His press conference speech (or lack of) and then noticing a journalist who crucified him and proceeding to tell the coach driver to run him over :hihi: Quality.

4 points from 2 games, and we are still not satisfied. I hope he weathers the storm, gets us qualified and see how short peoples memories can be.

Oh he'll get us qualified. i dont think theres any doubt about that.

4 points from 2 games, and we are still not satisfied. I hope he weathers the storm, gets us qualified and see how short peoples memories can be.

Should have been 6 points though Thomas

Well even if we got the six points, we'd still find things to pick faults with...just like last night.

Is it too late to see if David Healy can qualify to be English?

Well even if we got the six points, we'd still find things to pick faults with...just like last night.

Is it too late to see if David Healy can qualify to be English?

And so we should pick fault. A shambolic display against a team of part timers, in a game that we only won because of one certain player, hardly gives confidence about winning the finals does it ?
Add to that the same kind of quality we showed against Isreal, we dont stand a chance.

Is it too late to see if David Healy can qualify to be English?

I think all our boot cleaning positions have been filled actually :hihi:

The best part about his walk-out was as his voice went squeaky and he started to stand up as he got to the end of his "rant".

The best part about his walk-out was as his voice went squeaky and he started to stand up as he got to the end of his "rant".

His voice went squeaky just as Venables pulled his arm out of Maccas ar_se.
Thats all he is, Venables's puppet.

He was probably gonna cry :hihi:

I think I maybe biased though as I romance about situations like this. Just like Kipling said:

"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you
But make allowance for their doubting too"

I think its a great test of character where he is at now - His employers are reportedly considering his future, 90% of the nation seems against him and his squad aren't happy. If he can ride this storm and come out with his head held high it would be a great achievement in his career.

Years ago I remember seeing a manager quoted as saying:

"We want promotion. If you really do,

Cheer the team that's picked."

I sort of agree with that. I've never been one to boo my team during a performance. Maybe after....but never during.

Years ago I remember seeing a manager quoted as saying:

"We want promotion. If you really do,

Cheer the team that's picked."

We do cheer the team, just not the manager. All this wonderfull, heartwarming, snog at the end fantasy is all very well, but just look at the mans desisions.

He came in and thought " i need to make a big noise, so im noticed by all", so he dropped Beckham. He then shouted " IM LOOKING FORWARD, YOUTH IS THE WAY FOR ENGLAND, NO LOOKING BACK "

He then picks Phill Neville at right back as there Gary had a cold.

Nuff said!

Lets not forget that most travelling England fans are thick as pig****.
I have been to Euro 04 and World Cup 06.
Never again.

This may be a sweeping comment, but the level of racism, downright retardness and lack of football appreciation astounded me.
It was like lions who had just been let out of a zoo.


I dont expect fans who tend to watch Stockport and Bristol City to really understand a patient approach on the pitch at international level.

He's only the latest in a long line to have his favourites though int he.
Hoddle picked Darren Anderton in '98 and he'd only played about 3 ganmes all season for Spurs !!:loopy:

I think the same names popping up i the squad even when they dont perfom is something which will happen till the end of time.

The enlightend people at the FA will always pick a manager who will not upset their cosy club. McClaren is not the man to lead England to glory , but then again I don't really know who is. Having said that I do agree what some people have been saying on the tv and radio , that it doesn't matter who is in charge and picking the team, the supposed quality of the players in the team should be enough to beat Isreal and Andorra.

4 points from 2 games, and we are still not satisfied. I hope he weathers the storm, gets us qualified and see how short peoples memories can be.

Look at the opposition though , hardly top drawer sides and a measly three goalsto show for it. Memories of a certain Mr Keegan come drifting back. McClaren's just not good enough and I hope he does the honourable thing and resigns before we ditch :rolleyes:

McClaren's just not good enough and I hope he does the honourable thing and resigns before we ditch :rolleyes:

So who better (who is available, and wants to do the job, and put up with all the crap that goes with it) are you going to get in?

And, what guarantee is there they will do any better than McLaren?

Redknapp has stated he wouldn't touch the job with a bargepole; nor would anyone else in their right mind.

I have already stated (on the parallel thread to this) that I think we will struggle to break down ultra negative Israel (just remember their deplorable play acting and tactics in Dublin in 2006 World Cup qualifier) and Croatia at home, both of whom I anticipate will come for a point..

The games against Estonia and Russia are the key ones.
We should really be looking at getting six points from games v Estonia; and then it's down to what we can do in the matches against Russia (who are perfectly capable of beating England by playing good football); but at the same time anticipate will come to play good football and contribute to an open, entertaining game.

So who better (who is available, and wants to do the job, and put up with all the crap that goes with it) are you going to get in?

And, what guarantee is theer they will do anyting better?

Redknapp has stated he wouldn't touch the job with a bargepole; nor would anyone else in their right mind.

