I've just read a topic about bus shelters being vandalised etc and other forms of estate nuisance.I cannot understand why the police do not have police stations on every estate like they did a few years ago,and kept the same bobbies on the estate ie 2 or3 to a shift.They would quickly learn who the local scum were and could their eyes on them and easily identify them ie. local knowledge.

Local knowledge and information is one thing - and our police aren't bad at that - but nailing the little so-and-sos is a different kettle of fish. The time it took just to take a statement after some drunk ran into a stop just showed how important it is to identify a lost cause. Teens are treated too leniently by the courts to make pursuing them worthwhile. Bring back borstall schools, and some discipline..... please?

exellant idea,i remember police houses and police boxes on estates when i was a kid the local bobby knew your name because he walked by your house every night and also attended school assembly...on a monday morning at our school he would stand next to the hall door and as you filed in he would touch you on the shoulder to fall out of line if he wanted to know where you had been saturday/sunday night and who you had been with.our parents knew him by name and sometimes on a cold night would ask if he wanted a cuppa..all you get now is a late responce with some one you dont know who slips you a crime number and then dissapears because theres a match on in town,bring back the local bobby because todays thinking is cctv covers most issues,you will never beat the human approach, officer on the spot,local intelligence a face you can put a name to , build up some community trust again

Police prowling around council estates only make the residents uptight, and quite rightly so.

Get them on the beat in places like Fulwood and Crosspool and see if the residents like it up 'em there.

I think not.

Originally posted by Sam Miguel
Police prowling around council estates only make the residents uptight, and quite rightly so.

Get them on the beat in places like Fulwood and Crosspool and see if the residents like it up 'em there.

I think not. explain please why residents should be uptight about police in the area?

just bring back national service!

Originally posted by foreverdelayed
just bring back national service! fantastic idea,how would the wannabees cope with proper discipline,cant imagine boy racers in a chieftain tank,but could you really trust some of these with a weapon and live ammo,? gangsta,s with a licenced machine gun.....look out mr bush we have volunteers for you,but when the sxxt hits the fan please have socoial worker and mommy on stand bye

OMG how old are you lot?

Look out hang en and flog em brigade are here.

There are many problems with ASB in many areas and i agree something needs to be done - but how would locking them up do them any good?? Have you ever been to a young offenders institute, I went once on football trip and had a stand up argument with one of the officers, basically the attitude is that ALL the kids that end up there are scum and are not capable of rehabilitation. How can this kind of environment make society any safer??

Why have a go at Social Workers? They do a job that the vast majority of us wouldnt have the bottle to do - but I spose - like teachers - they are an easy target.

My views anyway

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Originally posted by Sam Miguel
Police prowling around council estates only make the residents uptight, and quite rightly so.

Get them on the beat in places like Fulwood and Crosspool and see if the residents like it up 'em there.

I think not.

wasn't the idea that they were part of the community, rather than seperate from it.

I expect the reason we don't have them anymore is cost effectiveness. Or just cost.

Originally posted by Sam Miguel
Police prowling around council estates only make the residents uptight, and quite rightly so.

Get them on the beat in places like Fulwood and Crosspool and see if the residents like it up 'em there.

I think not.

With a reply like that you must have had one or two sam miguels too many.

Time to get rid of these accelerated promoted prats who call themselves Chief Constables and replace them with real experienced no nonsense coppers.

If the coppers of today want to be engaged as traffic wardens and office assistants then this should be reflected in their pay! ;)

Originally posted by ladyovmanor
OMG how old are you lot?

Look out hang en and flog em brigade are here.

There are many problems with ASB in many areas and i agree something needs to be done - but how would locking them up do them any good?? Have you ever been to a young offenders institute, I went once on football trip and had a stand up argument with one of the officers, basically the attitude is that ALL the kids that end up there are scum and are not capable of rehabilitation. How can this kind of environment make society any safer??

Why have a go at Social Workers? They do a job that the vast majority of us wouldnt have the bottle to do - but I spose - like teachers - they are an easy target.

My views anyway who mentioned locking them up ? discipline was the general theme,something that since national service has finished the kids today seem to lack

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re-omg how old are you lot? thinking about it i think we might be at the age where we remember punching bags in a gym and not pensioners,where you stood up on public transport for older people,where when you went to the shops you asked the old person accross the way if they needed anything, where smack hurt,where you called the teacher sir and not oy! where on sundays you wore a suit,that you had worked a year to save up for and you bought the old ladies in the snug in the elm tree manor top a jubilee or mackeson,the days when you fed your neighbours kids cause they were late home from work or your mam asked you to go for the doctor because old mr whatsitmatter anymore was ill and didnt want to make a fuss,days when no one heard of social workers and once a year the whole city stood still for two minutes on armistice day

i suspect i'm a fraction of whatever age it was you were talking about there.

its not ALL that long ago honestly..ask any bloke under 50 years of age.....its all down to respecting people and values,( such as your personal signature if you know what i mean)

we remember punching bags in a gym and not pensioners,

How often does this type of thing really happen?? Come on dont believe whatu read in the express.

where smack hurt,

Does that mean you think its OK to hurt children??

where you called the teacher sir and not oy!

Im afraid any teacher that allows his students to address him with an 'oi' shouldnt be in that job

where on sundays you wore a suit,

what, everyone wore suits on sundays??

the days when you fed your neighbours kids cause they were late home from work

Thank goodness for Social Services nowadays then - obviously incapable of lookin after thier children

days when no one heard of social workers

See above

once a year the whole city stood still for two minutes on armistice day

Sort of with you on this - I nearly always go to cenataph come rememberance and feel we should encourage more of it - having said that schools do push the rememberance celebrations (wrong word perhaps) selling poppies and special assemblies.

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never read the express,young girl in disabled chair mugged on upperthorpe last month,pensioner beaten unconcious on local park its a fact,war hero pensioner beaten to death oldham last year. cinical but i meant the drug smack.calling teacher oy ...folkwood school a few years back when i was helping out with rock climbing lessons,if you had a job you wore a suit sunday dinner it was nice to get out of overalls..social workers..what was that little girls name whose parents starved her to death while supposedly bieng monitored by social services.( bye the way ive 7 kids, brought 4 up on my own ) and finally never missed rememberance day,took the kids in the hope they would grow up with a little respect for people

what I'm trying to say is that things - im certain- were not that different to they are now. Perception of crime is FAR higher than actual crime - especially that of violent crime on the eldery etc. Having said this I do realise there are people out there who have absolutely no idea of how to live a civilsed life - but havent ther ealways been people like this.

Respect is an issue with todays young people, young people from every part of the country rich and poor. But how do we deal with this? sending them to boot camps just isnt the answer.

As regards social workers, yeah there have been mistakes and bad judgements which have had tragic consequences - we all know about then because the media jumps on it. But remember how many thousands of children they save by removing them from the homes of violent or abusive 'parents', its not just kids - same with the eldery, who looks after older people who find it difficult caring for themselves??
Social Workers do all this and much much more - where would we be if it wasnt for them?? what would happen to the kids who they provide a lifeline for?

were way of thread here but i know what you are sayin just as i believe you understand what im trying to say,it never used to be this bad.people are afraid to go out after dark,social services cant do a lot about that..but i think it could reduce crime if they backed the police up in court instead of trying to get some little scroat back on the streets by blaming the system my wife and her sister were brought up in homes,no fault of her parents,she was bullied and abused by her social workers,one of my sons who remained with his mother after the divorce came to me with bruises,resident social worker had kicked the sxxt out of him in the shower at school he was aged 11. this isnt a personal issue between you and i but i still think that the reason the country is so bad today is lack of disciplin e and also taking the powers of f teachers and parents to correct wrong doers

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it's called a lapsarkian fantasy, "the good old days".

I'm not sure why it was such a bad thing for neighbours to help out minding each others kids nor why corporal punishment is a bad thing, but they are rather off topic.

The good old days of bobbies on the beat where they responded to a phone call to a police box with the words 'I'm on my way sarge' and then walked 3 miles to the scene of a crime. I think people watched too much Dixon of Dock Green.

We had a bobby on the beat in the village where I lived for 7 years. In all that time I remember him coming down our street perhaps 3 times. He had a huge patch to cover on his bike and must have had specific routes which made sure he covered the whole village at least once every 2 years.

This whole bobby on the beat is a fantasy for most people, sort of like a tribal memory gleaned from black and white films. The only streets which had regular patrols, imo, were those where crime was rife.

As much as I agree with the old bobby on the beat looking good, it's all pie in the sky. When the bobby was on street A, the local low lifes would just ring their mates on street Y and they could do the deed knowing they would be safe from having their collars felt.
The Police need to be mobile and no not on some old black bike. They need the tools to do the job, not just a silly little astra to chase the twocers but a vehicle that the scroats know is going to catch em. Fight fire with fire, and before the shout goes up of not chasing the poor darlings they might crash and get killed....they have the option of (a) not stealing the car in the first place (b) To stop when the police signal them to do so.
owdlad.

Got a new copshop end of my road. Widely supported by local residents and tangible results.
Not all coppers hold the reactionary views some people would like them to. I have a couple of mates in "the job" in other parts of the country enlightened people and so are many of their colleagues and well aware of the limitations of their job and the criminal justice system, which the public seem to think should be the perfection it never is or could be.
Young offenders? Institutions just make em worse, but the bourgeouis left adea that if everyone had the right education we'd all live together and read the same books is as far off the mark as the hang em and flog em brigade.
AND THE GOOD OLD DAYS? I was going through some of my late mums stuff (died three years ago only just able to do it!) and some of her press cuttings from the fifties and early sixties (she was a journo) make interesting reading. Yup, you guessed it - not enough coppers, decline moral standards, what to do with the youth.
And finally if you think bad behaving youth is a urban/working class prob then think again - I worked as a volunteer in a nice village youth club down south until it was burned to the ground.

"It's always someone else who's causing trouble and always somebody else's job to sort it out"

Perhaps we should have a ScroteCatcher van that goes around picking up no-marks of either sex and forcibly sterilising them. Then we can look at ways of barcoding their existing offspring at birth, perhaps by inserting a microchip condemning them to lifelong expatriation to leeds.

after reading some posts on here it looks like some people fall into thee IM ALL RIGHT JACK frame,hasnt happened to me........ONE DAY.........ONE DAY...why isnt something bieng done?,why did you take so long to get here officer ? i pay my rates and taxes one day

Originally posted by Sam Miguel
Police prowling around council estates only make the residents uptight, and quite rightly so.

Get them on the beat in places like Fulwood and Crosspool and see if the residents like it up 'em there.

I think not.
i have in this house in rotherham 24 years i have never seen a patrolman walk down the street one of my niebours did asked him to wait there while went for is camera

My dad used to say----- in the prob late 1920's, that they were not allowed to stand around in groups on street corners. The bobbies used to walk around in 2's and when they past 2 or 3 youths standing together they used to flick them with their cloaks which had lead in the hems and was quite a whack. To remind them not to do it.

I think this was in the days of the great Shillito? who was said tto clean up the sheffield gangs at the time.

Unfortunately my Uncle Albert who was 18 at the time decided to steal a pk of cigarettes and was sent to borstal for it. My mom said they used to visit him and he had had his head shaved and was put in short trousers I suppose to humiliate him. He went on to be a Petty Officer in the war so couldn't have been so bad.

Hazel

at the end of the day it comes down to parents - when I was kid I was not allowed out on the streets after dark - I certainly would never have considered mouthing off to a policman, or anyone older than me for that matter - purely because I was brought up porperly. To this day I don't swear in front of my parents!

The reason we need more police is because the 'youth' of today is lacking moral values and respect for not just other people but themselves as well. It all comes down to the parents it's their responsibility to bring up their children right.
If you can't be bothered to look after a child or deal with it when it misbehaves - DON'T have them!!

I would happily see more police on the street, but these days the courts see criminals as victims who need help! - They are criminals, who need to be punished for their crimes. Stricter sentencing will actually make criminals think twice about commiting crime!

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