i have bought a 50 inch hd tv, then bought a hdtv box from sky pay the extra £10 subscription.....and think it is rubbish. it looks great on the on some of the channels that promote it. but rubbish on the sport hd channels or film channels....What a wast of money, wish i had kept my old 32" now

What do you think that has hdtv.

And i even bought the hdtv leads......another £60 down the drain.

Have you seen a HD-DVD or Blu-Ray player on your new set??

Have you seen a HD-DVD or Blu-Ray player on your new set??

Um, neither technology is out for sale to teh public yet.

Blu-Ray is crap. HD-DVD > Blu-Ray.

And no, I am not just saying that because I'm anti-Sony before the zealots start,

High definition TV is indeed utter shi*.
Stick to radio, the pictures are better.

Is it an LCD or Plasma screen TV you have?

How do you know blu-ray is crap Rich? or is it just the fact the Sony have had some part in developing it and you have a rather unfathomable dislike for anything that Sony puts it's name to?

got an hd lcd and it looks amazing. are you sure you have it set up correctly
waffer?

Um, neither technology is out for sale to teh public yet.

Blu-Ray is crap. HD-DVD > Blu-Ray.

And no, I am not just saying that because I'm anti-Sony before the zealots start,

Are you taking the mick??!!!

I have had an Xbox add on HD-DVD player for nearly two months now.
Why then can you buy the Samsung BP1000 Blu Ray player in Dixons, Amazon etc?
Why then can you buy the Toshiba XE1 HD-DVD player???

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-BD-P1000-XEU-Blu-Player/dp/B000ICKB2C/sr=8-2/qid=1172509826/ref=pd_ka_2/203-7055312-0733510?ie=UTF8&s=electronics

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Toshiba-HD-E1-High-Definition-Player/dp/B000I7IHHI/sr=1-1/qid=1172509877/ref=sr_1_1/203-7055312-0733510?ie=UTF8&s=electronics
Back to the drawing board Rich.
On HD-DVD, I have seen King Kong (looks amazing), World Trade Center, Troy, The Last Samurai , Bourne Supremacy and The Unforgiven.
They all look good, so think there might be a prob with your set up Waffer. That said I have not seen Sky HD.

And anyway, Blu Ray is starting to win the war, so Blu Ray > HD DVD.

Certainly not biased, as I think I own the losing format!

I don't think it is going to be as divisive as beta max and VHS. They are looking as ways of getting HD DVD and Blu-Ray onto one disc so both players will work.

Dont forget that they are only just starting to release the proper 'True HD' tv's with 1080p resolution. Most HD tv's that have been on the market have been 720 resolution.
Im not a techno but its all about the number of pixels that the screen can accomadate.
It seems a con that they have been selling these tv's as HD, when they arent the real thing. Its a bit like selling a 'stereo HiFi' which has only one speaker.
Another way to get money from us I suppose!

I don't think it is going to be as divisive as beta max and VHS. They are looking as ways of getting HD DVD and Blu-Ray onto one disc so both players will work.

Warner have already started to release discs in the US with one format on either side of the disc.
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://s.tf1.fr/mmdia/i/97/2/2261972.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.tf1.fr/dvd/news/0,,3382013,00-total-visuels-total-affreux-.html&h=400&w=346&sz=26&hl=en&start=5&tbnid=35KyCoKMgsJsxM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=107&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dwarner%2Btotal%2Bhd%26svnum%3D10%26hl %3Den%26sa%3DN
And LG have brought out a player that can play either.
http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/01/supermultiblue1.jpg

In terms of screen resolution, i think the 1080p business is all a marketing con.
I have seen it next to 720p and 1080i, and I cant tell the bloody difference!

Triple format discs (Blu-Ray, HD DVD and standard def) were patented by Warner enigneers last year and some titles have already been released on it as far as I'm aware. Blu-Ray and HD DVD are on one side at different depths and standard def is on the other.

Cheers. I read something about duel format discs sometime last year, i didn't realise they had moved on so quickly

And anyway, Blu Ray is starting to win the war, so Blu Ray > HD DVD.

Certainly not biased, as I think I own the losing format!

Yep, in the US BR has now sold more than HD-DVD since launch is outselling HD-DVD now.

Over here HD-DVD is outselling BR but when the only BR player is £800 it's no wonder. Maybe the PS3 (even tho it should be cheaper) will change that to some degree.

Rich, why is BR crap? You give no reasoned argument as to why.

As for dual format disc, only Warner are using these so far...seeing as they invented them.

The LG player cannot legally claim to be true dual format as it cannot play interactive features on HD-DVD discs.

The problem is the amount of compression used to squeeze so many crappy channels. DAB radio suffers the same but it's not so obvious with no picture to stare at. All this new modern technology and the best picture is still analogue with a CRT TV. Rubbish really and it's only going to get worse.

Hopefully when they start downloading overnight to peoples boxes they will be able to use the spare bitrate capacity to have better HD pictures [Battlestar Galactica looks naff sometimes, especially in shadow areas] :)

On the HD side of things, my mate has a HD DVD player [multiregion] and gets discs from the US. V for Vendetta looked fab on HD screen :)

i have bought a 50 inch hd tv, then bought a hdtv box from sky pay the extra £10 subscription.....and think it is rubbish. it looks great on the on some of the channels that promote it. but rubbish on the sport hd channels or film channels....What a wast of money, wish i had kept my old 32" now

What do you think that has hdtv.

And i even bought the hdtv leads......another £60 down the drain.


Maybe you bought a TV that's not very quick on screen refresh, meaning that your images are smeared or blocky ?

It's not the HD that's rubbish - it's usually people who have made purchases before researching them properly, leading to them buying TV's that aren't the best at displaying HDTV.

What's the TV you bought ?

Um, neither technology is out for sale to teh public yet.

Blu-Ray is crap. HD-DVD > Blu-Ray.

And no, I am not just saying that because I'm anti-Sony before the zealots start,

Rich is a 360 fanboy, so thats why he thinks HD DVD is better. Doesn't seem to consider that blu-ray is faster and nearly 2x the capacity.

720 and 1080 have differences. It's all about the number of vertical lines. 720 sets having 720 and 1080 having 1080. the 'p' and 'i' stand for progressive and interlaced. Progressive is better. Interlacing is where half of the lines are refreshed, then the other half. Progressive does the whole image in one go, making for a smoother picture.

I don't think that either will win the "blue ray vs hd dvd" battle. Around 7-8 years ago there was a similar battle with "mini discs vs dat", neither won. MP3won even though it's quality was inferior in many ways, apart from one; it was a lot more convenient. Down loads are the future for movies, who wants a big pile of DVDs when you can have all of them stored in your hard drive. I also think that there will be a wireless link between your tv and computer to watch the films on. It will not be long untill all TV will go this way, the oportunities are endless.

well I have a hi def tv and dvd player and it also digitally enhances non hi def dvd's to hi def. I found out on my set you also have to set the resolution to hi def much better now.

well I have a hi def tv and dvd player and it also digitally enhances non hi def dvd's to hi def. I found out on my set you also have to set the resolution to hi def much better now.

True, but an "upscaled" normal DVD still can't match a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD disc for picture quality.
Try it, you'll love it!

I think aswell it maybe safe to say that HDTV still in it's nappys and we'll not see the full blow WOW factor for a couple of years yet.

If you think about it normal TV has only just gone from transmitting in 4:3 to 16:9 in the past couple of years :thumbsup:

give it time mate, I have Virgin+ HD and there's only 1 HDTV channel on it :gag: and thats only on now and then ( tonight it was for the footy only ):suspect:
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I don't think it is going to be as divisive as beta max and VHS. They are looking as ways of getting HD DVD and Blu-Ray onto one disc so both players will work.

There is already a player that will accept both types of disc...can't recall the make, saw it in a magazine last month.

i have bought a 50 inch hd tv, then bought a hdtv box from sky pay the extra £10 subscription.....and think it is rubbish.

I've heard that Sky Hi Definition channels aren't true Hi definition pictures.
The only way to get High Definition is via a High Definition DVD player.
I can understand why you were dissappointed given all the hype about the quality.
I recently spent nearly £800 on an LCD TV, expecting the TV quality to be great, but in fact the picture was noticibly inferior to my 5 year old CRT TV.
I have had the LCD TV for over 3 months now so I've gotten use to the drop in quality that I was use to.
As for high definition DVD, I'm not convinced that there will be a very big market for it. The true film buff or Home Cinema geek will seek the HD products out, but I think Joe Average will be content to stick with the standard DVDs until the DVD player outlives it usefulness. The high expense and the continuing format wars doesn't help either.
The industry compares it to the Betamax VS VHS battle, however I think the HD industry is way too over optimistic and are wrong to assume that HD DVD players and recorders will become as common as the Video recorder became.
I really can't see the British public converting to HD on mass as many households will have perfectly good working standard DVD players and recorders that will still have years of shelf life still left
Aside from the obvious picture quality improvement HD discs don't seem to offer the leap in advantages that DVD did over Video tape.
Japan has had High Definition TV broadcasts for years so and it's taken some time for the rest of the world to catch up, trouble is what comes next....... Ultra High Definition?......... You'll have to get a whole set of new equiptment for that though!:suspect:

There is already a player that will accept both types of disc...can't recall the make, saw it in a magazine last month.

See my earlier post. LG make it.

I've heard that Sky Hi Definition channels aren't true Hi definition pictures.
The only way to get High Definition is via a High Definition DVD player.
I can understand why you were dissappointed given all the hype about the quality.
I recently spent nearly £800 on an LCD TV, expecting the TV quality to be great, but in fact the picture was noticibly inferior to my 5 year old CRT TV.
I have had the LCD TV for over 3 months now so I've gotten use to the drop in quality that I was use to.
As for high definition DVD, I'm not convinced that there will be a very big market for it. The true film buff or Home Cinema geek will seek the HD products out, but I think Joe Average will be content to stick with the standard DVDs until the DVD player outlives it usefulness. The high expense and the continuing format wars doesn't help either.
The industry compares it to the Betamax VS VHS battle, however I think the HD industry is way too over optimistic and are wrong to assume that HD DVD players and recorders will become as common as the Video recorder became.
I really can't see the British public converting to HD on mass as many households will have perfectly good working standard DVD players and recorders that will still have years of shelf life still left
Aside from the obvious picture quality improvement HD discs don't seem to offer the leap in advantages that DVD did over Video tape.
Japan has had High Definition TV broadcasts for years so and it's taken some time for the rest of the world to catch up, trouble is what comes next....... Ultra High Definition?......... You'll have to get a whole set of new equiptment for that though!:suspect:


What most folk dont realise, when shelling out for a LCD/Plasma screen, is that for standard definition broadcasts at least, they are in many cases inferior than normal CRT screens.
Its only when fed a high def signal that they come into their own.

Is it an LCD or Plasma screen TV you have?

.....Plasma

got an hd lcd and it looks amazing. are you sure you have it set up correctly
waffer?

i didnt set it up sky did when i changed from sky to sky hd...and every thing else is automatic

Blu-Ray is crap. HD-DVD > Blu-Ray.



What a well constructed, cultured opinion Rich. If only all debates were as concise and educated as yours. :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

Maybe you bought a TV that's not very quick on screen refresh, meaning that your images are smeared or blocky ?

It's not the HD that's rubbish - it's usually people who have made purchases before researching them properly, leading to them buying TV's that aren't the best at displaying HDTV.

What's the TV you bought ?

No on the promo channels it looks fantastic, even 3d looks great....its just when you put on sky sport hd its hardly better than normal...bbc hd is fantastic put shows very little

See my earlier post. LG make it.


That's the one....Lg. :)

I've never looked at the sports feeds, but a good one to check is discovery HD and BBC HD - they both use a high bandwith/low compression when transmitting the signal

I know that previously sports channels were notorius for transmitting low quality (highly compressed) feeds - maybe that's what's happening here.

as for the HD/BR thing, BR is where i'm placing my stake in the ground, PS3 will mean loads of players will be in your house already plugged into your HDTV

It's not quite like last play station (where the biggest selling bundle combo was Matrix) but it's going to be a foot in the door.

Most of the minority sports, non major matches and international feeds used by Sky Sports are still upscaled SD. You get a better picture than SD because the upscaling is done while the feed is still SDI at Sky Sports HQ or on site. Most SD broadcast cameras are more than capaple of 800 tv lines - not enough to be classed as HD, but better than can be broadcast on non HD channels.

With regards to international sports, bear in mind that even the olympics was only broadcast in 4:3 standard def, and it was a breakthrough as it was the first time all feeds to broadcasters were digital.