I agree that Leeds will never replace Birmingham as the UKs 2nd city but the population figures on the above website are way off accurate.

For the official population figures try: http://www.statistics.gov.uk/

That's what I thought (http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/questions/population.html) claims Sheffield city to be the 6th largest city - I always thought you were the fourth..?