If Mac loses his job, I don't think the England managers job will have the same prestige as it once had. Lets look at it from a number of perspectives.

1. Job satisfaction - The media cannot wait to tear you to pieces and you will always face barrages of criticism (even if you win).

2. Financial & Job security - If your currently a manager at a premiership club tied into a nice little contract, why would you void that in exchange for a job you aren't garaunteed for more then about 4 years? Unless your an expert conniving womanising swede.

3. Reputation - How many England coaches have come out of their roles onto better things? Sven? Not yet, he is exhausting his free pay slip. Keegan? Last I heard he was touted as a prospect for a then vacant managers job @ Doncaster Rovers. Glen Hoddle? Now a pundit and Terry Venables before him has also done sod all.

[QUOTE=geocol;2094424]So who better (who is available, and wants to do the job, and put up with all the crap that goes with it) are you going to get in?

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Unfortunately the standard of English managers leaves a lot to be desired so we may have to look at non English again. I agree it is a very high pressure job which carries hell of a lot of baggage but come on, McC has hardly set our pulses racing. He appears to me to be totally out of his depth and I cannot, at this moment see any light at the end of a very long tunnel

[QUOTE=geocol;2094424]So who better (who is available, and wants to do the job, and put up with all the crap that goes with it) are you going to get in?

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Unfortunately the standard of English managers leaves a lot to be desired so we may have to look at non English again. I agree it is a very high pressure job which carries hell of a lot of baggage but come on, McC has hardly set our pulses racing. He appears to me to be totally out of his depth and I cannot, at this moment see any light at the end of a very long tunnel

There is no doubt Mac got this job by default due to Scolari rejecting us. But can you name me one manager who you feel will as close as possible garauntee us success who is readily available and also willing to take the job with the state of affairs the F.A is in now?

Neil Warnock.

Neil Warnock.

Doubtful Bas.

http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=457650&CPID=219&clid=49&lid=&title=Warnock:+Mac's+job+'the+worst'&channel=&

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[QUOTE=sufc_tom;2094520]But can you name me one manager who you feel will as close as possible garauntee us success who is readily available and also willing to take the job with the state of affairs the F.A is in now?

Sam Alladyce applied along with Macca didn't he ?

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Sam Alladyce applied along with Macca didn't he ?

Yes he did (one of the few who's mad enough to want it), and Curbishley's name was also mentioned.

But could he do a better job, after a similar amount of UEFA cup experience at club level to McLaren?

Would the media give him any longer in post?

I doubt it.

Would any foreigner want the job, after the way our media hounded Scolari out of the idea?

As a fellow correspondent on here (Albert..) said; only "That Gobby ******* at Chelsea" would be probably be mad enough to .

Just remember the reason why McLaren got the job in the first place; was that nobody better qualified than him, was remotely interested in taking it.

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[QUOTE=geocol;2096044]But could he do a better job, after a similar amount of UEFA cup experience at club level to McLaren?.

Yes about the same but, Sam has done a far better job (with limited funds) than Mclaren (who had plenty of funds) when it comes to league placings with regards to consistancy yr after yr (Borough fighting relegation a couple of seasons)

Would the media give him any longer in the post?

Depends on how succesfull he was. If he did better than a draw against Isreal and a scrappy win against some part timers, maybe he would not get so much stick.


As a fellow correspondent on here said; only "That Gobby ******* at Chelsea" would be probably be mad enough to .

With his Management skills and arrogance to answer any question with a smarter answer, i believe Morinhio wouldn't give a monkeys about our press, infact he would probably enjoy mocking them

If he did better than a draw against Isreal
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With his Management skills and arrogance to answer any question with a smarter answer, i believe Morinhio wouldn't give a monkeys about our press, infact he would probably enjoy mocking them


If so many of the ignorant fans and our media recognised that Israel are no longer easy to beat at home (note that no country including France beat them in the 2006 world cup qualifiers) and thought we just have a divine right to walk over them, more managers might be interested in taking the job.

Re Mourinho; he would indeed enjoy a "close working relationship" with our FA; and would look to be the most optimistic long term option ... when he gets fed up in SW6.

Good work fellows.Now we are all but agreed lets get this Mourinho chap in place. Lets get this campaign started !!

You two can draw up the tactical plans and approaches.
I'll mash the tea and make the sandwiches.:)

Good work fellows.Now we are all but agreed lets get this Mourinho chap in place. Lets get this campaign started !!

You two can draw up the tactical plans and approaches.
I'll mash the tea and make the sandwiches.:)

That is assuming he hasn't already taken the Portugal job first!

By the time they've all finished crucifying McLaren, and Big Sam's won so many popularity contests that his head won't fit in the Reebok (never mind Soho Square and Wembley) doors, the next best available option might be the Barry Fry - Steve Claridge partnership!