http://www.ebay.confpeopleevents.co.uk/

Good to see that at least eBay knows Sheffield exists and are holding one of their 'university' days here on October 16th. Is anyone planning on going? Has anyone been before?

I would like to go but have already made plans.

From what I can see it looks like they are trying to encourage people who sell a lot to open an Ebay Store and explain the processes behind that.

I heard that one event had a question and answer session with Paypal representatives which didn't go too well....

I heard that the Inland Revenue are getting very interested in what people buy/sell on Ebay, and the tax they don't pay on it.

Yeah aint it just for 'power sellers' or at least those wanting to become one?

Its quite an interesting phenomonom (sp?) - the rise and rise of ebay that is. Do you think it will go on and on or is it just a fad?

A lot of people make their sole (and tax free) living from Ebay selling. How on earth could the taxman ever find out who was selling on Ebay....anyone can sign up with dodgy name and address.

Apparently the stats are that 250,000 people in the UK at the moment have an income solely from Ebay.....ands its growing fast every day. A Guy down the road from me I know pulls in about 40K a year from Ebay, simply selling total junk , and I do mean totally useless old junk to rich Americans!!! Lets face it, they buy ANYTHING you describe as "antique" or "rare".

Originally posted by ladyovmanor
. Do you think it will go on and on or is it just a fad?

Not likely!!! a Fad that is..

I nearly bought the ebay book and am now thinking about this.

It probaby costs me £15 to keep my 2 cats every week, so I might starve them that week and attend

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Originally posted by goldenfleece
anyone can sign up with dodgy name and address.

Where would people post a cheque to, if it was a dodgy address?

Originally posted by Skatiechik
Where would people post a cheque to, if it was a dodgy address?
Paypal:thumbsup:

they still need your bank account details for paypall to transfer funds. unless you have a dodgy bank account (hard to do i am assuming) then someone can find out who or where the person they have paid is, there are ways.

stupidity is the biggest cause for `dodgy dealings' on ebay. if you read the description its quite obvious which are the cons etc.

i have sold and bought over 170 items on ebay i have 100% feedback and have only not been sent goods once. (but they didnt cash cheque..so no biggie)

for me..ebay is great

'1 mans rubbish is another mans treasure'

Ebay is great,iv'e got a 130, feedback 100% too!!
It is getting a bit too popular though,some of the items are a bit on the steep side,still that's good if your selling.
I have sold loads of stuff,and no i don't accept paypal,prefer cash or postal orders,seems more real that way!

Originally posted by Skatiechik
Where would people post a cheque to, if it was a dodgy address?

some sellers just take electronic payment only, its much faster and far easier to keep track off. There is Nochex and Fastpay now, as well as the much hated Paypal.

Ebay is full of scammers though.......something like 70% of all the DVD's are asian bootleg imports or home made media, and I bought a few CDs a month ago only to be sent CDR copies of stuff downloaded from certain sites like Kazaa. I didnt mind too much as I wanted the music, but you see the point....

And as for the Glastonbury ticket scam, well people just WALKED into that one. For those who were looking at Ebay then there were all kinds of cowboys appearing with apparent box loads of Glastonbury "rare" back stage passes at £900+ a pair, and people actually BUYING them even though the ads said "all supplied with fake ID", etc.......wonder if anyone got the tickets or indeed if they did, would they have ever got through the security gates with such?

It is SO easy to sign up to EBay, advertise a lot of goods you dont actually have and post up generic pictures of such items, and wait for people to pay you for such non existent items. There was an article somewhere I read online a month ago and cant recall where it was but it detailed all this. The so called Ebay buyer protection is virtually non existent as they have billions of accounts signed up and no possible way of checking them. The biggest problem is that ebay accounts can be bought and sold as items in their own right so anyone may buy an account with feedback of 300 and since people will trust you, operate a few scams I imagine...and feedback can also be supposedly faked but I have no idea how that works. The system is apparently more 'hackable' than a 10yr olds homepage written in old fashioned HTML.......

There is money to made out there......just beware there are more sharks on Ebay than fish in the whole Pacific Ocean.....

I've been conned twice on ebay... both times paid via paypal... one was a mobile phone, the 2nd was a guitar neck...

the paypal and ebay protection is a load of crap basically... paypal will give you the money if they have it in their account, if they dont then its tough crap basically...

ebay, well they require you send stupid amounts of information to their HQ in germany... I'm still waiting for them to respond to the 2nd case...

to be honest, I'm avoiding ebay now... if I have to pay more for random things then so be it... you AREN'T protected on ebay, I wish someone would actually take ebay/paypal to court or something with misleading people into thinking they will shell out if something goes wrong... cus they dont!


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well I tell a lie... I got just over £1 back from paypal for a £60 phone I paid for and never recieved... the guitar neck, aint recieved a penny from the £40 and dont expect to either really... piece of crap it is...

they should only allow people to give home numbers and allow access to their home address... ebay wouldnt even give me the address of the person cus it was against the rules or something... I contacted some of the people the person had bought from, none of them would give me their details... all ebay would give me was an email address the person wasnt responding to and a mobile number that was constantly switched off!

Ebay is the end of Capitalism

Originally posted by xafier
I've been conned twice on ebay..... I contacted some of the people the person had bought from, none of them would give me their details... all ebay would give me was an email address the person wasnt responding to and a mobile number that was constantly switched off!


I tell you Ebay is the biggest scam going. Apologies to all legitimate sellers as there are plenty of you, its the sharks who operate on there who give it a very bad name. A friend of a friend has been ripped off for a pair of Bryan Adams ticket for SHeffield Arena, paid good money for a pair of double tickets and guess what.....the sellers email address suddenly starts to bounce all emails, requests to Ebay for details eventually revealed the sellers address to be fake and the (fake) phone number was 666666666. Paypal refused to refund the money as the seller had closed the account, presumably after selling multiple sets of non existent tickets to innocent Bryan Adams fans. The tickets have not arrived and are not likely to..

BEWARE anyone biding on gig tickets on Ebay, some of them are simply con tricks.

I feel for your friend Goldenfleece... I've lost like £100 altogether... might not be much to some of you, but to me as a poor student its a freekin lot, and nobody can afford to lose money...

personally I think you should have to sign up with a valid credit card, that way they have your real name and address... or just have some way so that the details they give are correct so you can bust their ass if they con you...

on a good note I did buy an item that was wrongly described last week... cost me like £7, told the guy it wasnt what I thought, he gave me his number, I rang him, we talked it over... he gave me my money back, I gave him the item...

not everyone on ebay is an asshole... but there are enough of them cropping up now :(

Out of the umpteen millions of deals done on eBay there will undoubtedly be a small percentage of fraudulent transactions. This will reflect the level of fraud in daily life - or are you going to tell me that without eBay fraud does not exist? Thieves sadly are a part of life.

I earn a substantial part of my living on eBay turning over nearly £50K a year through their site and rarely come across anything except honesty, and yes it is declared to the taxman. It does seem to be what you sell and I agree DVDs and mobile phones do seem to attract some dubious characters whereas other products don't. If you have had a bad deal on eBay they do have their safeharbour protection which is extremely good and if it is outright fraud or theft then contact the police, every eBay user is traceable and if you don't report it then don't be surprised if nothing is done.

£50,000 a year turnover? **** man, what you selling? I want to get into that... lol... I need money :P

I've reported both of my obvious fraud transactions to paypal, and then to ebay when paypal didnt deal out... y'know, cant get more fraudulent than someone paying and never sending the goods or returning a response to emails and calls/txt's...

ebay never got a penny for me for the mobile phone which was like about a year ago now... and I'm still waiting for what they're gonna do about the guitar neck...

what sort of person sells a randomly non unique or rare item and doesnt ship it? its not like the item I bought was something that would attract a lot of attension... maybe if it had been an Ibanez JS2000 signed by Joe Satriani then I'd have been a lot more warey... but not an early 90's 2nd hand guitar neck...

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and I'm pretty sure if I went to the cops and went "I bought an item off ebay and the person never sent it, here's their user ID and email address" they'd just laugh in my face and do nothing about it... dont you? :P it'd probably cost them more than £40 to do anything about it, which is what i paid for the item

That's where I think you are wrong and that is exactly what fraudsters rely on. This week the police caught a young guy in Wales after eBayers had reported him to the police.
If you are defrauded and you have paid by credit card then you can claim back on your credit card, PayPal also offer chargebacks.

I am honest and am astounded when people send me a load of cash in an envelope often not even recorded - people like that are just begging to be ripped off or lose their money in the post.

I'm sorry to hear about your experiences how did you pay for the goods?

I love ebay... its tends to be very addictive.

Last year I got my friend something using my account, and it never materialised, it was only about £3 but I thought i would contact ebay anyway... they then told me that it was their policy that for every £15 you had spent on the item they would give you £1 back, now to be that just seems like a rediculous policy. Its hardly worth reporting the culprits for!

Susie
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if you want to be really carefull then check all feedback and have a look at previous items sold..you could even email previous winners of auctions. yeah i know they could fake a lot. but its usually the same kind of things for sale that are dodgy. i think you just need to read before you buy and if any doubts..dont bother.

ive never had problems with paypall but i know there is a paypall hate site..i had a look and it doesnt half put you off!!.


heres things you shouldnt buy (in my opinion)

pdf books
dvd/cd/vcd live concerts (these WILL most likely be bootlegs...if your a big fan..result...if your not then you will get narky that its a dvd-r)
concert tickets
mobile phones from low feedback users.

im sure theres tons more. every dodgy scam from last 15 years are on ebay.

oh i just bought great dvd player 5 star award winner brand new boxed. got it for £20 less than my maxium bid. sorted ;)

oh.. and no used underwear hahahahaha

Originally posted by Grey Man
If you are defrauded and you have paid by credit card then you can claim back on your credit card, PayPal also offer chargebacks.

I'm sorry to hear about your experiences how did you pay for the goods?

I generally pay via paypal for items, basically because its quick, I hate trying to find my cheque book and they take ages to clear... up until recently I had the money coming from my switch card... but since this last incident I decided to change to my credit card then I'm hoping if it ever happens again I can use mastercards/hsbc fraud team to bust some ass...

To my knowledge paypal dont offer any gurentee of giving you your money back, if the person is genuine then they can return your money easy... but if they just sign up for a new account and leave it empty your screwed... they just say their account is locked till they respond to them... which theres fat chance of them doing if it means coughing up £40 to me!

Originally posted by xafier
I generally pay via paypal for items, basically because its quick, I hate trying to find my cheque book and they take ages to clear... up until recently I had the money coming from my switch card... but since this last incident I decided to change to my credit card then I'm hoping if it ever happens again I can use mastercards/hsbc fraud team to bust some ass...

To my knowledge paypal dont offer any gurentee of giving you your money back, if the person is genuine then they can return your money easy... but if they just sign up for a new account and leave it empty your screwed... they just say their account is locked till they respond to them... which theres fat chance of them doing if it means coughing up £40 to me!

There are two ways to pay using paypal:

1) Cleared funds
2) Direct from your credit card.

With the latter it is simple, if you have been 'done' just complain to your card company and they will retrieve the money from paypal who will 'chargeback'.
With cleared funds (i.e. someone has paid into your paypal account and the payment is cleared and you leave it there) then you have to go through paypal. If you have followed all of paypals rules then there is usually no problem, they have similar policies to most credit cards and have an insurance, if you have not followed their rules then it is not so easy but then if you ignore their policies and choose to take a risk then why should they underwrite your gamble?

In the main, if you check feedback, check previous transactions, pay using credit card and follow guidelines then I think you are as safe as buying from anyone anywhere.

or theres money from a debit card to your account, which doesnt have the fraud security of a credit card... least not to my knowledge... maybe I should get in touch with my bank and see if they will hassle paypal for me?

as i said, i've switched my paypal account to take from my credit card now... but before it took money from my switch... I dont keep money in my paypal account often, it generally gets transfered to my account ASAP

personally I think you should have to sign up with a valid credit card, that way they have your real name and address... or just have some way so that the details they give are correct so you can bust their ass if they con you...


You cant sign up a selling account on Ebay without a valid credit or debit card. Numbers are all checked instantly to see if they are valid. However that does not seem to stop the conmen.....I guess they have box loads of stolen or 'scanned' cards.......

yea or debit card. I never consider that as an option so didn't list it. I would check to see if the seller was 'confirmed' or eligible for insurance and hassle everyone, the bank, paypal even eBay now that they own paypal. Don't just leave it is my advice.
As I said I am sorry to hear that you lost out - I wish they would adopt an Arab attitude and cut the thieving buggers hands off!

When you think about it Ebay has MILLIONS of customers in Countries all over the world.....how on earth could they manage all those sellers and run checks on everyone, and deal with even a small % of the fraud that goes on?

The system is too big now to maintain proper control. Back in the old days of EBay, say 5 years ago, things were far less likely to be dodgy. ANd the Ebay software, according to experts (well an IT friend of mine who spent time in the US) is riddled with security holes and totally insecure, as compared to say a banking website, so entering card details and personal data into EBay, which are NOT encrypted, invites the hacking experts!!

And dont forget the very convincing dodgy supposedly EBay and Paypal emails going about asking for passwords, credit card numbers, etc. Most people can tell these from the real thing but the system is so huge it is being exploited by the conmen big style....


LET THE BUYER BEWARE

I find eBay logic....err....illogical, let me explain.

I collect medals from WW2 both British & German and have had some good deals on eBay. I recently listed a number of German medals and so not to upset anybody I covered up all symbols of hate ( eBay's terms)Swastikas etc. After around 3 days they were all removed and I was suspended because somebody complained about my listings and claimed to be offended by an image that wasnt visible.

eBay told me it is against there rules to list items covered or not covered that contain the Swastika except if its a book,stamp or coin where you need make no effort to cover anything.

So in conclusion on eBay a giant Swastika in A4 size on the cover of a book has no effect on anybody, where as a small one on a medal causes mass panic , hysteria, offends everbody, corrupts small children and damages the very fabric of society. eBay only remove listings if someone complains to them, so in effect they allow third parties to tell them who they can do buisness with unless its a book, coin or stamp, then they ignore them.

Logic, but not as we know it Jim !!!!

Originally posted by Seadiver
After around 3 days they were all removed and I was suspended because somebody complained about my listings and claimed to be offended by an image that wasnt visible.

eBay told me it is against there rules to list items covered or not covered that contain the Swastika except if its a book,stamp or coin where you need make no effort to cover anything.

So in conclusion on eBay a giant Swastika in A4 size on the cover of a book has no effect on anybody, where as a small one on a medal causes mass panic , hysteria, offends everbody, corrupts small children and damages the very fabric of society. eBay only remove listings if someone complains to them, so in effect they allow third parties to tell them who they can do buisness with unless its a book, coin or stamp, then they ignore them.

Logic, but not as we know it Jim !!!!

What about a photograph of the medal, clearly showing that the image is from a book? you could always describe the condition of the actual item.

To answer the original question, received confirmation of my payment to attend yesterday.

Should be interesting, if not useful :)

Venger

What a good idea, I will try that and see what there response is.No doubt they will have some reason for still not allowing my listings, i think eBay arent that bothered what you advertise as long as they are getting your money.However for some reason they have this need for to allow busy bodies to run there buisness for them. About time they had a competitor me thinks!!