I read with some amusement the following report and wonder what this world is coming to.

Pet owners have been warned that they could be held responsible for the racist actions of their animals under Britain's anti-hate legislation.

This warning came after astonishing scenes at a English magistrates court earlier this week. "Trigger", a former brewery dray horse of some 12 years but who now entertains children who are able to pet him and ride on him at fetes and fairs was brought before the court for alleged racist behaviour, namely that on April 1st this year, "Trigger" did cause a racially aggravated assault by rearing up on his hind legs and throwing to the ground Ali Khan at a country fair at Follyton near Luton, Beds.

Is it just me or are we now living in a mental society?

When you read this report Derek, did you believe it?

Well Derek, poor old Trigger can't be expected to know that he should only throw white kids off his back, perhaps the Horse should be given more time to become racially aware. Maybe the kid said something hurtful to poor old trig...like "glue factory" thus enshuring himself of a firm but non playful chuck off the back. Although I suspect it has more to do with Roy Rogers, yes that's it, a long dead cowboy still haunts the horses past and seeing an indian caused him to rear up to his full height and want to form a posse all over again.

I know this is all crap, but you started it. :heyhey:

"Follyton" eh?.

Nope, Can't find it.

This is hilarious.

A quick search on this shows that the only source for it is the BNP website.

Obviously what has happened is that someone has sent this completely spurious story to the BNP, and the Nazis were so busy spluterring "Jesus, you couldn't make it up", that they completely failed to notice that someone had.

There were a few pointers. Apart from the fact that it's obviously wrong, there is the reference to "Follyton", and the animal behaviourist "Dr Doolitle", but irony is in short supply over at Hitler Towers.

What the scammers would want is for the BNP to fall for it, publish it, then to have it's more stupid followers cut and paste it over discussion boards, thereby bringing the BNP even more ridicule. Of course, that could never happen.

Originally posted by Toby
When you read this report Derek, did you believe it?
No...I actually picked up the same faults as most of you have...as I said...It did give me some amusement......
And it caused me to resign as a candidate for the BNP which is official from today.

Stories like this one not only make the BNP look like idiots but gullible ones too.

Originally posted by DerekH
And it caused me to resign as a candidate for the BNP which is official from today.
Well done Derek! :thumbsup: Lets hope plenty of others see the light too!

So we can all have a good laugh before the BNP remove it from the web site - here is the article for posterity!

See if you can spot all the spoofs :D. I personally liked Major Brittan - Black Watch. :clap:

From the BNP Website (http://www.bnp.org.uk <BROKE LINK> news/2004_oct/news_oct33.htm)
Court warning on "racist pets"

22nd October 2004
Pet owners have been warned that they could be held responsible for the racist actions of their animals under Britain's anti-hate legislation.

This warning came after astonishing scenes at a English magistrates court earlier this week. "Trigger", a former brewery dray horse of some 12 years but who now entertains children who are able to pet him and ride on him at fetes and fairs was brought before the court for alleged racist behaviour, namely that on April 1st this year, "Trigger" did cause a racially aggravated assault by rearing up on his hind legs and throwing to the ground Ali Khan at a country fair at Follyton near Luton, Beds.

"Rides for whites only" claim

The court heard how the eleven year suffered some bruising but because "Trigger" had happily given rides to youngsters from the white english community at the fair only to throw off Master Khan, it was alleged by the prosecution that "Trigger" had clearly behaved in a racist and offensive manner, causing the Khan family to suffer low self-esteem and claims of being ridiculed following the attack. They sought compensation from the "Bedfordshire Equine Association for Retired Drays" for hurt feelings, and being victims of a unprovoked hate-crime.

Co-accused, "Trigger's" owner, BEARD's secretary, Major Brittan (Black Watch-retd ) was called to the dock and provided evidence that "Trigger" was not a hater. With emotion in his voice the octogenarian major who had seen action in Tripoli during the Second World War said that the now notorious horse "loves all children", allowing photographs of "Trigger" at the Dunstable Gala, and the Woburn village summer carnival to be passed around as exhibits. He suggested that a flash camera used by Khan's parents had caused alarm to "Trigger" by which he did rear up. "Trigger" had no intention of assaulting the young boy, he added and the accused had no idea about the ethnic origin of the riders who mount his saddle.

