Not often i'm in this section and apologies if it has been posted before, but i'm lazy and cant be arsed to search:thumbsup:

Anyway, as a certain young man would say:-

Topic

A petition has been started for the Government to acknowledge the achievements of Bob Paisley above those of Sir Alex Ferguson as follows: - Bob Paisley was England's best ever manager and won the European Cup three times while manager of Liverpool yet only ever received an OBE. He also won the domestic League title 6 of the 9 years he was in charge. Alex Ferguson has only won the European Cup once, yet received a knighthood.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/SirBobPaisley/

Enjoy!

why bother???

What scottf said. Why bother?

Not often i'm in this section and apologies if it has been posted before, but i'm lazy and cant be arsed to search:thumbsup:

Anyway, as a certain young man would say:-

Topic

A petition has been started for the Government to acknowledge the achievements of Bob Paisley above those of Sir Alex Ferguson as follows: - Bob Paisley was England's best ever manager and won the European Cup three times while manager of Liverpool yet only ever received an OBE. He also won the domestic League title 6 of the 9 years he was in charge. Alex Ferguson has only won the European Cup once, yet received a knighthood.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/SirBobPaisley/

Enjoy!

Paisley never won the treble.
AND IS DEAD AS A DOORNAIL.

its probably more relevant to start a petition for the palace to take back the awards given to the england cricket team last year.

its probably more relevant to start a petition for the FA to take back the Champions League trophy from Liverpool, given that they weren't the English champions so shouldn't have been in the competition in the first place.

why bother???
Things like this make a lot of sense to incredibly bitter Liverpool fans.

Not often i'm in this section and apologies if it has been posted before, but i'm lazy and cant be arsed to search:thumbsup:

Anyway, as a certain young man would say:-

Topic

A petition has been started for the Government to acknowledge the achievements of Bob Paisley above those of Sir Alex Ferguson as follows: - Bob Paisley was England's best ever manager and won the European Cup three times while manager of Liverpool yet only ever received an OBE. He also won the domestic League title 6 of the 9 years he was in charge. Alex Ferguson has only won the European Cup once, yet received a knighthood.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/SirBobPaisley/

Enjoy!
Can you even knight dead people?

Anyway the transparent ABU bitterness of the petition is just laughable, Sir Bobby Robson hasn't won anywhere near as much as Ferguson so why isn't he mentioned instead of Ferguson? The answer is obviously that the bitter morons who came up with the petition are so blinded by hatred of united that they'd rather do down Manu that actually put forward a coherent argument to back Paisley.

Anyway Paisley obviously won a lot but not as much as Ferguson who's won more trophies than any other manager in the history of English football. What's more Paisley only won things at one club with a team that was assembled by his predecessor in contrast Ferguson built Aberdeen up from nothing and was the first manager for 15 years to break the Rangers and Celtic stranglehold on the Scottish league in 1980. He went on to win the Scottish League a further two times and also won the European Cup Winners Cup and UEFA Supercup with them can Paisley match that kind of achievement with a small club?

After Aberdeen Ferguson of course came to United where he's won everything there is to win after having to build up rather than simply inherit a winning team, can Paisley match that?

It's merely a sign of how watered-down these things are nowadays. Back in the 70s, you had to make a major lifetime achievement to get one of these ... nowadays, you can win an MBE for bowling two overs in one Test.

By 70s standards, Ferguson doesn't remotely deserve a knighthood; it's debatable whether he deserves anything. By modern standards, I'm surprised he hasn't been appointed God by now :rolleyes:

wow where is LFCMadPaul..... he's normally the first on the scene with threads like these :confused:

It's merely a sign of how watered-down these things are nowadays. Back in the 70s, you had to make a major lifetime achievement to get one of these ... nowadays, you can win an MBE for bowling two overs in one Test.

By 70s standards, Ferguson doesn't remotely deserve a knighthood; it's debatable whether he deserves anything. By modern standards, I'm surprised he hasn't been appointed God by now :rolleyes:
Again why are you directing these comments at Ferguson when Sir Bobby Robson has achieved so much less?

Also I think you'll find that many undistinguished people who achieved far less than Robson or Ferguson have long been awarded knighthoods, multiple term backbenchers for example who never did anything more than secure a safe seat then spend a lifetime obediently trotting through whichever ever lobby the government whips told them to for example.

Again why are you directing these comments at Ferguson when Sir Bobby Robson has achieved so much less?


The OP makes no mention of Bobby Robson, so his knighthood is not relevant to this discussion. For the record, same goes, excepting Bobby actually got the England team to within two penalty-kicks of a World Cup Final.

Not often i'm in this section and apologies if it has been posted before, but i'm lazy and cant be arsed to search:thumbsup:

Anyway, as a certain young man would say:-

Topic

A petition has been started for the Government to acknowledge the achievements of Bob Paisley above those of Sir Alex Ferguson as follows: - Bob Paisley was England's best ever manager and won the European Cup three times while manager of Liverpool yet only ever received an OBE. He also won the domestic League title 6 of the 9 years he was in charge. Alex Ferguson has only won the European Cup once, yet received a knighthood.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/SirBobPaisley/

Enjoy!

Well he would do its fergie but having said that ..... Paisley, even tho he did a fantastic job and is the most succesfull Liverpool Manager ever, did take the Liverpool job having followed a man who had already layed the foundations for the best team ever (Mr Shankly)
Fergie, however didnt have an already brilliant team, so you could say his achievments/honours are deserved.
IMO though, both men deserved nighthood, not just one

Paisley never won the treble.
AND IS DEAD AS A DOORNAIL.

Death comes to us all ....... even fergie
Man U wont be the same when he finally does snuff it aswell might i add

its probably more relevant to start a petition for the FA to take back the Champions League trophy from Liverpool, given that they weren't the English champions so shouldn't have been in the competition in the first place.

why .... the rules allow more than one from our country u goon
many teams have won the champ league who didnt win their countries league so your comment is like you ... null and boring so go away

Things like this make a lot of sense to incredibly bitter Liverpool fans.


Im not bitter ... i think its right that fergies achievements should be rewarded/recognised ..... but so should Paisleys had

wow where is LFCMadPaul..... he's normally the first on the scene with threads like these :confused:

Im here :wave: :hihi: I have no arquement thats all ..... i think both mens achievements are remarkable

Can you even knight dead people?

Anyway the transparent ABU bitterness of the petition is just laughable, Sir Bobby Robson hasn't won anywhere near as much as Ferguson so why isn't he mentioned instead of Ferguson? The answer is obviously that the bitter morons who came up with the petition are so blinded by hatred of united that they'd rather do down Manu that actually put forward a coherent argument to back Paisley.

Anyway Paisley obviously won a lot but not as much as Ferguson who's won more trophies than any other manager in the history of English football. What's more Paisley only won things at one club with a team that was assembled by his predecessor in contrast Ferguson built Aberdeen up from nothing and was the first manager for 15 years to break the Rangers and Celtic stranglehold on the Scottish league in 1980. He went on to win the Scottish League a further two times and also won the European Cup Winners Cup and UEFA Supercup with them can Paisley match that kind of achievement with a small club?

After Aberdeen Ferguson of course came to United where he's won everything there is to win after having to build up rather than simply inherit a winning team, can Paisley match that?

Fergie himself has stated that to be considered a great team/manager you have to win the European Cup twice or more ....... Paisley won it 3 times !!!

Fergie himself doesnt even class himself a great manager or Man U a great team going on his comments

Again why are you directing these comments at Ferguson when Sir Bobby Robson has achieved so much less?

Also I think you'll find that many undistinguished people who achieved far less than Robson or Ferguson have long been awarded knighthoods, multiple term backbenchers for example who never did anything more than secure a safe seat then spend a lifetime obediently trotting through whichever ever lobby the government whips told them to for example.

Couldnt agree more

WOW a bit of drama and a bit of getting your knickers in a twist:roll:

For what its worth what i pasted was sent via myspace, so thought i would share it as no doubt there would be one or two other Liverpool fans about. Not intended as an opportunity for everyone to get excited and argue the merits of Sir Bobby Robson although how he got into this i dont know:confused:

Yeah if you add it all up Fergie has done ok with Aberdeen and Man U (:hihi: ) i suppose the foundations were laid for Bob but he had to keep building on the foundations and you cant fault everything he has achieved.

For what its worth the petition has 13,000 signatures which makes it into the top 10 of the most popular petitions. So eventually it will have to be 'noticed' by whats his face:roll:

Have fun

Im not bitter ... i think its right that fergies achievements should be rewarded/recognised ..... but so should Paisleys had
I say bitterness not because they want Paisley to be honoured, which is quite understandable, but because they seem more concerned doing down Ferguson that praising Paisley just look at the wording and argument they use:

'acknowledge the achievements of Bob Paisley above those of Sir Alex Ferguson... Alex Ferguson has only won the European Cup once, yet received a knighthood.'

If they must compare Paisley to a football knight they'd have a much stronger argument by comparing him to Bobby Robson who's won a fraction of both Paisley and Ferguson but they don't because they are so bitter all they can see is Manchester United.

its probably more relevant to start a petition for the palace to take back the awards given to the england cricket team last year.

I never realised they came from Selhurst Park ...........

I never realised they came from Selhurst Park ...........

Yes - its a little knows fact actually! :D

The true test of a great manager is how they perform at a small club with no money. As both Ferguson and Paisley never did this, they cannot be classed as great managers. Brian Clough, on the other hand........

The true test of a great manager is how they perform at a small club with no money. As both Ferguson and Paisley never did this, they cannot be classed as great managers. Brian Clough, on the other hand........

Aberdeen? Breaking the Old Firm monopoly AND taking Aberdeen to a European trophy is a great achievement.

The true test of a great manager is how they perform at a small club with no money. As both Ferguson and Paisley never did this, they cannot be classed as great managers. Brian Clough, on the other hand........

Brian Clough is a good shout
Who decided how you measure the test of a great manager .... you ??
If you are claiming that Paisley and Ferguson are not great managers then you are totally off your head mate :loopy:

The true test of a great manager is how they perform at a small club with no money. As both Ferguson and Paisley never did this, they cannot be classed as great managers. Brian Clough, on the other hand........
:huh: So in your world being the 1st manager for 15 years to break the Old Firm monopoly on the Scottish League title with Aberdeen (record transfer fee paid £1m in 1995) who under Ferguson also became the only Scottish club to win more than one European trophy doesn't count as 'performing at a small club with no money'?

:huh: So in your world being the 1st manager for 15 years to break the Old Firm monopoly on the Scottish League title with Aberdeen (record transfer fee paid £1m in 1995) who under Ferguson also became the only Scottish club to win more than one European trophy doesn't count as 'performing at a small club with no money'?

No, not really - had he done it with East Stirling then fair enough, but Aberdeen always have been one of the top 5 clubs in Scotland so in Scotland I would class them as a 'big' club.

As for LFCPaul's comment about Bob Paisley, back in the late 1970s, early 1980s, even Neil Warnock could have won the title with Liverpool's squad!

No, not really - had he done it with East Stirling then fair enough, but Aberdeen always have been one of the top 5 clubs in Scotland so in Scotland I would class them as a 'big' club.

As for LFCPaul's comment about Bob Paisley, back in the late 1970s, early 1980s, even Neil Warnock could have won the title with Liverpool's squad!

and won 3 european titles and all the rest ....... get a grip mate .... just look at his team .. who he brought in etc

:huh: So in your world being the 1st manager for 15 years to break the Old Firm monopoly on the Scottish League title with Aberdeen (record transfer fee paid £1m in 1995) who under Ferguson also became the only Scottish club to win more than one European trophy doesn't count as 'performing at a small club with no money'?

He also won 3 Scottish Leagues in 6 years at the Dons. As for Aberdeen being in the top 5, Basil, that's as maybe, but put that into some perspective. Of 109 completed competitive league seasons, the Old Firm have carved up 91 League titles (Rangers 51, The Bhoys 40).

Next on the list are Hearts, Hibs, and Aberdeen, with 4 each.

In only one season in Scottish football history (1964/5), have both of the Old Firm been outside of the top 3.

To have done what he did at Aberdeen showed amazing ability. I can't stand the man from what we see of him, but you have to admire him.

No, not really - had he done it with East Stirling then fair enough, but Aberdeen always have been one of the top 5 clubs in Scotland so in Scotland I would class them as a 'big' club.
Before Ferguson came along Aberdeen had won the League just once in 1955 under Ferguson they won it 3 times and haven't won it since. They also beat Real Madrid and Kevin Keegan's Hamburg in European finals something they've also not come close to doing again since Ferguson left. Is that the record of a 'big club'?

Before Ferguson came along Aberdeen had won the League just once in 1955 under Ferguson they won it 3 times and haven't won it since. They also beat Real Madrid and Kevin Keegan's Hamburg in European finals something they've also not come close to doing again since Ferguson left. Is that the record of a 'big club'?

hey, dont pick on small clubs ........... everton have done nothing wrong !!:hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

hey, dont pick on small clubs ........... everton have done nothing wrong !!:hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:
Will you please explain why you think that's funny.

Will you please explain why you think that's funny.

just having a joke matey thats all .... refering to raffas comments ... was more of a bit of banter with preach to be honest ......... Why ??

just having a joke matey thats all .... refering to raffas comments ... was more of a bit of banter with preach to be honest ......... Why ??
Don't you think that's getting a bit old now? Yes we all know Benitez said a stupid and hypocritical thing, get over it.

Will you please explain why you think that's funny.

Well it made me snigger too.

It's appropriate to the thread to mention Everton as well, as their achievement in winning the title in the 1980s is fairly equivalent to Aberdeen doing the same in Scotland under Ferguson. Funny how no-one refers to Howard Kendall as one of the all-time great managers?

Well it made me snigger too.

It's appropriate to the thread to mention Everton as well, as their achievement in winning the title in the 1980s is fairly equivalent to Aberdeen doing the same in Scotland under Ferguson. Funny how no-one refers to Howard Kendall as one of the all-time great managers?
Everton aren't remotely similar to Aberdeen, they had already won the title 7 times before they did so in the 80s and unlike Aberdeen Everton had a big enough fan base to be on broadly similar financial terms to their rivals unlike Aberdeen who are completely dwarf by Rangers and Celtic.

Don't you think that's getting a bit old now? Yes we all know Benitez said a stupid and hypocritical thing, get over it.

i was having a joke mate chill out .... who are you anyway ?? Your not my boss so dont think you can tell me what to post, so get over that ya stuck up, boring, pompus idiot

i was having a joke mate chill out
:huh: How can you seriously post a demand that someone else chills out and then follow it with a hissy fit like this:

.... who are you anyway ?? Your not my boss so dont think you can tell me what to post, so get over that ya stuck up, boring, pompus idiot
I know you have difficulty maintaining a coherent stance between one post and the next surely you should be able to manage to do so within a single paragraph.

:huh: How can you seriously post a demand that someone else chills out and then follow it with a hissy fit like this:


I know you have difficulty maintaining a coherent stance between one post and the next surely you should be able to manage to do so within a single paragraph.

i was having a joke !! You posted a mardy arse response !! so i had a rant !! its not hard !!