Was in Spar in town today (opposite Llyods) when 2 burly looking fellas in tracsuits came in and proceeded to punch, kick and stamp on a likely lad who was standing at the checkout. The beating lasted a good 2 minutes and the staff just stood there and watched (think I heard one say 'can you take it outside lads').

They were stamping on his head, ribs and groin and they stole his watch before picking the guy up and throwing him out the door. This guy would have obviously had broken / cracked ribs, had an deep cut on his face and was barely able to stand.

Funny thing was, young student type guy outside ignored him and asked the slightly out of breath beaters if they were ok.

Thats why street crime levels have dropped - its all done indoors now!

Originally posted by HottyMcBuff
Was in Spar in town today (opposite Llyods) when 2 burly looking fellas in tracsuits came in and proceeded to punch, kick and stamp on a likely lad who was standing at the checkout. The beating lasted a good 2 minutes and the staff just stood there and watched (think I heard one say 'can you take it outside lads').

They were stamping on his head, ribs and groin and they stole his watch before picking the guy up and throwing him out the door. This guy would have obviously had broken / cracked ribs, had an deep cut on his face and was barely able to stand.

Ouch! Poor guy. Did you call the police? Did anyone? Are you going to give a statement. Could you give a description of the attackers? Were there any CCTV cameras watching?

In all of this- did YOU actually try and do anything??

there definatly are cctv cameras there, cos thats where and how they caught the guy that burgled.

Is this the Spar on ecclesall Road?

Alex

no, its on Division Street

Originally posted by HottyMcBuff
They were stamping on his head, ribs and groin and they stole his watch before picking the guy up and throwing him out the door. This guy would have obviously had broken / cracked ribs, had an deep cut on his face and was barely able to stand.

Funny thing was, young student type guy outside ignored him and asked the slightly out of breath beaters if they were ok.



Maybe they were just getting THEIR watch back! If that's the case then well done to them.:clap:

Originally posted by markham
Maybe they were just getting THEIR watch back! If that's the case then well done to them.:clap:

Are you really saying "well done" to two lowlife scumbags who resorted to beating the crap out of someone to settle a score?

*boggles*

:cool: i agree with markham,an eye for an eye,thats what i say

probably 2 druggies beating up another druggie who ripped them off...so who cares:)

Does not sound like a random attack, too well planned. They must have been following the guy for a while first......sounds like a drug related issue actually. Did the victim look ordinary or was he some kind of scar-faced old crackhead? Did he make a compliant when the attackers left or just scuttle off?

Originally posted by ptigga
Are you really saying "well done" to two lowlife scumbags who resorted to beating the crap out of someone to settle a score?

*boggles*

How do we know that the attackers were 'lowlife scum'?

How do we know the other lad wasn't a mugger who stole the watch in the first place and the other two weren't getting it back?

Why would they beat someone up IN a shop, possibly in front of CCTV, and with limited escape routes?

Why did they take the trouble to chuck him back out into the street afterwards?

If someone from the shop had intervened and the lad had gotten away, still with the watch, how would they have known whether they had assisted a mugger or not?

Why did the student type ask the two if they were OK? Maybe he saw the build-up prior to the beating?

So many 'ifs', 'maybes', and 'whys'.

So what I'm saying is, "IF the watch was stolen, MAYBE the two were just getting it back, and that is WHY they gave him a good kicking." IF that is the case, then he deserved it!

Originally posted by markham
How do we know that the attackers were 'lowlife scum'?

How do we know the other lad wasn't a mugger who stole the watch in the first place and the other two weren't getting it back?

Why would they beat someone up IN a shop, possibly in front of CCTV, and with limited escape routes?

Why did they take the trouble to chuck him back out into the street afterwards?

If someone from the shop had intervened and the lad had gotten away, still with the watch, how would they have known whether they had assisted a mugger or not?

Why did the student type ask the two if they were OK? Maybe he saw the build-up prior to the beating?

So many 'ifs', 'maybes', and 'whys'.

So what I'm saying is, "IF the watch was stolen, MAYBE the two were just getting it back, and that is WHY they gave him a good kicking." IF that is the case, then he deserved it!
IF you wanna CALL that a REASON :lol: :lol: :lol:

Doesnt this Spar have "doormen"...or is that just at night time?

Originally posted by goldenfleece
Does not sound like a random attack, too well planned. They must have been following the guy for a while first

Are you joking? Well planned?

Originally posted by Rossmeister
Are you joking? Well planned?
Unless they had X-Ray vision, then it would suggest that they knew he was in the queue before entering the store. The fact they jumped out of a van (as opposed to walking past) would also suggest they 'planned' a quick way of leaving the scene... what would you call it, if not planned?