Tip of the iceberg

Mohammed Iqbal prosecuting, said that the news of the incident had appeared in the local newspaper and following the fair, other Muslim parents had contacted him with similar stories. There appears to be institutionalised racism within the equine world and he further suggested that retired shire horses are in particular prone to hate-crimes. Iqbal told the magistrate that "they (Shires) adopt an aristocratic English, arrogant and superior stance no doubt still thinking they live in a world of privilege, superior to horses of other races and contemptuous of those they view as being different". He dismissed the photographs of Trigger posing with Muslim children as "unconvincing forgeries" as there is no significant community of Pakistanis in Woburn he added.

Happier days (taken- June 1998 ). "Trigger" (on left) in action working for his former brewery family masters.
{Photo of Shire Horse pulling a dray should be here}

He called on the bench to set an example to horses everywhere that such behaviour has no place in today's much celebrated and harmonious diverse society and that if any horse or other animal caused suffering to a member of society's ethnic communities, such action would not go unpunished.

Shock at sentence

The court was adjourned for lunch, after which the Magistrate Rebecca Rosenthal announced that the bench, following deliberation over a "singularly spectacular lunch" at Boozy Rouge's in town had found Trigger guilty of racially aggravated assault and declining a custodial sentence due to lack of adequate Prison facilities for horses, she imposed 100hrs community service working in the Muslim communities of Luton until such racist behaviour had been eradicated and that a strong message of non-tolerance of hate behaviour was to be delivered to the equine world.

Awarding costs and damages of £8,500 to the Khan family for suffering from "equine hate", Rosenthal went on to say "Trigger's" advanced age was no barrier to punishment and she said she would be writing to the world-famous animal psychologist Dr. Doolittle who lives near Dunstable to initiate a "race awareness programme" among both working and retired horses who have contact with children.

She deferred verdict on Trigger's owner, Major Brittan pending background social and psychiatric reports.

PS: An 11 year old primary schoolboy was arrested and charged with "racism" in the Scottish Borders town of Innerleithen last weekend. He will now face the Children's Panel. Councillor Shami Khan, who is also a member of the Edinburgh Pakistani Society, welcomed the police action against the boy. Who is smiling now? [/B]

Originally posted by Tony
Well done Derek! :thumbsup: Lets hope plenty of others see the light too!
Thank you Tony,

I am waiting to see if they retract the story from the website as I have given them a few things to think about!...
You must admit!! the story has merit as a childrens TV drama with a talking horse.

Anyone notice the April 1st Give away????

It's totally priceless Derek! :hihi:

It's unbelievable that they fell for this and published it. As if you could try an animal in a court of law:loopy:

This is a classic :thumbsup:

I did wonder if they wrapped his hooves up in rags so as not to make a noise on the court floor, same as the story about the coal mans horse and the wo............never mind that would get me banned :suspect:

Originally posted by DerekH
No...I actually picked up the same faults as most of you have...as I said...It did give me some amusement......
And it caused me to resign as a candidate for the BNP which is official from today.

Stories like this one not only make the BNP look like idiots but gullible ones too.

wtg Derek, for whatever reasons, it's the right thing to do. It continually proves itself to be the party for the hard of thinking, which is not a trait I would associate you with.

Derek, I think you thought this was real when you first posted it.

Nice one Derek, welcome back from the darkside.:clap:

Originally posted by carcrash
Derek, I think you thought this was real when you first posted it.
No M8!
I read it....Then contacted the BNP with my resignation and told them what idiots they were...then posted it on here as a source of entertainment........I read a lot of the rubbish that they post on the website but have never thought to post anything so ridiculouse.

I hang my head in shame for ever standing when they publish stories as unbelievabe as this one..

Not only am i disgusted at the way in which the story was aimed at the gullible but also at what it makes the candidates that stand for these plonkers look like as well.

As a lot of the users in here know, I stood to try and get something done in my area......I thought standing for a party would have its advantages but alas.....I will be standing as an independent in the next council elections......
as All the parties peddle lies and drivel...not just the bnp.

But this is no different from the other ****e that the BNP come out with. Are you going to run as an independent BNP candidate.

Deary me. What shall I do about my English Bull Terrier that has taken a dislike to a Jewish neighbour of mine? I know, I'll rename her a Multicultural Bull Terrier and give her a copy of Searchlight to read. Someone's having a laugh here!

