The new ST film will be back to the (almost) beginning - the meeting of Kirk and Spock at Starfleet Academy.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6407135.stm

I really hope it lives up to the hype.

As all the series have finished, they're probably scratching around, trying to find something to make a film about now.

There's scope for something to be made about Voyager; perhaps sending some of the crew back to the Delta Quadrant to right an inadvertent wrong caused by the crew. I doubt it'll happen though.

I'd quite like to see a DS9 one. Always fancied a set to between the Borg and the Jem Hadar. :)

Didn't all the DS9 lot get wiped out by the Cardassians and the Founders? (i missed a bit of the last DS9 series)

Voyager movie would be good or even another TNG-esque

As long as they don't do another (after this new one) Classic Movie, They were good but zimmerframes anyone?
And Enterprise, no, no, no movie should ever be set on that tosh.

Personally, with the mess that the franchise became with the Voyager and the last 2 movies, the series would do well from a total reboot (a la Battlestar Galactica)

Yup, this wouldn't be popular with the fanboys who are obsessed with things being 'canon' throughout (who snubbed Enterprise because the technology looked too advanced to fit with TOS), but it would allow for the franchise to rebuild the rules, and become great again. In addition it would allow a new audience to come on-board and enjoy it, without the constant worry that they don't understand the backstory / technobabble / silly people with bumpy heads.

Perhaps this 'prequel' movie could be a launch point for a reboot? Maybe that is just wishful thinking, and we can expect the franchise to fall into the old patterns of humdrum mediocrity.

Still...saying that....Yay! A new Trek film (that's the inner fanboy in me screaming out with joy).

Nope, the DS9 lot saw off the cardies and the Dominion.

:)

Enterprise wasn't as bad as people make out - there were some episodes of Enterprise that ran rings around some of the Voyager and TNG scripts.

Enterprise wasn't as bad as people make out - there were some episodes of Enterprise that ran rings around some of the Voyager and TNG scripts.

I fully agree. Voyager was the bad phase of Trek! Voyager started average, then went downhill. The 'inner tensions' between Maquis and Federation crew was never explored, the Borg became a mockery of their former power (plus, how come they entered and then left Borg space so quickly? Did the Borg not bother 'assimilating' the races between them and Federation space when they made their way there? Temporal fleets and advanced tech not impressive enough for them?). The show ended up being the Tom Paris / Seven of Nine show, Neelix (nuff said), how many 'temporal anomolies' or 'clones' tales could they churn out, where was the ship getting repaired between each epsiode, and finally, that final episode had Janeway going against everything she ever stood for. Rubbish...rubbish....rubbish!

Enterprise started average (after all, Brannon "I wrecked Trek" Braga was still producing), but once he left and Manny "I'm making 24 now" Coto took over, it became what it should have been from day one! Third season showed a bit of potential, but 4th was amazing...with some backstory to answer various questions about TOS / TNG (Klingons bumpy heads, Vulcan spirituality, Romulans....etc).

I'm a bit of a star trek saddo but not to the point of having a uniform and plastic tricorder.
Mabe a phaser:D
I enjoy many of the films and would be interested to see this but many of the 'early years' films tend to fall flat.

DS9 was a bit naff but Voyager did it for me.
No TV so never seen Enterprise.

Enterprise started average (after all, Brannon "I wrecked Trek" Braga was still producing), but once he left and Manny "I'm making 24 now" Coto took over, it became what it should have been from day one! Third season showed a bit of potential, but 4th was amazing...with some backstory to answer various questions about TOS / TNG (Klingons bumpy heads, Vulcan spirituality, Romulans....etc).
Which is what finally killed it :(. The season long episode arcs with all the back story meant that it couldn't be sold on to other stations for an inflated price.

Which is what finally killed it :(. The season long episode arcs with all the back story meant that it couldn't be sold on to other stations for an inflated price.

Nooo....on the contrary. It made it for me - I have an attention span longer than that of a gnat and so enjoy stuff like Battlestar Galactica and other science fiction with back stories and such! :)

I think it's time for a ST series from the point of view of another race.

The new film sounds dire though - poor choice of actors and script writers. And do we need a young Kirk based film - hasn't he done enough?

I used to write my own Star Trek stories with myself as the Captain of a Starship and crew based on people I've known over the years, in fact I uploaded part of a story to the writer's group last week, have a look if you want :D

I think it's time for a ST series from the point of view of another race.

The new film sounds dire though - poor choice of actors and script writers. And do we need a young Kirk based film - hasn't he done enough?

Being as the film hasn't been cast yet, how do you know there's a poor choice of actors?

Which is what finally killed it :(. The season long episode arcs with all the back story meant that it couldn't be sold on to other stations for an inflated price.

What killed it for me was the end of the final episode of the final season, when Picard and Riker came out of the Holodeck, and declared that 4 seasons of Enterprise had probably all been a Holodeck program run on the Enterprise D! WTF?! :shocked:

Nooo....on the contrary. It made it for me - I have an attention span longer than that of a gnat and so enjoy stuff like Battlestar Galactica and other science fiction with back stories and such! :)
What killed it for me was the end of the final episode of the final season, when Picard and Riker came out of the Holodeck, and declared that 4 seasons of Enterprise had probably all been a Holodeck program run on the Enterprise D! WTF?! :shocked:
Just to clarify, what I meant is the show was cancelled because of the season long episode arcs, it couldn't be sold on as individual episodes as people wouldn't really understand what was going on. Joe, I agree with you, I loved Enterprise as there were actually indepth stories.

Just to clarify, what I meant is the show was cancelled because of the season long episode arcs, it couldn't be sold on as individual episodes as people wouldn't really understand what was going on. Joe, I agree with you, I loved Enterprise as there were actually indepth stories.

You mean like 24 with it's season long arcs, or Heroes, or Galactica, or Dead Zone, or......oh, hold on...they haven't been cancelled have they. Heck, even Buffy lasted 7 seasons before biting the big one (more due to Gellar wanting to leave than viewing figures), and that worked on a season arc basis.

Sorry, my bad.

Seriously, season long arcs are not a problem. DS9 had a 7 season arc, and it kept the viewers engaged throughout.

Enterprise lost viewers because Voyager had already killed off lots of viewers, and the first and second season of Enterprise (which were very episodic) were weak regurgitated scripts. By the time the show picked up, and added the season arc in season 3 the series was close to cancellation. In fact the final episode of season 4 was made initially for the end of season 3 (which is why it doesn't really make sense after events of 4) when they were unsure if it would get renewed.

It did get renewed as they thought the 'fresh energy' that Coto was bringing may bring people back....it didn't, so it was canned. If it had started off in the manner that season 4 ran (which was not a season arc, but small 3 epsiode arcs) then it would, imho, have had better viewing figures. It just took too long to get there.

All very good points Beakerzoid, but from what I read at the time, the season 3 long arc is what killed it. UPN feared that it was becoming unsellable for syndication. One of the main reasons season 4 was commissioned was to reach the magic 100 episodes that would allow syndication to become possible. From what I remember the budget for season 4 was seriously reduced so they'd still be able to make a profit on the final sell on figure?

This is all from memory though, I haven't researched it.

All very good points Beakerzoid, but from what I read at the time, the season 3 long arc is what killed it. UPN feared that it was becoming unsellable for syndication. One of the main reasons season 4 was commissioned was to reach the magic 100 episodes that would allow syndication to become possible. From what I remember the budget for season 4 was seriously reduced so they'd still be able to make a profit on the final sell on figure?

This is all from memory though, I haven't researched it.

The articles I read during season 3 (on IGN, SFX, or Trek's own site) all focussed on the low ratings being the root cause of the impending end of the show. The Nielsen figures were terrible for the show, but they didn't account for any re-runs at the weekend of the show (which most fans admitted to watching), or any TiVo recordings of the show. Conner Trinnear urged fans in an interview to tune in to the first broadcast and save the show.

Season 3 was trimmed down by 2 episodes, and when season 4 was finally greenlit, it was dumped into the 'dead zone' friday night slot.

UPN were not supportive of the show at all, and failed to market it from season 1 onwards. It apparantly didn't fit with the station's direction (which was mostly sitcoms).

In addition, Trek fans had become apathetic of the whole thing by that point, as the lacklustre response to Star Trek Nemesis displayed.

What killed it for me was the end of the final episode of the final season, when Picard and Riker came out of the Holodeck, and declared that 4 seasons of Enterprise had probably all been a Holodeck program run on the Enterprise D! WTF?! :shocked:

Do you mean Troi and Riker? As far as I'm aware, Riker was spending a bit of time studying the events which led to the founding of the Federation and Enterprise's role in it while he struggled with his conscience over whether to tell Picard about the secret Federation cloaking device. It was nothing more than an interactive bit-part, like playing a computer game.

Being as the film hasn't been cast yet, how do you know there's a poor choice of actors?

IGN Movies are strongly speculating Matt Damon to play the role of Kirk.

IGN Movies are strongly speculating Matt Damon to play the role of Kirk.

That's been specualted for a while. In addition Adrian Brody as Spock, and Gary Sinise as Bones have been bandied around. No official word as of yet, but I think the three names mentioned are decent choices for the 'younger' trio.

What killed it for me was the end of the final episode of the final season, when Picard and Riker came out of the Holodeck, and declared that 4 seasons of Enterprise had probably all been a Holodeck program run on the Enterprise D! WTF?! :shocked:


No, I think the idea was that Riker was studying the library records of the first Enterprise missions, rather than it being a fiction.

They did soem VERY cool stuff. The 'Dark Mirror' episodes that tied together the 'Mirror Mirror' and 'The Tholian Web' episodes of TOS, with the laternative universe stories in DS9 were great - especially with the redone title sequence. Brilliant stuff!

That's been specualted for a while. In addition Adrian Brody as Spock, and Gary Sinise as Bones have been bandied around. No official word as of yet, but I think the three names mentioned are decent choices for the 'younger' trio.

I think to accurately portray teh characters and to satisfy the Trek nerds (sorry Joe) they need to find actors who look like younger versions of Bill Shatner, Leonard Nimoy and the late DeForrest Kelley.

Brodie has a great 'vulcan-esque' look to him, similar to Nemoy. Sinise is a perfect choice for Bones as he has the same rugged look Deforest Kelly had. Only Damon is the 'strange choice' out of them.

However, I am hoping this is a reboot as opposed to a canon venture, and so looks matter not, so long as the spirit is good, and the story is good sci-fi (fanboys be damned!)