What's the story with glass bus shelters and scrotes ?

This subject may have been covered before but being new to the Forum I am interested to learn other peoples stand point on this.

Personally, If I see one of these scumbags smashing up a shelter then they better be a good runner.

What do you think about it?.

My wife and I were discussing this the other day.

The glass gets smashed, replaced then smashed again.

Why not replace it with perspex? I know its not ideal but doesnt smash as quickly, hopefully they'll get knackered before it goes.

Round here we used to have stone bus shelters. I only remember one needing repairing once, when someone skidded on some ice and demolished it :heyhey:

Then they replaced them with glass ones that need mending every week. Still, keeps the glazer in a job I suppose.

Another rant: Why don't bus shelters display proper timetables any more? :rant:

Originally posted by coopster1974
....The glass gets smashed, replaced then smashed again.

Why not replace it with perspex? I know its not ideal but doesnt smash as quickly, hopefully they'll get knackered before it goes.

Because perspex shatters into nasty, sharp shards that can lacerate a person.

You'd have the imberciles suing the bus companies 'cause they hurt themselves when vandalising private property. ;-)

Here's a theory.
The bus shelters are glass so that when people are being beaten up in them, or other people are urinating, people can see them and do something about it...

Ok let me see if I understand you correctly, wicko_boy.

You say that people will "do something about it".

I have to disagree, if what I read recently on the Forum is true. I read an article that told of a passer by who intervened when a Big Issue seller’s dog was savagely kicked into next week by some scum.

The man who tried to apprehend the scum was then violently beaten up by said scum, which took place in broad daylight and at a busy time of day.

Guess what - no one bothered to help this man.

It's a case of NIMBY.

The problem with people in society these days is !! if it does not concern me...Let it be!

Glass bus shelters have been a thorn in my side when I have caught the idiots breaking the glass and <<<spend a night at the cost of the SYP.

What these yobs don't realise..(due to the size of their brains) is that the passengers pay for the repairs by the way of their tickets.

My opinion is that the bus shelters should be pulled down and not repaired.....This would make it hard on the senior citizens that catch buses in all weather but keep the costs down for maintaining the shelters.

this is not!!!!! a good idea! but the law and the response from the police is of little value to anyone when the shelters are abused.

Anyone that sees these vandals break down bus shelters should identify and get these yobs charged....I also think it is about time that Parents were made to pay for their childrens actions.....
that way we would see some form of discipline as families would make sure that their offspring do'nt cost them money..

DerekH - well said

Adopt the same philosophy as that applied to parent’s when their kids consistently abscond from school.

Maybe these are the same kids who carry out the mindless vandalism throughout our city.

Should this fall under the ASBO banner?

Originally posted by HellBoy
DerekH - well said

Adopt the same philosophy as that applied to parent’s when their kids consistently abscond from school.

Maybe these are the same kids who carry out the mindless vandalism throughout our city.

Should this fall under the ASBO banner?
it would be nice to think that they could come under the asbo banner but i doubt that it would!

youngsters know that if they get caught vandalising anything they are fined a few pounds and given a caution.

if they or their families were made to pay for the repairs....that would be more realistic.

if they are on the dole...tough!!! pay or go to jail!

it's nice to dream.......!!!!!
better still!!!! move them in with the do gooders ......that will sort them out lol

It does make you wonder of the deeper psychology behind these acts of vandalism. What pleasure do these people get out of smashing up a bus shelter? Is it funny? Does it make them feel like they've achieved something? Is this the extent to which a lot of the young folk of today's imaginations and minds will stretch? I'd say we should make them pay for the new shelter replacements but i dread to think where they'd get the money from to do so.

A local shelter was being smashed on a regular basis, but it's so difficult to spot the one culprit in a mob of 6+ in the pitch black. One of our windows was smashed and a witness at the busstop gave us a good description and relayed their conversation and their next destination.

Mr Strix set off in search and I phoned the police when he found them. The police came to our
house :loopy:. They were miffed to find that Mr Strix didn't have the culprit pinned against the wall, but were in no hurry to join him in the estate. Odd?

When they got there they made no attempt to apprehend the group, but just made sure they made enough noise to disperse the group.

This was too wierd. Then the penny dropped. They had been so quick to respond coz they were expecting to arrest Mr Strix.

We were unconcerned about our window, but thought the window/busstop thing should be stopped in it's tracks as it seemed to be turning into one of those schoolkid crazes, coz they were getting away with it.

Then the new Woodhouse station got smashed up. CCTV? wot's CCTV? This particular group were caught, and low and behold, the whole problem disappeared.

