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Serendipity1 05-03-2007, 08:27 I Went for a few pints in town for someones leaving do from work and a group of us walked to fargate.
One of the Girls lives on trippet lane so we let her walk home as she insisted whilst everyone went there seperate ways with me going to mcdonalds! lol
Anyhow i got a phone call from this girl saying a asian guy was harrasing her and suggesting she have sex with him! she ran away and just got to her flat after he touched her up several times. She rang me and i ran to trippet lane!
Was i right giving this bloke a good pasting (Albeit with a mcdonalds bag in one hand) or should i have rang the police! The girl in question was well shook up and crying.
If the answer your guna say is the later one then how come it takes them so long to do anything about it when this bloke could easily had done it again if i hadn't have done anything to him.
Is it right for someone whos harrased a innocent woman to get away scot free?
Ive read a few threads about people getting mugged on here and wondering either to fight back or ring the police! im sorry but if it involves getting beaten up innocently, getting possesions stolen or a girl getting attacked then im all for revenge!
Sorry but its a true fact!
you should have killed the perverted scum
You deserve gaol just as much as he does.
How do you know for certain it was the right person? How do you know your friend gave you the whole story? These are questions for the police to find answers to in a properly conducted investigation.
I hope they arrest and charge you too.
excellent!
course you did the right thing, this may make him stop and think before touching some other young girl up. well done mate:thumbsup:
Serendipity1 05-03-2007, 08:53 a) she pointed him out to me
b) How can sum1 smacking sum1 deserve the same treatment as a sexual harraser????
c) People dont trust the police as much! (For proof read the numerous threads on here)
In my eyes anyone who sexually harrases or abuses women need castrating!
I simple pasting is not even half of what they deserve!
Personally I wouldnt have let her walk home alone no matter what she said.
So if you were caught on cctv and the police arrest you do you think you will get away with it because you thought you were doing it for the right reason?
I do think he deserved a good slap, but sadly thats not what the law dishes out. We cant all ignore the rules.
Serendipity1 05-03-2007, 08:57 SO you telling me if this guy was caught on cctv doing this but the girl never complianed they would still take action on this guy!
I dont think so?
I think I would have done the same thing under the cercumstances, but things always look different the next day. You could easily have got into serious trouble, or worse!
TBH, your friend should have called the police and not involve you...but it's always easy to criticise after the fact.
a) she pointed him out to me
b) How can sum1 smacking sum1 deserve the same treatment as a sexual harraser????
c) People dont trust the police as much! (For proof read the numerous threads on here)
In my eyes anyone who sexually harrases or abuses women need castrating!
I simple pasting is not even half of what they deserve!
Assault is a more serious offence than sexual harassment. However, sexual assualt is more serious still. If a sexual assualt took place then the police should be called and they would have taken this very seriously, it is the kind of crime that would get instant reaction with lots of effort.
People who atteck someone else aren't really any different from people who sexually assault women, as both these crimes are about violence, it is just a question of degree.
why are you all turning on serendipity when all he has done is defend his friend?
I was assaulted 4 weeks ago by a man who has mental problems, two of my kids were with me at the time. This happened in broad daylight, in a shop with excellent cctv. The police have viewed the cctv, them man has rang them and said that he`s punched me several times (damaging my jaw, cutting my lip and knocking my front tooth out).
The police still havn`t arrested him.
Hardly gives you confidence in the police does it?
good for you serendipity!
upinwath 05-03-2007, 09:14 How do you know for certain it was the right person? How do you know your friend gave you the whole story? These are questions for the police to find answers to in a properly conducted investigation.
I hope they arrest and charge you too.
Another 'asian did this' and 'beat him up' thread.
That makes three from newish posters.
why are you all turning on serendipity when all he has done is defend his friend?!
That would be because he sounds like a thug. If you are attacked then you calll the police. If they don't do anything then you complain. If you attack someone on the basis of hearsay then you are no different from the people who attack the house of a known paediatrician.
exactly - leave serendipity alone.
I believe you did the right thing, the police are not stupid and they'd back you up. All you have to say in a statement is that you feared for yours or your friends life and you'd be fine.
Last week we had a bloke climb some scaffolding outside our bedroom window, (we live in apartments that are having external decoration done)when my husband challanged him about why he was on the scaffolding at 3:30am he ran towards him and tried to kick him in the head. My husband grabbed his foot and he tried to struggle free by slamming the window down on my husbands head. I dialled 999 and the police came - they were VERY heavy handed, and rightly so.
Had my husband managed to pull the bloke through the window he would have seriously beaten him up.
Serendipity1 05-03-2007, 09:19 why are you all turning on serendipity when all he has done is defend his friend?
I was assaulted 4 weeks ago by a man who has mental problems, two of my kids were with me at the time. This happened in broad daylight, in a shop with excellent cctv. The police have viewed the cctv, them man has rang them and said that he`s punched me several times (damaging my jaw, cutting my lip and knocking my front tooth out).
The police still havn`t arrested him.
Hardly gives you confidence in the police does it?
good for you serendipity!
Thank You ! At least Theres someone who agrees! Theres to much hassle going to the police just to get a " We are dealing with it" and then it ends up disapearing without a trace!
And to that comment about the "Another Asian Man" Comment! The sexual Harraser was an asian male! So dont even think about playing the whole race issue on me pal? Wasnt me who sexual harrased a innocent girl!
I have to agree that whilst our police and justice system is currently under performing I dont believe things are quite so clear cut as KenH's and Twiglet's black and white simplistic idealist viewpoint.
dosn`t sound like a thug to me. he just sounds like a loyal friend who was trying to protect his female mate.
dosn`t sound like a thug to me. he just sounds like a loyal friend who was trying to protect his female mate.
You aren't protecting someone if they aren't being attacked at the time. It never ceases to amaze me that people will not call the police and then claim something serious was happeing but that "the police wouldn't have done anything". If you don't call them then how can you know? I think it is because thugs would much rather attack someone, this is their first choice, it isn't about protection, it is about aggression.
Serendipity1 05-03-2007, 09:27 If this happened to a member of their family or friends these people im sure would have done exactly the same!! Im 100% sure of it they would, non of this P.C rubbish that the worlds turning into now! Cos if you stook by the rules then people would just walk all over you! This was a friend who got bothered so i stuck up for her! And if the same happened again! With no hesitation id do it again!
Had my husband managed to pull the bloke through the window he would have seriously beaten him up.
and rightly so. I`m surprised you didn`t go into labour. hope you`re ok jen
Serendipity1 05-03-2007, 09:30 You aren't protecting someone if they aren't being attacked at the time. It never ceases to amaze me that people will not call the police and then claim something serious was happeing but that "the police wouldn't have done anything". If you don't call them then how can you know? I think it is because thugs would much rather attack someone, this is their first choice, it isn't about protection, it is about aggression.
Refer To Jen13D post You idiot! and refer to the othe rpost about the guy smacking a WOMAN in the jaw, she rang the police and what did they do?
Its Not the Bloody Bill this is real life!
If this happened to a member of their family or friends these people im sure would have done exactly the same!! Im 100% sure of it they would, non of this P.C rubbish that the worlds turning into now! Cos if you stook by the rules then people would just walk all over you! This was a friend who got bothered so i stuck up for her! And if the same happened again! With no hesitation id do it again!
If he did carry out a sexual assualt then he will do it again and the police won't catch him because it wasn't reported. You can't report it now because you attacked him rather than behaving properly. Your sort think that most people would do the same but the truth is that most people prefer not to resort to violence on every occasion.
Refer To Jen13D post You idiot! and refer to the othe rpost about the guy smacking a WOMAN in the jaw, she rang the police and what did they do?
Its Not the Bloody Bill this is real life!
She says they hav't done anything YET. If your friend was sexually assualted then they would have done something sharpish.
Serendipity1 05-03-2007, 09:34 KenH what about the lady who got punched several times then? answer that one!
You live in a dream world mate ! The guy who did it wud maybe think twice if he got a pasting! if i saw him in town again! Id do him again! no question!
I have been in the same position, my pregnant friend was getting groped by a man who was with 3 or 4 friends. i slapped him and he pinned me up against a wall by my throat. They eventually left us alone unharmed. We phoned the police who were there quite quickly but they failed to find the men or take the issue any further!! It was a very dangerous situation to be in but there was no one else around to help. I was just trying to stick up for my friend. On that occasion the situation was made worse but it would not stop me from doing the same again if i had to.
if i saw him in town again! Id do him again! no question!
Who exactly would you be "protecting" if you just happen to see him again? It would be difficult to think of a more obvious example of pointless thuggery than attacking someone in the street at some time in the future because you had previously attacked them having been told by a third party that they harassed them. If you carry out such an assult then the victim will simply say "I have never seen this person before" and you will go to gaol.
This wasn't 'defending' or 'protecting' a friend. The original poster says that the victim had returned safely to their flat, which was why I asked how he knew it was the correct person as she was no longer present at the scene. This was revenge pure and simple, to make the poster feel better themselves. The police will NOT support this action, they would if it genuinely had been a case of defending or protecting someone in the course of them being attacked.
This action by the OP has jeopardised any chance of the offender being prosecuted and sentenced appropriately.
She says they hav't done anything YET. If your friend was sexually assualted then they would have done something sharpish.
no, they havn`t, and i don`t have much confidence that they will.
the crazy thing is when it happened my oh went looking for him, i was the one telling him not to hit him because i didn`t want him to get into trouble.
if i`d have known that the police was so slack then i so wouldn`t have.
lalaland 05-03-2007, 09:41 I Went for a few pints in town for someones leaving do from work and a group of us walked to fargate.
One of the Girls lives on trippet lane so we let her walk home as she insisted whilst everyone went there seperate ways with me going to mcdonalds! lol
Anyhow i got a phone call from this girl saying a asian guy was harrasing her and suggesting she have sex with him! she ran away and just got to her flat after he touched her up several times. She rang me and i ran to trippet lane!
Was i right giving this bloke a good pasting (Albeit with a mcdonalds bag in one hand) or should i have rang the police! The girl in question was well shook up and crying.You were 100% in the wrong. You yourself committed a criminal act and are in no way better than the man you claim harrased your friend.
You carried out what you saw as justice against this person, but in doing so you became a vigilante and assaulted him. If he's complained to the Police and there's any evidence such as CCTV footage then there's a very good chance that you'll be in the Magistrate's court before too long looking at ABH or similar. And I feel that you will deserve this, through your own addmission you 'gave this bloke a good pasting'.
What gives you the right to harm another person in this way?
I am sorry, but I see you as no more than a thug and do believe you were wrong in what you did.
If the answer your guna say is the later one then how come it takes them so long to do anything about it when this bloke could easily had done it again if i hadn't have done anything to him.As you or your friend didn't call the Police how do you know how long it would have taken them to attend the incident? Town is full of Police in the evenings and there's also a heavier presence in that area due to events in the past, I suspect the response would have been quicker than you think.
You also ask what's to stop him 'doing it again', what did he actually do? If the events were as serious as your friend claims then why did this man hang around the area long enough for you to run to Trippet Lane, go to her flat, find out what happened and then be pointed out by your friend?
Also, has your friend reported this?
Is it right for someone whos harrased a innocent woman to get away scot free?If this man acted in the way you describe then yes, he did wrong and shouldn't be getting away 'scot free'. However your own actions were also wrong. You committed a criminal offence just as you claim he did, how do you feel about that? Your anger towards this person when you believed he'd upset your friend caused you to act violently and cause him harm. I don't understand how you can even think that's acceptable.
Ive read a few threads about people getting mugged on here and wondering either to fight back or ring the police! im sorry but if it involves getting beaten up innocently, getting possesions stolen or a girl getting attacked then im all for revenge! That's the difference and it's a big difference. If someone's being attacked or mugged and use reasonable force to defend themselves then they are acting in defence. If someone comes to their aid during the attack and defends them using reasonable force then again, that's defence. I wouldn't think anyone here would have a problem with someone acting in such a way. However your actions were not defence, they were revenge. You wanted to harm this person because your friend told you he had upset her. You weren't saving her, you were angry and by the sounds of it fueled by alcohol, so you attacked this man that you believed had previously upset your friend. There's a huge difference in what you did and that difference makes it criminal and disgusting.
Serendipity1 05-03-2007, 09:41 is it me or are kenH and twiglet guy in sum kind P.C dream world?
Morally you may have been right if you are sure that you had the right man, but then deciding the level of punishment that fitted the crime would probably best be done somewhere other than a dark street. In law you have definitely commited assault and in law such vigilanty action would not be regarded as being a mitigating factor, but then you probably knew this and weighed it up before getting involved.
What I think you were deffinitly wrong about is posting on the forum, firstly you leave yourself open to prosecution should the man you attacked make a complaint, or the attack was seen on cctv, afterall you just made an admission. Secondly you make the rest of us complicit in your actions by either our support or our silence.
Should someone admit to a murder on the forum I'm sure that the police would find out and take action, the question is will they do so for this sort of revenge (your own word) assault?
Camrat78 05-03-2007, 09:44 The fact is that with policing at the moment, the only way to get any justice is to take it yourself. I personnally think you did the right thing. Something similar happened to my best mate (female) a few years ago. An Asian man tried to sexually assault her whilst on a night out. Luckly I heard it happenening and kicked the living crap out of him.
That my friends is justice.
lalaland 05-03-2007, 09:47 why are you all turning on serendipity when all he has done is defend his friend?The need for defence had passed, he acted out of anger and possibly alcohol fueled rage to harm the man in revenge for an event he didn't even witness. His actions were disgusting and criminal and reading his posts on here would suggest he feels no remorse for what he's done.
I was assaulted 4 weeks ago by a man who has mental problems, two of my kids were with me at the time. This happened in broad daylight, in a shop with excellent cctv. The police have viewed the cctv, them man has rang them and said that he`s punched me several times (damaging my jaw, cutting my lip and knocking my front tooth out).
The police still havn`t arrested him.
Hardly gives you confidence in the police does it?
good for you serendipity!I am sorry to hear that and hope you have recovered. If you feel the Police haven't taken appropriate action then I would complain. I don't believe for one minute though that your experience gives anyone the right to attack another person.
lalaland 05-03-2007, 09:49 exactly - leave serendipity alone.
I believe you did the right thing, the police are not stupid and they'd back you up. All you have to say in a statement is that you feared for yours or your friends life and you'd be fine.Quite the opposite. This is clearly a case of a revenge beating, not defence. They didn't have to leave the flat to look for the man, the event had passed, there was no need for force. If the Police were involved then serendipity would more than likely be arrested for his crime and rightly do too.
Last week we had a bloke climb some scaffolding outside our bedroom window, (we live in apartments that are having external decoration done)when my husband challanged him about why he was on the scaffolding at 3:30am he ran towards him and tried to kick him in the head. My husband grabbed his foot and he tried to struggle free by slamming the window down on my husbands head. I dialled 999 and the police came - they were VERY heavy handed, and rightly so.
Had my husband managed to pull the bloke through the window he would have seriously beaten him up.That's a different situation. Had your husband have gone out looking for this man in the street and beaten him up for what he'd done previously then the Police would have also arrested your husband.
You have to recognise the difference between defence and revenge.
2437_SNT 05-03-2007, 09:50 The fact is that with policing at the moment, the only way to get any justice is to take it yourself. I personnally think you did the right thing. Something similar happened to my best mate (female) a few years ago. An Asian man tried to sexually assault her whilst on a night out. Luckly I heard it happenening and kicked the living crap out of him.
That my friends is justice.
Oh dear, what kind of a world are we living in when people think they can 'kick the living crap' out of people??? It absolutely amazes me that people think that this kind of barbaric act is seen as 'Justice'.
Whats to say then that this person doesn't then exact their own 'justice' on you?
Serendipity1 05-03-2007, 09:50 You were 100% in the wrong. You yourself committed a criminal act and are in no way better than the man you claim harrased your friend.
You carried out what you saw as justice against this person, but in doing so you became a vigilante and assaulted him. If he's complained to the Police and there's any evidence such as CCTV footage then there's a very good chance that you'll be in the Magistrate's court before too long looking at ABH or similar. And I feel that you will deserve this, through your own addmission you 'gave this bloke a good pasting'.
What gives you the right to harm another person in this way?
I am sorry, but I see you as no more than a thug and do believe you were wrong in what you did.
As you or your friend didn't call the Police how do you know how long it would have taken them to attend the incident? Town is full of Police in the evenings and there's also a heavier presence in that area due to events in the past, I suspect the response would have been quicker than you think.
You also ask what's to stop him 'doing it again', what did he actually do? If the events were as serious as your friend claims then why did this man hang around the area long enough for you to run to Trippet Lane, go to her flat, find out what happened and then be pointed out by your friend?
Also, has your friend reported this?
If this man acted in the way you describe then yes, he did wrong and shouldn't be getting away 'scot free'. However your own actions were also wrong. You committed a criminal offence just as you claim he did, how do you feel about that? Your anger towards this person when you believed he'd upset your friend caused you to act violently and cause him harm. I don't understand how you can even think that's acceptable.
That's the difference and it's a big difference. If someone's being attacked or mugged and use reasonable force to defend themselves then they are acting in defence. If someone comes to their aid during the attack and defends them using reasonable force then again, that's defence. I wouldn't think anyone here would have a problem with someone acting in such a way. However your actions were not defence, they were revenge. You wanted to harm this person because your friend told you he had upset her. You weren't saving her, you were angry and by the sounds of it fueled by alcohol, so you attacked this man that you believed had previously upset your friend. There's a huge difference in what you did and that difference makes it criminal and disgusting.
Your Name Says It All Mate LaLaLand!
lalaland 05-03-2007, 09:51 Thank You ! At least Theres someone who agrees! Theres to much hassle going to the police just to get a " We are dealing with it" and then it ends up disapearing without a trace!
And to that comment about the "Another Asian Man" Comment! The sexual Harraser was an asian male! So dont even think about playing the whole race issue on me pal? Wasnt me who sexual harrased a innocent girl!No it wasn't, it was you that assaulted a man.
lalaland 05-03-2007, 09:51 dosn`t sound like a thug to me. he just sounds like a loyal friend who was trying to protect his female mate.He wasn't acting to protect her, he was acting to get revenge. There's a massive difference.
The fact is that with policing at the moment, the only way to get any justice is to take it yourself. I personnally think you did the right thing. Something similar happened to my best mate (female) a few years ago. An Asian man tried to sexually assault her whilst on a night out. Luckly I heard it happenening and kicked the living crap out of him.
That my friends is justice.
well done mate, but be careful cos the do gooders will turn on you next!
lalaland 05-03-2007, 09:54 If this happened to a member of their family or friends these people im sure would have done exactly the same!! Im 100% sure of it they would, non of this P.C rubbish that the worlds turning into now!It's not P.C. rubbish, you assaulted someone. You committed a criminal offence. You are a criminal just as you suggest this man that you attacked is.
Cos if you stook by the rules then people would just walk all over you!You didn't stick to the rules and as a result someone was assaulted. Had you have stuck to the rules then nobody would have been assaulted. You 'walked all over' that man when you chose to break the law.
This was a friend who got bothered so i stuck up for her! And if the same happened again! With no hesitation id do it again!Then I hope you are taken off the streets before you seriously hurt someone.
Camrat78 05-03-2007, 09:55 Oh dear, what kind of a world are we living in when people think they can 'kick the living crap' out of people??? It absolutely amazes me that people think that this kind of barbaric act is seen as 'Justice'.
Whats to say then that this person doesn't then exact their own 'justice' on you?
So what would you have me do? My friend is crying after nearly being raped. Should I just tell him to go on his way?
Rubbish!
He got off lightly with a beating. Hopefully it would make him think twice before doing anything again. Should have cut his knob off really.
He wasn't acting to protect her, he was acting to get revenge. There's a massive difference.
he had it coming, if you going to dish it out then you must be willing to take it.
if people had faith in the police then they wouldn`t do things like this!
I hate to be contraversial, but how's this for an idea.
Instead of beating the crap out of these people, how about performing a citizens arrest, and handing him over to the police? That would ensure your not in trouble yourself and that the vilain not only gets punished but gets a criminal record.
well done mate, but be careful cos the do gooders will turn on you next!
It is more likely that we will get assualted and have no idea why. Imagine walking down the street and have someone attack you. You call the police and the attacker says "a friend told me he harassed her and pointed him out, and then I spotted him later and gave him a good pasting". The attacker then goes on a forum and looks for support for his assult by claiming he was protecting someone by attacking someone sometime later who he is pretty sure must be the right person because they were pointed out.
So what would you have me do? My friend is crying after nearly being raped. Should I just tell him to go on his way?
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If someone can give another person a "pasting" then they can hold them until the police arive.
lalaland 05-03-2007, 09:58 Oh dear, what kind of a world are we living in when people think they can 'kick the living crap' out of people??? It absolutely amazes me that people think that this kind of barbaric act is seen as 'Justice'.
Whats to say then that this person doesn't then exact their own 'justice' on you?
Or what's to say that this person deserved the kicking? Both the girl and serendipity sound like they were drinking that night, did she identify the right person?
There have been cases in the past where vigilantes have attacked the wrong person, in some cases killing them. Funnily enough, they don't hand themselves in to the Police when they realise this. So who's the criminal?
Camrat78 05-03-2007, 09:58 But in my situation, I witnessed the assualt. You still saying he didnt deserve a beating???
lalaland 05-03-2007, 09:59 Your Name Says It All Mate LaLaLand!
I put up a response to your post and answered your question and all you can do in response to my points is make a comment on my username. I think that about sums it up.......
Camrat78 05-03-2007, 10:00 If someone can give another person a "pasting" then they can hold them until the police arive.
Yeah, maybe, but when the police arrive they'll be no justice. He'd have just got held in cells over night, maybe not even that.
I have no faith in the justice system because there never seems to be any.
well done mate, but be careful cos the do gooders will turn on you next!
Vastly different scenario, he heard it happening and intervened. He didn't get a phone call a significant time after the event and then go to seek out a suspect with the sole purpose of exacting revenge on behalf of another. I still couldn't necessarily condone it but it is understandable.
2007 appears to be the year of the "Someone did something to me/my friend/my family and I battered them, aren't I a hero? Love me! Love me!" threads.
2437_SNT 05-03-2007, 10:01 But in my situation, I witnessed the assualt. You still saying he didnt deserve a beating???
Grow up.. An assault is a criminal act.. so you decide to do the same??! You are no better than the person you witnessed.
JFKvsNixon 05-03-2007, 10:02 But in my situation, I witnessed the assualt. You still saying he didnt deserve a beating???
I think he deserved gaol more.
Serendipity1 05-03-2007, 10:02 Or what's to say that this person deserved the kicking? Both the girl and serendipity sound like they were drinking that night, did she identify the right person?
There have been cases in the past where vigilantes have attacked the wrong person, in some cases killing them. Funnily enough, they don't hand themselves in to the Police when they realise this. So who's the criminal?
if u call 2 pints of lager and 3 halfs of pepsi a heavy night of alcohol then god i must have been wasted!
You really are pathetic!
lalaland 05-03-2007, 10:03 well done mate, but be careful cos the do gooders will turn on you next!
Or maybe you should be careful in case this person turns on you mistaking you for someone that's done wrong.
lalaland 05-03-2007, 10:06 he had it coming, if you going to dish it out then you must be willing to take it.
if people had faith in the police then they wouldn`t do things like this!
The people that give it back to the people 'dishing it out' are no better than the people they are beating up. They are all criminals and need to be dealt with by the law.
Camrat78 05-03-2007, 10:06 2007 appears to be the year of the "Someone did something to me/my friend/my family and I battered them, aren't I a hero? Love me! Love me!" threads.
Crap! This is soemthing that happened years ago, and I've not thought of it until I read this thread. I wasn't even going to post until I read some of the left wing clap-trap thats been spouted on here. No wonder this country is going down the drain.
I think in this day and age,if i were with a friend who lived in a vunerable part of town, i would walk then to there place of abode.
But if they lived further afield and required a taxi ride home, i would walk then to said taxi, or wait till a black cab was pulled over before i left them.
Then you are pretty sure that no one is gonna start any trouble or do anything stupid.!
jt
This thread pretends to ask a question, which most people seem to be answering as "call the police". However, he doesn't want to hear this and is now in a huff because normal people don't think he should assult someone else based on hearsay. Why wasn't the question phrased as "Am I great for belting someone who probably upset a girl I know - Please say I am".
Camrat78 05-03-2007, 10:07 But they wont be dealt with by the law, thats my point!
lalaland 05-03-2007, 10:07 I hate to be contraversial, but how's this for an idea.
Instead of beating the crap out of these people, how about performing a citizens arrest, and handing him over to the police? That would ensure your not in trouble yourself and that the vilain not only gets punished but gets a criminal record.
A citizens arrest is a much better option than beating the crap out of someone, although obviously it must be done with caution by the person carrying it out. If the case comes to court and the jury believe the defendent then the person carrying out the citizens arrest may face charges for detaining the person, although it would be a lot less serious than charges for assaulting them. Also caution for personal safety when detaining someone, of course.
I do agree with you though, detain them, not assault them.
2437_SNT 05-03-2007, 10:09 if u call 2 pints of lager and 3 halfs of pepsi a heavy night of alcohol then god i must have been wasted!
You really are pathetic!
alcohol effects peoples perceptions and reactions greatly on the smallest amounts.. why do you think some people can be over the drink drive limit after a pint or two?
Why do you think half of all violent crime is drink related?
Serendipity1 05-03-2007, 10:09 This thread pretends to ask a question, which most people seem to be answering as "call the police". However, he doesn't want to hear this and is now in a huff because normal people don't think he should assult someone else based on hearsay. Why wasn't the question phrased as "Am I great for belting someone who probably upset a girl I know - Please say I am".
Think the majority are saying i did right mate! Apart from u and lala dipsy and Po lol
lalaland 05-03-2007, 10:11 if u call 2 pints of lager and 3 halfs of pepsi a heavy night of alcohol then god i must have been wasted!Please point out where I said it was?
You really are pathetic!I think the only pathetic person here is you. You harmed someone out of anger, you couldn't contain or control yourself and are a criminal. You are just as much a threat to our society as you perceive the man you attacked to be.
Serendipity1 05-03-2007, 10:11 alcohol effects peoples perceptions and reactions greatly on the smallest amounts.. why do you think some people can be over the drink drive limit after a pint or two?
Why do you think half of all violent crime is drink related?
Take it as thou your one of these people who have half a lager and claim there drunk!
2 pints of lager and 3 pepsis over 5 hours! Think i would have been sobber by then!
Serendipity1 05-03-2007, 10:13 Please point out where I said it was?
I think the only pathetic person here is you. You harmed someone out of anger, you couldn't contain or control yourself and are a criminal. You are just as much a threat to our society as you perceive the man you attacked to be.
Ok Then Say a man touched up your mother, Female friend or sister(if u have any of them) and sexually assualted her. She then rang u up and said help! This guy was visable to you after talking to this woman! You'd just ring the police and either let him go or detain him for an hour till the police arrived!(Thats how long it takes them nowadays).
You wouldnt beat the hell out of him just because its not Right!
lalaland 05-03-2007, 10:13 Think the majority are saying i did right mate! Apart from u and lala dipsy and Po lolUnfortunately some people are blinded by revenge and think that carrying out a criminal act is acceptable in this case.
And did you want a serious debate in to this or are you just here to call names?
Are you actually old enough to be buying alcohol?
JFKvsNixon 05-03-2007, 10:14 How do you know this pervert isn't doing this every night? How do you know he hasn't commited serious assults in past? How do you know he won't commited serious assults in the future?
You have done nothing to make this country safer, this pervert is still free to do what he wants to. All you have done is make your self feel better by gaining revenge, you had a good chance to put him in the hands of the police.
But they wont be dealt with by the law, thats my point!
They won't now (I'm referring specifically to Serendipty's situation not the one you pointed out earlier).
I'll point out at this point as there seems to be some confusion earlier, I'm female. I've been in a situation where many people offered to 'sort someone out', with no alcohol involved at all. I never wanted anyone to do this and am damn glad they didn't as the situation was dealt with via the appropriate channels. If they had stepped in, it would have jeopardised everything and I'd have been left in a real mess.
The people who do this are usually doing it for their own benefit and to play the hero and impress whoever they are 'saving' (even if they are only exacting revenge and not actually defending anybody). The fact is it causes huge problems, jeopardises any legal proceedings and in fact leaves the assaulter scot free to go off and do it again.
2437_SNT 05-03-2007, 10:14 Take it as thou your one of these people who have half a lager and claim there drunk!
2 pints of lager and 3 pepsis over 5 hours! Think i would have been sobber by then!
When did I mention anything about my drinking?!
lalaland 05-03-2007, 10:16 alcohol effects peoples perceptions and reactions greatly on the smallest amounts.. why do you think some people can be over the drink drive limit after a pint or two?
Why do you think half of all violent crime is drink related?A good point. Alcohol in the past has led to accusations similar to this turning out to be an innapropriate comment and nothing more, who's to say that wasn't the case here? Admittedly an innapropraite comment would also be wrong, but wouldn't deserve a beating. There's also the chance the wrong man was identified after the incident. The fear, excitment, alcohol effects etc. was she thinking clearly?
So many factors that could have meant the wrong person got a beating or even that someone who acted incorrectly but maybe not as seriously as thought was harmed.
It's worrying that people can react in such a way.
JFKvsNixon 05-03-2007, 10:16 How do you know this pervert isn't doing this every night? How do you know he hasn't commited serious assults in past? How do you know he won't commited serious assults in the future?
You have done nothing to make this country safer, this pervert is still free to do what he wants to. All you have done is make your self feel better by gaining revenge, you had a good chance to put him in the hands of the police.
Infact if the pervert assults one of my friends / family can I hold you partially accountable? Because as I said above you could have had the opportunity to take him off the streets.
Think the majority are saying i did right mate! Apart from u and lala dipsy and Po lol
You think wrong, I have counted them. There are 5 for you, 9 against and 3 who don't answer the question. I can list them or you can go back and count for yourself (you can use your fingers if you like).
You'd just ring the police and either let him go or detain him for an hour till the police arrived!(Thats how long it takes them nowadays).
and longer, six hours after my assault the police arrived and that was only because my oh told them he was going to wait for him the next day and sort it out himself.
Serendipity1 05-03-2007, 10:21 Infact if the pervert assults one of my friends / family can I hold you partially accountable? Because as I said above you could have had the opportunity to take him off the streets.
You big muppet! Can u hold me responsible! Get A Bloody life mate! Thats the most pathetic thing if ever heard!
I Give a sexual harraser a beating cos he did it to my mate and your saying if it happens again im responsible for not having him locked up!
How many sexual assualters have there been that have got arrested and never don it again. Too Blame me for this guys actions! Are You His Mother!
Grow Up!
Camrat78 05-03-2007, 10:21 This is starting to get a bit childish now. It's like being back at school, saying how many you have in your gang etc.
lalaland 05-03-2007, 10:25 Ok Then Say a man touched up your mother, Female friend or sister(if u have any of them) and sexually assualted her. She then rang u up and said help! This guy was visable to you after talking to this woman! You'd just ring the police and either let him go or detain him for an hour till the police arrived!(Thats how long it takes them nowadays).If the attacker was still in the area for some bizzare reason and I had enough reason to believe he'd attacked the person in such a way then I would immediately call the Police and either detain the attacker with reasonable force or follow at a safe distance guiding the officers in to his location until he was arrested.
I can assure you that a call about a sexual assault would get a much quicker response than an hour as you claim.
You wouldnt beat the hell out of him just because its not Right!I would certainly not beat the hell out anyone. I admit I would feel anger towards this person, but I would contain that and not allow it to control me or make me committ an offence myself.
2437_SNT 05-03-2007, 10:25 You big muppet! Can u hold me responsible! Get A Bloody life mate! Thats the most pathetic thing if ever heard!
I Give a sexual harraser a beating cos he did it to my mate and your saying if it happens again im responsible for not having him locked up!
How many sexual assualters have there been that have got arrested and never don it again. Too Blame me for this guys actions! Are You His Mother!
Grow Up!
I think what was meant was that if this person had been dealt with in the correct way i.e through the criminal law/courts avenue, having being reported to the police at the time, then they may well have received a conviction or treatment programme etc. And become known to the police. all this could well have helped in preventing any further offending.
I Give a sexual harraser a beating cos he did it to my mate and your saying if it happens again im responsible for not having him locked up!
How many sexual assualters have there been that have got arrested and never don it again. Too Blame me for this guys actions! Are You His Mother!
Grow Up!
If someone is arrested for a sexual assualt then they might be convicted. If they are convicted then they will be put on the sex offenders register which means they will be prevented from working with children or vunerable people. If there really was a sexual assualt then you could have taken the responsible path and it might have prevented children being molested.
JFKvsNixon 05-03-2007, 10:26 You big muppet! Can u hold me responsible! Get A Bloody life mate! Thats the most pathetic thing if ever heard!
I Give a sexual harraser a beating cos he did it to my mate and your saying if it happens again im responsible for not having him locked up!
How many sexual assualters have there been that have got arrested and never don it again. Too Blame me for this guys actions! Are You His Mother!
Grow Up!
Thats fine, but I am sure you would want to have a few "choice words" with me if I knew about, but did nothing about a pervert who went onto assult your friends and family.
Camrat78 05-03-2007, 10:30 The words are should be prevented from working with kids.... doesn't always happen though does it.
Cutting off the genatles of all rapists, that'd make sure it never happend again!
lalaland 05-03-2007, 10:31 You big muppet!Again with the name calling, can we have an adult discussion on this or not?
Can u hold me responsible! Get A Bloody life mate! Thats the most pathetic thing if ever heard!
I Give a sexual harraser a beating cos he did it to my mate and your saying if it happens again im responsible for not having him locked up!You gave a beating to someone you believed to be a 'sexual harraser'.
And they make a good point. If this person did do what you friend claims then maybe there's a chance they will do more in the future to someone else (there's also the chance they won't). However they will go undetected at present because you didn't report it and I doubt you will now you've assaulted him and would more than likely face charges yourself.
How many sexual assualters have there been that have got arrested and never don it again. Too Blame me for this guys actions! Are You His Mother!
Grow Up!I don't think you're being blamed for the actions you accuse this man of committing. What's being pointed out is that you had the chance to have this man checked out, yet you've allowed him to slip away unrecorded to do whatever you think he does. If he does committ a serious offence of a similar nature in the future how will you feel knowing you could have made the Police aware of him and may have been able to prevent it? It may be that if this person is actually doing what you claim that in future he carries a weapon on him because he doesn't want another beating.
As i commented earlier, my pregnant friend was groped by a man in town i was pinned up by my throat. The police failed to locate these men! Nothing else was done about it!!!
2437_SNT 05-03-2007, 10:34 As i commented earlier, my pregnant friend was groped by a man in town i was pinned up by my throat. The police failed to locate these men! Nothing else was done about it!!!
Nothing else apart from what?
Trawling intelligence records?, CCTV footage? description circulations?
The police cant just pluck a suspect from thin air...
Camrat78 05-03-2007, 10:36 Are you confidant that the police would have even gone to the extent of looking at CCTV footage, beacause I'm not.
they never mentioned anything about CCTV footage. they only took statements from us in the street
if the british public had faith in the police and justice system then incidents like this would not occur.
until faith is restored then people will carry on taking matters into their own hands.
JFKvsNixon 05-03-2007, 10:40 As i commented earlier, my pregnant friend was groped by a man in town i was pinned up by my throat. The police failed to locate these men! Nothing else was done about it!!!
This sounds absolutly awful, this is nothing like the situation that has been described the original poster. The original poster had the opportunity to have the attackers arrested, unlike you.
2437_SNT 05-03-2007, 10:40 Are you confidant that the police would have even gone to the extent of looking at CCTV footage, beacause I'm not.
CCTV is probably one of the best tools in the fight against crime. If there is CCTV, the police WILL check it.
Are you confidant that the police would have even gone to the extent of looking at CCTV footage, beacause I'm not.
this thread has prompted me to ring the police and find out about my incident.
the officer dealing isn`t available and they have lost cctv!!!!!
they are so professional arn`t they??
This sounds absolutly awful, this is nothing like the situation that has been described the original poster. The original poster had the opportunity to have the attackers arrested, unlike you.
The man from the origional post was not likely to wait around until the police showed up. If he had left the scene the police were more than likely NOT going to locate the man.
JFKvsNixon 05-03-2007, 10:45 if the british public had faith in the police and justice system then incidents like this would not occur.
until faith is restored then people will carry on taking matters into their own hands.
I would have sympethy and would understand the original poster more if he tried the justice system, and it let him down; and then he assulted the pervert. He never gave the justice system a chance though.
Camrat78 05-03-2007, 10:45 if the british public had faith in the police and justice system then incidents like this would not occur.
until faith is restored then people will carry on taking matters into their own hands.
Could not agree more!!
Serendipity1 05-03-2007, 10:45 this thread has prompted me to ring the police and find out about my incident.
the officer dealing isn`t available and they have lost cctv!!!!!
they are so professional arn`t they??
Enough Said! Just goes to Show that if your in trouble the police will sort it out............... think not!
Lost Evidence thats pathetic!
JFKvsNixon 05-03-2007, 10:47 The man from the origional post was not likely to wait around until the police showed up. If he had left the scene the police were more than likely NOT going to locate the man.
Why shouldn't the original poster hang around untill the police arrived, I know I would have.
Camrat78 05-03-2007, 10:47 this thread has prompted me to ring the police and find out about my incident.
the officer dealing isn`t available and they have lost cctv!!!!!
they are so professional arn`t they??
My point exactly. My sympathy goes to you, but is it any wonder when things like this happen (and this is no means an isoltaed event) people decide to take matters into there own hands?
lalaland 05-03-2007, 10:48 if the british public had faith in the police and justice system then incidents like this would not occur.
until faith is restored then people will carry on taking matters into their own hands.
The Police do a good job most of the time, unfortunately it's the courts and current law that lets everyone down. If the courts gave out harsher punishments and the law allowed for this then we'd all be happier.
You also have to remember that the Police are limited in resources and can only work with what they have. In an ideal world they'd have plenty of cash, but each year this isn't the case. Recruitment of new officers is lower than most forces want because of the lack of funding from the government. New kit, training, over time etc. all costs money. If there was more funding for the Police then there'd be more officers on the streets, more resources and I am sure more members of the public would be happier with the service they give. Having said that, I believe the Police forces in our country give an excellent service and do the best with what they have.
Another hindrence to the Police is when the public closes up. How many people won't talk to the Police or help with enquiries. How many people protect their relitives or friends from prosecution despite knowing they've committed a crime? If everyone works together, including the Police and the public, then a lot more crimes would see convictions.
Taking matters in to your own hands only means further crimes are committed and a divide between the Police and public relations is formed as people don't believe their friend or relative should be charged for their heavy handed own justice when in reality they should be for their crime.
As with any line of work there's never going to be a 100% success rate, but not having faith in our Police service and assaulting people instead of reporting crimes is certainly not the answer.
Why shouldn't the original poster hang around untill the police arrived, I know would have.
Sorry i meant the guy who had done the harrassing not the poster
JFKvsNixon 05-03-2007, 10:51 this thread has prompted me to ring the police and find out about my incident.
the officer dealing isn`t available and they have lost cctv!!!!!
they are so professional arn`t they??
You have grounds for a complaint with this very serious alligation.
lalaland 05-03-2007, 10:52 The man from the origional post was not likely to wait around until the police showed up. If he had left the scene the police were more than likely NOT going to locate the man.He seemed to have waited around long enough for the girl's friend to run to her location, enter her flat, find out what had happened, exit the flat and then identify him. That seems like quite a long period to wait around for someone that had done what the OP's claiming.
He seemed to have waited around long enough for the girl's friend to run to her location, enter her flat, find out what had happened, exit the flat and then identify him. That seems like quite a long period to wait around for someone that had done what the OP's claiming.
Do you know all this for a fact? It doesn't take long for someone to phone their friend and explain to them they had been assaulted/harrassed etc!!
Maybe you would have to be in the situation yourself to fully realise just how you would react
You have grounds for a complaint with this very serious alligation.
yeah i know, just spoke to the police and am waiting for someone to ring me back. i will be making an appointment with my solicitor concerning this.
JFKvsNixon 05-03-2007, 10:55 Sorry i meant the guy who had done the harrassing not the poster
If the original poster "gave him a good kicking with one hand." I am sure he could have rung the police on his mobile whilst restraining the pervert.
Camrat78 05-03-2007, 10:55 Could that be becasue he knows the police couldn't touch him? After all there would be very little physical evidance and just be her word against his.
If the original poster "gave him a good kicking with one hand." I am sure he could have rung the police on his mobile whilst restraining the pervert.
And how long would it take the police to turn up? How long could you physically restrain someone?
Cutting off the genatles of all rapists, that'd make sure it never happend again!
Or perhaps cutting off the genitals of someone walking down the street who is pointed out by a drunk woman who says she was harassed earlier?
lalaland 05-03-2007, 11:01 Do you know all this for a fact? It doesn't take long for someone to phone their friend and explain to them they had been assaulted/harrassed etc!!
Maybe you would have to be in the situation yourself to fully realise just how you would react
I am going on what the OP's posted in this thread.
lalaland 05-03-2007, 11:02 And how long would it take the police to turn up? How long could you physically restrain someone?
You don't have to get physically involved. You can follow at a safe distance and guide the Police in to the person's location. This is safer for you and also removes any chance of charges being brought against you.
JFKvsNixon 05-03-2007, 11:02 And how long would it take the police to turn up? How long could you physically restrain someone?
If I could "give him a good kicking whilst holding a McDonalds bag", I am sure I could hold long enough for a 999 call to come.
Camrat78 05-03-2007, 11:03 Or perhaps cutting off the genitals of someone walking down the street who is pointed out by a drunk woman who says she was harassed earlier?
Of CONVICTED rapists and child abusers... Yes!
Camrat78 05-03-2007, 11:06 You don't have to get physically involved. You can follow at a safe distance and guide the Police in to the person's location. This is safer for you and also removes any chance of charges being brought against you.
Nice idea, but in reality not very likely to happen. If you were spotted by him following him, he'd either run off or try to have a go at you.
Of CONVICTED rapists and child abusers... Yes!
So you think that the police should always be called so that there can be a conviction?
You don't have to get physically involved. You can follow at a safe distance and guide the Police in to the person's location. This is safer for you and also removes any chance of charges being brought against you.
if the person realises he is been followed hes not gonna make it easy for you to follow him.
Anyway all i'm saying is if i could've given the guy who groped my friend and pinned me up a pasting i would've. Instead of him getting away with it completly and more than likely doing it again. He is scum and should not be protected by anyone!!
If I could "give him a good kicking whilst holding a McDonalds bag", I am sure I could hold long enough for a 999 call to come.
The guy deserved a kicking simple as
JFKvsNixon 05-03-2007, 11:14 The guy deserved a kicking simple as
The pervert also deserved to have his collar felt to find out if he had any previous sexuall assults, and to potentially stop any future attacks. This is simple to understand isn't it?
Serendipity1 05-03-2007, 11:15 He seemed to have waited around long enough for the girl's friend to run to her location, enter her flat, find out what had happened, exit the flat and then identify him. That seems like quite a long period to wait around for someone that had done what the OP's claiming.
She was on the mobile while the attack was happening then the phone was cut off! so i got there and she pointed him out to me! This all happened in the space of 2 minutes! You wasnt there so dont even judge ! lala
The pervert also deserved to have his collar felt to find out if he had any previous sexuall assults, and to potentially stop any future attacks. This is simple to understand isn't it?
ok did the guy in my situation "have his collar felt" etc No. A good kicking may prevent him from doing it again
Camrat78 05-03-2007, 11:16 So you think that the police should always be called so that there can be a conviction?
It all depends on the circumstances. If a rape has actually taken place, then yeah, but in the circumstances given by myself and serendipity, where the scum is likely as not to not even be questioned by the police never mind be convicted then i dont blame anyone for doing what myself and others have done.
The pervert also deserved to have his collar felt to find out if he had any previous sexuall assults, and to potentially stop any future attacks. This is simple to understand isn't it?
I don't think it is simple to understand. I imagine that someone who resorts to violence like this will be of very low intelligence and so won't understand basic logic.
hang on. Or we could've asked the man politely to wait for the police. Make him a brew and a sarnie while he waits.......
but in the circumstances given by myself and serendipity, where the scum is likely as not to not even be questioned by the police never mind be convicted then i dont blame anyone for doing what myself and others have done.
What rubbish, they didn't even call the Police despite having plenty of time to do so!
What rubbish, they didn't even call the Police despite having plenty of time to do so!
I DID!!!!!
JFKvsNixon 05-03-2007, 11:19 ok did the guy in my situation "have his collar felt" etc No. A good kicking may prevent him from doing it again
But as far as I understand your attacker "got away with very little evidence against him." This attacker has been caught at the scene, there is a big difference.
Serendipity1 05-03-2007, 11:19 Or perhaps cutting off the genitals of someone walking down the street who is pointed out by a drunk woman who says she was harassed earlier?
She was on pepsi All Night! So how you work that out! There you go again blabbing on when u dont know the full story! ! Muppet!
I DID!!!!!
and so did i!!!!!!
But as far as I understand your attacker "got away with very little evidence against him." This attacker has been caught at the scene, there is a big difference.
Caught at the scene by her friend!!
The attacked would not have waited for the police!!!!!!!!!!!
I call on the original poster to contact the police and to hand himself in for the assault. Please all join me in pressing him to do this so that at least one criminal will be off the streets and possibly two.
Camrat78 05-03-2007, 11:23 And what woudl the police have done Ken? One pesons word against another, no physical evidance? I'll tell you what.... nothing.
And don't patronise me about lack of Intelligence, you know nothing about me and my education. Just because someone has differing opinions to you, does not make them stupid.
I call on the original poster to contact the police and to hand himself in for the assault. Please all join me in pressing him to do this so that at least one criminal will be off the streets and possibly two.
GET A GRIP MAN!!!
Camrat78 05-03-2007, 11:24 I call on the original poster to contact the police and to hand himself in for the assault. Please all join me in pressing him to do this so that at least one criminal will be off the streets and possibly two.
:loopy: :loopy: :loopy:
Serendipity1 05-03-2007, 11:24 I don't think it is simple to understand. I imagine that someone who resorts to violence like this will be of very low intelligence and so won't understand basic logic.
LOW INTELLIGENCE! is That Why im in a stable job for the government kicking out all these people who so call want to make Britain Better, but end up sexually assualting innocent women ! You Make me laugh you really do?
is That Why im in a stable job for the government kicking out all these people who so call want to make Britain Better, but end up sexually assualting innocent women !
I think you need to tell us much more about your job as I think it would help clarify things?
Serendipity1 05-03-2007, 11:27 I call on the original poster to contact the police and to hand himself in for the assault. Please all join me in pressing him to do this so that at least one criminal will be off the streets and possibly two.
Are You Jeremy Kyle or sumthin! Imagen the scene i walk in to the cop shop and say" Excuse me ive beat up a guy who sexually assualted my female friend please arrest me officer" Im pretty sure id get a pat on the back and a cup of tea more then anything!
Serendipity1 05-03-2007, 11:28 I think you need to tell us much more about your job as I think it would help clarify things?
According to you if i had low intelligence then i would tell you all about my job but Im not that stupid! You crazy Fool!
Are You Jeremy Kyle or sumthin! Imagen the scene i walk in to the cop shop and say" Excuse me ive beat up a guy who sexually assualted my female friend please arrest me officer" Im pretty sure id get a pat on the back and a cup of tea more then anything!
Why not tell us more about your job kicking these people out of Britain. What do you mean by "these people"?
Why not tell us more about your job kicking these people out of Britain. What do you mean by "these people"?
oh here we go!
please don`t try and turn this into one of those " your racist i`m not threads".
Serendipity1 05-03-2007, 11:31 Why not tell us more about your job kicking these people out of Britain. What do you mean by "these people"?
Foreign nationals who Rape and Sexual Assualt People!
JFKvsNixon 05-03-2007, 11:31 Caught at the scene by her friend!!
The attacked would not have waited for the police!!!!!!!!!!!
At the risk of boring people by repeating myself. Her friend, the original poster, had the opportunity to hold the pervert untill the police arrived. He made the choice not to.
Foreign nationals who Rape and Sexual Assualt People!
So you say you have a job for the goverment kicking out foriegn nationals. Then in the next sentence you say "like" the person who allegedly attacked your friend. So this person was a "foreign national" was he, or is that code for "dark skinned"?
Camrat78 05-03-2007, 11:33 Why try to turn this into a racist argument? Is this the only way you feel you can win you point?
Why try to turn this into a racist argument? Is this the only way you feel you can win you point?
If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck .....
Camrat78 05-03-2007, 11:35 Even though it's not politicaly correct to say so, but foreigners also commit crimes.
At the risk of boring people by repeating myself. Her friend, the original poster, had the opportunity to hold the pervert untill the police arrived. He made the choice not to.
and as i have said how long could you physically restrain someone????
I really hope you are never in the situation where someone you care about has been sexually assaulted. and i hope you dont get angry. But rationally try to hold them, to wait - for who knows how long - until the police arrive!!
We do not live in an ideal world
JFKvsNixon 05-03-2007, 11:36 Foreign nationals who Rape and Sexual Assualt People!
Surely they should then go to gaol instead of being kick out? We wouldn't like if Gary Glitter was kicked out of Vietnam to return here scott free without facing gaol.
Surely they should then go to gaol instead of being kick out? We wouldn't like if Gary Glitter was kicked out of Vietnam to return here scott free without facing gaol.
Gary glitter would get a good kicking if he came back here
JFKvsNixon 05-03-2007, 11:41 and as i have said how long could you physically restrain someone????
I really hope you are never in the situation where someone you care about has been sexually assaulted. and i hope you dont get angry. But rationally try to hold them, to wait - for who knows how long - until the police arrive!!
We do not live in an ideal world
Again at the risk of boring people by repeating myself. If I could have "gave him a good kicking with one hand" I could have held him long enough.
There is nothing "ideal" about wanting someone to face justice instead of revenge.
JFKvsNixon 05-03-2007, 11:42 Gary glitter would get a good kicking if he came back here
Your point being?
Serendipity1 05-03-2007, 11:43 Gary glitter would get a good kicking if he came back here
Here Here!
End of the day these politically correct people (KenH and others are just looking for arguements) They havnt been in the situation that myself, lyndix, camrat, mel fly have been, we have, so how on earth do they know what theyd do and what gives them the right to tell us what we shud or shudnt have done
I really hope your friends or family dont rely on you. cos if they where in trouble what wud u do wait and ring the police!
Your pathetic!
Again at the risk of boring people by repeating myself. If I could have "gave him a good kicking with one hand" I could have held him long enough.
There is nothing "ideal" about wanting someone to face justice instead of revenge.
Yeah i'm bored.
You should have beaten him, and then phoned the police and say he tripped!
I really hope your friends or family dont rely on you. cos if they where in trouble what wud u do wait and ring the police!
If they were being attacked then I would defend them. However, you went looking for trouble as nobody was actually being attacked at the time you carried out your assualt.
Can we hear more about your job now, and perhaps how you knew your victim was foreign? Do you think that all foreigners come over here and harass women?
Here Here!
End of the day these politically correct people (KenH and others are just looking for arguements) They havnt been in the situation that myself, lyndix, camrat, mel fly have been, we have, so how on earth do they know what theyd do and what gives them the right to tell us what we shud or shudnt have done
I really hope your friends or family dont rely on you. cos if they where in trouble what wud u do wait and ring the police!
Your pathetic!
Spot on! That summerises it for me. End of, as far as i am concerned.
JFKvsNixon 05-03-2007, 11:48 Here Here!
End of the day these politically correct people (KenH and others are just looking for arguements) They havnt been in the situation that myself, lyndix, camrat, mel fly have been, we have, so how on earth do they know what theyd do and what gives them the right to tell us what we shud or shudnt have done
I really hope your friends or family dont rely on you. cos if they where in trouble what wud u do wait and ring the police!
Your pathetic!
Listen, I have no problem with you beating him up. My problem is that the police needed to "go over him" to find out if he has done it before etc. I hope he doesn't attack again.
JFKvsNixon 05-03-2007, 11:49 Yeah i'm bored.
Fair enough, I hope you have a nice life.
Serendipity1 05-03-2007, 11:49 If they were being attacked then I would defend them. However, you went looking for trouble as nobody was actually being attacked at the time you carried out your assualt.
Can we hear more about your job now, and perhaps how you knew your victim was foreign? Do you think that all foreigners come over here and harass women?
Ur so intigued in me Ken! WHY? a) He was asian b) he spoke in a foreign language c)You Need to know the truth! The truth not always comes out to the public! In my job i know more things that happen that people dont hear about! So to your question! You Need to know the truth!
JFKvsNixon 05-03-2007, 11:50 Can we hear more about your job now, and perhaps how you knew your victim was foreign?
He was asian wasn't he, surley asian people cannot be born here? So he must be foreign.
Fair enough, I hope you have a nice life.
Sorry. Had nothing to argue back. got a bit childish. Lets all be friends again
billyhill 05-03-2007, 11:52 Ur so intigued in me Ken! WHY? a) He was asian b) he spoke in a foreign language c)You Need to know the truth! The truth not always comes out to the public! In my job i know more things that happen that people dont hear about! So to your question! You Need to know the truth!
What a d**k. Aren't I mysterious? Get a life! Your arguements and the thread of your "story" is full of holes.
Serendipity1 05-03-2007, 11:53 Not even going to answer that! Obviously ur sumone who plays the race card at everything that sounds like it could fall under?
God i bet ur lifes intresting!
...The truth not always comes out to the public! In my job i know more things that happen that people dont hear about! So to your question! You Need to know the truth!
I'm intrigued. What's your job, and what is this 'truth'? Tell us more... :suspect:
Serendipity1 05-03-2007, 11:55 Like i said im not daft i aint saying what my job is no chance! i actually think before i speak unlike the majority of Political correct people on here who seem to know every answer to lifes problems!
JFKvsNixon 05-03-2007, 11:56 Sorry. Had nothing to argue back. got a bit childish. Lets all be friends again
Alright then, friends again.
Like i said im not daft i aint saying what my job is no chance! i actually think before i speak unlike the majority of Political correct people on here who seem to know every answer to lifes problems!
That's fine. Tell us about this 'truth' then. It all sounds a bit David Icke to me :suspect: .
JFKvsNixon 05-03-2007, 11:57 I'm intrigued. What's your job, and what is this 'truth'? Tell us more... :suspect:
Is he Fox Mulder?
Without intentionally adding fuel to the fire the guys involved in my incident were asylum seekers.
I am in no way saying that all foreign people do these things but some do.
Its a FACT get over it!
Serendipity1 05-03-2007, 11:58 i aint telling anyone im afraid not with these muppets that play the race card every 2 mins! if uve seen balls of steel on channel 4 with the military guy! who gets offended by any comment refering to a racial motive then u know what i mean!
JFKvsNixon 05-03-2007, 12:02 Without intentionally adding fuel to the fire the guys involved in my incident were asylum seekers.
I am in no way saying that all foreign people do these things but some do.
Its a FACT get over it!
How can you tell if they were asylum seekers?
How can you tell if they were asylum seekers?
Hey your supposed to be my friend!
I was waiting for that. without boring you with all the details the guy started off chatting to my friend telling her where he was from and stuff before sexually assaulting her.
I definately won that one! ;)
Camrat78 05-03-2007, 12:05 For crying out loud!
Race is not the issue here. Stop trying to turn this inot something it is not! All races are capable of doing terrible things.
JFKvsNixon 05-03-2007, 12:07 Hey your supposed to be my friend!
I was waiting for that. without boring you with all the details the guy started off chatting to my friend telling her where he was from and stuff before sexually assaulting her.
I definately won that one! ;)
Hey people are people, just because people are foreign doesn't meen that they are any better / worse than us.
... telling her where he was from ...
Just out of interest, where did he say he was from?
For crying out loud!
Race is not the issue here. Stop trying to turn this inot something it is not! All races are capable of doing terrible things.
I think most of us are rapidly coming to the conclusion that race has everything to do this this.
Camrat78 05-03-2007, 12:13 Not where I am concerned.
I must admit there are racial profiles, that certain ethnicities are more likely to commit certain types of crime, and in my case it did happen to be someone of asian decent, but that isn't the reason why I did what I did. I did it because he was a scum bag who tried to attack a friend of mine.
carpetviper 05-03-2007, 12:13 If I arrived there while she was being assaulted I personally think I would give him a kicking but I would need to have seen it there and then. I would not take someones word it happened as you never know. But If I did see anything like this I dont think I would be able to stop at a few slaps. Sexual assault of any type is abhorrent and they should be desexed if found guilty with no doubt.
Hey people are people, just because people are foreign doesn't meen that they are any better / worse than us.
Oh dear.
That is so not what i was saying.
Its so not race the guys were white asylum seekers.
there are perverts born and bred in sheffield
There are perverts from everywhere.
If the guys were from another city i would've mentioned that.
Enough of the race hate s***e
Camrat78 05-03-2007, 12:19 Good point capetviper. I may well have acted differantly if I had not witnessed the event, but thats something I will never know.
JFKvsNixon 05-03-2007, 12:19 I must admit there are racial profiles, that certain ethnicities are more likely to commit certain types of crime.
Enlighten us then?
lalaland 05-03-2007, 12:21 LOW INTELLIGENCE!Your posts tend to suggest that may be the case. You resort to violence and you are very quick to call people names during a discussion on a thread. is That Why im in a stable job for the government kicking out all these people who so call want to make Britain Better, but end up sexually assualting innocent women ! You Make me laugh you really do?You may be completely wrong for your job then. It sounds like you are in a position of responsibility, but I'd say your posts in this thread suggest you are anything but.
Are You Jeremy Kyle or sumthin! Imagen the scene i walk in to the cop shop and say" Excuse me ive beat up a guy who sexually assualted my female friend please arrest me officer" Im pretty sure id get a pat on the back and a cup of tea more then anything!Actually, if they knew that you had attacked the man after the incident had occured you'd be arrested and rightly so too. We need less criminals like you on our streets.
Here Here!
End of the day these politically correct people (KenH and others are just looking for arguements) They havnt been in the situation that myself, lyndix, camrat, mel fly have been, we have, so how on earth do they know what theyd do and what gives them the right to tell us what we shud or shudnt have doneI think Ken and others, myself included, are just shocked at your blatent disregard for the law and other people. You are a criminal, we are disgusted at your actions and that's fair enough regardless of what we may or may not have experienced in the past.
I really hope your friends or family dont rely on you. cos if they where in trouble what wud u do wait and ring the police!
Your pathetic!Again with the insults, interesting. Are you feeling enraged now? Are you wanting to hurt someone and find the only way is to use insults? Do you have this urge to hurt people often?
She was on the mobile while the attack was happening then the phone was cut off! so i got there and she pointed him out to me! This all happened in the space of 2 minutes! You wasnt there so dont even judge ! lalaYou previously said "she ran away and just got to her flat after he touched her up several times." which suggested she was in her flat. Was he also there or did she wait outside? Very unusual for someone who's just been sexually assaulted and fears for their own safety. Your story does seem a little patchy. I hope you're not just making this up for bravado?
JFKvsNixon 05-03-2007, 12:22 Oh dear.
That is so not what i was saying.
Its so not race the guys were white asylum seekers.
there are perverts born and bred in sheffield
There are perverts from everywhere.
If the guys were from another city i would've mentioned that.
Enough of the race hate s***e
Hey, I never mentioned race. I tried to say what you said above.
i aint telling anyone im afraid not with these muppets that play the race card every 2 mins!
Muppets like you?
You played the "race card" at the very start of your thread -
saying a asian guy was harrasing her and suggesting she have sex with him
If you weren't trying to make a racial equivalence, you could have said
saying a guy was harrasing her and suggesting she have sex with him.
Either way, it makes no difference.
You were in the wrong plain and simple.
You think it is acceptable that someone who suggests you have sex gets beaten up? What kind of crazy logic is that? What sort of "harrasment" was this, that this girl ran away from and then called you in to sort him out? Did he even place a hand on her, or did she just not like his face?
Either way, you then ran out onto the streets with your description of "an asian man", found the closest one, and gave him a good seeing to. You don't see anything wrong with that?
Then your other part of your argument, you think that because you gave this random guy a seeing to, he "won't do it again". How do you know that a random act of violence might not just spur him on to be more careful next time? He'll maybe carry a knife with him, and when the next girl says no and starts running he'll catch her and cut her throat. Congratulations, you've stop an harraser and created a murderer.
lalaland 05-03-2007, 12:24 Nice idea, but in reality not very likely to happen. If you were spotted by him following him, he'd either run off or try to have a go at you.
I've followed people on many occasions while diverting Police officers to their location. You have to be careful I admit, however if someone's prepared to tackle them head on like the OP was then this is surely a safer alternative.
I've recently had training on tackling and restraining people, yet I'd never jump straight in on someone without good cause and often find the following approach is much safer while waiting for other people to arrive.
She was on the mobile while the attack was happening then the phone was cut off! so i got there and she pointed him out to me! This all happened in the space of 2 minutes! You wasnt there so dont even judge ! lala
So now you're changing your story. A rather key point was that in your OP you stated she got back to her flat and then phoned you at which point you went to where the attack happened.
End of the day these politically correct people (KenH and others are just looking for arguements) They havnt been in the situation that myself, lyndix, camrat, mel fly have been, we have, so how on earth do they know what theyd do and what gives them the right to tell us what we shud or shudnt have done
If you read a post I made earlier on you will have noticed that I've been in a very similar situation.
walter wall 05-03-2007, 12:25 .............and then you woke up.
End Of.
Green Web 05-03-2007, 12:25 Enlighten us then?
This is how it's mostly percieved but not sure on actual statistics.
Joy riding - Mostly white council estate working class young males.
Street robbery - Mostly young black men
Drug dealing - Mostly Yardies/ Afro carribean males in places like pitsmoor
Corruption / Bribes - Mostly MP's and councillors
Fraud / tax evasion - Mostly middle class business men
You get the idea.
Hey, I never mentioned race. I tried to say what you said above.
Got carried away meant to quote the others on the race thing.
JFKvsNixon 05-03-2007, 12:27 Got carried away meant to quote the others on the race thing.
Thats cool.
Camrat78 05-03-2007, 12:28 Enlighten us then?
For example, most serial killers are white males. The majority of gang shootings, especially in London are commited by people of Afro-Caribean decent. I'm not being racist, its just how things are.
JFKvsNixon 05-03-2007, 12:29 This is how it's mostly percieved but not sure on actual statistics.
Joy riding - Mostly white council estate working class young males.
Street robbery - Mostly young black men
Drug dealing - Mostly Yardies/ Afro carribean males in places like pitsmoor
Corruption / Bribes - Mostly MP's and councillors
Fraud / tax evasion - Mostly middle class business men
You get the idea.
So what race are "mostly MP's and councillors," are they a different race from "mostly middle class business men?"
Green Web 05-03-2007, 12:31 So what race are "mostly MP's and councillors," are they a different race from "mostly middle class business men?"
White.................
This is how it's mostly percieved but not sure on actual statistics.
Joy riding - Mostly white council estate working class young males.
Street robbery - Mostly young black men
Drug dealing - Mostly Yardies/ Afro carribean males in places like pitsmoor
Corruption / Bribes - Mostly MP's and councillors
Fraud / tax evasion - Mostly middle class business men
You get the idea.
I would add that the the poeople most likely to attack an asian man in the street are people who have some kind of problem with foreigners because of their work with the government and who will use any dubious excuse to do so.
JFKvsNixon 05-03-2007, 12:35 White.................
So what you really meant was:
Joy riding - white people
Street robbery - black people
Drug dealing - black people
Corruption / Bribes - white people
Fraud / tax evasion - white people.
Camrat78 05-03-2007, 12:35 Why are you getting all personnel. This is a serious debate, there is no need to accuse a man of racism when race is nothing to do with the topic.
Green Web 05-03-2007, 12:36 I would add that the the poeople most likely to attack an asian man in the street are people who have some kind of problem with foreigners because of their work with the government and who will use any dubious excuse to do so.
Me too, it was just a few examples off the top of my head how different crimes are percieved by people not saying these are actually true or have statistics to prove it.
RazorSHarp 05-03-2007, 12:38 I would add that the the poeople most likely to attack an asian man in the street are people who have some kind of problem with foreigners because of their work with the government and who will use any dubious excuse to do so.
I disagree, I would say it would be alcohol fueled, mcdonald weilding males.
PS back to the original question, I would have called the Police and gone to comfort the female. :thumbsup:
Oh dear.
That is so not what i was saying.
Its so not race the guys were white asylum seekers.
there are perverts born and bred in sheffield
There are perverts from everywhere.
If the guys were from another city i would've mentioned that.
Enough of the race hate s***e
Well said. It's a shame the attackers race was mentioned in the OP, as it has influenced the debate some.
When you are confronted by an attacker, you are on your own and you have to do what you can. If however you go after the attacker after the event, then this is revenge, and is very much frowned upon. Sorry, but that isn't my opinion, it's a matter of fact. This is reflected in sport, where retaliation is always punished.
If the offender in the OP had called the police, there is a very strong possibillity that Serendipity would have been arrested and prosecuted! If you choose to take this course of action then that is the risk you take, unfair as it may seem.
Camrat78 05-03-2007, 12:43 Racism does work both ways. There are a number of occasion when white individuals are racially abused by people of ethnic origins too
Green Web 05-03-2007, 12:45 Forget colour and class, scum is scum and it needs eradicating off the face of this planet.
I disagree, I would say it would be alcohol fueled, mcdonald weilding males.
PS back to the original question, I would have called the Police and gone to comfort the female. :thumbsup:
I think that the story has changed so much that it is clear this is a made up story aimed at putting down people who are of a different race.
She was on pepsi All Night! So how you work that out! There you go again blabbing on when u dont know the full story! ! Muppet!
if you told the full story - we could all relate.
however st the moment you just sound someone who feels guilty for being a ******** and just wants to brag about beating up asians.
Serendipity1 05-03-2007, 12:51 KenH for christs sake shut up!
or are you guna claim that im having a dig at religion now for saying Christ!
dosn`t sound like a thug to me. he just sounds like a loyal friend who was trying to protect his female mate.
protect her AFTER the event.
that makes his conduct as bad as the first person.
JFKvsNixon 05-03-2007, 12:51 Racism does work both ways. There are a number of occasion when white individuals are racially abused by people of ethnic origins too
You are right, but what does this have to do with this thread?
Serendipity1 05-03-2007, 12:52 if i told the full story! Muppets like u willman wud say im a racist!!!!
magictiger 05-03-2007, 12:54 good for you serendipity1 !!
glad you gave him a good hiding, too many of THEM got this weird idea of being able to do what they like...with whom they like...i dont care what kind of reply i get if it had been me i would have done the same thing...maybe i would have held him by the ****** while i had eaten my big mac first tho.
anyway im with you ...give the excuses after!!
JFKvsNixon 05-03-2007, 12:54 if i told the full story! Muppets like u willman wud say im a racist!!!! Why, does it involve racism?
if i told the full story! Muppets like u willman wud say im a racist!!!!
i never said you were racist - i said you come across as someone who has enjoyed the fact he has (allegedly) smacked someone who is asian.that makes you a muppet.
if you dont tell the full story how do we know you didn't just imagine it or make it up ??
walter wall 05-03-2007, 12:58 What's scary is the fact that you work for the Government :suspect:
First you say that she got to her flat and then she called you.
she ran away and just got to her flat ..... She rang me and i ran to trippet lane!
Then you say that she was on the mobile to you when she was attacked.
She was on the mobile while the attack was happening then the phone was cut off! so i got there and she pointed him out to me! This all happened in the space of 2 minutes! You wasnt there so dont even judge !
Then you tell us not to judge having started this thread to ask for an opinion.
My opinion is that this story is made up purely to try and show that asians assault women and that you are a big man for attacking them.
walter wall 05-03-2007, 13:00 Actually I don't think signing on every fortnight is actually classed as WORKING for the Government :thumbsup:
emperor_ming 05-03-2007, 13:00 Reading all the posts, its clear that the event was driven by revenge and not racism.
I cant understand why the word is being pandered around so often in this thread, its not racist to describe a person as being Asian when it's a fact.....
Thats my IMPARTIAL view anyway.
Serendipity1 05-03-2007, 13:00 Listen Right? If people where in the exact situation if you wouldnt have beat him up! you seriously need lookin at!!!
KenH id be quite happy to prove that if this guy was black, white asian or what ever race i still would have kicked the crap out of him!
If i kicked the crap out of u wud i be a racist!!!!!
Maybe you and me should meet up sometime and discuss "Business"!!!!
see how you'd like that!
lalaland 05-03-2007, 13:01 I think that the story has changed so much that it is clear this is a made up story aimed at putting down people who are of a different race.
I agree about the story seemingly changing. I made a post based on what the OP had posted so far and then his version of events differed. Very unusual. I am starting to wonder if this event actually took place at all or if this person just wanted to feel big in some way.
Ken, regarding your earlier post about this person turning themselves in. If you are concerned about this you could always call 0114 2202020 and ask if any incident took place around the time and places stated in this thread. If it turns out there's a complaint been made by someone that was assaulted that night you could forward this thread to them for consideration. IP addresses and other information are automatically stored by Vbulletin and server logs which are great when collecting evidence.
Maybe you and me should meet up sometime and discuss "Business"!!!!
see how you'd like that!
Is that a threat? Are you now suggesting that it is OK not only to attack people on the basis of hearsay, but it is also fine to attack people for exposing your lies? Unless you want to look at your two quotes (above) and explain why they are completely different? Perhaps you can also tell us about your important work throwing "these people" out of the UK?
Serendipity1 05-03-2007, 13:03 Actually I don't think signing on every fortnight is actually classed as WORKING for the Government :thumbsup:
If i was on the dole how could i afford a computer you idiot!
Bet youve not got any female friends that trust you to look after them!
Pathetic! Your must be Kens Luv child or sumthing!!!!
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Maybe you and me should meet up sometime and discuss "Business"!!!!
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that would be a one way discussion.
i don't think you know the meaning.
Ken, regarding your earlier post about this person turning themselves in. If you are concerned about this you could always call 0114 2202020 and ask if any incident took place around the time and places stated in this thread.
I think it is pretty clear now that he made the whole thing up.
JFKvsNixon 05-03-2007, 13:05 Listen Right? If people where in the exact situation if you wouldnt have beat him up! you seriously need lookin at!!!
KenH id be quite happy to prove that if this guy was black, white asian or what ever race i still would have kicked the crap out of him!
If i kicked the crap out of u wud i be a racist!!!!!
Maybe you and me should meet up sometime and discuss "Business"!!!!
see how you'd like that!
Lol, you really are laughable. You ask for opinions and when people don't say what you want them to you threaten violence. I also do not think that the incendent did not happen as you said it did, if it happened at all.
Green Web 05-03-2007, 13:05 Ok I admit it!, i contributed to this thread without reading it properly first, and probaly have not helped with the matter of it going off topic, anyway after reading the first post and others there does seem to be a few contradictions and irrregularities.
It does now to me seem like it was purely for having a go at asians like a few other recent threads started on this forum.
lalaland 05-03-2007, 13:06 Listen Right? If people where in the exact situation if you wouldnt have beat him up! you seriously need lookin at!!!I think the fact that most of us wouldn't committ the same offence as you shows that we are certainly not the people that need looking at. Your criminal act and the fact that you were happy to assault this person maybe suggests you do.
KenH id be quite happy to prove that if this guy was black, white asian or what ever race i still would have kicked the crap out of him!
If i kicked the crap out of u wud i be a racist!!!!!I think the whole 'racist' bit is taking us off topic here, the fact is that you assaulted someone criminally through revenge or anger.
Maybe you and me should meet up sometime and discuss "Business"!!!!
see how you'd like that!I think that about sums it up. We are obviously dealing with a 'hard man' here. He's claiming to have beaten someone up, whether that's true or not he seems to believe he's right to hurt whoever he wants. I don't think we are going to get any sense from him sadly. Hopefully he's not far away from being caught himself and dealt with before any serious harm is done.
Serendipity1 05-03-2007, 13:07 Is that a threat? Are you now suggesting that it is OK not only to attack people on the basis of hearsay, but it is also fine to attack people for exposing your lies? Unless you want to look at your two quotes (above) and explain why they are completely different? Perhaps you can also tell us about your important work throwing "these people" out of the UK?
Id be more then happy to show anyone who thinks im lying where it happened, how it happened and what i did to the guy! or is that too much of a threat to you!
Your just a group of pen pushers who think there wise with their words when in real life you wouldnt last 2 minutes!
Id be more then happy to show anyone who thinks im lying where it happened, how it happened and what i did to the guy! or is that too much of a threat to you!
Your just a group of pen pushers who think there wise with their words when in real life you wouldnt last 2 minutes!
So you work for the government throwing "those people" out of the UK, but you don't like pen pushers which implies you have a more practical role. Do you drive the bus to the airport?
RazorSHarp 05-03-2007, 13:09 I have now read the whole thread and also think that the OP has made a right top hat of himself.
Sounds like a jackanory with the contradictions.
lalaland 05-03-2007, 13:09 If i was on the dole how could i afford a computer you idiot! I have a relative on the dole currently who has a computer if that helps?
Bet youve not got any female friends that trust you to look after them!
Pathetic! Your must be Kens Luv child or sumthing!!!!And here we go again, serendipity's insults flow once more. I think you need a stretch on the naughty step to calm down. Normally I wouldn't suggest such a thing, but I am not sure we're actually talking to an adult here, is it half term or something?
lalaland 05-03-2007, 13:10 I think it is pretty clear now that he made the whole thing up.
I think you are right KenH. I'd say the chances of any of this event actually happening are zero. This just reads more and more like an 'internet hard man' with every post he makes.
I could be wrong, but doubt it. Many of us are starting to feel like it's story time.
JFKvsNixon 05-03-2007, 13:12 Id be more then happy to show anyone who thinks im lying where it happened, how it happened and what i did to the guy! or is that too much of a threat to you!
Your just a group of pen pushers who think there wise with their words when in real life you wouldnt last 2 minutes!
Do you really think that you live in the real world? You seem to be in "cloud cuckoo land to me.
lalaland 05-03-2007, 13:13 Id be more then happy to show anyone who thinks im lying where it happened, how it happened and what i did to the guy! or is that too much of a threat to you!I am not sure how that would prove it happened? I could take you to any place in town and say "This is where I saw the little green elf" and show you how I found it, but it wouldn't prove I saw a little green elf.
Your just a group of pen pushers who think there wise with their words when in real life you wouldnt last 2 minutes!That's the problem, we are all living real life, not making it up. And for the record, I don't push pens and can't see how people's jobs have any reflection on the validity of their opinions.
Serendipity1 05-03-2007, 13:13 All i can say is i hope sheffield is a safer place now cos obviously people like lala, KenH and that other bloke are knights in shining armour! there mottos sumthing like! If theres trouble Run away and ring the police and do nothing!
Enjoy life cos ur guna get so far with that look in life!
I Went for a few pints in town for someones leaving do from work and a group of us walked to fargate.
One of the Girls lives on trippet lane so we let her walk home as she insisted whilst everyone went there seperate ways with me going to mcdonalds! lol
Anyhow i got a phone call from this girl saying a asian guy was harrasing her and suggesting she have sex with him! she ran away and just got to her flat after he touched her up several times. She rang me and i ran to trippet lane!
Was i right giving this bloke a good pasting (Albeit with a mcdonalds bag in one hand) or should i have rang the police! The girl in question was well shook up and crying.
If the answer your guna say is the later one then how come it takes them so long to do anything about it when this bloke could easily had done it again if i hadn't have done anything to him.
Is it right for someone whos harrased a innocent woman to get away scot free?
Ive read a few threads about people getting mugged on here and wondering either to fight back or ring the police! im sorry but if it involves getting beaten up innocently, getting possesions stolen or a girl getting attacked then im all for revenge!
Sorry but its a true fact!
Iv'e had it with the police ive been beaten up by gangs and put in hospital and what did they get a slap on the wrist and and a fine of £50 wtf is that about.
I don't blame you taking the law into your own hands and i say well done to you for doing it even though you shouldn't have to because the police should do there jobs properly and the courts as well, but they don't because they let people like that get away it time and time again with a slap on the wrist.
JFKvsNixon 05-03-2007, 13:15 All i can say is i hope sheffield is a safer place now cos obviously people like lala, KenH and that other bloke are knights in shining armour! there mottos sumthing like! If theres trouble Run away and ring the police and do nothing!
Enjoy life cos ur guna get so far with that look in life!
cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo.:loopy:
All i can say is i hope sheffield is a safer place now cos obviously people like lala, KenH and that other bloke are knights in shining armour! there mottos sumthing like! If theres trouble Run away and ring the police and do nothing!
Enjoy life cos ur guna get so far with that look in life!
most of us have already got a little further than you already.
there mottos sumthing like!
I agree. Now can you explain why your story changed so much in your two quotes? Are you going to tell us more about your jobbing throwing "those people" out of the UK?
I Went for a few pints in town for someones leaving do from work and a group of us walked to fargate.
One of the Girls lives on trippet lane so we let her walk home as she insisted whilst everyone went there seperate ways with me going to mcdonalds! lol
Anyhow i got a phone call from this girl saying a asian guy was harrasing her and suggesting she have sex with him! she ran away and just got to her flat after he touched her up several times. She rang me and i ran to trippet lane!
Was i right giving this bloke a good pasting (Albeit with a mcdonalds bag in one hand) or should i have rang the police! The girl in question was well shook up and crying.
If the answer your guna say is the later one then how come it takes them so long to do anything about it when this bloke could easily had done it again if i hadn't have done anything to him.
Is it right for someone whos harrased a innocent woman to get away scot free?
Ive read a few threads about people getting mugged on here and wondering either to fight back or ring the police! im sorry but if it involves getting beaten up innocently, getting possesions stolen or a girl getting attacked then im all for revenge!
Sorry but its a true fact!
Iv'e had it with the police ive been beaten up by gangs and put in hospital and what did they get a slap on the wrist and and a fine of £50 wtf is that about.
I don't blame you taking the law into your own hands and i say well done to you for doing it even though you shouldn't have to because the police should do there jobs properly and the courts as well, but they don't because they let people like that get away it time and time again with a slap on the wrist.
The politically correct brigade will beg to differ i dare say but i don't care because you have to take the law into your own hand's these days as nothing will get done otherwise.
lalaland 05-03-2007, 13:18 All i can say is i hope sheffield is a safer place now cos obviously people like lala, KenH and that other bloke are knights in shining armour!Unfortunately that's not true. Sheffield is no safer at present because criminals like you are still on the streets. If this did actually happen and you believe what you did is right then we have the problem that you are still out and about. You are no better than the man you describe, you are in the same league as him, and unfortunately you aren't alone. There are many criminals out there willing to hurt others sadly, so no, Sheffield isn't a safer place at present.
there mottos sumthing like! If theres trouble Run away and ring the police and do nothing!I don't think anyone's said that at all, you really need to start reading threads properly instead of making bits (or all of it) up.
Enjoy life cos ur guna get so far with that look in life!I'm doing well so far and I'm happy in the knowledge that despite being involved in catching offenders in the past I've never actually committed an offence while doing so nor have I intentionally hurt another person in a malicious way.
lalaland 05-03-2007, 13:23 Iv'e had it with the police ive been beaten up by gangs and put in hospital and what did they get a slap on the wrist and and a fine of £50 wtf is that about.This is one of the points I commented on earlier. The Police obviously sound like they did a good job and caught the people responsible for your attack, however you aren't happy with the action taken by the courts under the current UK law.
So you say you've 'had it with the Police' when they did what you wanted and caught your attackers. I would say you should redirect your unchuffed feelings more towards the way the courts are handling criminals and the way our laws don't seem adequate to punish criminals.
I don't blame you taking the law into your own hands and i say well done to you for doing it even though you shouldn't have to because the police should do there jobs properly and the courts as well, but they don't because they let people like that get away it time and time again with a slap on the wrist.So what you are saying is if you can't beat them, join them? Because that's exactly what this person has done. He's become a criminal by attacking someone he believes to be another criminal.
The politically correct brigade will beg to differ i dare say but i don't care because you have to take the law into your own hand's these days as nothing will get done otherwise.With an attitude like that it's no wonder we are seeing more violent crimes. You are part of the problem if you are turning to violence like this.
How very clever to own up to an assault on an internet forum and then threaten other people.
:rolleyes: is it me or are kenH and twiglet guy in sum kind P.C dream world?
And you can add lalala land to that one what a set of politically correct :loopy:
Them 3 are living in cloud cukoo land to be honest :hihi:
just kill the f.....r and have done
:rolleyes:
And you can add lalala land to that one what a set of politically correct :loopy:
Them 3 are living in cloud cukoo land to be honest :hihi:
and perhaps you and serendipity should be behind bars with the other immature drink fuelled "bad boys".
lalaland 05-03-2007, 13:27 :rolleyes:
And you can add lalala land to that one what a set of politically correct :loopy:
Them 3 are living in cloud cukoo land to be honest :hihi:
Maybe the :loopy: sign would be more appropriate for yourself. You state that you are upset because you were assaulted by some criminals, yet you openly support other people assaulting others.
If you think I'm politically correct for wanting people to abide by the law and not assault others then fair enough, call me what you want. However while ever you support criminal activity these problems will always be around, so again, you are part of the problem here and no amount of name calling or :loopy: signs will change that.
Womerry2 05-03-2007, 13:31 Bet youve not got any female friends that trust you to look after them!
Serendipity1, IF your story is even partially true, your female friends would be well advised not to trust you to look after them, either, as your McDonald's is clearly more important to you. It would have taken you all of ten minutes to see your friend home and go for your food afterwards. That would have been a simple act of common decency - whereas beating people up and then boasting about it is not.
I hope that your hints about your work are as much a figment of your imagination as your heroism. I would hate to think that intelligent and interesting human beings should be prevented from making a very valuable contribution to our society by agressive little thugs like you.
This is one of the points I commented on earlier. The Police obviously sound like they did a good job and caught the people responsible for your attack, however you aren't happy with the action taken by the courts under the current UK law.
So you say you've 'had it with the Police' when they did what you wanted and caught your attackers. I would say you should redirect your unchuffed feelings more towards the way the courts are handling criminals and the way our laws don't seem adequate to punish criminals.
So what you are saying is if you can't beat them, join them? Because that's exactly what this person has done. He's become a criminal by attacking someone he believes to be another criminal.
With an attitude like that it's no wonder we are seeing more violent crimes. You are part of the problem if you are turning to violence like this.
Get of your high horse you will you he had every right to sort the dirty scumbag out and the person in question deserved a kicking for it if someone did the same to my sister i would do the same because perverts like that need sorting out.
So if something similar happened to your family your telling me you would let it drop if the police did nothing:loopy:
So if something similar happened to your family your telling me you would let it drop if the police did nothing:loopy:
you can guarantee the police did nothing in this case.
'cos the plonker didn't report it.
you can't solve crime if one doesn't exist.:loopy:
and perhaps you and serendipity should be behind bars with the other immature drink fuelled "bad boys".
Real sensible post you moron i am! not a drink fuelled bad boy :mad: i am just a normal person who has reported lots of things throughout his life to the police and nothing was Ever properly done so what do you expect you and the rest of the politically correct brigade wan't to come down of your high horses:loopy:
Real sensible post you moron i am! not a drink fuelled bad boy :mad: i am just a normal person who has reported lots of things throughout his life to the police and nothing was Ever properly done so what do you expect you and the rest of the politically correct brigade wan't to come down of your high horses:loopy:
being done to satisfy YOU, isn't the job of the police. their job is to uphold the law.
if it's a fine and slap on the wrists then the law is wrong - you still got a result.
condoning violence openly could be seen as incitement.
i never said you were drunk fuelled - i said you should be locked up with them.
please learn to read.
you can guarantee the police did nothing in this case.
'cos the plonker didn't report it.
you can't solve crime if one doesn't exist.:loopy:
what's the point the police never do anything anyway other than give them a slap on the wrist.
I have lost the count of times i reported things to the police.
When i was attacked in lowedges park when i was younger i got beat up and put in hospital and what did the police do give them a slap on the wrist and they said they couldn't do much else.
They said to us do you no of anyone who could give them a good kicking and that's not the first time that they told us that when I and my family have reported assaults.
being done to satisfy YOU, isn't the job of the police. their job is to uphold the law.
if it's a fine and slap on the wrists then the law is wrong - you still got a result.
condoning violence openly could be seen as incitement.
i never said you were drunk fuelled - i said you should be locked up with them.
please learn to read.
Why should i be locked up with drunk fuelled idiots i am nothing like them i am normal person i have done the right thing in the past by reporting the incidents that happened to me but it was a waste of time.
The law is an Absolute farce anyway no wonder there is so many vigilantes about like i say maybe if they did there jobs properly then this country would be a lot safer.
Why should i be locked up with drunk fuelled idiots i am nothing like them i am normal person i have done the right thing in the past by reporting the incidents that happened to me but it was a waste of time.
The law is an Absolute farce anyway no wonder there is so many vigilantes about like i say maybe if they did there jobs properly then this country would be a lot safer.
why not?
if everyone supported the law - then we might need so many vigilantes.
I notice that the original poster has still not explained the contradictory quotes in this ficticious story. Can we have an explanation or is this entire discussion based on a lie?
Green Web 05-03-2007, 13:58 why not?
if everyone supported the law - then we might need so many vigilantes.
Most people do support the law, and there are procedures in place to deal with criminals, i think it just needs implementing properly and the police need funding properly instead of wasting money on the pretend community police.
Serendipity1 05-03-2007, 13:59 Can Im not commenting on anything you say because youl sum how twist it then claim im being racist!
Its like if i said "im typing in black" You'd call me a racist!
People like you make simple things in life more complicated! and PC
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