Beware the dvla/council are lifting cars from the southey/parsons cross area

I don't know why your warning them?

Your happy to allow people to dodge a tax that other law abiding people (such as myself) pay?

Originally posted by kilauea
I don't know why your warning them?

Your happy to allow people to dodge a tax that other law abiding people (such as myself) pay?

Exactly. I hope they're fining the owners as well and not just taking the cars.

Perhaps we should have a thread to warn burglars about streets to avoid and which the best houses to burgle are! :loopy:

Hope they don't miss Longley! Few ripe for lifting here:clap:

Hope they don't make it my way - not after some busybody WRONGLY reported my car wasn't displaying a valid tax disc!

The DVLA sent me a reminder about my car tax needing to be renewed at the end of this month ? Its getting harder to dodge the tax disc issue now isnt it ? Unless the car isn't registered of course tsk tsk!

they've only been sending reminders for about 20 years.

Why are you warning people though.

I hope they take the cars and either crush them or auction them off.

My first year driving Cyclone..

Value your car.. Keep it legal, not to much too ask is it :suspect:

If they are untaxed, let 'em get lifted. Why are you warning people. Chance is, if they are not taxed, they are also uninsured and have no MOT (logic is, if you have no insurance/MOT docs, you can't get a tax disc) and the rest.....:rant:

Originally posted by draggletail
If they are untaxed, let 'em get lifted. Why are you warning people. Chance is, if they are not taxed, they are also uninsured and have no MOT (logic is, if you have no insurance/MOT docs, you can't get a tax disc) and the rest.....:rant:

If it's not taxed then any insurance policy on it is void. So untaxed vehicles are definitely not insured, which meansthat if you get hit by their irresponsible drivers you won't be able to claim a penny off them without going through the courts.

i dont think its bad warning people might acually make them get it taxed! if they fear there car will get taken away

Originally posted by f_g
i dont think its bad warning people might acually make them get it taxed! if they fear there car will get taken away

true but they are less likely to have learned ther lesson until they are held to ransom to get their car back.

Originally posted by f_g
i dont think its bad warning people might acually make them get it taxed! if they fear there car will get taken away

I agree, it is proven that people commit less crime when the risk of being caught is higher.

The punishment is secodary!

They took mine today, it is taxed tested and insured
but I left it across the end of a driveway of a empty house
seems that someone took the house today whilst I was at work
so the council had my car removed because it was causing an obstruction :confused: The house was b****y boarded up when I left this am, I think this was a bit quick and a over reaction
I'll be taking my car to work in future s*d commuting into the city centre:rant:

oh my god listen to all the dooooo gooooders
all sweet and innocent never done owt wrong
no tax dont alus man no mot and insurance, not everybody has a nice driveway to park a car wiv no tax, they dont come as standard in a council house, well i can't afford to tax my car till i get me dole check, too late tho they took it today . Think I'll just report it nicked and claim off insurance

Originally posted by screenis
oh my god listen to all the dooooo gooooders
all sweet and innocent never done owt wrong
no tax dont alus man no mot and insurance, not everybody has a nice driveway to park a car wiv no tax, they dont come as standard in a council house, well i can't afford to tax my car till i get me dole check, too late tho they took it today . Think I'll just report it nicked and claim off insurance

If it wasn't taxed then the insurance will be invalid. Good luck though.

no tax dunt make your insurance invalid
no mot dus tho

if it was still boarded up earlier today then i cant see anyone actually living there yet.
they probably just went to look around .
what rotten luck though.

Originally posted by screenis
no tax dunt make your insurance invalid
no mot dus tho
I suspect that if it was on the road, and untaxed, your insurance company can quite fairly claim that you haven't complied with the law, and therefore your insurance is invalid.

I would get that fine paid quickly before your insurance company have a go at you for a false claim as well!

Originally posted by screenis
oh my god listen to all the dooooo gooooders
all sweet and innocent never done owt wrong
no tax dont alus man no mot and insurance, not everybody has a nice driveway to park a car wiv no tax, they dont come as standard in a council house, well i can't afford to tax my car till i get me dole check, too late tho they took it today . Think I'll just report it nicked and claim off insurance

If you can't afford to tax the car then you can't afford to run it so sell it and use the money some other way.
If your on the dole its not like you need it to get to work is it?

Originally posted by screenis
oh my god listen to all the dooooo gooooders
all sweet and innocent never done owt wrong
no tax dont alus man no mot and insurance, not everybody has a nice driveway to park a car wiv no tax, they dont come as standard in a council house, well i can't afford to tax my car till i get me dole check, too late tho they took it today . Think I'll just report it nicked and claim off insurance ]


It is people like you who raise our insurance policies. If you can't afford it, get rid of it, simple as that. Or if you want to keep it, get your priorities right, and stop using the internet, that will save some money towards tax.

Oh and what does 'alus' mean? :confused:

Spotted a DVLA clamping van at Law Bros' Leppings Lane petrol station this morning about 10 - 11-30 AM.

I concidered going up, wishing them a good day, shaking their hands and then advising them of a fiesta that is sill being being driven is taxed till the end of 07/04 in Stannington...

The only times I drive an untaxed car is to/from a MOT test or on private land - not the public highway.

Mad sod's ain't there?

Originally posted by screenis
oh my god listen to all the dooooo gooooders
all sweet and innocent never done owt wrong
no tax dont alus man no mot and insurance, not everybody has a nice driveway to park a car wiv no tax, they dont come as standard in a council house, well i can't afford to tax my car till i get me dole check, too late tho they took it today . Think I'll just report it nicked and claim off insurance

One would assume they would do a car-check and also one would assume the SY Police are aiding the DVLA in their clamp-down and so they may be using SYP's "impound" facilities. If so to claim off the Insurance you need to get a crime reference number and I doubt you would get one of them in a hurry.

Just a theory.

I bet you would...knowing how the police admin facilities work - if you could get them to answer the phone..

it's a little bit harsh if you really were intending to buy the tax when your dole cheque arrived.
But if you read your insurance small print i'm sure you'll find that no tax means invalid insurance.
And i presume the dvla register the car as impounded on their database. So when you contact the police and they pull up the car details they'll most likely just inform you that it's been towed.

Where does the law stand if you buy a car over the weekend and have to leave it on the road until the post office opens and you can buy your tax?
Or if you buy a car and have to wait until your insurance documents arrive before you can tax it (they won't take a faxed copy at the postoffice).


Originally posted by screenis
oh my god listen to all the dooooo gooooders
all sweet and innocent never done owt wrong
no tax dont alus man no mot and insurance, not everybody has a nice driveway to park a car wiv no tax, they dont come as standard in a council house, well i can't afford to tax my car till i get me dole check, too late tho they took it today . Think I'll just report it nicked and claim off insurance

if i recall correctly dole cheques arrive fortnightly which means that as it was the 20th when he posted it he had at least one cheque come this month and another at the end of last month, the dvla give about 2 weeks notice so he has had at least 2 opportunities to get the tax which to me means he wasnt intending to tax it and was finally caught out

The law is very vague

If you can prove that you purchased the car on a Sunday and that you have filled a SORN document in and dated it for sunday then you would probably get away with it but you CANNOT drive the vehicle until it is taxed therefore the situation shouldnt arise.

I dont think many checkers work on a sunday so if you are that unlucky to have bought a car on the day that they are in the area then unfortunately you will need to produce both the SORN and receipt plus v5 to show change of ownership dated on that day.

As for the chav gimp who didnt tax their car may you spend your dole money on booze and drive into a wall hurting only yourself - thanks for putting my premium up.

If you cant afford it dont have it or have a smaller car and put £1.50 a week away then would never have to "wait for the dole cheque"

And before you start to bite back i live on a council estate always have and every other house has a driveway.

How about if you buy a car to do up. It has no tax and doesn't run, you get it moved on a flatbed to the road outside your house so that a couple of hours later your mate can come along and tow it to his garage for repair. He arrives and two cars are park either side so you have to give him a few quid and ask him to try again the next day...then the same happens.

A note appears on the windscreen sayin that road works are taking place on the road in a few days...so you ring the council to advise them of the situation.

Then look out of your window a few hours later and its gone.

To the council pound.

Release fee £175. Car £450. £15 per day while its in the pound and if you don't find the release fee in 7 days it will be crushed...I even filled the petrol tank prior.

Go to the pound. explain the situ...its not their problem. Ask to look at the car and their is a HUGE dint in the drivers side door! Complain. THey claim they didn't do it...and take pictures of all cars they pick up. I ask to see the pix. THey can't access them for a week (the car is under threat of death remember - and runs up £15 per day as I wait!!!)

Managed to put a hold on the crush via DVLA for the time being, but don't hold any hope of joy of proving they did the damage. Even if they did...will they just release it back to me for the estimated damage cost of £200? Then I have to pay for it towed the 14 miles back from the pound? Then tax and back tax (its in MY name now)...

I despair.

I loved that car.

:rant:

Anyway. It had no tax and was on a road. THats the law I accept - before all you whiter than white do-gooders arrive. For the record I own two other taxed tested and insured cars.

The law is an overboard ass sometimes.

Don't wish to comment any further on thsi cos its driven me nuts these last few days - but I'll let you know the outcome. :rolleyes:

Its my opinion that if you're on the dole then you should be banned from owning a car. The money to run it hasnt been earned.

At the very least the dole money should be reduced to compensate for the fact that some of it is spent on "luxury" items!

Dole scroungers make my blood boil - get a job, theres plenty out there.

Originally posted by Cyclone

But if you read your insurance small print i'm sure you'll find that no tax means invalid insurance.


This isn't even remotely true. You need to present a valid insurance certificate in order to tax the car! If you had to tax the car to get an insurance certificate, then it'd be catch 22. I bought an untaxed car recently so I stuck in on the drive until the insurance certificate arrived, then taxed it. They didn't even ask if it was taxed because they don't care :)

However, if your car has been removed because it was on the road with no tax, then it's not stolen, it's impounded. You can't claim on your insurance for the consequences of your own negligence.

Screenis, sorry to sound harsh, but that's the way it is. If you knew the tax was running out, why didn't you use your previous dole money rather than letting it expire and risking confiscation? You can tax the car up to a fortnight before the expiry and have it continue without losing the fortnight.

Originally posted by coopster1974
Its my opinion that if you're on the dole then you should be banned from owning a car. The money to run it hasnt been earned.

Does this include people who have just lost their job, and will need their car to get to interviews?

another ban first and think later comment.

what happens to someone who owns a car and looses there job. Immediately have the car impounded, thus making it very difficult for them to find more work?

Originally posted by coopster1974
Its my opinion that if you're on the dole then you should be banned from owning a car. The money to run it hasnt been earned.

At the very least the dole money should be reduced to compensate for the fact that some of it is spent on "luxury" items!

Dole scroungers make my blood boil - get a job, theres plenty out there.

it is remotely true, because you insurance is not valid if you are doing something illegal and leaving it on the road with no tax is illegal.

They are quite happy to send you a document and take your money, but give them the slightest chance and they will declare you in breach and not pay out. So that includes having an accident with any of no tax, no mot, under the influence, etc...
I suppose the fire+theft cover is still valid if your car is off the road and untaxed as your not breaking the law.

The law makes buying a car rather awkward then doesn't it. You go and look at a car, pay for it, and then walk away, wait for 1 week to get the insurance documents, go and tax it, then go back and take the car home.

Only a problem when you buy a car who's tax has expired i suppose, so not that often.

Originally posted by spiffymonkey
This isn't even remotely true. You need to present a valid insurance certificate in order to tax the car! If you had to tax the car to get an insurance certificate, then it'd be catch 22. I bought an untaxed car recently so I stuck in on the drive until the insurance certificate arrived, then taxed it. They didn't even ask if it was taxed because they don't care :)

However, if your car has been removed because it was on the road with no tax, then it's not stolen, it's impounded. You can't claim on your insurance for the consequences of your own negligence.

Screenis, sorry to sound harsh, but that's the way it is. If you knew the tax was running out, why didn't you use your previous dole money rather than letting it expire and risking confiscation? You can tax the car up to a fortnight before the expiry and have it continue without losing the fortnight.

Originally posted by Cyclone
it is remotely true, because you insurance is not valid if you are doing something illegal and leaving it on the road with no tax is illegal.

Ah, in that case we are splitting hairs. Having no tax does not invalidate your insurance. Not complying with the law does invalidate your insurance.

If your car tax has run out, but you have put in a valid SORN declaration and left it on your drive, but some good-for-nowt nicks it, you can claim on the insurance because, although it has no road tax, it is still insured property.

Originally posted by spiffymonkey
Ah, in that case we are splitting hairs. Having no tax does not invalidate your insurance. Not complying with the law does invalidate your insurance.

If your car tax has run out, but you have put in a valid SORN declaration and left it on your drive, but some good-for-nowt nicks it, you can claim on the insurance because, although it has no road tax, it is still insured property.

of course, but if it's towed away(a) or stolen(b) from the kerbside when untaxed (as in the case in point) then your insurance
a) won't care - because it wasn't stolen
b) won't care - because it was illegally on the road.

Originally posted by Cyclone
of course, but if it's towed away(a) or stolen(b) from the kerbside when untaxed (as in the case in point) then your insurance
a) won't care - because it wasn't stolen
b) won't care - because it was illegally on the road.

That's what I said (I think) :)

There's nowt like arguing in agreement, eh?

Oops - shouldhave made myself clearer although I touched on it further down my post.

Dole scroungers - people who have no intention of working - ever should be banned and have their dole reduced.

And no it wasnt a "ban first and think later" post.

Originally posted by coopster1974
Oops - shouldhave made myself clearer although I touched on it further down my post.

Dole scroungers - people who have no intention of working - ever should be banned and have their dole reduced.

And no it wasnt a "ban first and think later" post.

How will you know if they never intend to work - ask them ?

Originally posted by nick2
How will you know if they never intend to work - ask them ?

Wait a minute- arent you the one who suggested the same about taking tv's off them? I would police it the same way that you would!!!

Originally posted by coopster1974
Wait a minute- arent you the one who suggested the same about taking tv's off them? I would police it the same way that you would!!!

No im not.

My apologies - thought you were the chap off the radio under a different guise

Originally posted by coopster1974
Oops - shouldhave made myself clearer although I touched on it further down my post.

Dole scroungers - people who have no intention of working - ever should be banned and have their dole reduced.

And no it wasnt a "ban first and think later" post.

Good for you - for the ammendment. I was considering myself (somewhat-mentaly disabled and unable to work for semi-unrelated reasons) included as I own a car and claim off the DWP.

About this time last year I signed up for work and lasted 6 hours before having to leave due to stress and severe panic/anxiety attacks due to my past. I have never worked since.

One question - how could you porove OR dis-prove someone is Dole-scrounging?

Originally posted by darkstardust
Good for you - for the ammendment. I was considering myself (somewhat-mentaly disabled and unable to work for semi-unrelated reasons) included as I own a car and claim off the DWP.

About this time last year I signed up for work and lasted 6 hours before having to leave due to stress and severe panic/anxiety attacks due to my past. I have never worked since.

One question - how could you porove OR dis-prove someone is Dole-scrounging?

A more modern version of a ducking stool perhaps ?

You make them work in a tradmill, if it kills them they were telling the truth and will be allowed to claim, if not they are lying and will be shot.

Would that work coopster ?

Well thats the whole point - it cant be measured can it - just a pipe dream I suppose. Although hearing some people brag about how much they sponge off the system does give a few of them away! Surely you know some personally? They will usually smoke duty free fags from the boozer and drive a cavalier or an orion (no offense to honest hardworking orion or cavalier drivers) which will be uninsured, untaxed and no MOT.

I mean lets be honest, if money is tight, which it usually is when your on the dole what are you going to spend the Child Benefit on? Fags or car tax?

I was not meaning that at all. I involved my past as an example.

alchemist
I am not a bloke There you go assuming again

Originally posted by suzieq
They took mine today, it is taxed tested and insured
but I left it across the end of a driveway of a empty house
seems that someone took the house today whilst I was at work
so the council had my car removed because it was causing an obstruction :confused: The house was b****y boarded up when I left this am, I think this was a bit quick and a over reaction
I'll be taking my car to work in future s*d commuting into the city centre:rant:
i am browned of with people obstructing my drive every time i want to go out i have to ask ther permision i i can use my car
you deserve all you get boareded up or not

Originally posted by awoollen
i am browned of with people obstructing my drive every time i want to go out i have to ask ther permision i i can use my car
you deserve all you get boareded up or not

deja vue! I'm sure we had that thread last week :)

Originally posted by screenis
alchemist
I am not a bloke There you go assuming again

sorry about that, is that all you could find wrong with my post though?

This has never been a true topic and I apologise for using you all

My friend said this forum was full of self opinionated bigots
who have been brain washed by the government into a set of whingers and reporters of any type of ant-social acts

Dear me she was right !!!!

since you're not the same user who started the thread, does that mean that two of you colluded, or that you have two accounts...

either way, if what you say is true you're rather sad.

Oh dear... if you look at the various posts you'll find clear evidence of troll tracks throughout...

deliberately opnionated crud and the like guaranteed to create righteous ire, etc...

As for that last post about brainwashing, etc... ah well... at least we exist :)

Originally posted by dubliner
...
who have been brain washed by the government into a set of whingers and reporters of any type of ant-social acts

sounds like a new form of communal living to me, count me in!

Originally posted by screenis
Think I'll just report it nicked and claim off insurance Who're you reporting it nicked to? There's the small point of a crime number, and the poice are likely to know exactly where it is from the database at the dvla. So you can add 'wasting police time' to your list of misdemeanours.

Originally posted by alchemist
... the dvla give about 2 weeks notice so he has had at least 2 opportunities to get the tax which to me means he wasnt intending to tax it and was finally caught out Hey, the blasted thing has a date on it! That means you have a minimum of six months notice to renew it. No excuse.

And Hudu, why didn't you have the flatbed take the car to your mate's garage instead of the public highway outside your house and save all the hassle?

Originally posted by screenis
oh my god listen to all the dooooo gooooders
all sweet and innocent never done owt wrong
no tax dont alus man no mot and insurance, not everybody has a nice driveway to park a car wiv no tax, they dont come as standard in a council house, well i can't afford to tax my car till i get me dole check, too late tho they took it today . Think I'll just report it nicked and claim off insurance

Am i paying my taxes so that some SCROAT can claim his dole money and pay for tax on a car?. I thought dole money was to live on. If people can afford to run a car on the dole then i am handing my notice in on Monday!.

Ohh, and YES i have done things wrong before (very wrong in some cases), but i have done something else as well. I have got a job, started paying taxes and hopefully contributed something back to society!.
How were you able to afford the computer to get on line in the first place?.

To answer the initial post, I think its good that untaxed cars are being swiped from the roads. The last thing I want is to be crashed into by somebody with no tax and/or insurance.

Providing you send off your SORN documentation if you wish the car to remain off the road (a few minor grey areas apart) there shouldn't really be an argument.

And as for dole scroungers having cars, fair enough if you are on the dole for reasons beyond your control, but if you are just being a lazy so-and-so than I think that's unfair as that is taxpayers money. Having a car AND internet is even worse IMO.

My sister had her car written off by someone who was driving un-taxed who crashed into her. Whenever I see an untaxed car on the road I report it, and I think other people should too.

Our car was written off by a guy who had no tax insurence or mot.we pay all that is required to be on the road.Yes i think they should have their car taken off them if they cant give a valid reason why they havent payed.Another car of ours has been written off this weekend a low life broke into it and the damage they have done to it is going
to cost more than the car is worth.BUT it was our means of gettin around.My husband is retired and we cant afford a new one .I wish they would stop to think before they break into cars and do damage , probably for the hell of it or just to nick stuff to support a habit or cause they are scint , that other people live on the breadline too.and cant afford new it gets me sooooooooo angry that they have got away with it because the police cant do a dam thing to get em.

The DVLA had fun at Manor Farm area - a Corsa L reg and my old Escort taken.
The Esc was on a bit 'o land wetween 2 main roads joining on a T junction and also a side/slip kind of road - leaving a grassy island - the "island" at the bottom in the map is the one I mean - when questioned about it it's claimed to be part of the public highway...

http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&X=437750&Y=387250&width=500&height=300&gride=&gridn=&srec=0&coordsys=gb&db=GB&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=&advanced=&local=&localinfosel=&kw=&inmap=&table=&ovtype=&zm=0&scale=5000&multimap.x=214&multimap.y=238

Not whining about it gone - just glad to see it gone - now to celebrate. Lol.

Originally posted by vidster
Am i paying my taxes so that some SCROAT can claim his dole money and pay for tax on a car?. I thought dole money was to live on. If people can afford to run a car on the dole then i am handing my notice in on Monday!.




Oh right i know get the picture, I have been out of work since August this year, therefore this makes me a Scroat, Scrounger whatever you wan to call us.

I own a car, so perhaps I should scrap it as I am not entitled to own one due to the fact that I am a srounging scroat.
I own a PC, maybe I have to put it in Free Adds as im not entitled to own a PC or be on the internet, have a telephone, have mail sent to my house, buy food, breathe the same air as you or even exsist in the same form as you.

Having all these things was a result of working ALL MY LIFE and buying them with hard earned cash.

Having these things has also ensured that it was easy for me to secure a new job this week.
So now I have only eaten into about 2 months of your precious taxes that you all bang on about all the time.
Mybe you should be awarded some sort of medal or even a chest to pin it on, after paying Taxes myself for over 20 years I think I deserve at least some payment for my troubles.

END OF

Originally posted by tango2
[A very sensbile post]

Good on you Tango. It's nice to hear a voice of reason amongst the mindless stereotyping drivel in this forum.

Very well said!

Originally posted by coopster1974
Its my opinion that if you're on the dole then you should be banned from owning a car. The money to run it hasnt been earned.

At the very least the dole money should be reduced to compensate for the fact that some of it is spent on "luxury" items!

Dole scroungers make my blood boil - get a job, theres plenty out there.


A truley moronic statement, so if you work all you life, pay taxes all your life, the money hasnt been earned.

so in the 8 weeks i was out of work, according to you I should have had my right to drive and find work (which I did ) taken away from me.

How very thoughtfull

Must say well done to Tango2!

I think it's wrong that the unemployed should be treated as second class citizens by the employed.

Before anyone says it I do work!!!

Good luck with your new job tango! well said mate!

Ohh, well pardon me for getting things wrong. Out of many 1000s of people claiming 'benefits', there are a 'few' genuine cases of people needing to claim them.

how many is a few ??

yes please explain, what do we define as a few?

I am still counting 1..2..3..4..5..erm...........:hihi:

Originally posted by vidster
I am still counting 1..2..3..4..5..erm...........:hihi:

You can go to college to retake you GCSE maths. There you can learn how to count to more than 5.

Huh?:confused::)

So out of the million or so people that claim benefits we are up to a total of 5 that desrve it, I hope to god that figure includes me.

I can see where vidster and the like are comming from, but maybe they should eleborate a little more when getting out the Tar and Feathers (lol).

Not all people that claim benefits are scroungers, allthough some are.
These are the people that need to be weeded out of the system, and that if is the system itself thats at fault.

While ever you give a person money for nothing, they will continue to take it, perhaps it should be made harder to claim benefits and strict monitoring should take place while claiming.

Instead of 6 month reviews, how about weekly reviews and if you dont go for the interviews,,have your benefits taken away until you can prove you are actively seeking work.

You could also be made to pay back some of the benefits you have had when you find work, thus ensuring your time being a "scroat" is kept to bare minimum.

Trouble is when all the scroungers are gone, Elizabeth Duke would go bust,,(lol).