Lets send as many cards and letters to the boys over there, mine are all ready to go, i bought a full assorted box of cards, just wrote inside a BIG THANK YOU, from a friend.
Don't fall to sleep on this, start now.

Lots of Companies in America send gifts to soldiers. I was looking on the net last night and was amazed at companies like Swisher Sweets who send large boxes of Cigars to the Troops. Wonder how many of our Cig companys send out Fags? None I bet.

maybe "condolences on your extended tour of duty in the north" cards might be more germane.

If the now liberated Iraq has informants within the army, meaning 50 soldiers can be slaughtered, what are the chances they can get people into the postal service?

Might not be a good idea to effectively give out the address of someone British and Christian in the current climate.

Make sure you don`t send them until Ramadan has finished. When my son was over there this time last year, one of the soldiers families sent a card and a holy war was nearly given against this soldier.

We sent a christmas cracker and luckly my son got rid of it before anyone saw it.

You know what guys , just don't go out of your way, Have a good holiday whenever it is.

POppins

Poppins, its a good idea, but perhaps do it through an aid charity instead like the red cross - don't they send food parcels etc? Mind you, are they still on strike?

Anyway, people do care, but they don't want to upset someone by sending a christmas card - you never know who will really get it. Send something else like food? - ask the aid charities on this one, i'm no expert on what to send.

didnt someone set up the "shoe box thing where you filled a shoe box full of things like chocolates, crayons, toothbrushes ? i think i remember someone doing it a few years ago

Hi poppins,

Excellent idea - can I suggest the following links that might provide a conduit for gifts?

http://www.britishlegion.org.uk/helpus/how_why.asp

http://www.veteransagency.mod.uk/textonly/links/q&a.htm

http://www.supportoursoldiers.co.uk/index.html (maybe out of date)

It's also possible that the press will organise something - several local newspapers in Scotland seem to have done this.

Joe

Originally posted by poppins
Lets send as many cards and letters to the boys over there, mine are all ready to go, i bought a full assorted box of cards, just wrote inside a BIG THANK YOU, from a friend.
Don't fall to sleep on this, start now.

You're assuming that we actually want to thank "the boys" in the first place. For what exactly?

Oh, I see, you're in America. It all makes sense now.

Have a nice day!

Originally posted by mojoworking
You're assuming that we actually want to thank "the boys" in the first place. For what exactly?

Oh, I see, you're in America. It all makes sense now.

Have a nice day!

Well firstly I'd like to thank them for putting their lives at risk for our country. If they didn't we'd have national service and I certainly wouldn't fancy going to war. And I'm almost positive you wouldn't last 20 seconds in Iraq. Maybe you should keep your stupid views to yourself. Try telling some of the family's who have lost loved ones you don't appreciate their efforts.

Originally posted by mojoworking
You're assuming that we actually want to thank "the boys" in the first place. For what exactly?

Oh, I see, you're in America. It all makes sense now.

Have a nice day!

Well, some of us do want to offer some sort of appreciation for what they're doing.

Whilst personally I do support the action of the Government with respect to Iraq, it should be possible for any of us to support the soldiers out there as a humanitarian gesture whatever your views on the war.

It's not just folks in the US that may wish to do this - that was a bit of a cheap shot!

Joe

Originally posted by JoePritchard
Well, some of us do want to offer some sort of appreciation for what they're doing.

Whilst personally I do support the action of the Government with respect to Iraq, it should be possible for any of us to support the soldiers out there as a humanitarian gesture whatever your views on the war.

It's not just folks in the US that may wish to do this - that was a bit of a cheap shot!

Joe

I would think that if anyone wants to show appreciation they should send a card to the respective battalions in the UK...not to Iraq.
My reasoning is that the postal service should not be swamped by well wishers whilst the soldiers in action will be waiting for post from their loved ones.

I would imagine that life is as bad as it can get for them to be away from their families without having cards from people they don't know arriving to clutter up their bergens.

A very nice gesture by the people to thank our troops and cheer them up.....but it can have an opposite effect in reality.

Originally posted by DerekH
I would think that if anyone wants to show appreciation they should send a card to the respective battalions in the UK...not to Iraq.
My reasoning is that the postal service should not be swamped by well wishers whilst the soldiers in action will be waiting for post from their loved ones.

I would imagine that life is as bad as it can get for them to be away from their families without having cards from people they don't know arriving to clutter up their bergens.

A very nice gesture by the people to thank our troops and cheer them up.....but it can have an opposite effect in reality.

Hi Derek,

Couldn't agree more...which is why I listed the links in a previous post.

People who've organised this sort of thing previously have the logistics in place to deal with getting stuff out there that doesn't screw up the mailing system.

Joe

Originally posted by J-Blaze
Well firstly I'd like to thank them for putting their lives at risk for our country. If they didn't we'd have national service and I certainly wouldn't fancy going to war. And I'm almost positive you wouldn't last 20 seconds in Iraq. Maybe you should keep your stupid views to yourself. Try telling some of the family's who have lost loved ones you don't appreciate their efforts.

This country was not at risk from Iraq, or anyone else for that matter, so they aren't really doing it for that reason.

Please don't behave like a schoolkid and call people "stupid" simply because they have a different view to you.

Originally posted by mojoworking
This country was not at risk from Iraq, or anyone else for that matter, so they aren't really doing it for that reason.

Please don't behave like a schoolkid and call people "stupid" simply because they have a different view to you.

So from your views you obviously supported Saddams regime and his actions. And your calling me the School kid? As for them not posing a threat to us, have you not heard that Chemical Weapons have been moved from Iraq since the start of the War?

Originally posted by mojoworking
This country was not at risk from Iraq, or anyone else for that matter, so they aren't really doing it for that reason.

Please don't behave like a schoolkid and call people "stupid" simply because they have a different view to you.

Irrespective of the irrelevance of Iraq not being a risk.
The troops don't have a say where they fight.......they are ordered by politicians to fight with the justification that it will make the UK a safer place..(not so but they try it!)

I do not agree with the war but have some thought for our lads who have to do the job they were sent to do.

A little compassion required here for the boys in action...and a lot less compassion for the idiots that sent them there in the first place.

Originally posted by DerekH
Irrespective of the irrelevance of Iraq not being a risk.
The troops don't have a say where they fight.......they are ordered by politicians to fight with the justification that it will make the UK a safer place..(not so but they try it!)

I do not agree with the war but have some thought for our lads who have to do the job they were sent to do.

A little compassion required here for the boys in action...and a lot less compassion for the idiots that sent them there in the first place.

I'm glad you can see this :rolleyes:

Originally posted by J-Blaze
So from your views you obviously supported Saddams regime and his actions. And your calling me the School kid? As for them not posing a threat to us, have you not heard that Chemical Weapons have been moved from Iraq since the start of the War?

This has been said many times before, but there was absolutely no reason for our troops to invade Iraq. He may have been a danger to those around him, but Saddam was absolutely no direct threat to the UK or the USA (and no, I didn't support him or his regime).

We all know the real reason for the invasion: big business, oil and maintaining the balance of power in the middle east. Humanitarian issues come a very long way down our list of priorities for the invasion. If the West really gave a damn about human rights, the troops would be far better off employed in Ethiopia and surrounding countries trying to save babies from starving to death. But there's no money or votes to be made from starving children, so it's left to the various charities to sort it out.

Of course I sympathise with the troops and wish them a safe return, but they are being used as pawns in this pointless war. All this cheap emotional stuff about Xmas cards and "our boys" is sinking to the level of The Sun. We'll be knitting them socks next!

Remember the Falklands (another pointless war) and the masthead on the Express (I think) which read "the paper that supports our boys", somehow implying that the other papers didn't and were therefore "disloyal".

Why would my son`s want to go to Ethopia to help the starving babies. Contraception would help them.

I know it`s sad but how much money would you like to give to them.

If you had any idea how the army works or the anger you cause to families that have had anyone serve in Iraq you perhaps would think twice.
You make me so angey as a mum of 2 son`s that went to Iraq, they wanted to join the army they new the risks and went but that does not mean we ignore what they do or critise what they do when they are the most professional armed forces in the world.
Be proud of that and do something for them. Even if you think it`s wrong you should still support them.

Originally posted by rosie
Why would my son`s want to go to Ethopia to help the starving babies. Contraception would help them.

I know it`s sad but how much money would you like to give to them.

If you had any idea how the army works or the anger you cause to families that have had anyone serve in Iraq you perhaps would think twice.
You make me so angey as a mum of 2 son`s that went to Iraq, they wanted to join the army they new the risks and went but that does not mean we ignore what they do or critise what they do when they are the most professional armed forces in the world.
Be proud of that and do something for them. Even if you think it`s wrong you should still support them.

Good to see you've got your priorities right. Sod the starving babies, let's protect all that lovely oil!

Originally posted by rosie
Why would my son`s want to go to Ethopia to help the starving babies. Contraception would help them.

Surely they'd get more nutrition out of rice and vegetables that lubricated prophylactics.

[i]

Remember the Falklands (another pointless war) and the masthead on the Express (I think) which read "the paper that supports our boys", somehow implying that the other papers didn't and were therefore "disloyal". [/B]
I remember the falklands war...I also lost my uncle there!

As for it being a pointles war, Argentine INVADED the Falklands!
What would you have rather seen the UK do....lay down and accept it????
Maybe the people in the falklands would have thanked us for leaving them to the Argentinians......Whats would have been next??? Gibralter?

With comments like these I take it that we shouldnt have an armed force.

Originally posted by mojoworking
Good to see you've got your priorities right. Sod the starving babies, let's protect all that lovely oil!
I agree with sod the starving!!! in Ethiopia. they have been given aid for as long as I can remember.

All they do is knock out kids then expect sympathy from the rest of the world!!!It is a no win situation...they don't want to do anything for themselves and you can't help those that don't want to help themselves....pointless effort

Originally posted by DerekH
I remember the falklands war...I also lost my uncle there!

As for it being a pointles war, Argentine INVADED the Falklands!
What would you have rather seen the UK do....lay down and accept it????
Maybe the people in the falklands would have thanked us for leaving them to the Argentinians......Whats would have been next??? Gibralter?

With comments like these I take it that we shouldnt have an armed force.

I believe the Falklands situation could have been resolved without going to war.

Careful Derek, your rabid patriotism is showing

Originally posted by smedley
Surely they'd get more nutrition out of rice and vegetables that lubricated prophylactics. What a comment.....If they used condoms they wouldnt need the food parcels as they would be able to sustain their needs without the thousands of kids they concieve annually

Originally posted by mojoworking
I believe the Falklands situation could have been resolved without going to war.
How?? The Argentinians declared war the moment they invaded.

Originally posted by DerekH
How?? The Argentinians declared war the moment they invaded.

Diplomacy perhaps?

Now for your information Mojoworking. Neither of my son`s went to protect the oil they never saw any, plently of other stuff you could not imagine but no oil. I am not talking about the Americans but the British soldiers out there.

If those in Ethopia learnt about contraception due you not think it would help them instead of always sending money. I am sick and tired of people asking me to send money to Africa. How much veg and rice do you want to send when they are daily increasing their population.

I look after my own and that includes my son`s when they went to Iraq.

Originally posted by rosie
Now for your information Mojoworking. Neither of my son`s went to protect the oil they never saw any, plently of other stuff you could not imagine but no oil. I am not talking about the Americans but the British soldiers out there.

If those in Ethopia learnt about contraception due you not think it would help them instead of always sending money. I am sick and tired of people asking me to send money to Africa. How much veg and rice do you want to send when they are daily increasing their population.

I look after my own and that includes my son`s when they went to Iraq.
I agree with your sentiments Rosie, It is also about time we as a country started looking after our own instead of trying to look after everybody else.

Contraception would not help Ethiopia as the expected life span is so short that people have to have lots of kids to make sure at least a couple survive, if you limit the number of births the population would probably die out altogether eventually.

If we worked to improve the chances of children surviving then parents would feel more confident about only having a couple of kids.

There are no tax credits in Ethiopia, so you don't get rewarded for having kids, like in this country, they do it out of neccessity.

I brought up 3 children before Tax Credits so don`t bother throwing that at me.

Originally posted by nick2
Contraception would not help Ethiopia as the expected life span is so short that people have to have lots of kids to make sure at least a couple survive, if you limit the number of births the population would probably die out altogether eventually.

If we worked to improve the chances of children surviving then parents would feel more confident about only having a couple of kids.

There are no tax credits in Ethiopia, so you don't get rewarded for having kids, like in this country, they do it out of neccessity.
What a lot of hog wash.......Anyone who knocks out kids that they cannot support is irresponsible...There are lots of countries where there are no benefits.......
Ethiopia has had the same problem since before I was born....No amount of money or aid will put things right!
If they can't be bothered to try and help themselves.....
It is just a bottomless pit........

There's some infantile stuuf in this thread. All the chemical weapons have been smuggled out into Syria and Iran have they? ha ha. After all the lies how can people fall for this guff? Scary .
If Chistmas is a time for good will we should be donating to buy medicines and equipment for Iraqi civilians as the UK and US are in breach of Geneva Convention in not providing security and basic medical care in a country they have occupied for over a year.
The fact that hospitals don't have painkillers and antibiotics to treat the wounded is a disgrace after all this time.

Originally posted by DerekH
What a lot of hog wash.......Anyone who knocks out kids that they cannot support is irresponsible...There are lots of countries where there are no benefits.......
Ethiopia has had the same problem since before I was born....No amount of money or aid will put things right!
If they can't be bothered to try and help themselves.....
It is just a bottomless pit........

Arn't you the guy who wanted to put all gay people on an island until they die ?

I'm getting a mental image of you now.

Hopefully I'll never meet you.

Originally posted by nick2
Arn't you the guy who wanted to put all gay people on an island until they die ?

I'm getting a mental image of you now.

Hopefully I'll never meet you.
Actually you have mis quoted my post......I said that people that are gay should be given an island to themselves.....With no procreation......we should get the island back after the next generation.....
A bit different than saying put them somewhere untill they die....

My post related to another post in which the word NORMAL was used to describe someone that was gay/Homosexual.

Originally posted by DerekH
Actually you have mis quoted my post......I said that people that are gay should be given an island to themselves.....With no procreation......we should get the island back after the next generation.....
A bit different than saying put them somewhere untill they die....

My post related to another post in which the word NORMAL was used to describe someone that was gay/Homosexual.

Aren't you the bloke with the little moustache and side parting?

Originally posted by smedley
Aren't you the bloke with the little moustache and side parting?

And only one knacker, by all accounts :thumbsup:

Originally posted by mojoworking
And only one knacker, by all accounts :thumbsup:

You must have me mistaken or someone else you know!!

Can we get the thread back on track? not too much to ask!

Yes lets get back to explaining why the starving people in Africa only have themselves to blame.

Originally posted by nick2
Yes lets get back to explaining why the starving people in Africa only have themselves to blame.
There is a thread already open regarding the state of Africa today.....please contribute there!

Let's get the thread back on track rather than :

a. re-hash arguments that have already been had in other threads
b. get in to a slanging match or 3.
c. Bring in extraneous stuff that is already being discussed.

It was a valid suggestion originally made, there have been pros and cons put.

If there's nothing more to be said about the 'substantive motion' then let's let it go and take the other discussions to teh relevant threads.

Joe

Originally posted by JoePritchard
Let's get the thread back on track rather than :

a. re-hash arguments that have already been had in other threads
b. get in to a slanging match or 3.
c. Bring in extraneous stuff that is already being discussed.

It was a valid suggestion originally made, there have been pros and cons put.

If there's nothing more to be said about the 'substantive motion' then let's let it go and take the other discussions to teh relevant threads.

Joe

Is that an order, or a suggestion?

I thought it was a good idea as some soldiers don`t have many people that write to them
I was only explaining what the difficulties were last year for my son`s when we tried to send Xmas stuff in Ramadam.

Originally posted by rosie
I thought it was a good idea as some soldiers don`t have many people that write to them
I was only explaining what the difficulties were last year for my son`s when we tried to send Xmas stuff in Ramadam.
I think it is an excellent idea.......if carried out the way Joe mentioned earlier with link provided.

Originally posted by mojoworking
Is that an order, or a suggestion?

It's a suggestion - I'd never even consider ordering any of the august members of this forum around.

I just think it's sad that so many threads here seem to end up as ******* matches.

Joe

Originally posted by JoePritchard
It's a suggestion - I'd never even consider ordering any of the august members of this forum around.

I just think it's sad that so many threads here seem to end up as ******* matches.

Joe

Gandolf speaks. :cool:

Now give it up you lot or I'll ask him to turn you all into Hobbits.

Originally posted by J-Blaze
Gandolf speaks. :cool:

Now give it up you lot or I'll ask him to turn you all into Hobbits.

Nah...don't want to be Gandalf, that's Geoff's job.

By disposition, outlook and the amount of hair on my feet I'm more of a Hobbit....:)

Anyone here do that thing were you write a letter to an undecided voter in America asking them to vote out Bush on your behalf.

If you're going to write one letter with the aim of helping the British army I think that is going to be the most effective, If I was being sent into the “triangle of death” purely to help bolster Bush’s campaign no amount of Christmas cards would cheer me up.

As long as British soldiers are still destroying generations by firing depleted uranium shells they certainly wont be getting a Christmas card from me letting them know , how proud i am of all the Iraq babies being born with birth defects because of them. But maybe that’s because i don’t get this whole patriotism thing.

to be honest while the sentiment was correct, when I was serving abroad the letters I wanted were the ones with news from those I loved.
Having said that, any extra pressies that came through were always well recieved - as long as we were confident of the sender (i.e. poisened sweets were once sent by a "well wisher").
As suggested use the links to make your donations and give them the best present of all at the next general election....

Sending out Christmas cards while civilians are exploding on the streets... I sense a few people with skewed perspectives here. Forgive me if sending a few pieces of paper with images of snowy landscapes and jolly old Father Christmas is the last thing I'm inclined to do.

Originally posted by Disco_Cat

As long as British soldiers are still destroying generations by firing depleted uranium shells they certainly wont be getting a Christmas card from me letting them know , how proud i am of all the Iraq babies being born with birth defects because of them. But maybe that’s because i don’t get this whole patriotism thing.

Its not partiotism you don't get - you've clearly been lucky enough to not have to do terrible things because it is your duty.
If you are incapable of seperating the politicians from the army top brass from the poor squaddy on the ground then you lack the power of empathy. Not a crime, but it makes you sound a little short sighted.

Originally posted by kilauea
Its not partiotism you don't get - you've clearly been lucky enough to not have to do terrible things because it is your duty.
If you are incapable of seperating the politicians from the army top brass from the poor squaddy on the ground then you lack the power of empathy. Not a crime, but it makes you sound a little short sighted.


The problem i have is i don’t understand how a soldier can fire a depleted uranium shell knowing it’s wrong but doing it anyway because they see it as their duty. Then people back home see the damage of what is being done in their name but they still support it because it’s their duty to support their country.

I have empathy but just can’t comprehend being a ‘poor squaddy’ and sacrificing my power to choose between right and wrong.

When does an action become so terrible that following orders and duty are no longer excuses.

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
The problem i have is i don’t understand how a soldier can fire a depleted uranium shell knowing it’s wrong but doing it anyway because they see it as their duty. Then people back home see the damage of what is being done in their name but they still support it because it’s their duty to support their country.

I have empathy but just can’t comprehend being a ‘poor squaddy’ and sacrificing my power to choose between right and wrong.

When does an action become so terrible that following orders and duty are no longer excuses.

Being a squaddy to an extent means you do sacrifice your power to choose between right and wrong. Do you think you would turn round and refuse do you? if you do then your right - you have absolutely no comprehension of what it is like to serve in the armed forces.

Do you think the soldier on the ground decides what ammunition he fires or even what ammo is supplied?

Your directing your anger, which is perfectly justified (and btw I agree with), at the wrong people. As I said, you need to seperate the roles out, and your target should be Geoff Hoon / MOD, not private soldiers.

The reason we should support them is because they are out there, as you rightly point out doing terrible things, so we don't have to. You would not be able to sit there having your say on the matter if it were not for those lads volunteering to do the crappy jobs you don't want to do. They will have to live with their conciences afterwards as I have mine. It's not pleasant and your lucky to not have to.

Sorry, I wish I could reply to all you Jane Fondas out there, too busy thinking what I can do for the troups.


Have a great week,

Poppins

I think their are two issues here, the hardest one is how much choice a soldier has in their own actions.

As you've said this is very little.
And with regard to firing a shell this was a very bad example because I admit the soldier on the ground has no control over the type of ammunition being used. And the situation they will be put in, the choice will most likely be between firing the shell or being killed by enemy fire.

This reminds me of a suicide note I read once from an Israeli conscript who had shot an unarmed pregnant lady, killing both the woman and her unborn child. He had followed orders to fire even though he could see no weapons and his superior officers had stopped him confessing what he had really happened, instead they blamed it on Palestinians.

It just seems dangerous to me that people put their morals in the hands of others when they as individuals pay the price with their conscious and as I've said before at what stage does an atrocity become so great that just following orders is no longer a valid excuse.

With regard to the final paragraph of your post is this a general reason why i should support the soldiers or is it specific to the current Iraq war?

I can’t see how British soldiers in Iraq have made me any safer, I was willing to accept that Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction capable of hitting Cyprus but this has proven to be utterly false. Far from making us safer i think we now risk a terrorist threat greater then before.

To achieve this state of affairs British armed forces have killed thousands of innocent Iraq civilians and many more will suffer disease and cancer because of us.

I feel very sorry for the British soldiers and especially their families, and i do regret it if these comments casue them distress but i cannot support what they are doing because i think this war is utterly wrong and we should not be fighting it.

Disco....Maybe you should realise that in combat....If a soldier refuses a direct order....He can be shot.
This may not be done as much as it used to be but The stigma that follows a soldier after being court marshalled and given a dishonourable discharge is one worse than death.

Being a team player and carrying out orders is the way of the armed forces, if everyone decided to do what they wanted to do...there would be chaos and ultimatley a lot of casualties.

You cannot go to war with insubordination.......it does not work!

As in the private sector.........you do things that you may not wish to do but do so because your job depends on you executing an order from an employer.
To refuse to work within your scope of employment is subject to dismissal for gross misconduct.

Need I say more?

Originally posted by DerekH
Disco....Maybe you should realise that in combat....If a soldier refuses a direct order....He can be shot.
This may not be done as much as it used to be but The stigma that follows a soldier after being court marshalled and given a dishonourable discharge is one worse than death.

Being a team player and carrying out orders is the way of the armed forces, if everyone decided to do what they wanted to do...there would be chaos and ultimatley a lot of casualties.

You cannot go to war with insubordination.......it does not work!

As in the private sector.........you do things that you may not wish to do but do so because your job depends on you executing an order from an employer.
To refuse to work within your scope of employment is subject to dismissal for gross misconduct.

Need I say more?

You're right. If you are going to go into armed combat, there is no point going in with a bunch of ethicists.

But on the other hand "I was only obeying orders" is not a sufficient defence in international law, as was discovered at Nürnberg"

Soldiers at the pointy end of things have a duty to disobey orders that are illegal under the geneva conventions. They might, for example, be ordered to break their rules of engagement under extreme circumstances and face a sympathetic court martial. But if they carried out the orders of a superior officer to, for example execute noncombatants, then their defence of obeying orders would not be sufficient.

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
You're right. If you are going to go into armed combat, there is no point going in with a bunch of ethicists.

But on the other hand "I was only obeying orders" is not a sufficient defence in international law, as was discovered at Nürnberg"

Soldiers at the pointy end of things have a duty to disobey orders that are illegal under the geneva conventions. They might, for example, be ordered to break their rules of engagement under extreme circumstances and face a sympathetic court martial. But if they carried out the orders of a superior officer to, for example execute noncombatants, then their defence of obeying orders would not be sufficient.
True...but collateral damage is always going to happen in a war.
as our troops are not being ordered to fire on noncombatants and do keep within the geneva convention, they have no right to disobey a command on the grounds that some innocent will get caught in the crossfire.
This is a fact of life.
In any war ..there will be people killed that are in the wrong place at the wrong time..If there is a fire fight happening outside your home, you do not go out to see who is shooting at who.

So from your views you obviously supported Saddams regime and his actions. And your calling me the School kid? As for them not posing a threat to us, have you not heard that Chemical Weapons have been moved from Iraq since the start of the War?


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The quote from J Blaze (above) is laughable...the Iraq war was for oil and us corporate gains and not Saddam's regime...why hasnt Bush gone to Zimbabwe to topple Mugabe who is equally as abhorrent as Saddam?!!

Originally posted by Tony_BLiar
So from your views you obviously supported Saddams regime and his actions. And your calling me the School kid? As for them not posing a threat to us, have you not heard that Chemical Weapons have been moved from Iraq since the start of the War?


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The quote from J Blaze (above) is laughable...the Iraq war was for oil and us corporate gains and not Saddam's regime...why hasnt Bush gone to Zimbabwe to topple Mugabe who is equally as abhorrent as Saddam?!!

And thats got to do with sending cards to soldiers in Iraq because?????

Originally posted by mojoworking
This country was not at risk from Iraq, or anyone else for that matter, so they aren't really doing it for that reason.

Please don't behave like a schoolkid and call people "stupid" simply because they have a different view to you.

Well its stupid people like you that mess about in sheffield saying NO TO WAR, well i say no to ungratefull people like you that have never been out there and dont know the score, and Iraq has never attacked us because of our multicultural soceity.

So you would say that the deployment of British Forces in Iraq is "in defence of the realm"?

Originally posted by DerekH
I agree with your sentiments Rosie, It is also about time we as a country started looking after our own instead of trying to look after everybody else. 100 % with you there, all we see is a begging bowl every time you turn on your tv,some one is making a good living out of this feed the world.....have you noticed that lately its changed from " the 3rd, world " to " the developing world " ? where was the support for the white african farmers that were feeding half of africa ? they were butchered and now because they arent there anymore there are no crops to provide for the people,plenty of empty worthless farms but no out put,mugabwi lives in a palace while his kingdom starves...end result.....we need aid.. they were given independance and failed with it..so why are we now obliged to give them aid your either in the market or you stand on your own two feet