Why Do bus drivers insist on cramming as much people as they can on a bus until people are literally on top of each other! How can that be good for health and safety!

Number 76 Bus this morning............Enough Said!

Shocking!

I know but if you live further down the bus route and you needed to get to work, I can gaurantee youd be glad the bus driver was cramming them on and not complaining

its years since I went on a bus, but Im sure its equally frustrating to have the bus sail past when you are stood at the stop.

If people moved to the back of the bus there would be more space.
Try getting on a tram at 1700 now that is serious cramming,but people dont like going to stand in the middle section for some reason.

If we spent more on public transport and less on more roads for more cars,then buses would be alot more comfey

Why Do bus drivers insist on cramming as much people as they can on a bus until people are literally on top of each other! How can that be good for health and safety!

Number 76 Bus this morning............Enough Said!

Shocking!

And illegal, to boot; but 99% of the time it is NOT the driver "insisting" on it. How do you fancy being a bus driver and telling a bunch of teenage yobboes that they can't get on because the bus is full? I wouldn't.

so the moral is,if the driver doesnt stop hes in the wrong and now you feel its wrong to let everyone on.

Dammed if he does Dammed if he doesnt.

Oh and its only illegal if hes is overloading the vehicle by going over the stated passenger capcity.

Heaven forbid First would put more buses on at peak times?!

To be fair it not the drivers fault so much as bus companies. They do not put enough buses on at peak times because it is more profitable to cram as many people on to each bus as possible.

To be frank I don't care if I have to sit on someone's knee if it means I get to work/home - far better a packed bus than no bus at all. I've ridden the bus home actually sitting on the dashboard once! Obviously I'd rather have a seat and lots more frequent buses, but if we can't have that then I'll put up with it rather than have it sail past. People put up with worse in London and Japan, where they actually push people onto the trains.

People put up with worse in London and Japan, where they actually push people onto the trains. :o what, they push people on trains in London too? Bet it's just like trying to get to see what they've just put on the reduced shelf in Sainsbury's when all the pensioners are there .. :hihi:

:o what, they push people on trains in London too? Bet it's just like trying to get to see what they've just put on the reduced shelf in Sainsbury's when all the pensioners are there .. :hihi:

The other week me dad was in Morrisons and couldn't get near the reduced stuff for this old couple (and bear in mind my dad is old too) hogging the shelf. He walked off in the end. An hour later my brother was in the same shop and the same couple were still standing there in front of the reduced shelf. :o

But er... yeah! Buses, trains... Yes, they do push people onto the tube now - I've seen it. Not as bad as Japan yet, but it's already happening.:o

Why Do bus drivers insist on cramming as much people as they can on a bus until people are literally on top of each other! How can that be good for health and safety!

Number 76 Bus this morning............Enough Said!

Shocking!
If you think that's bad, you should try commuting by train or tube at peak time. Over-crowding is normal practice.

Yes, it's trains that are really annoying of overcrowded. At least on the bus you know you are not going to be on it long, but long distance trains that are crowded are just sheer hell - especially if you're on one for four hours and can't go for a wee! This happened to me last year, which is why I thoroughly, sincerely and eternally despise that bearded, grinning tycoon who is fond of flying hot air balloons...:rant:

Oh and its only illegal if hes is overloading the vehicle by going over the stated passenger capcity.


Which is pretty much a given, if the bus is "packed." The stated passenger capacity doesn't leave it in such a crush.

Which is pretty much a given, if the bus is "packed." The stated passenger capacity doesn't leave it in such a crush.


yes it can if all the passengers stand towards the front of the bus as they always do.

If people moved to the back of the bus there would be more space.
Try getting on a tram at 1700 now that is serious cramming,but people dont like going to stand in the middle section for some reason.

the problem with the middle section is that its very difficult to find something to hold onto, ive gone flying sooo many times on the tram

Why Do bus drivers insist on cramming as much people as they can on a bus until people are literally on top of each other! How can that be good for health and safety!

Number 76 Bus this morning............Enough Said!

Shocking!

Would you rather be told that you have to wait in the rain for the next one?

If we spent more on public transport and less on more roads for more cars,then buses would be alot more comfey

And back in the real world, buses were privatised 20 years ago and spending on roads is at the lowest level ever.

Yes, it's trains that are really annoying of overcrowded. At least on the bus you know you are not going to be on it long, but long distance trains that are crowded are just sheer hell - especially if you're on one for four hours and can't go for a wee! This happened to me last year, which is why I thoroughly, sincerely and eternally despise that bearded, grinning tycoon who is fond of flying hot air balloons...:rant:

Book a seat, it's much easier (better, book in advance and go first class, it's a damn site more pleasant).

yes it can if all the passengers stand towards the front of the bus as they always do.

In that case, the bus is not packed, is it? It's only crowded in one section. :rolleyes:

If you think that's bad, you should try commuting by train or tube at peak time. Over-crowding is normal practice.



I used to get the train to birmingham every sunday then from birmingham to High Wycombe and every time u had to either stand up in the carriageway or sit down on the floor! This was all the way from newcastle to bristol! Everytime it was like that, so much so they let u in the 1st class section for free.

people say imnot bothered how full it is as long as i get to work! bet you any money you wouldnt want to be on a crowded bus if an accident happened! would make the matter worse surely??

Book a seat, it's much easier (better, book in advance and go first class, it's a damn site more pleasant).

I had indeed booked a seat on that train journey (I do on most journeys over an hour long or if I have luggage) but it was so packed there was no way of getting up to go to the toilet! It was packed when we got on, but we made damn well sure we got our seats. Problem was, more and more people piled on and it was also packed with people with suitcases (including us) - so people had to put all their cases in the aisle and in some cases even sit on them as there was that little space - there was no option. It was like being in a cattle truck - a shiny red and grey cattle truck owned by a greedy bearded $%^&!

people say imnot bothered how full it is as long as i get to work! bet you any money you wouldnt want to be on a crowded bus if an accident happened! would make the matter worse surely??

You'd probably die or be injured anyway even if the bus was almost empty as only seatbelts can prevent you from being flung out of the windows - which is how most people die in bus and train crashes. At least in a crows you'd have some chance of a soft landing, as sick as that sounds. The only problem would be if there was a fire on a train - oh yes, and that's something else that happened to me last year on one of the red and grey shiny Virgin cattle trucks - luckily said train was empty as there was an England game on so we simply ran like lightning into the next carriage.

Yeah, buses get WAAAY over packed! I dread getting on them!
The tram's get bad too. I was once on a packed tram at about 8:30am when I went to Castle College years ago. It was that full, I ended up going lightheaded and falling to the floor. I looked like I was drugged up or somethin..lol! Thank god that a nurse saw me and took me to 'Cooplands' for a cuppa! lol

Hey Mathom - I aint ever gonna travel with you!!! LOL

It was like being in a cattle truck - a shiny red and grey cattle truck owned by a greedy bearded $%^&!

It's illegal to transport cattle in those conditions :D

Hey Mathom - I aint ever gonna travel with you!!! LOL

Yeah, I'm the train jinx. :( Although I have never, ever had a problem with Midland mainline, they have their train service truly sorted.

However, travel with me and you will always get the seat you have booked - I specialise in 'no messing about' if someone is sitting in it when I get there. A firm yet polite - "Excuse me, I have this seat booked..." with steely eye contact soon has them getting up. ;)

One solution would be to take some of the billion 52s and spread them out over other areas of the city- I swear there's one every 5 seconds and they rarely, if ever, have many people on them!

My experiences on buses being crowded is that they actually aren't. It's just that people are frightened of standing right at the back of the bus, therefore the front of the bus gets packed.

I had indeed booked a seat on that train journey (I do on most journeys over an hour long or if I have luggage) but it was so packed there was no way of getting up to go to the toilet! It was packed when we got on, but we made damn well sure we got our seats. Problem was, more and more people piled on and it was also packed with people with suitcases (including us) - so people had to put all their cases in the aisle and in some cases even sit on them as there was that little space - there was no option. It was like being in a cattle truck - a shiny red and grey cattle truck owned by a greedy bearded $%^&!


This was exactly the situation I found myself in last year when I was travelling back to Sheffield from a visit to Edinburgh. Train got more and more packed, everyone had piles of luggage with them, which they were leaving in the aisles. It was bearable until we got to Leeds - there were so many people waiting on the platform at Leeds to get on the train, that Virgin actually made an announcement to us on the train that it was going to get VERY crowded! And they packed them all on - I wouldn't be surprised if some people got strapped to the roof!

I was really quite frightened - I've suffered from agoraphobia in the past and find crowds of people very difficult sometimes - so I was really scared I'd have a panic-attack. It was the worst crowding I've ever known - and I had a seat - but the worst part was getting off the train. There were so many people and suitcases, to clamber around/over, it was like my own personal idea of hell. And you pay through the nose for the priviledge of being treated like cattle. :(

StarSparkle

Leeds is notoriously bad. I once actually got off a horrendously crowded Virgin train and got onto the local train (goes via Barnsley) instead. On the Virgin train, people were shoving each other out of the way to get on, it was like watching apes, some of the behaviour was utterly appalling, and it all seemed to be young, well brought up students! Old people and kids literally getting trampled and pushed against the wall. Anyway, so we got off, and an older bloke who also got off there said the local train actually gets to Sheffield quicker! Which it does! And it was gloriously empty!

So a tip: NEVER catch the Virgin train from Leeds to Sheff - get the local one via Barnsley instead!

In general I now avoid ever going via Leeds anyway, I've even seen them fighting on the platform at Leeds on a Saturday morning, desperate to get onto an already packed train, when I was heading for York - so now I will only ever catch the one that goes via Donny!

Then there was that nightmare four hour trip unable to get to the toilet - a group of girls got on at Brum after an almighty struggle - they couldn't even get to the carriage they had seats booked in, and they had huge suitcases as they were going for a flight. They were perched on top of their cases in the aisle and we made sure they got our seats at Sheffield. Then getting off, there was someone with a huge dog that they just didn't know what to do with, so the dog had to sit half in the aisle. This guy had pushed his way onto the train at Sheffield before letting anyone off and just would not let us get past, he expected us to wheel our cases over the dog's legs because he would not step back - he got put right from us and the dog owner!

I'm sure the bus drivers in Sheffield dont point a gun at intending passengers and force them to get on the allready full bus. Dont you passengers make observations of the buses pulling into the bus stops. I know in the South West, Plymouth to be exact, when the bus pulls up to a stop and and there are allready passengers standing they will back off to wait for the next bus. The choise is yours.
Ken

One solution would be to take some of the billion 52s and spread them out over other areas of the city- I swear there's one every 5 seconds and they rarely, if ever, have many people on them!



Chuffin Students!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They have everything put for them on a plate in sheffield!

Actually, not that many students in comparison use the 52s. More like the 80 nowadays - only 50p for students. After the price hike by First not many students are prepared to pay it!

This was exactly the situation I found myself in last year when I was travelling back to Sheffield from a visit to Edinburgh. Train got more and more packed, everyone had piles of luggage with them, which they were leaving in the aisles. It was bearable until we got to Leeds - there were so many people waiting on the platform at Leeds to get on the train, that Virgin actually made an announcement to us on the train that it was going to get VERY crowded! And they packed them all on - I wouldn't be surprised if some people got strapped to the roof!

I was really quite frightened - I've suffered from agoraphobia in the past and find crowds of people very difficult sometimes - so I was really scared I'd have a panic-attack. It was the worst crowding I've ever known - and I had a seat - but the worst part was getting off the train. There were so many people and suitcases, to clamber around/over, it was like my own personal idea of hell. And you pay through the nose for the priviledge of being treated like cattle. :(

StarSparkle


I completely sympathise with you there SS...

I too have panic attacks, (and claustro/ agoraphobias :rolleyes)

A couple of years ago, I was travelling on a train to a meeting, in London, the train was chok-a-block, my friend and I had been forced into the wheelchair area in Standard class, despite booking "first" class:- the carriage that had been put on for 1st class had no wheelchair area!!! :rant: :rolleyes: (I specifically book a "first" class space for my wheelchair, because it has a bit more manoeuvring space to get the "chariot" into. "Standard" -or "cattle class" as DW refers to it- just doesn't have the same space, it's much trickier to get into)

The more people that got on, the more luggage there was, which was piled up, all around me, meaning that I could not even get my flippin' chair out of the wheelchair space, to use the loo. I was jammed in there, desperate to have a tiddle, all the way down to London...

It was really horrible, and I felt quite upset that I was being used as a luggage rest, by these ignorant people, quite apart from the discomfort of needing the loo, and not being able to shift, to get to it.

(I think I broke the land speed record, dashing off the platform, into the loo when we finally got to K-X StP! :hihi:)

Actually, not that many students in comparison use the 52s. More like the 80 nowadays - only 50p for students. After the price hike by First not many students are prepared to pay it!

My Opinion u should make them walk! its not like the universities are miles away from town is it!

What makes me laff is my bus 20a or 20 says every ten minutes! Then on bustimestable it says every 20 - 30 mins!!!!

Typical South Yorkshire Travel for you !

Actually, not that many students in comparison use the 52s. More like the 80 nowadays - only 50p for students. After the price hike by First not many students are prepared to pay it!

:wink: it still doesn't stop first from running a service where you could walk all the way from Crookes to Handsworth, just by stepping from bus to bus, and never miss a step....

I was really quite frightened - I've suffered from agoraphobia in the past and find crowds of people very difficult sometimes - so I was really scared I'd have a panic-attack. It was the worst crowding I've ever known - and I had a seat - but the worst part was getting off the train. There were so many people and suitcases, to clamber around/over, it was like my own personal idea of hell. And you pay through the nose for the priviledge of being treated like cattle. :(

StarSparkle

Imagine a train packed like that getting derailed :o The carnage would be horrendous, but sadly it will probably have to happen before the train companies take their resonsibilities seriously :mad:

The politicians of course, if they use the train, travel first class at public expense so don't have to endure the cattle-truck conditions :rolleyes:

I know but if you live further down the bus route and you needed to get to work, I can gaurantee youd be glad the bus driver was cramming them on and not complaining

If people live further down the bus route they should be walking to work.

If people live further down the bus route they should be walking to work.

Or riding a bike

Imagine a train packed like that getting derailed :o The carnage would be horrendous, but sadly it will probably have to happen before the train companies take their resonsibilities seriously :mad:

The politicians of course, if they use the train, travel first class at public expense so don't have to endure the cattle-truck conditions :rolleyes:

There would have been carnage, pure and simple. It just doesn't bear thinking about - expect that someone ought to be thinking about it, because one of these massively overcrowded trains is going to crash one day. There'll be all sorts of regulations introduced after the event, but what use is that to those who'll lose their lives/limbs?

StarSparkle

you should try getting on the 88 bus!!! oh it certainly is an experience!!! you have been warned!!

I think what customers find a puzzel is that in the days of PTE ownership the max. allowed standing was about 5 people ( or was it a trade union rule!)today its around 20 and drivers don't allow customers at the back anytime to try and get to the front of the bus to get off.

I think what customers find a puzzel is that in the days of PTE ownership the max. allowed standing was about 5 people ( or was it a trade union rule!)today its around 20 and drivers don't allow customers at the back anytime to try and get to the front of the bus to get off.

Its all to do with health and safety

Of course if people started using the buses more and stopeed using thier cars there would be more buses put on to compensate for this.

No there wouldn't be. The reason that both buses and trains don't have enough capacity is because it would mean the private companies investing money and hence reducing their bottom line.

In relation to trains, there's even a theory that trains are deliberately being kept overcrowded as a precursor to road charging. If trains are crowded then it discourages people from using them, forcing them onto the roads instead where the government can make more money from them if/when road charging is introduced. The train companies can then claim that they have to increase their prices because they're getting less customers.

Of course if people started using the buses more and stopeed using thier cars there would be more buses put on to compensate for this.

Not going to happen. The bus companies aren't going to invest in extra capacity that will be used for just four hours a day; and people aren't going to swop a comfortable ride to work in their cars for being packed liked sardines in a lurching, smelly, noisy, uncomfortable bus, which they have to fight to get on - and fight to get off !!

The only bus that runs near my house is the 76 it's never bad getting to town but coming back is always a nightmare. 2 packed out 76's always drive straight past because they are too full the annoying thing about it is that most people get off at Abbeydale.

This by the way is in rush hour and First SY always insist on putting on a single decker. WHY WHY WHY:rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:

If there was another bus that ran near me I wouldn't be complaining I mean people that live at London Road/Abbeydale have the choice of 97/98/72/75/76 people that live Abbey Lane/Greenhill have 1 choice the 76

Busses in Sheffield should be made free for the next year courtesy of the council / company that runs them as an apology and a sign of goodwill for them being so rubbish for so long. Then I may resume travelling on them :mad:

Busses in Sheffield should be made free for the next year courtesy of the council / company that runs them as an apology and a sign of goodwill for them being so rubbish for so long. Then I may resume travelling on them :mad:Then the roads would be devoid of cars and the buses might run on time for once oh my!!!

erm no buses dont get overcrouded

STANDING room does not mean over crouded. most buses in the city can handle well over 25 - 30 standing passengers aswell as those seated.

That means the double deckers can hold 100+ people and th single deckers 60+ people.

Of course if people started using the buses more and stopeed using thier cars there would be more buses put on to compensate for this.


I am sure more people would use the bus if it was cheaper to go to work by bus than it is by car, but in my case and I dare say quite a few other peoples, it certainly is not.

Why Do bus drivers insist on cramming as much people as they can on a bus until people are literally on top of each other! How can that be good for health and safety!

Number 76 Bus this morning............Enough Said!

Shocking!

because they get verbally and sometimes physically abused when they try to stop the lame brains who insist on getting on the bus even when told by the driver there is no more room .:rant: :rant: :rant:

In relation to trains, there's even a theory that trains are deliberately being kept overcrowded as a precursor to road charging.

An incorrect theory.
If you knew the trouble it takes getting extra trains in the right places at the right times, so that they aren't running half empty on the return leg you may be suprised. On a number of occasions we've got extra units sent to Sheffield because of the sheer numbers waiting to go to Manchester on an already packed train. This train has to come from somewhere else.
Also if the train is packed solid, you will find the guard may not come out selling/checking tickets. Loss of revenue doesn't make sense to the TOC's.

Not going to happen. The bus companies aren't going to invest in extra capacity that will be used for just four hours a day; and people aren't going to swop a comfortable ride to work in their cars for being packed liked sardines in a lurching, smelly, noisy, uncomfortable bus, which they have to fight to get on - and fight to get off !!

perhaps if people getting on buses /trains used their brains a bit more ,they wouldn't attempt to get on an already full bus/train in the first place,

i was recently on a full bus ,when the driver pulled up to let a passenger get off, he quite loudly & clearly informed the throng at the stop he only had room for the first passenger but he may as well have been speaking swaheli for all the notice they took as they all surged forward fighting to get on the vehicle.

whats the driver to do, physically restrain them or drive over them ?. at times the travelling public are their own worst enemies

you should try getting on the 88 bus!!! oh it certainly is an experience!!! you have been warned!!

and they're run by stagecoach :gag:

Imagine a train packed like that getting derailed :o The carnage would be horrendous, but sadly it will probably have to happen before the train companies take their resonsibilities seriously :mad:

The politicians of course, if they use the train, travel first class at public expense so don't have to endure the cattle-truck conditions :rolleyes:

Actually, this is likely to be incorrect. The RAIB (they investigate accidents on the railway) have put the case forward that if a train is full and crashes, people won't move around the coaches as much. It is this that does much of the damage/injuries.
If you think this is bull****, don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger!!