We were chatting to our local bobby at a later date and he was fuming at the guys from traffic who had 'attended' our call.

I am led to believe that it isn't the bus companies that have to pay for repairs,but SYPTE.
They get their revenue from ticket sales,but most of the monies come from council tax.So when you do see someone smashing up a shelter,or just a shelter smashed up,stop them because your council tax bill will be going up again.

Why not catch the scroats, chain them up for a few hours where they were caught and let the general public kick the living s##t out of them????

Oh! Sorry, can't do that 'cos these parasites have more rights that the law abiding citizens and they're good people really, just misunderstood.

Originally posted by Strix
A local shelter was being smashed on a regular basis, but it's so difficult to spot the one culprit in a mob of 6+ in the pitch black. One of our windows was smashed and a witness at the busstop gave us a good description and relayed their conversation and their next destination.

Mr Strix set off in search and I phoned the police when he found them. The police came to our
house :loopy:. They were miffed to find that Mr Strix didn't have the culprit pinned against the wall, but were in no hurry to join him in the estate. Odd?

When they got there they made no attempt to apprehend the group, but just made sure they made enough noise to disperse the group.

This was too wierd. Then the penny dropped. They had been so quick to respond coz they were expecting to arrest Mr Strix.

We were unconcerned about our window, but thought the window/busstop thing should be stopped in it's tracks as it seemed to be turning into one of those schoolkid crazes, coz they were getting away with it.

Then the new Woodhouse station got smashed up. CCTV? wot's CCTV? This particular group were caught, and low and behold, the whole problem disappeared.

We were chatting to our local bobby at a later date and he was fuming at the guys from traffic who had 'attended' our call.
I would take it that this is PC Frost you are refering to.

I have found the police attitude to these crimes has been low key.
When they do catch the offenders they end up doing paperwork all night to see these yobs get a caution and let back out to do the same thing.

Getting an ASBO is to me a waste of time as These are only in effect for a particular area.
All these yobs do is have an ASBO slapped on them and they go and do the same vandalism in another area...without fear of getting locked up.
The lawis an ass and whilst it remains that way...Crime Pays!!!!!
It's the poor taxpayer and good citizens that have to put up with this and foot the bill.

I don't understand why people smash the glass in bus shelters. Where's the fun in it? In fact, now I come to think of it, why do they even make the shelters out of glass? What's wrong with brick, concrete or even wood?

I draw your attention to my post from another thread.......



QUOTE

"If it was left up to me the money paid for the police force by rate payers would be refunded in full by these morons (and others such as litterers and vandals etc) through fines and/or 'clean up' work so that it could be rerouted into other uses, such as more police.

Basically, the yobs etc pay out of their own pockets for the wages and resourses of those police and other emergency services used to clean up after them and their stupidity. Maybe at a fixed rate of £10 per person per hour used, plus a call-out rate of £50, plus vehicle 'rental' at £20 per hour, plus council clean-up charge of £20 per person per hour. PLUS board at a police station of £5 per hour!

A moron puking in the city centre at midnight requiring a police van and two officers to take him/her to West Bar to sober up for eight hours would have to pay........


2x officer for one hour = £20
1x police van for one hour = £20
Call out rate =£50
Cleaning up his/her puke =£20
8 hours in cell =£40

Total =£150 + fine for offence!"


.....and apply this rule to ALL cases of vandalism!

NB Substituting parents paying fines, and cleaning up the mess with their kids where appropriate.

AND................


..........."And by-the-way sir, you and your kid are now on a 24 hour curfew (except during your employment hours, and the kid's school hours) untill this fine is paid in full!"

"Pardon? You don't have a job? In that case sir that's 24 hours except visits to job centre (straight there and back) and £? will be deducted from your dole money each week. What? You can't afford it? Never mind sir, as you spent £? last night getting sozzled (or £80 on the kid's trainers) we'll assume you have that amount to throw away and can manage without it! NOW GET YOURSELF AND YOUR LITTLE SCROTES SORTED OUT YOU PLANK!"

Probably wouldn't work. Civil liberty crap and all
:loopy:

Who would want to stand in an enclosed brick or concrete shelter, at night, in some areas of ANY town in this day and age Sidla?:(

There are quite a few threads going on about the mindless yob culture that seems to exist amongst many young people nowadays.
I've had dealings with social services, the local education authority and the police about one young person and at the end of the day no-one wanted to help. It got to the point were his family were threatened with eviction by the housing association unless this lad stopped bringing trouble to the area.
I have a solution and I think it would work. If these naughty children are caught then quite literally put them into the stocks, obviously have someone standing guard so they don't get beaten to a pulp but then keep them in the stocks for 24 hours with no toilet priveleges.
Might sound rather drastic but I can't think of a single child who likes to be humiliated and shown up so they may think twice before causing further problems. Do they still have the old stocks in the middle of Woodhouse? Maybe it's time for them to be reintroduced.
Fines, community service and police cautions just give the little morons more street cred. and I speak from experience.

Originally posted by markham
Who would want to stand in an enclosed brick or concrete shelter, at night, in some areas of ANY town in this day and age Sidla?:(
Help points would be a good idea, but then they'd probably be vandalised too. :loopy:

Originally posted by WALLBUILDER
Fines, community service and police cautions just give the little morons more street cred. and I speak from experience.

But dragging a bin liner around picking up rubbish for eight hours a day at weekends and school holidays with their parents on tow would do great damage to their street cred. Let's 'egg' the little b@$t@rds as they pass as well!:clap:

Originally posted by WALLBUILDER
There are quite a few threads going on about the mindless yob culture that seems to exist amongst many young people nowadays.
I've had dealings with social services, the local education authority and the police about one young person and at the end of the day no-one wanted to help. It got to the point were his family were threatened with eviction by the housing association unless this lad stopped bringing trouble to the area.
I have a solution and I think it would work. If these naughty children are caught then quite literally put them into the stocks, obviously have someone standing guard so they don't get beaten to a pulp but then keep them in the stocks for 24 hours with no toilet priveleges.
Might sound rather drastic but I can't think of a single child who likes to be humiliated and shown up so they may think twice before causing further problems. Do they still have the old stocks in the middle of Woodhouse? Maybe it's time for them to be reintroduced.
Fines, community service and police cautions just give the little morons more street cred. and I speak from experience.
Yob culture was borne out of lack of dicipline and authority in schools and at home.
Respect for others and property is not emphasised enough and the law as it is does not accomadate unruly behaviour as it used to in the old days.

Respect for the police is a thing of the past as their hands are tied by beurochracy and red tape.
The CPS should be disbanded and a new system established with Victorian values.
Prisons should be built on the same lines as in Victorian times and Chain gangs brought back into service.

Corporal punishment and capital punishment should be reintroduced as a deterent and the scrapping of all the so called Human rights bills that some idiot ..(not mentioning who) signed us up for!

Back to basics, The right to walk the street at night without being in fear of getting mugged.

Originally posted by markham
But dragging a bin liner around picking up rubbish for eight hours a day at weekends and school holidays with their parents on tow would do great damage to their street cred. Let's 'egg' the little b@$t@rds as they pass as well!:clap:

There's a problem though, how do you make the little yob do it if he refuses?
The young lad I mentioned had community service handed out to him by the courts out of the 18 hours he was supposed to do in the old General cemetary he did about five. He misbehaved, played up to entertain the other kids and the guy in charge simply told him to 'go away' and then didn't mention the failure of the child to complete his community service to the courts.
Don't blame his family environment either his mother went to every official organization she could go to, nobody seemed to be interested, in fact social services said to me that they had 'far worse children to deal with' and as he wasn't being abused or being an abuser it must be a problem at home.
There's a problem with our society, that's my opinion.

Originally posted by WALLBUILDER
There's a problem though, how do you make the little yob do it if he refuses?


You make the parents solely responsible for the task being carried out, or THEY face further consequences. Failing that we put the little scumbags in borstal type institutions and double the punishment.

Or we make the parents pay a hefty fine in lieu of this.

Either way, the parents of under 16's are ultimately responsible, and parents of over 16's can wash their hands of it and leave their yobby kids to suffer the outcome themselves.

Ultimately, the cost of putting right their wrongs is not my responsibility. I don't pay my council tax in order to waste it cleaning up after drunks, vandals and yobs.

Offenders who are caught in the act subjecting atrocious acts to innocent glass bus shelters should be locked up in glass cells with bars made out of the same brittle material.

See how quickly - and politely - they plead to be released, or alternatively, request a a first-aider to put them a plaster on.

Originally posted by markham
You make the parents solely responsible for the task being carried out, or THEY face further consequences. Failing that we put the little scumbags in borstal type institutions and double the punishment.

Or we make the parents pay a hefty fine in lieu of this..
Kids don't respect the police, teachers, their elders and in many cases couldn't care less if there parents are fined and certainly aren't about to do what their parents ask them to do. Some parents are bad parents but the blame can't be laid only at their door, if someone whose son at 14 is bigger than them goes to the authorities for help and recieves none is their son's behaviour only their rault?

If the yob is bigger, or tougher than the parent, then a Borstal type institution is the best place for them. Be doing the parent, neighbours and society a favour.

If it was an out of control dog it would be taken away!

Originally posted by markham
If the yob is bigger, or tougher than the parent, then a Borstal type institution is the best place for them. Be doing the parent, neighbours and society a favour.

If it was an out of control dog it would be taken away!
I agree with your post......WE need o get hard...bring back the Borstal....Discipline and corporal Punishment.

Actually...Just kit them out and send them to Iraq.....If they think they are hard...let them get into a position where momma's not there and the bullets are flying!!! that should change their minds about Destroying other peoples property for fun...Let them see how it's done the proper way!!!

Time for real punishment to come back, well said Derek.

But sadly your girly little PM won't have it. Glad I left for a better life.

Borstal is an option I'm sure his family would of jumped at, unfortunately because of his age and the fact that he was so easily led by older kids the police were rather too light on him in my mind. Also if a young person is locked up does he learn anything? Yes he learns to be a bigger pain when he comes out, having been told how to get past a car ignition or who are the easiest people to mug, meanwhile it's your taxes that are paying for him to have sometimes a better more diverse lifestyle than he gets from living at home, so back to my earlier post 'Put them in the stocks, shame and humiliate them so they never ever want to experience it again'.
Whilst in borstal the do gooder social services will probably be telling him it's not his fault but everyone elses, they don't have to confront their victims or even seem to realise that they are in the wrong.

I travel to work down prince of wales Road most days.

I would say on average I see about 2 smashed bus shelters a week.

How much does it cost to get these repared a guess would be a minimum of £50.

So how much does this cost the Sheffield council tax payers for the whole city?

unbelievable.

Originally posted by Fudbeer
I travel to work down prince of wales Road most days.

I would say on average I see about 2 smashed bus shelters a week.

How much does it cost to get these repared a guess would be a minimum of £50.

So how much does this cost the Sheffield council tax payers for the whole city?

unbelievable.
As it is made from safety glass...Look around the 500 mark plus labour per shelter.

Originally posted by DerekH
I would take it that this is PC Frost you are refering to.

Dunno Derek, only remember his first name, Mick.

And I did have a chat with the guy who manages the bus shelter glass replacement, when some div drove into one on our street and he got the short straw of 'on call' that night. I wish I could remember the figures, but I think a panel costs £40. The unbreakable ones cost around 8 times that, but they scratch easily, so graffiti cannot be cleaned off without damaging the panel, so each shelter is considered on the basis of what it's most at risk from and the cost of maintennance.

Round up all the little scroats and send them off to the Bangcock Hilton for a few months. When they come back they will be completley reformed!.

Originally posted by vidster
Round up all the little scroats and send them off to the Bangcock Hilton for a few months. When they come back they will be completley reformed!.

Good idea - their arseholes would be bigger than their brains although thats possibly the case already!!

Originally posted by Strix
Dunno Derek, only remember his first name, Mick.

And I did have a chat with the guy who manages the bus shelter glass replacement, when some div drove into one on our street and he got the short straw of 'on call' that night. I wish I could remember the figures, but I think a panel costs £40. The unbreakable ones cost around 8 times that, but they scratch easily, so graffiti cannot be cleaned off without damaging the panel, so each shelter is considered on the basis of what it's most at risk from and the cost of maintennance.
You would think that they would do away with glass and enclose the shelter with steel plate......That would at least cost less in the long run.....or better still...do away with covered shelters.

These yobs amaze me as the shelters are the very places that give them shelter from the elements. when they are out at night.

The authorities should find out who they are, Where they live and have the windows removed from their homes......

Is it that glass shelters are judged to be safer in some way because you can see into them easier?
I thought it was a shame, a brick bus shelter that was opposite the childrens hospital near the entrance to Weston Park has recently disappeared.

(Been reading this forum for a long time but this is my first post!)

That was the point I was making in an earlier post on the thread.
Rather than being enclosed, it's easier to see what's going on, and (theoretically) people would then see if someone was being assaulted...
See this for what I mean:
http://www.designcouncil.info/webdav/servlet/XRM?Page/@id=6048&Session/@id=D_narvP8tp9667aybPKK1I&Document/@id=2136

Phew, long URL

Wow - I'm impressed all to heck now.

Great investigative work, Wicko_Boy.

How on earth did you manage to find a site about shelter design?

I owe you an apology for my comments at the start; I sort of knew what you were getting at but wanted you to elaborate further.

How about this for an idea for a vandal - proof bus shelter - build tall strong poles like street light poles in the ground - suspend a shelter - ROOF ONLY from them - wala - no glass walls to vandalise and make roof sufficiently high to be out of harms way too -
also said poles could also perform the following functions:

- double as more street lights
- support CCTVs on them
- support the bus timetable - done out in vandal-proof tin etchings

Of course this does not stop people getting soaked from wind-blown rain but it at least protects them from the vertical steady pouring sort ...

what do people think ?

we had a bus shelter at the bottom of our street, it was glass, it got smashed every time it was replaced it got smashed again within hours. It was replaced by perpex, this was bent, broken and just attacked in every way poosible til it was a wrecked heap on the floor. then came the metal replacement, ditto. One day all the walls of the bus shelter were just removed, it was a roof on legs. This didn't stop the vandals, they just attacked the legs and roof instead!!! Finally theyve given up, there's just a sign now... wonder how long that will last....:suspect:

Originally posted by Patrick2000
How about this for an idea for a vandal - proof bus shelter - build tall strong poles like street light poles in the ground - suspend a shelter - ROOF ONLY from them - wala - no glass walls to vandalise and make roof sufficiently high to be out of harms way too -
also said poles could also perform the following functions:

- double as more street lights
- support CCTVs on them
- support the bus timetable - done out in vandal-proof tin etchings

Of course this does not stop people getting soaked from wind-blown rain but it at least protects them from the vertical steady pouring sort ...

what do people think ?
When did you last see falling rain in Sheffield? It nearly always has a horizontal element ot it

Who needs bus shelters anyway??? Just buy an umbrella!!!

Originally posted by SarahM
Who needs bus shelters anyway??? Just buy an umbrella!!!
It would take ages to get from A to B if the bus driver pulled over for everyone with an umbrella... :suspect:

i reckon,4 what its worth most of these yobs are jobless y not give em community service fixing the buggers and everything else they care to vandalize for need of a job

:o very shocked to see what some mindless moron had done to the bus stop outside the co op at southey, glass everywhere. while buying my sunday paper at approx 0815 i did mention it to the saleswoman who stated that the damage was done around 0715 by at least 15 youths :mad: what the hell are 15 youths stolling about at that time in the morning running riot,were they returning home from a late nite rave,were they off their heads on some illegal substance,where were the police?
the council or first reacted quickly because by 10.30 everything had all been cleared and the glass replaced.
why do they always pick on bus stops,it used to be telephone kiosks before the advent of the moby

they were more likely to have been off their heads on a legal substance ie alcohol.

i once went to the shop in other halfs freelander, parked up in stocksbridge near some kids. came out 5min later BIG key scratch down both side panels and no children about. i say children, they were teenagers, caused some deep damage and i was fuming. they have got nothing better to do than cause mayhem. what happened to all the youth clubs? sports clubs?
i know ur gonna say i didnt see em do it, so cant blame em but..

Originally posted by NatalieSheff
i once went to the shop in other halfs freelander, parked up in stocksbridge near some kids. came out 5min later BIG key scratch down both side panels and no children about. i say children, they were teenagers, caused some deep damage and i was fuming. they have got nothing better to do than cause mayhem. what happened to all the youth clubs? sports clubs?
i know ur gonna say i didnt see em do it, so cant blame em but..

This kind of thing really winds me up. What is the point of doing this to someone's car? Is it jealousy or just boredom-induced mindless spite. Maybe a bit of both. :mad:

It's along the same lines as these scrotes who when they can't manage to remove your car radio from your car they stick a screw driver through it in a way of saying 'well if I can't have it then neither can you'. What is going on in these people's heads to make this thought process logical???? :mad:

Originally posted by fridgeman
what the hell are 15 youths stolling about at that time in the morning running riot

Maybe they were on their way back home from the Cells??

I blame the parents :suspect: and the drugs :)

Bus stop vandalism is a weekly occurance where I live. How do they smash them. One theory is cigarette lighters! Whatever method it's sick. It is costing the bus companies hundreds of thousands of pounds a year to repair them. There was an article in the Rotherham Star last week about this. I say go back to the old stone ones, there's not a lot of damage you can do them is there?

:clap: congratulations to first or the sheffield council for reacting very quickly on sunday morning because by 10.30 am all the smashed glass was cleared up removing the danger of little kiddies and animals getting injured, also all the glass replaced in the bus stop ,well done i say.
unfortunatly i've just driven past on my way to the northern with an injured colleague and noticed the little b%$%£&%& have smashed the stop yet again and of course nobody has seen or heard anything :rant: