People of Sheffield

Which do you prefer? which is more comfortable?

Just doing a bit of research:huh:

I used to prefer the old style Black Cab but now I'm finding the newer ones quite good when you've got a load of bags!

I find the Eurocabs just a bit....well.....ostentatious. It's ike having a mini-bus pull up outside your house!

People of Sheffield

Which do you prefer? which is more comfortable?

Just doing a bit of research:huh:


Strange you should post this.My o/h drives a eurocab and I was only saying half hour ago that they are not as comfy as the black ones.

I prefer the Peugeot Eurocab, TBH, because there's more room to move, to park my wheelchair up in the EC than there is in the Black-cabs.

Strange you should post this.My o/h drives a eurocab and I was only saying half hour ago that they are not as comfy as the black ones.

Ahah... he's in the trade...what's his view?

Well tbh he didn't have an ordinary black one,but he likes the euro one.if he has airport jobs and is only taking 5 people he can take out the middle two seats and push the back 3 forward for extra luggage space if needed.He hasn't had to use it for anyone disabled as yet but says it's better for them.
I personally think the middle 2 seats aren't that comfy and the front ones can hold 2 passengers but you have to make sure they are both on the slim side as they not very big.

I always feel higher up above the road in the Eurocabs - I don't find that as comfy as the Black Cabs.

As a customer I prefer Eurocabs(more room and comfier(sp?) ride).

As a driver, I would have to buy one if I changed to Hackney over PHV as I can't fit in an London taxi. Shame they can't be bought as auto's though.

As a customer I prefer Eurocabs(more room and comfier(sp?) ride).

As a driver, I would have to buy one if I changed to Hackney over PHV as I can't fit in an London taxi. Shame they can't be bought as auto's though.

Can Black cabs (London Taxi) be bought in auto transmission?

They are after all converted vans and not purpose built taxis.To add to that there are various companies doing the conversions, so some more comfortable than others. the conversion companies are i a flap because the manufacturers like Fiat and Citroen that produce the vehicle have changed and updated the design, throwing all the measrements out for the conversion kits that they used.
The traditional black cab also has had a complete overhaul in design from October last year with the launch of the TX4. Although it looks simmilar, it has redesigned suspension, VM Chrysler type engine ABS as standard, air con etc simply a better taxi oh and an auto option for Ash :) but with a £30000 price tag so it should be.

Can Black cabs (London Taxi) be bought in auto transmission?


Yep, see tabs post.

I'm not aware of any Eurocabs that currently have auto transmission.
I could actually drive a London Taxi with auto, but too little leg room, even the Eurocab I would slightly struggle with, but I can fit in it. When your working full shifts in a car, your own comfort is a major importance.

They are after all converted vans and not purpose built taxis.To add to that there are various companies doing the conversions, so some more comfortable than others. the conversion companies are i a flap because the manufacturers like Fiat and Citroen that produce the vehicle have changed and updated the design, throwing all the measrements out for the conversion kits that they used.
The traditional black cab also has had a complete overhaul in design from October last year with the launch of the TX4. Although it looks simmilar, it has redesigned suspension, VM Chrysler type engine ABS as standard, air con etc simply a better taxi oh and an auto option for Ash :) but with a £30000 price tag so it should be.

I didn't think Fiat and Citroen produced the eurocab. AFAI Knew, it was Peugeot...?

I didn't think Fiat and Citroen produced the eurocab. AFAI Knew, it was Peugeot...?
Yup, Exactly the SAME van produced by all three manufacturers with their own badging on the finished product, and the coversion people buy them up in bulk from whoever gives them the best deal.
A bit like when Ford produced the Galaxy, and VW produced the same thing but called it Sharran and I think Seat made one as well with a diffrent name tag. :)

Yup, Exactly the SAME van produced by all three manufacturers with their own badging on the finished product, and the coversion people buy them up in bulk from whoever gives them the best deal.
A bit like when Ford produced the Galaxy, and VW produced the same thing but called it Sharran and I think Seat made one as well with a diffrent name tag. :)

I remember the VW Sharan(?e) and the Ford Galaxy being the same, (and Seat produce identical cars to the VWs) and I know the Fiat Doblo, Citroen Berlingo, and the Renault Kangoo are all more or less identical, but afaik, the Peugeot is on its own in style, not like any other van etc.

WRT the Galaxy/ Sharane, A friend of ours bought a galaxy through motability:- it was identical to the sharane, except the sharane dealers demanded a £1K deposit, the galaxy deposit was only about £200 (if not "nil").

Here is a link to the three different vans Fiat Scudo, Citroen despatch and the pug expert: http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/829/eurothreejl6.jpg

As for the dealers they behave according to their need to sell, and VW do seem to be confident that their customers will not drive a Ford so they usually do get away with charging a tad more than the rest :)

I like the Yellow submarine Yellow Peugeot Eurocab. It has been around for the past 5years I believe.

talking about comfort, did any one see the BMW 730 on private hire, the driver said he wanted to be comfortable and for that he will pay the price for it.

talking about comfort, did any one see the BMW 730 on private hire, the driver said he wanted to be comfortable and for that he will pay the price for it.

He only ran it for a few months, then went back to a sensible car.

He only ran it for a few months, then went back to a sensible car.

was a nice ride

was a nice ride
Beautiful car. He was going to let me take it for a spin, but I daren't incase I knocked it. Never heard a diesel sound so good :love:

I was about to start a thread to ask a few interconnected question, and this old thread came up so I thought I'd bump it and use it instead.

I always understood that black cabs had to be of a particular design, and meet certain criteria to be able to be plied for hire as hackney cabs. I don't know what the criteria was, but assumed it included such things as turning circle, a certain strength of construction etc, to allow use as a psv. As a result, anyone wanting to work as a cabbie had to buy one of these and could not just use a car as a cab. This partly explaind the separation between private hire cars and hackney carriages. Black cabs were therefore limited production, presumably hand made, and therefore expensive.

Now we have the Peugeot/Citroen/Fiat converted vans working as private hire hackney carriages. What, if anything, has changed?
Have the regulations covering hackney carriages changed to now allow these vehicles in?
Were they already allowed, but previously nobody had bothered to convert them?
Is it some sort of European Directive that now allows "equivalent" stuff from the rest of Europe?
Are the Eurocabs cheaper than normal black cabs, being from a more mass produced background?
Or was I wrong in the first place that hackney carriages were somehow special?

I don't like any black cab or euro, much prefer cars and i like to chat to the driver in comfort.

BUMP.

Can anyone answer my post #21?

Thanks.

EATER SUNDAE

I will try and answr your questions, all Councils are governed by the Local Government Miscellaneous Provisions Act 1976 and the Town Police Clauses Act 1847 - for the purpose of Hakcney Carriage Vehicles, Private Hire Vehicles and Drivers of them.

The legal Definition of what can be a hackney carriage or a private hire are in these acts, it is fair to say that most councils have specifications for vehicles and do not have specific makes and models within those specifications, this allows the applicants a choice and does not lead to a closed or monopolised market by a certain manufacturer of vehicles.

Liverpool Council recently lost a High Court (high profile) case in 2009 on this very subject, as they had a policy that did not allow the "eurocab" they lost in Court on discrimination grounds

The Judge

Mr Justice Blake found that the restriction on use of the E7 taxi is contrary to Article 28 of the European Community Treaty. He also ruled that the Council had acted contrary to the Disability Discrimination Act 1995. Given that the E7 operates successfully across most of the UK without difficulty, the judge found that the restriction was not justified on safety grounds.

The private hire vehicle specification for Sheffield can be found on the Councils website, http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/business-economy/licensing/general-licensing/taxi-licensing

There doesnt appear that there is a hackney carriage specification listed on there, but this may be due to that fact that the Council in Sheffield has a limitation policy on hakcney carriage licenses.

Eurocabs as they are commonly called, can be less expensive then the traditional hackney carriage, but they can also be as dear when they start adding extras, they are more expensive in the down time when break downs occur as the parts are less accessible, and some have to be imported etc.

Traditonal cabs are all from the same manufactuer and therefore spares and repairs are a lot easy to do and come by,.



The Legal Definitions are below,

Section 38 Town Police clauses act states;

What vehicles are deemed to be a hackney carriages

"every wheeled carriage, whatever may be its form or construction, used in standing and plying for hire in any street within the prescribed distance, and every carriage standing upon a street within the prescribed distance, having thereon any numbered plate required by this special act to be fixed upon a hackney carriage, or having thereon any plate resembling or intended to resemble any suhc plate as aforesaid, shall be deemed to be a hackney carriage within the meaning of this act; and in proceedings at law or otherwise the term "hackney carriage" shall be sufficient to describe any such carriage; provided always that no stage coach used for the purpose of standing or plying for passengers to be carried for hire at separate fares. and duly licensed for that purpose, and having thereon the proper numbered plates required by law to be placed on such stage coaches, shall be deemed to be a hackney carriage within the meaning of this act."


To say that the legislation is antiquated and out of date some what is an understatement,

The 1976 Act Section 48 covers what type of vehicles have to be licensed if the Council receive an application, its states;

Provided that a district council shall not grant such a licence unless they are satisfied.

A, The vehicle is -

(i) suitable in type, size and design for use as a private hire vehicle
(ii) Not such a design and appearance as to lead any person to believe that the vehicle is a
hackney carriage
(iii) In a suitable mechanical condition
(iv) Safe and
(v) comfortable


Hope this helps with your question



Hope this helps with your question

The first Eurocab I used was in Canterbury about 7 or 8 years ago, it was based on the Mercedes V class and was very roomy and comfortable.

EATER SUNDAE

I will try and answr your questions, all Councils are governed by the Local Government Miscellaneous Provisions Act 1976 and the Town Police Clauses Act 1847 - for the purpose of Hakcney Carriage Vehicles, Private Hire Vehicles and Drivers of them.

The legal Definition of what can be a hackney carriage or a private hire are in these acts, it is fair to say that most councils have specifications for vehicles and do not have specific makes and models within those specifications, this allows the applicants a choice and does not lead to a closed or monopolised market by a certain manufacturer of vehicles.

Liverpool Council recently lost a High Court (high profile) case in 2009 on this very subject, as they had a policy that did not allow the "eurocab" they lost in Court on discrimination grounds

The Judge

Mr Justice Blake found that the restriction on use of the E7 taxi is contrary to Article 28 of the European Community Treaty. He also ruled that the Council had acted contrary to the Disability Discrimination Act 1995. Given that the E7 operates successfully across most of the UK without difficulty, the judge found that the restriction was not justified on safety grounds.

The private hire vehicle specification for Sheffield can be found on the Councils website, http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/business-economy/licensing/general-licensing/taxi-licensing

There doesnt appear that there is a hackney carriage specification listed on there, but this may be due to that fact that the Council in Sheffield has a limitation policy on hakcney carriage licenses.

Eurocabs as they are commonly called, can be less expensive then the traditional hackney carriage, but they can also be as dear when they start adding extras, they are more expensive in the down time when break downs occur as the parts are less accessible, and some have to be imported etc.

Traditonal cabs are all from the same manufactuer and therefore spares and repairs are a lot easy to do and come by,.



The Legal Definitions are below,

Section 38 Town Police clauses act states;

What vehicles are deemed to be a hackney carriages

"every wheeled carriage, whatever may be its form or construction, used in standing and plying for hire in any street within the prescribed distance, and every carriage standing upon a street within the prescribed distance, having thereon any numbered plate required by this special act to be fixed upon a hackney carriage, or having thereon any plate resembling or intended to resemble any suhc plate as aforesaid, shall be deemed to be a hackney carriage within the meaning of this act; and in proceedings at law or otherwise the term "hackney carriage" shall be sufficient to describe any such carriage; provided always that no stage coach used for the purpose of standing or plying for passengers to be carried for hire at separate fares. and duly licensed for that purpose, and having thereon the proper numbered plates required by law to be placed on such stage coaches, shall be deemed to be a hackney carriage within the meaning of this act."


To say that the legislation is antiquated and out of date some what is an understatement,

The 1976 Act Section 48 covers what type of vehicles have to be licensed if the Council receive an application, its states;

Provided that a district council shall not grant such a licence unless they are satisfied.

A, The vehicle is -

(i) suitable in type, size and design for use as a private hire vehicle
(ii) Not such a design and appearance as to lead any person to believe that the vehicle is a
hackney carriage
(iii) In a suitable mechanical condition
(iv) Safe and
(v) comfortable


Hope this helps with your question



Hope this helps with your question

That's very helpful. Thanks very much