Originally posted by Dirk Diggler
IF you wanna CALL that a REASON :lol: :lol: :lol:

Stolen watch + Getting caught = Good enough reason for a good kicking IMO!

Drugs issue + Disagreement = Hard lines!!!

it does sound planned to me, it was a deliberate thing, almost definitely in retaliation for an earlier event. did they get his wallet? phone? or just his watch?

Originally posted by markham
Stolen watch + Getting caught = Good enough reason for a good kicking IMO!

Drugs issue + Disagreement = Hard lines!!!
It was sarcasm - I wasn't agreeing or disagreeing with you mate :thumbsup:

Reading the responces to this awful incident makes me realise just how mad the world really is :(:(

Originally posted by Lindseyw
Reading the responces to this awful incident makes me realise just how mad the world really is :(:(

I totally agree Lindsey. Some poor guy gets beaten up. No-one knows why and everyone assumes that he must have deserved it; ergo the attackers were justified.

Talk about blaming the victim. There's a handful of posts in this thread that are even congratulating the attackers!

It's mad!

If you read the posts again you'll see that they refer to 'IF' the attack was retaliation for an earlier incident.

If not, then I'd be the first to offer my sympathy, but if he robbed, mugged or got involved in drug related dealings,......then he deserved it.

If someone nicked my watch, or I caught someone on behalf of a mugging victim, I wouldn't hesitate to give them a good kicking.

When my lads got mugged some time ago I would have loved to have seen the scum mashed up and in a skip where they belong. Even now I'd give my right arm to see them kicked!!!

Totally agree with Markham from the messages so far its hard to comment on but at the end of the day if the watch was on the wrist of the known mugger I would have done the same but it would have only needed to be me doing the kickin! My brother was mugged a few weeks ago 100 yards from his house by 3. Wacked on the back of the head and his wallet taken. The thing is he had £80 cash, yes stupid he knows, but what really did it for him was the sentimental card and photo of me and my son in there has gone too. It was good to know though that 2 lads picked my brother up and got him to hospital and even checked on his return home. Thanks to them whoever they are as for the muggers my brother did see all three of the faces and wont forget!!!

Originally posted by markham
How do we know that the attackers were 'lowlife scum'?

How do we know the other lad wasn't a mugger who stole the watch in the first place and the other two weren't getting it back?

Why would they beat someone up IN a shop, possibly in front of CCTV, and with limited escape routes?

Why did they take the trouble to chuck him back out into the street afterwards?

If someone from the shop had intervened and the lad had gotten away, still with the watch, how would they have known whether they had assisted a mugger or not?

Why did the student type ask the two if they were OK? Maybe he saw the build-up prior to the beating?

So many 'ifs', 'maybes', and 'whys'.

So what I'm saying is, "IF the watch was stolen, MAYBE the two were just getting it back, and that is WHY they gave him a good kicking." IF that is the case, then he deserved it!

so in your opinion its alright for anyone with a fair reason to kick the **** out of someone in a shop? If so you are a ****

Basically yes. As long as the reason is a fair one (IE. criminal caught in act). And if there were more ****s like me in the world, and less softies, then maybe the scum element might think twice before they act.

they are the scum element. That's the point

Originally posted by robbie
they are the scum element. That's the point

So what you're saying is that if someone sees a pensioner get mugged, they catch the mugger and give them a good kicking (as deserved) then the one giving the kicking is scum?

To me they are model citizens and are doing society a favour and deserve reward.

If I catch someone leaving my house with my possessions, I'll mame them. Guess I'm just scum!!!

I hardly equate walking into the Spar and kicking the living daylights out of someone (in full view of the customers including children) a decent thing to do. Yes defend your house. (and I agree beat the living daylights out of them if they are on your property)

but not in public

Thanks for the compliment robbieX
Just out of curiosity a straight yes or no have you ever been a victim of a severe act as this

And yes I agree with you not in public !

The fact they jumped out of a van (as opposed to walking past)



err at what point did hottymcbuff say they jumped out of a van.
Too many of you are assuming things.

what ever the lad had done or not done is it fair for two guys to beat the crap out of him.
the word cowards comes to mind.

reminds me of school bullies, cant fight unless youre with the gang.

Originally posted by giggles
Thanks for the compliment robbieX
Just out of curiosity a straight yes or no have you ever been a victim of a severe act as this

nope

A group of lads have just been locked up for a spate of robberies involving the use of a van. 4 of them carried out robberies over Hillsbourough, Crookes and Walkley. All have recieved 3 to 4 years. They looked about 16-18.

I couldnt understand the van part either tara and as for cowards thats why i said " it would have only needed to be me doing the kickin!"

Robbie I thought that might be the answer but unfortunately upon becoming a victim reactions and opinions change. I hope you never have to change either.

Originally posted by giggles
I couldnt understand the van part either tara and as for cowards thats why i said " it would have only needed to be me doing the kickin!"

Robbie I thought that might be the answer but unfortunately upon becoming a victim reactions and opinions change. I hope you never have to change either.

don't get me wrong, the law is an ass. The police are next to useless and we have little in the way of self defence that we can use. It was more the public part. It doesn't sound like revenge for a robbery (maybe drugs). If they had a poblem then don't sort it out in public.

Like I said robbie I agree with you on the public part especially the children as my son was once witness to this ! In private, one to one!

I agree that the 'public' part of it is bad. Bad for the bystanders.

Trouble is that if you catch the mugger, rapist, whatever, in a public place you can hardly ask them to accompany you somewhere more private.

The idea of giving these vermin a good kicking still stands in my eyes though. Why not, nobody else is going to sort them.

Agreed......... What is important though is what the victim did after the attack.
Did he take his hook as soon as he was able to or was an ambulance called.
If he shot off then its likely that he has offended and that was a vigalanty attack.
Geoff, who mentioned the van, you were the first to point it out ?.
It does change the scinario a bit if a van was used.
They could have followed him but they would have got him earlier if that was the case, or someone may have followed him on foot and alerted the van to his whereabouts.
But I still agree if he was a mugger then he got what he deserved.
The police would have been soft on this low life.
If he was an inocent bystander then they have committed a serious crime in my book and should be caught ASAP.

oooooookay

Just to clear up a few things....

No van was used, these guys came running from behind the italian restaurant which is next to Llyods.

The guy they picked on did look a bit of a waster but can't really say if he was a 'druggie' or what not.

The extent of my action was to watch the scuffle from behind the jammy dodgers. It never entered my mind to go wading in as I would have inevitably been floored by these 2, very large men who were on a specific mission to batter this guy.

I did not call the police or give statement as I felt that responsibility lay with the guy who got beaten up or the staff at the shop. Someone was talking the injured party and so I assumed he would be ok or looked after.

This is the kind of world we live in. I would like to think that I would do something about a fight when I see one, as the moral high ground standers tell me I should, but situations usually do not allow this. I would have done something for the injured guy as I have first aid knowledge but I was not about to go wading in to the middle of a volatile situation. First thing a paramedic does before treatment of a patient starts is asses the situation for danger. And to me, it looked dangerous.

Right, this is what gets me. Not wether it was right/wrong, the motive etc etc.

But what kind of planned attack would have the thought "right, we'll wait just until he goes in a shop, where there's sure to be lots of CCTV cameras and do him there"

Surely a more planned attack would have been to wait until he went round a quiet corner etc?

Oh yeah, and my earlier point, there's always security guards on the door at that Spar…..where were they?

Originally posted by HottyMcBuff

I did not call the police or give statement as I felt that responsibility lay with the guy who got beaten up or the staff at the shop. Someone was talking the injured party and so I assumed he would be ok or looked after.

This is the kind of world we live in. I would like to think that I would do something about a fight when I see one, as the moral high ground standers tell me I should, but situations usually do not allow this.

All you had to do was call the police on your mobile and tell them that there was a fight in the spar. Could they please attend quickly. You should also have given your name as a witness.

That's all. This poor guy was assaulted and brutally beaten in front of plenty of witnesses (i.e you), yet the people who beat him will get away with it because none of the witnesses (i.e. you) were willing to come forwards.

Originally posted by ptigga

That's all. This poor guy was assaulted and brutally beaten in front of plenty of witnesses (i.e you), yet the people who beat him will get away with it because none of the witnesses (i.e. you) were willing to come forwards.

Exactly !! Nobody is in a position to judge what the events leading up to this assault were but somebody should have & could have helped. Maybe the guy was the baddie .... but does anyone knopw that 100 % ?? No, I didn't think so.
I cannot believe that people judge the beaten guy & assume he was in the wrong.
:confused:

If you ask me this thread sums up a lot of what's wrong with Sheffield.

1. There are violent thugs who beat people up
2. There are people who applaud those violent thugs for what they did
3. There are people who would readily be violent thugs themselves if the occasion arose.

Hardly a great advert for the city, eh? Perhaps that's why it'll never be a decent place to live for people like me who just dislike all forms of violent thuggery, full stop.

ahem....violence in Sheffield is very low compared to other major UK cities.

I feel miles safer walking the streets of Sheffield at night than I would Liverpool or Leeds or Birmingham etc.

You've got to get things in perspective sometimes. There's always going to be "bad" people about...but Sheffield has less than alot of places.

Why should I have called the police? He may have been an upstanding member of the community or he may have been dealer getting a beating. He may have wanted the police, he may not. Had I stood there, on my phone to the police whilst this was happening I would have likely had my phone taken from me and smashed. Had I waited till it was all over and everyone had dispersed then when the police arrived they would have found nothing but a couple of shaken up desk clerks in spar. The guy would not have pressed any charges anyway for fear of retaliation and it would have all have been a monumental waste of police time. We can all moan about the state of violence in this country and that we all should all be trying to do something about it, but the nature of the beast is that there is nothing that we can do apart from watch it happen and try not to get caught up in it.

'All you had to do was call the police on your mobile and tell them that there was a fight in the spar. Could they please attend quickly. You should also have given your name as a witness.'

You are wearing blinkers if you think that this is how things work. Police may have been there within 2 minutes, or they more likely would have turned up 20 minutes later. Statements could have been taken and charges of disturbing the peace pressed, but whilst all this is happening i am being watched by these very same thugs who wait for the police to leave and then let me know why I shouldn't have called them in the first place.

Originally posted by HottyMcBuff
The guy would not have pressed any charges anyway for fear of retaliation and it would have all have been a monumental waste of police time

how on EARTH could you possibly know this ??? Did you ask him while he was lying on te ground being pummled ???? I think not.

Sorry to see you were caught up in a situation like this.

As for beating someone in a public place, the people carrying out the attack were not concerned about your safety or anyone elses.

No need for it !

I'm suggesting it was planned but very badly. If you can follow a guy to Spar then why not follow him home or to somewhere quiet with less eye witnesses and no CCTV cameras? Although I do not agree with what has happened (bearing in mind that we do not know the actual circumstances of the attack), the perpetrators deserve to get caught for being so god damn stupid!

Originally posted by Lindseyw
how on EARTH could you possibly know this ??? Did you ask him while he was lying on te ground being pummled ???? I think not.

actually, yes I did.

'would you mind awfully lads if i just broke you up for one moment... thanks. Now young sir, can i ask you if you are currently thinking of pressing charges against these two bonehead brutes? You are! Oh jolly good. OK, carry on lads, I'm off to call the rozzers'

Originally posted by HottyMcBuff
actually, yes I did.

'would you mind awfully lads if i just broke you up for one moment... thanks. Now young sir, can i ask you if you are currently thinking of pressing charges against these two bonehead brutes? You are! Oh jolly good. OK, carry on lads, I'm off to call the rozzers'

I call your bluff, Mr McBuff!

Thes shops apart from CCTV have panic buttons which staff are only too keen to press. Find the attutude of the person who posted this almost as depressing as the violence portrayed. What@s the point of posting it. What happened to the guy. Did you call an ambulance? Serious injuries obvious but no end to this story. Er crime rates will only be there if people liek you do nothing then think its al very entertaining. Hope nothing happens to you kid.
If you're .exagerrateing or fabricating it's evenworse

Sorry folks Did i miss something? When did "The HottyMcbuff Trial" begin?:confused: :( :confused: :(

Originally posted by ThePiglit
Thes shops apart from CCTV have panic buttons which staff are only too keen to press. Find the attutude of the person who posted this almost as depressing as the violence portrayed. What@s the point of posting it. What happened to the guy. Did you call an ambulance? Serious injuries obvious but no end to this story. Er crime rates will only be there if people liek you do nothing then think its al very entertaining. Hope nothing happens to you kid.
If you're .exagerrateing or fabricating it's evenworse

Depressed?

Would you like a hug?

Originally posted by HottyMcBuff
oooooookay

Just to clear up a few things....

No van was used, these guys came running from behind the italian restaurant which is next to Llyods.

The guy they picked on did look a bit of a waster but can't really say if he was a 'druggie' or what not.

The extent of my action was to watch the scuffle from behind the jammy dodgers. It never entered my mind to go wading in as I would have inevitably been floored by these 2, very large men who were on a specific mission to batter this guy.

I did not call the police or give statement as I felt that responsibility lay with the guy who got beaten up or the staff at the shop. Someone was talking the injured party and so I assumed he would be ok or looked after.

This is the kind of world we live in. I would like to think that I would do something about a fight when I see one, as the moral high ground standers tell me I should, but situations usually do not allow this. I would have done something for the injured guy as I have first aid knowledge but I was not about to go wading in to the middle of a volatile situation. First thing a paramedic does before treatment of a patient starts is asses the situation for danger. And to me, it looked dangerous.
And another quote"I did not call the police or give statement as I felt that responsibility lay with the guy who got beaten up or the staff at the shop. Someone was talking the injured party and so I assumed he would be ok or looked after."

Based on the evidence so far, of which some I have included for those of you who only read half of the post, I think you are judging the defedant harshly. IMO HottyMcBuff could see the situation to be in hand before leaving. I think you would be right piggy to acuse someone of enjoying entertainment had they stayed!

And on my final note I would like to wish HottyMcBuffy all the best of luck for the future in your career as a trainee paramedic and I am sure on qualyfying in that profession you wont hold a grudge should piggy need assistance at anytime in the future.
;)

on a similar tact - every so often you get reports in the press of people being stabbed in the butt cheek? Whats that all about then? Its not the most obvious place to stab someone...

Originally posted by giggles


And on my final note I would like to wish HottyMcBuffy all the best of luck for the future in your career as a trainee paramedic and I am sure on qualyfying in that profession you wont hold a grudge should piggy need assistance at anytime in the future.
;)

Awww! It's very nice of you to stick up for Mr McBuff. There were all these people standing around watching other forum members lay into him for being so callous and uncaring; and you step right in and help him out.

It's good to know that there's still a sense of charity in the world.

Originally posted by HottyMcBuff
Why should I have called the police? He may have been an upstanding member of the community or he may have been dealer getting a beating. He may have wanted the police, he may not. Had I stood there, on my phone to the police whilst this was happening I would have likely had my phone taken from me and smashed. Had I waited till it was all over and everyone had dispersed then when the police arrived they would have found nothing but a couple of shaken up desk clerks in spar. The guy would not have pressed any charges anyway for fear of retaliation and it would have all have been a monumental waste of police time. We can all moan about the state of violence in this country and that we all should all be trying to do something about it, but the nature of the beast is that there is nothing that we can do apart from watch it happen and try not to get caught up in it.

'All you had to do was call the police on your mobile and tell them that there was a fight in the spar. Could they please attend quickly. You should also have given your name as a witness.'

You are wearing blinkers if you think that this is how things work. Police may have been there within 2 minutes, or they more likely would have turned up 20 minutes later. Statements could have been taken and charges of disturbing the peace pressed, but whilst all this is happening i am being watched by these very same thugs who wait for the police to leave and then let me know why I shouldn't have called them in the first place.

I believe that you should have called the police (but its often very difficult in that kind of situation) How can you make a distinction that the victim looks dodgy? If it was a woman being raped would you have intervened?

I would not have stayed to be a witness though. Too much hassle and little protection

The problem with gettting involved is that you often will get arrested yourself. I know people who have been charged with assault for stopping a beating on more than one occasion. Police can only go on facts

Fact : Unless you know how or what the incident was I don't see how people could possibly jump to all these conclusions that have appeared on this thread.. :suspect:

Has anyone ever been a victim of such an attack ?? Well I tell you its not the most pleasant feeling in the world. I think the guy was lucky to get away with the evil beating that he got what with the recent stabbings and shootings that we tend to hear and read about! I was not so lucky in my case..

Im not pointing individual statements on this thread, just noticed a few 'stupid' posts saying he must have done this or they should'nt have done that..

In my instance I could have been the provoker, I was lucky enough move around to find someone to help me before I finally collapsed in heap.. He didn't cast judgement on me, just a decent person helping another, he could have just left me there after all.. I wish I knew who the guy was, I owe him my gratitude..

I agree, its not always a good thing to get involved in such incidents.. Involvement, such as statements etc is a purely personal decision to make.. No one should condemn you for decision.

Never assume anything.. :rant:

I still cant believe the attitude of the shop owners.
take it outside lads.-whats that all about.
they should have been the first to ring the police.
god im just imagining if one of my lad's was in that spar and someone pounced on him and beat him up, and all that was said was."can you take it outside lads".
It does'nt bare thinking about.

:blush: Please tiggy your making me blush
:gag: callous and uncaring??? No just naive:o


Quote from tiggy "Find the attutude of the person who posted this almost as depressing as the violence portrayed."

I think the original point of this thread was "thats why street crime levels have dropped - its all done indoors now!"

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Internetowl
on a similar tact - every so often you get reports in the press of people being stabbed in the butt cheek? Whats that all about then? Its not the most obvious place to stab someone...

I imagine it makes sitting down unbearable for a while and is probably the best target for someone who only wants to hurt their victim - the modern gang warfare equivalent to a slap no doubt!