View Full Version : R.I.P. Sally Clark


carcrash
17-03-2007, 05:31
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2036295,00.html
Tragic story and tragic end.

The_DADDY
17-03-2007, 05:49
I bet Roy Meadow wont lose any sleep over it:rant:

Eleke95
17-03-2007, 06:14
How sad. Can't begin to imagine what this poor lady went through. Losing 2 babies in tragic circumstances and then being blamed for the deaths. I hope she's at peace now.

hennypenny
17-03-2007, 08:02
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=442833&in_page_id=1770&ito=newsnow

May all those who drove Sally to this hang their heads in shame
By GEOFFREY WANSELL -

Last updated at 00:12am on 17th March 2007

The brutal truth is Sally Clark was killed by the law as surely as if she
had been sentenced to the gallows in the days of the death penalty. No
civilised society should allow itself to tolerate such behaviour towards a
mother whose only crime was to love her children - and do everything in her
power to protect them.................

pattricia
17-03-2007, 08:04
Ive followed this case from the beginning,and was a shock when I heard the news yesterday. Its unbelievable what this woman went through.

JoeP
17-03-2007, 08:07
This is a dreadful business; can I remind people to respect the feelings of this poor lady's family, and bear in mind that they have asked that the investigation and discussion of the cause of her death be left to the Coroner.

pattricia
17-03-2007, 08:08
This is a dreadful business; can I remind people to respect the feelings of this poor lady's family, and bear in mind that they have asked that the investigation and discussion of the cause of her death be left to the Coroner.



Certainly Joep.

Plain Talker
17-03-2007, 08:14
I'm so deperately sad to hear about Sally's death.

I agree with GW's comment in the DM article, that she was killed by the law, as surely as if she had been dragged to the gallows.

Not only did this woman lose her baby son, in tragic circumstances, but she had no chance, after the court case, to regain anything resembling a normal, family life with her husband and surviving son, despite having her name cleared.

I hope Roy Meadow can sleep easy in his bed, with Sally's death on his conscience.

JoeP
17-03-2007, 08:14
It is awful - I can't imagine what it is like for a mother to have such accusations made against her when they're untrue.

Perhaps the 'cult of the expert witness', especially in very emotive areas, is coming to an end and we need a professional service who's only job is to provide this input to the legal system.

The_DADDY
17-03-2007, 09:56
Perhaps the 'cult of the expert witness', especially in very emotive areas, is coming to an end and we need a professional service who's only job is to provide this input to the legal system.

I agree but as that would be the sensible thing to do you can rest assured it wont happen.
I hope the coroner nails the system and particualy Roy Meadow
to the nearest wall.

Hecate
17-03-2007, 10:03
...I hope the coroner nails the system and particualy Roy Meadow
to the nearest wall.
He was found guilty of serious professional misconduct and struck off. These were reversed later after appeal.

BoroughGal
17-03-2007, 10:03
Really, really sad news. RIP.

Ms Macbeth
17-03-2007, 10:07
What a loss to her family, her husband has had so much to bear already. I've felt sorry for this woman for so long, at least she won't be suffering any more.

The_DADDY
17-03-2007, 10:10
He was found guilty of serious professional misconduct and struck off. These were reversed later after appeal.

So they found him inept?
Then decided they were wrong????
Was he allowed to carry on practicing?

Twiglet
17-03-2007, 10:38
It is awful - I can't imagine what it is like for a mother to have such accusations made against her when they're untrue.

Perhaps the 'cult of the expert witness', especially in very emotive areas, is coming to an end and we need a professional service who's only job is to provide this input to the legal system.

I don't think that could ever happen. In certain areas there simply aren't enough cases a year to keep someone in full time employment and retain their skills level so they have other job related to that area (this is with particular reference to academics). There has been recent change though, the majority of expert witnesses are now registered with the Council for the Registration of Forensic Practitioners and have to go through a vetting process to gain this registration. They are also reassessed to ensure fitness to practise on a regular basis.

StarSparkle
17-03-2007, 11:59
Heartbreaking, just heartbreaking. It's so wrong for one person to have to bear so much pain. RIP

StarSparkle

katkin
17-03-2007, 12:47
Ive followed this case from the beginning,and was a shock when I heard the news yesterday. Its unbelievable what this woman went through.

Tragic and terrible. rip SC

baileys_mum
17-03-2007, 12:49
My thoughts are with her husband and family RIP

clogginchris
17-03-2007, 19:06
I worte this earlier today and was going to start a thread with it. Thought I'd post it anyway.

Imagine finding your baby boy dead

Imagine two years later, having another baby boy, and finding him not breathing

Imagine being arrested and charged with their murder, although you knew you hadn’t harmed them at all

Imagine being found guilty and locked up for life.

Imagine how the other inmates treated this baby killer in their midst

Imagine getting pilloried in the papers and described as a monster

Imagine only being able to see your third little boy once a month or once a week for three years

Imagine having your appeal turned down

Imagine eventually finding out that the pathologist had withheld vital evidence from the jury, and having your conviction quashed

Imagine how this poor woman’s family must feel now.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6460669.stm

Elmambo
17-03-2007, 21:03
It is awful - I can't imagine what it is like for a mother to have such accusations made against her when they're untrue.