My dog doesn't like Chinese...






















He loves curry's though!

What about Paris Hilton... She's a racist dog.

Originally posted by carcrash
But this is no different from the other ****e that the BNP come out with. Are you going to run as an independent BNP candidate.
I am in a between moment of whether it is worth representing anyone.
My experience tells me that the people in Sheffield are fed up with the main steam parties but also could't be bothered to vote for anyone unless they were part of a party.

An independent BNP candidate???

I stand for all the things that are not worthy of any parties

Truth Justice and local issues.
I am losing my faith in doing what I do and would love to return to an attitude of....I dont care.

That way! I can become accepted into a society where people don't give a ****!!!

I am doing that now and will be like the masses......take all the crap and whinge... without actually saying anything.

Originally posted by draggletail
It's unbelievable that they fell for this and published it. As if you could try an animal in a court of law:loopy:

there are actually numerous examples of animals being tried in english courts. The most recent i believe was a monkey that was tried and convicted of spying in Hull during the 2nd world war.

Originally posted by DerekH
I read with some amusement the following report and wonder what this world is coming to.

Pet owners have been warned that they could be held responsible for the racist actions of their animals under Britain's anti-hate legislation.

This warning came after astonishing scenes at a English magistrates court earlier this week. "Trigger", a former brewery dray horse of some 12 years but who now entertains children who are able to pet him and ride on him at fetes and fairs was brought before the court for alleged racist behaviour, namely that on April 1st this year, "Trigger" did cause a racially aggravated assault by rearing up on his hind legs and throwing to the ground Ali Khan at a country fair at Follyton near Luton, Beds.

Is it just me or are we now living in a mental society?

WTF?! Could be a new branch of teh BNP, British National Pets.... :lol:

Seriously though it sounds stupid to me.

Originally posted by Rich
WTF?! Could be a new branch of teh BNP, British National Pets.... :lol:

Seriously though it sounds stupid to me.
And this is one of the reasons i am leaving politics

Originally posted by Cyclone
there are actually numerous examples of animals being tried in english courts. The most recent i believe was a monkey that was tried and convicted of spying in Hull during the 2nd world war.
This is barking (pun intended!) animals don't understand laws, so they certainly wouldn't know if they broke one, so could not be held accountable, and punishing an animal for breaking a law would surely be 'animal cruelty' which we all know is a (criminal?) offence:loopy:
Tell me you're pulling my leg, Cyclone:D
I've fallen for it, haven't I:D

Originally posted by Cyclone
there are actually numerous examples of animals being tried in english courts. The most recent i believe was a monkey that was tried and convicted of spying in Hull during the 2nd world war.
was the monkey british???

Originally posted by DerekH
was the monkey british???

No French!

Hangus The Monkey!

Hung in Hartlepool for being a spy! Oh that was the Napoleonic War!

Originally posted by alexdave67
No French!

Hangus The Monkey!

Hung in Hartlepool for being a spy! Oh that was the Napoleonic War!
<<Sad!! the only monkeys I know at present are in the sheffield Council.....OMG the laws have changed...Or Have they???

Under the new human rights issues...THey are interlectual beings that require your respect.....and money...no matter what..!!!
Consider them spies at your own peril!!
I have tonight phoned in to the MOD to offer my services....I am well versed in how to blow up anything with anything....However! after being blown up myself on one occasion in Oshokati!...They don't need my expertise.

Nice to be remembered in one way....but I would like to go out in a blaze of glory...

actual e'mail to the BNP!!!


Herewith...My resignation as the first candidate to stand in Sheffield.
My reasons?? You may well ask! Is the website that gives out stories that are pure rubbish!! please read the pets story!

Not only is this a piece of total crap but also shows up the intelligence of the very people that stand for the BNP!

May I state that After working many hours to go forward with the BNP the comments/stories on the website clearly wipe out all credibility that we had here in Sheffield.

I for 1 will be going independent from next year......and believe me! I will!! do damage to the BNP in Sheffield on the grounds that you are a pathetic bunch of gullible idiots that are preying on peoples fears with stories that are far from the truth!!
You do not give facts nor do you check stories before you publish!!
I hang my head in shame for ever standing for a bunch of insignificant assholes as yourselves.

Hope you print this one as I will be campaigning with your website bull****....for childrens tv!!!with a horse named trigger that also talks crap like yourselves.
Regard
Derek Hutchinson ...Handsworth Ward..(formerly)

I hope that should I meet an unforseen demise in my health that at least you all have read what I have stated herein

Well done for leaving the racist, lying, bigotted BNP! :clap:
Does this mean that you will no longer support the racist parties in South Africa?

P.S. Royjames, please don't bother sending another of your PMs accusing me of being hostile. As you claim to know where I live, maybe you could just do the usual BNP thing and put some dog poo through my letter box instead.

Hoho, not only have the dopey BNP not removed it from the website, they have actually published another story since (a load of cobblers about Britain being 50% black by 2050)

Obviously they think the story about Trigger is OK! I hope this little nugget stays on the website - it's a corker :D

Originally posted by DerekH
No...I actually picked up the same faults as most of you have...as I said...It did give me some amusement......
And it caused me to resign as a candidate for the BNP which is official from today.

Stories like this one not only make the BNP look like idiots but gullible ones too.

Derek, I applaud your decision. What made you have a change of heart? It did seem to me that your personal views conflicted with thiers.

:clap: :thumbsup:

Originally posted by alexdave67
My dog doesn't like Chinese...

He loves curry's though!

He loves curry's what?

Sorry, even if you'd spelled that correctly it still wouldn't have been funny

Originally posted by DerekH
No...I actually picked up the same faults as most of you have...as I said...It did give me some amusement......
And it caused me to resign as a candidate for the BNP which is official from today.

Stories like this one not only make the BNP look like idiots but gullible ones too.


I’ve not finished reading this post.

But can i offer you my congratulations on a very sensible decision.

This is a very unique post for me.


I’m about to discuss the BNP on a non related thread without annoying anyone.


Derek as you know because I’ve said it too you before i think you will be a very credible Independent candidate. I think the current political climate is perfect you to stand as an Independent and the posts on this thread are evidence of how different the reaction to you will be now you have dropped the association with the BNP.

I think you should stand with your pledge to donate 50% of your salary to the local hospital, if an independent in Hartlepool can win a seat from Labour on similar grounds it should be possible in Sheffield and as an Independent their will be no issue with the hospital accepting your money.

A word of warning is to watch the material the BNP publish about you. In the past when popular local candidates have left the party to stand as Independent they have still tried to credit their name with that person in an attempt not to loose faith.

I think now you should stop reading this and phone the Star about doing an interview denouncing the BNP, you should take advantage of all the publicity you can!

Again i think you’ve made a very wise decision.

i used to live in South Africa where the whites were notoriously racist. we knew one family that called there puppy dog kaffa (dunno if thats the spelling) which is there word for n***er. the company wanted a non racist image so forced them to change it to just K. the thing is that although its name was no longer racist, it was a friendly dog, until a black person walked past, then would would go mad and go for him.

Well done Derek mate!

Stick with your beliefs, but stay clear of the 'extremists'.:clap:

Originally posted by markham
Well done Derek mate!

Stick with your beliefs, but stay clear of the 'extremists'.:clap:
I will be doing just that!...Thanks for the support.

Disco Cat!...I will not discredit any party!..........may they be right or wrong they deserve to have their opinions.

I would be like a fascist to dictate what another person or party should do or say...So there you go....Thank you for the support also.

I have decided to stand as an independent in the next elections which will take place in 2006...thus giving me time to put right some wrongs....

reading the entire thread (these things get a bit tedious covering the same ground again and again), forgive me if I repeat what someone has already said, but a man in Germany WAS charged after he trained his dog to gove a nazi salute whenever he said "heil Hitler"

Originally posted by theflyingfish
reading the entire thread (these things get a bit tedious covering the same ground again and again), forgive me if I repeat what someone has already said, but a man in Germany WAS charged after he trained his dog to gove a nazi salute whenever he said "heil Hitler"
Note!! The MAN was charged!.........If you read the entire posting from the BNP website you will see that it is the horse being charged...and for something quite ridiculouse too!

Fiction too I might add

Originally posted by DerekH
I will be doing just that!...Thanks for the support.

Disco Cat!...I will not discredit any party!..........may they be right or wrong they deserve to have their opinions.

I would be like a fascist to dictate what another person or party should do or say...So there you go....Thank you for the support also.

I have decided to stand as an independent in the next elections which will take place in 2006...thus giving me time to put right some wrongs....

Don’t think theirs anything Fascist about voicing your opinions on or opposition to a political party. can’t really see Democracy working at all if we don’t have that ability.

And from your previous posts I'd say you’ve already done quite a bit to discredit the BNP:

“you are a pathetic bunch of gullible idiots that are preying on peoples fears with stories that are far from the truth!!
You do not give facts nor do you check stories before you publish!!
I hang my head in shame for ever standing for a bunch of insignificant assholes as yourselves.”

I agree with everything I've just quoted from you, but the danger on your part is that without a publicly recognised denouncement of the BNP other parties will be able to base campaign against you on your former membership of the BNP.

And of course their is the huge amount of good publicity you can get to replace the bad publicity you will lose.

It goes without saying i have my own ulterior motives in asking you to contact the press about quitting the BNP, but the Star have taken a very strong line on the BNP and I'm sure they would make a big news story out of this.

Originally posted by theflyingfish
reading the entire thread (these things get a bit tedious covering the same ground again and again), forgive me if I repeat what someone has already said, but a man in Germany WAS charged after he trained his dog to gove a nazi salute whenever he said "heil Hitler"

source? I'm only wondering because I don't know how you could make a dog give a Nazi salute without breaking one of its forelegs. A monkey or an ape, sure, but a dog? Sure he wasn't just lifting his paw to shake hands?

The only animal whose evidence is acceptable in a court of law is a bloodhound (IIRC).

'fraid it's true phan:

Sydney, Feb. 7 (ANI): A German businessman who trained his dog, Adolf, to raise its paw in a Hitler salute has been sentenced to 13 months' probation for violating laws banning neo-Nazi activities.

According to The Australian, two police witnesses and a ticket-seller said that Roland Thein and his dog criss-crossed Berlin looking for people to provoke.

For years, the dog, kept in a kennel marked Adolf, allowed Thein to shout Nazi slogans while pretending to bark orders at it.

When he spotted a foreigner coming, Thein shouted: "Sieg heil!", "Adolf sit!", "Give the salute!". The dog, an alsatian vaguely resembling Hitler's favourite pet, Blondie, obeyed.

Thein, 54, who runs a truck dealership and a wine import business, responded by taking out a comb and brushing his hair to resemble Hitler's distinctive fringe.

Thein was charged with wearing a shirt with banned Nazi symbols, including the swastika, taunting foreign schoolchildren, shouting Nazi slogans in the middle of a Turkish market in Berlin, and insulting a policeman.

However, German lawyers were uncertain whether yelling Nazi catchphrases at a dog constitutes an offence. So, Thein escaped with a 240 dollars fine. (ANI)

I remember reading it on Ananova and a quick google brought it up.

Originally posted by max
'fraid it's true phan:



I remember reading it on Ananova and a quick google brought it up.
And still, It was the man who was charged not his dog......

As you can teach an animal to do a lot of things...the animal cannot be prosecuted on the grounds that the animal doesnt know right from wrong and only obeys the commands given by it's master.

Originally posted by max
'fraid it's true phan:



I remember reading it on Ananova and a quick google brought it up.

It sounds like the dog 'saluting' was not the offence in question, and merely an ancillary detail of the sort the press is so fond of, as the gent in question was....


sentenced to 13 months' probation for violating laws banning neo-Nazi activities.


note - not sentenced for teaching a dog to raise its paw.

Anyone able to answer the question, how can a dog give a nazi salute?

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
It sounds like the dog 'saluting' was not the offence in question, and merely an ancillary detail of the sort the press is so fond of, as the gent in question was....



note - not sentenced for teaching a dog to raise its paw.

Anyone able to answer the question, how can a dog give a nazi salute?
Phan.....My dog salutes with her paw straight up in front of her when she wants petting and a few treats.....
This is done mainly when she is trying to tap me on the leg...to tell me she wants something.

OMG!! Have I got a racist dog????

Well first of all I am not going to comment on derek or internal party buisness apart from this one comment.
Right I have e mailed those responsible for the web site and I have received a reply which says that the article in question was indeed a SPOOF and was made up for a bit of fun.
They also told me that if you read it enough you will clearly see that there were intentional mistakes and clues in it.
I hope this has cleared this one up.;)

Originally posted by royjames
Well first of all I am not going to comment on derek or internal party buisness apart from this one comment.
Right I have e mailed those responsible for the web site and I have received a reply which says that the article in question was indeed a SPOOF and was made up for a bit of fun.
They also told me that if you read it enough you will clearly see that there were intentional mistakes and clues in it.
I hope this has cleared this one up.;)

I’ve read a few articles on the BNP news website that are as factually incorrect as this horse story.

Are their any other articles that were intended as ‘spoofs’ but their inclusion in the news section meant that BNP members believed them to be genuine and used them as the basis for campaigns.

For example the BNP leaflet distributed throughout Essex claiming that the local council had struck a deal with Hackney council agreeing to house their overflow of tenants, of course crap, but maybe people didn't realise the BNP meant it as a ‘spoof’

You can see how we are confused when the BNP include such hilarious satire in their main news section of the website.

Originally posted by royjames
Well first of all I am not going to comment on derek or internal party buisness apart from this one comment.
Right I have e mailed those responsible for the web site and I have received a reply which says that the article in question was indeed a SPOOF and was made up for a bit of fun.
They also told me that if you read it enough you will clearly see that there were intentional mistakes and clues in it.
I hope this has cleared this one up.;)

Nice one Roy, Normally one would state that the following story'/Stories are spoofs at the onset.

We could all see the clues!

I would call it irresponsible journalism where fictional stories are published in the same way as factual.
The only time that stories of this nature could be passed off as a bit of fun would be on April 1s, It seems to me that The BNP website is stuck in time on April 1st and as the saying goes.
It is the ones who put out April fool stories out after 12 midday april 1, that are the fools.

One good thing!! I can now printout the website and read all the stories on April 1st, knowing now that the stories there in are written for such an occasion.

ROY! please can you confim that the story at the foot of the article is also part of the spoof??

Originally posted by royjames
Well first of all I am not going to comment on derek or internal party buisness apart from this one comment.
Right I have e mailed those responsible for the web site and I have received a reply which says that the article in question was indeed a SPOOF and was made up for a bit of fun.
They also told me that if you read it enough you will clearly see that there were intentional mistakes and clues in it.
I hope this has cleared this one up.;)

What a cop-out! :o

But it is nice to have it officially from the powers in the BNP that their website is a spoof site, and is not actually meant to be taken seriously! I pity those gullible voters in Burnley and a few other places who thought it was serious!

Surely I can't be the only one thinking this, but...


I accept that all are entitled to their beliefs and view, and it's important that a broad spectrum of opinions are represented in politics.

However, isn't it just a little sad that the thing which compelled you to leave the BNP is something as trivial as a silly news story on their website? I know it's a reflection of stupidity in the party and can see your frustration at it. But surely there have been hundreds of much better reasons to leave the BNP, and these have been there for ages?

I'm suprised that this story is enough for you to pull out, but the other things the BNP and their representatives have done / are doing isn't enough?

I don't want to get into a debate and regurgitate all kinds of stories, some corroborated some not, and turn this into a shouting match. It just suprises me that you seem like an intelligent articulate fella with an interest in politics yet seem able to stomach some of the bad stuff that the BNP do? I'm all for local issues, fairness, respect, responsibility, etc etc. But not if it comes wrapped up in hatred, intolerance and aggression


But good luck with being an independant - there certainly is a feeling of apathy and dissillusionment among voters and choice is good. Hope you don't get any unpleasant fallout from your email.

To be fair to Derek, I think he did mention a while ago in another thread that he was thinking about leaving the BNP and standing as an independent. :)

Fairy nuff - I've not kept pace with all the political intrigue :)

Originally posted by Speedy_Jim
Fairy nuff - I've not kept pace with all the political intrigue :)
NP.......I have had my fill over the past 3 years with the BNP.....I think that in all honesty, The story has been the last straw.

I was going to leave anyway as communication and acknowledgment from the BNP has been somewhat Zero.

The only thing that they cared about was fielding candidates to make them look better than what they actually are.
They did not care about helping with leafleting or even supplying the litrature without charging the candidate for it.

In effect all BNP candidates are expected to fork out of their own pockets for the elections......
In return...the candidates get no feed back or backup from the party.

To prove my point. In the last elections, they were only worried about the MP's positions available, Not where the candidates stood or their results.

This can be checked on the BNP website under election results 2004.
You will notice that even today, they are still awaiting the results of the candidates but the results for the candidate that was running for MP was published immediatley after the election.

I see that UKIP is going the same way with lack of communication and such.

Does that mean the only reason you have decided to stand as an independent is because of the lack of communication and support from the BNP, or have you turned your back on their racist policies? If you have success at the next election, hopefully you will be putting forward less racist and more tolerant and compassionate policies than the BNP! :thumbsup:

Originally posted by Patchy
Does that mean the only reason you have decided to stand as an independent is because of the lack of communication and support from the BNP, or have you turned your back on their racist policies? If you have success at the next election, hopefully you will be putting forward less racist and more tolerant and compassionate policies than the BNP! :thumbsup:

I have turned my back totally on the BNP......and yes!...There are somr very racist people there.....But there are also good people that do not want to be involved with the racist issues....They are there like I was, Trying to make some changes, Not only to the BNP but for the community.

I do feel sorry for those people that work hard for the party that are just trying to get a voice.....I am sure that they will see the light at the end of it all, When they need backing.

I am personally a very tolerant person and I may have belonged to a party that has racist issues, but I have always given my own views......not that of the party as I am sure you have seen with all the posts I have written.

I have been informed that I may regret my decision....How this is to be interpereted?... I will find out in the future.

If I do run as independent...it will be for my community.......Not for any party that could try and pull my strings!

Well done DerekH, I take my hat off to you mate. It's about time people saw the light and left behind what is now a medieval party living in the dark ages.

It's 2004! I cant believe those jokers are still trying to spread hatred and fear into people - even when the whole world is laughing at them!! I think the article on their website about the horse not only shows how stupid they are but also the mentality of their supporters.

You've taken a great step forward Derek, well done. :clap:

Originally posted by Lestat
Well done DerekH, I take my hat off to you mate. It's about time people saw the light and left behind what is now a medieval party living in the dark ages.

It's 2004! I cant believe those jokers are still trying to spread hatred and fear into people - even when the whole world is laughing at them!! I think the article on their website about the horse not only shows how stupid they are but also the mentality of their supporters.

You've taken a great step forward Derek, well done. :clap:
Thanks for the support.
I can now at least sleep at night with the knowledge that I have made the right and only decision.

All I can say is!......There's always a new tomorrow.

Originally posted by DerekH
I have turned my back totally on the BNP......and yes!...There are somr very racist people there.....But there are also good people that do not want to be involved with the racist issues....They are there like I was, Trying to make some changes, Not only to the BNP but for the community.

I do feel sorry for those people that work hard for the party that are just trying to get a voice.....I am sure that they will see the light at the end of it all, When they need backing.

I am personally a very tolerant person and I may have belonged to a party that has racist issues, but I have always given my own views......not that of the party as I am sure you have seen with all the posts I have written.

I have been informed that I may regret my decision....How this is to be interpereted?... I will find out in the future.

If I do run as independent...it will be for my community.......Not for any party that could try and pull my strings!

Good luck if you do decide to run as an independent! Have you had feedback from the BNP yet?

Originally posted by DerekH
Thanks for the support.
I can now at least sleep at night with the knowledge that I have made the right and only decision.

All I can say is!......There's always a new tomorrow.

It seems like you're turning this into some kind of ego trip Derek.

Beats me why everyone is offering congratulations simply because you've resigned from a clearly deranged organisation of thugs and nutters. It's not exactly a Nobel prize winning act of humanitarianism.

For all we know you probably still hold all the same political views you did before you resigned. What's the difference?

Originally posted by Patchy
Good luck if you do decide to run as an independent! Have you had feedback from the BNP yet?
I have had a few messages but apart from that.....It is very quiet.

Originally posted by mojoworking
It seems like you're turning this into some kind of ego trip Derek.

Beats me why everyone is offering congratulations simply because you've resigned from a clearly deranged organisation of thugs and nutters. It's not exactly a Nobel prize winning act of humanitarianism.

For all we know you probably still hold all the same political views you did before you resigned. What's the difference?

Mojo, It is far from an ego trip to publicly announce leaving a political party such as the BNP.

The only thing that I gain is the stigma accociated with it.

My political views were different to the BNP in a lot of subjects...