Perhaps the 'cult of the expert witness', especially in very emotive areas, is coming to an end and we need a professional service who's only job is to provide this input to the legal system.

We must all hope so, but I fear not. Society has becme so intolertant, seeking only to " get ", some one rather than adopt a fair and reasoned approach.

This really is one of the most upsetting and heartbreaking things. Words fail me.

clogginchris
17-03-2007, 23:07
I never met Sally, but corresponded with her when she was in prison. She was a lovely woman.

One of the things that makes me angry about this case (and there were many!) was that the basic principle of British justice - innocent until proved guilty - was ignored in this and many other cases. There was virtually no evidence that Sally had killed her children. There was just no other explanation. Therefore she had to have done it.

I was so, so angry about her case. Now I'm just desperately sad. A little boy who lost his mum for 3 years of his life has now lost her forever.

Bonny
18-03-2007, 00:19
I'd just like to add my condolences this is very sad. My heart goes out to her family, particularly her husband and most especially her son who has to face a future knowing that the failure of the British justice system in this instance has deprived him of a loving mother.

There's more to be said but this isn't the time or the place. :(

whitewitch
18-03-2007, 10:44
very very sad, to loose your children is bad enough never mind getting blamed for their deaths. RIP:(

clogginchris
18-03-2007, 16:32
From the Sunday Mirror today

WHO KILLED SALLY CLARK?
18 March 2007

LOOKING back we should not be surprised Sally Clark is dead. Shocked, angry, horrified, bitter, chastened and ashamed. But not surprised.

Sally Clark, wife of a solicitor and daughter of a senior policeman, was wrongly convicted of murdering her two small sons and spent three years in jail before the law recognised it had make a ghastly mistake. Mrs Clark never recovered.

So who killed Sally Clark?

Not us, say Cheshire Police who investigated the deaths of her sons Christopher and Harry. They made lots of assumptions. She was a drinker, a depressive, she didn't want to lose her glamorous lifestyle.

Highly prejudicial. But proper evidence? There wasn't a shred. Yet we didn't kill her, it wasn't us. We didn't kill Sally Clark, say the police.

Who killed Sally Clark?

Not us, say the Crown Prosecution Service, whose job it is to rigorously examine the facts and decide whether they are good enough to bring charges. There was medical evidence, don't blame us if it was all wrong, opinionated and discredited. It wasn't our fault vital evidence was suppressed. Don't blame us. We didn't kill Sally Clark, say the CPS.

Who killed Sally Clark?

Not me, says Professor Sir Roy Meadow, the paediatrician expert witness called by the police. Yes, I did say there was a one-in-73million chance of two cot deaths in an affluent family. Rubbish said the Royal Statistical Society later, yet it helped sway the jury. After all, such an eminent man can't be wrong, can he? He was eventually discredited and struck off, but reinstated. Don't point the finger at Sir Roy. I didn't kill Sally Clark, it wasn't me, says Sir Roy.

Who killed Sally Clark?

Not me says the prosecution pathologist Alan Williams, who kept vital evidence of infection in Harry, Mrs Clark's second son, to himself. Six years after her conviction Williams was to be struck off the list of Home Office pathologists. But kill her? Not me, says Alan Williams. I didn't kill Sally Clark.

Who killed Sally Clark?

Not us say the judges in their legal wisdom and blood red robes. It was just unfortunate nobody exposed Professor Meadow and nobody pointed out there was no real evidence to convict. Don't blame the mighty Appeal Court that said the evidence against her was overwhelming when it was no such thing. Yes, the wheels of justice grind slow. That's why when the damning evidence not presented by Alan Williams was finally revealed, it took more than a year to bring the case back to court. Fifteen months in which Sally Clark remained locked up, mercilessly abused by fellow prisoners. But don't blame the majesty of the law, say the judges, shaking their wigs. We are The Law. We cannot be blamed. We didn't kill Sally Clark.

When she was finally released, an innocent woman, Sally Clark said: "Today is not a victory. There are no winners here. We have all lost out." We have indeed.

And poor, dead Sally Clark, who nobody killed, lost everything. Even, finally, her life.

Plain Talker
19-03-2007, 16:30
Just heard on the news that Sally's death has been recorded as due to "natural causes".

The cynic in me says "How 'natural' were the pressures and stresses this poor woman was put through in her wrongful conviction nad imprisonment?"

it makes me so steaming- angry that Meadow has shown no remorse for any part his hand had in this, from start to finish.

The_DADDY
20-03-2007, 05:29
Just heard on the news that Sally's death has been recorded as due to "natural causes".

The cynic in me says "How 'natural' were the pressures and stresses this poor woman was put through in her wrongful conviction nad imprisonment?"



About as natural as a bullet in the head:mad:
What must her family be feeling right now:sad: