I have just come back from Asda on the parkway and i must admit i am disgusted at the state of the roads in Sheffield.
What does all our petrol tax, road tax, tax on the insurance ect ect actually get spent on, as its NOT on the upkeep of our road network :loopy: :loopy:

IF the SCC dont do something with the roads very soon a great majority will become unusable they have been neglected for far to long the roads in Sheffield are a disgrace

I travel all around the country and you can tell when your back in Sheffield due to the roads. But come on be fair they spend millions on roads in Sheffield, all the humps they put in, the road narrowing, one way systems and all the new Ballards closing roads. For example have you been around Pitsmoor just lately, what the heck is happening there.:confused: :hihi: :hihi: :huh:

IF the SCC dont do something with the roads very soon a great majority will become unusable they have been neglected for far to long the roads in Sheffield are a disgrace Thats why they are currently trying to secure a highways PFI for the city. If we don't get it we're buggered cos the funding is just not going to be available from anywhere else. And to be fair the majority of roads throughout the country are in the same condition.

They do seem to spend a lot on daft schemes putting in expensive bumps in the road. What is this idea of removing cut outs for busses so all the traffic is held up, or worse if someone speeds past into oncoming traffic.
Then no money seems to be available for the ordinary and essential road surface maintenance, so we have big potholes which are extremely dangerous.

They do seem to spend a lot on daft schemes putting in expensive bumps in the road. What is this idea of removing cut outs for busses so all the traffic is held up, or worse if someone speeds past into oncoming traffic.
Then no money seems to be available for the ordinary and essential road surface maintenance, so we have big potholes which are extremely dangerous. But in comparison to reconstructing a road these schemes are relatively cheap.

If you spot a pothole then report it.

What does all our petrol tax, road tax, tax on the insurance ect ect actually get spent on, as its NOT on the upkeep of our road network :loopy: :loopy:

It all goes to the Government, not to the Council.

The trouble is they then patch the pot hole and it is still as much as a rough ride. The roads are just shocking.

I have just come back from Asda on the parkway and i must admit i am disgusted at the state of the roads in Sheffield.
What does all our petrol tax, road tax, tax on the insurance ect ect actually get spent on, as its NOT on the upkeep of our road network :loopy: :loopy:

er......forgive me if im wrong.....but you dont pay that for the repairs on the roads :loopy:

Thats what your council tax is for :D

I have just come back from Asda on the parkway and i must admit i am disgusted at the state of the roads in Sheffield.
What does all our petrol tax, road tax, tax on the insurance ect ect actually get spent on, as its NOT on the upkeep of our road network :loopy: :loopy:

Totally agree. However, I read the other day that the stretch of the Parkway you mentioned (Handsworth to POW Road) is going to be dug up and resurfaced this summer. Not before time!

Totally agree. However, I read the other day that the stretch of the Parkway you mentioned (Handsworth to POW Road) is going to be dug up and resurfaced this summer. Not before time!

i drove down there today, not the worst bit of road i've driven on, but certainly could do with it

er......forgive me if im wrong.....but you dont pay that for the repairs on the roads :loopy:

Thats what your council tax is for :D

No the tax on your petrol was supposed to pay for roads, that was what it was introduced in the first place.
Thats why we in this country pay £22 BILLION a year in tax on fuel, and what does the goverment spepnd?? errr £6 BILLION???? yea rite, me thinks we are getting ripped off.
And council tax is to pay for council run services, not the infrastructure, thats the govermnents job :loopy:

No the tax on your petrol was supposed to pay for roads, that was what it was introduced in the first place.
Thats why we in this country pay £22 BILLION a year in tax on fuel, and what does the goverment spepnd?? errr £6 BILLION???? yea rite, me thinks we are getting ripped off.
And council tax is to pay for council run services, not the infrastructure, thats the govermnents job :loopy:

i always thought the roads and stuff were repaired and maintained by the council......

i always thought the roads and stuff were repaired and maintained by the council......


All road money comes from central government, i would LOVE my tax on fuel to go to the local council, least we could lobby them to get their ass's in gear.
And its true about the road calming loonies, on Blackstock road around where i live, they have decided to put in traffic calming :suspect: :suspect: errr you been on that road at 8 in the morning, its got a queue a mile long, now if thats not calming on the road then i don't know what is :huh: :huh:

But in comparison to reconstructing a road these schemes are relatively cheap.

If you spot a pothole then report it.

You are jesting?
I would have a full time job to do that in S5 alone.

I think the Highways & Lighting Budget is around 40 million a year:o for that they have to patch up the roads, replace & upgrade streetlights, grit the roads, etc etc. The poor sods:help:

if you dont report anything, how do you expect anything to get done?

if you dont report anything, how do you expect anything to get done?

It would be intresting to see how many people report items to streetforce each year, I wonder if there are any stats about:confused:

if you dont report anything, how do you expect anything to get done?

I expect the people who look after the roads to...


Look after the roads.
I am pretty sure that they don't just ensure that the road surface they check and make good is their way to and from work.

I could be wrong.

yeah sheffields roads are awfull, you go anywhere else and its like heaven!:rolleyes:

It would be intresting to see how many people report items to streetforce each year, I wonder if there are any stats about:confused:

All three I've reported in the last year have been filled in pretty promptly. Grafitti I've reported has been cleaned as well.

All three I've reported in the last year have been filled in pretty promptly. Grafitti I've reported has been cleaned as well.

Your right:thumbsup: Got to give the lads & lasses credit down @ Highways & Lighting, when you report things they get most things done quickly, but only if they have the cash to do them.

I have reported holes ,sometimes they have come, sometimes not.
Last winter the five holes in my road were repaired ( shame really as there were eight holes)
The repairs just don't seem to last, it looks to me that the holes are pretty much where they where before.
I know that I am a bit of a grumpy old man but someone has to do it.

By the way are there any posters on this thread with a road/council vested interest ?

yeah sheffields roads are awfull, you go anywhere else and its like heaven!:rolleyes:


I have been to many UK and other cities and the only roads worse than Sheffield where in Belize, a third world state at the time.

I have been to many UK and other cities and the only roads worse than Sheffield where in Belize, a third world state at the time.

The Old A625 at Man Tor ( Castleton ) is not far away:D

The worst "road" at the moment i can think of is the road through Valley Centertainment. (Bowling & Cinema)

It is slowly becoming more like a gravel drive every day.:rant:

The Old A625 at Man Tor ( Castleton ) is not far away:D


He we are Told You:D

www.art.man.ac.uk/Geog/fieldwork/images/a625.jpg

Well look what happened to my car driving round Higgor Tor

http://homepages.igrin.co.nz/moerewa/Pages/car%20over%20cliff.jpg

One seriously bad road is the one and only route to the ski village
Europes largest dry ski slope...
How bad is this for Shefffield ?
Well in my opinion it could not be any worse.
Does Sheffield want to be taken as part of a Great Britain or as some back water?

I have been to many UK and other cities and the only roads worse than Sheffield where in Belize, a third world state at the time.

The roads in Belgium were worse. You could tell where the German border was without needing a map.

I'm not that widely traveled in the uk, but the places I have been too recently have better b/c roads imho.

The worst "road" at the moment i can think of is the road through Valley Centertainment. (Bowling & Cinema)

It is slowly becoming more like a gravel drive every day.:rant:

That road through centertainment in privately owned, nothing to do with the council

That road through centertainment in privately owned, nothing to do with the council

If it is that bad maybe a phonecall to Heath & Saftey on West Street might be called for:D

That road through centertainment in privately owned, nothing to do with the council


How do you know things like this ?

I did ask before if we had a council/road type related person on here, could you be one ?

Thats why they are currently trying to secure a highways PFI for the city. If we don't get it we're buggered cos the funding is just not going to be available from anywhere else.

Please correct me if I am wrong, I am still not totally clear on how this PFI pans out.

Is it correct that this is NOT actually going to supply us with any extra grant (as I first assumed)?
The deal will just give us a facility that can be drawn down, but we will still be paying for all of it.

Is it not so that we will actually be paying out more, annually, for the PFI than we currently spend on highways at the moment?
... and this extra cost will only be met by cuts elswhere?


If this is correct, why don't we just make that budgetary adjustment anyway without allowing someone else to take a profit out of it?

How do you know things like this ?

I did ask before if we had a council/road type related person on here, could you be one ?

I thought it was fairly "common knowledge" that when private enterprise built something such as Centretainment that the developers where responsible for the maintenance of their own access roads - not exactly public highways are they?

Perhaps the same applies to the ski village.

IMHO it shouldn't be a priority for the council to provide roads to the door of private enterprises developed off the main highway (and ain't sure if it's a legal obligation).

I have been to many UK and other cities and the only roads worse than Sheffield where in Belize, a third world state at the time.

And I've been on the main drag from Leeds city centre to Headingley and encountered pot holes - and a number of side roads in Leeds that are still cobbled.

Get off the main arterial roads (and the better off suburbs) in most British cities - Liverpool, Manchester, Cardiff, Leeds visited in the last couple of months - and the situation is pretty similar. Last time I typed "pot hole city" into google the top city was Nottingham.

What does worry me is the state of the Parkway for the half mile or so going from town to the flyover by the big Asda - like driving on corrugated iron. That has got seriously worse in the last year and needs fixing PDQ - and is bound to cause all sorts of disruption - maybe a job for August??

Longcol;Last time I typed "pot hole city" into google the top city was Nottingham.


What:o There is something wrong there:confused:

What does worry me is the state of the Parkway for the half mile or so going from town to the flyover by the big Asda - like driving on corrugated iron. That has got seriously worse in the last year and needs fixing PDQ - and is bound to cause all sorts of disruption - maybe a job for August??

According to my souce @ Highways & Lighting this strech of road has sufferd from tarmac failure:D

Everyone, You must visit this site below and put forward Sheffield's Case:thumbsup:


http://www.weeklygripe.co.uk/a89.asp

I have just come back from Asda on the parkway and i must admit i am disgusted at the state of the roads in Sheffield.
What does all our petrol tax, road tax, tax on the insurance ect ect actually get spent on, as its NOT on the upkeep of our road network :loopy: :loopy:

To be fair, those are all taxes which go to central government. It's local government that is tasked with maintaining local roads and it's ignored it's responsibility for 20 years now.

Thats why they are currently trying to secure a highways PFI for the city. If we don't get it we're buggered cos the funding is just not going to be available from anywhere else. And to be fair the majority of roads throughout the country are in the same condition.

They've been turned down haven't they?

And they aren't, sheffield is by far the worst place i've ever driven.

At least if they start charging us per mile to drive then every mile will be perfect, smooth tarmac, probably with pretty wildflowers planted up the side.
What? you don't think so? surely they wouldn't take that money and use it for some other pointless government project/olympic village/dome structure?!!!!:hihi:

At least if they start charging us per mile to drive then every mile will be perfect, smooth tarmac, probably with pretty wildflowers planted up the side.
What? you don't think so? surely they wouldn't take that money and use it for some other pointless government project/olympic village/dome structure?!!!!:hihi:

Implementing and running a road charging/congeston charging scheme will cost a lot of money which will have to be recovered from the charging revenues. I believe the govt. are saying that any eventual profit should be used to improve public transport, but that may not be their real intention. :rolleyes:

The PFI approach is just a red herring in my view unless there is to be a massive injection of govt. money into the scheme. Privatising Streetforce and expecting a private company to give a better service and make a profit within existing budgetary constraints is a recipe for disaster.

er......forgive me if im wrong.....but you dont pay that for the repairs on the roads :loopy:

Thats what your council tax is for :D

Road tax was originally called the Road Fund Licence and the payment was supposed to be for the upkeep of the roads. The last I heard a couple of years ago, only 2% of the revenue from car tax actually goes on the roads.

I'm not sure if it's still referred to as the Road Fund Licence.

Saying that, income tax was supposed to be a temporary tax to pay for the Napoleonic War!

I thought it was fairly "common knowledge" that when private enterprise built something such as Centretainment that the developers where responsible for the maintenance of their own access roads - not exactly public highways are they?

Perhaps the same applies to the ski village.

IMHO it shouldn't be a priority for the council to provide roads to the door of private enterprises developed off the main highway (and ain't sure if it's a legal obligation).

You may be right, but why is it common knowledge?
The ski village was about to invest heavily, which would have been good for Sheffield/profile /enterprise/ improved infra structure, but apparently they have pulled out due to the council's dithering.

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The ski village was about to invest heavily, which would have been good for Sheffield/profile /enterprise/ improved infra structure, but apparently they have pulled out due to the council's dithering.[/QUOTE]

Not exactly dithering, the developer was linking development of the ski village to gaining consent to build housing on a site at Claywheels Lane which is earmarked for industrial uses in Sheffield's development plan. Gaining that permission would no doubt have made the developer a substantial profit, as housing land is worth more than industrial land. Clearly they wanted to use that profit to finanace the plans for the ski village. The developer had already received planning approval for the development at the ski village I believe.

Therefore not dithering, more like sticking to the stated policies and not giving in to unreasonable pressure?

The worse the roads get, the less people will be inclined to drive on them, thus reducing congestion and fuel emissions and making a better, cleaner city for us all!

I think the Highways & Lighting Budget is around 40 million a year:o for that they have to patch up the roads, replace & upgrade streetlights, grit the roads, etc etc. The poor sods:help:I think you'll find the revenue budget its around half that figure
Please correct me if I am wrong, I am still not totally clear on how this PFI pans out.
The highway network is badly in need of a major cash injection to make some extensive repairs and renewals and bring it up to the standards that the public rightly expects. This would take tens of £millions, if not hundreds of £millions! This would bring the roads and footways up to the required standard. After that they would need to maintain those standards in subsequent years.

The PFI is a funding mechanism that uses private money to fund construction and maintenance projects in the public sector. It is a way of bringing together private sector money and government grants to improve public sector services and could provide £millions of revenue funding each year.

The Council needs to satisfy the Government that the PFI contract provides an effective transfer of risk in the project from the Council to the PFI contractor. In practical terms this will mean that the PFI contractor will be responsible for bringing the whole of the network up to standard and then maintaining it in that condition for the term of the 25 year contract.
They've been turned down haven't they?
I don't think an official announcement has been made yet. But I believe its looking favourable for Sheffield.The PFI approach is just a red herring in my view unless there is to be a massive injection of govt. money into the scheme. Privatising Streetforce and expecting a private company to give a better service and make a profit within existing budgetary constraints is a recipe for disaster. Thats not the way a PFI works. The whole point of the PFI system is to get the injection of cash and not having to work within the current funding constraints.

Oddly enough I drove down Parkway for the first time in many months on saturday and I was shocked at how wobbly it had got, like driving on jelly trifle!

Further up there was a new unpleasant bit, too, near Big W - I suppose a lot of people must have got used to it as most people were topping 80 but I found it a bit alarming and there was no way I was going anywhere near breaking the speed limit on that surface!

So they're still hoping for a big government grant, when just recently they were rated quite lowly in a government report on their transport plan and lost out on extra money which a good plan would have gained them.

...This would take tens of £millions, if not hundreds of £millions!

........... government grants


Do you know if any Government Grant will actually be forthcoming?
... or merely an advance/guarantee that Sheffield has to repay in its annual payments.


............. and could provide £millions of revenue funding each year.


Sorry. I don't understand this.
Do you just mean that Sheffield will be paying annual millions to the PFI?


The whole point of the PFI system is .... not having to work within the current funding constraints.

This, I think I understand.
Without the PFI, we would not be allowed to increase our total spend on Highways?

It still does not change the fact that a proportion of our spend will go out in profit and unless there are considerable savings through efficiency, we are going to get less road for our money.


There are cheaper sources of funding for major projects than PFI.
PFI's, however, allow Golden Brown to finance public sector projects without borrowing which would expose the failure of his forecasts and current economics.

I think you'll find the revenue budget its around half that figure


Oh my God:o The Figure of 40 Million was what I was given on a offical visit to Olive Grove Depot ( Streetforce ) 5 years ago:help:

Not exactly dithering, the developer was linking development of the ski village to gaining consent to build housing on a site at Claywheels Lane which is earmarked for industrial uses in Sheffield's development plan. Gaining that permission would no doubt have made the developer a substantial profit, as housing land is worth more than industrial land. Clearly they wanted to use that profit to finanace the plans for the ski village. The developer had already received planning approval for the development at the ski village I believe.

Therefore not dithering, more like sticking to the stated policies and not giving in to unreasonable pressure?

Sticking to stated policies as you will, may not always be the best way for a city to have a vision for future prosperity. Working with the private sector could be one way forward.
I don't know all the facts on this one though so I will shut up now.
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The PFI is a funding mechanism that uses private money to fund construction and maintenance projects in the public sector. It is a way of bringing together private sector money and government grants to improve public sector services and could provide £millions of revenue funding each year.


The PFI is a Tory designed scheme to keep major public spending out of the public borrowing requirement, essentially running public services on privately financed hire-purchase. This in spite of the fact that the govt. can borrow money at a cheaper rate than private financiers. A bit like buying your house via a credit card company rather than a building society.

This private finance has to show a return somewhere down the line and you need look no further than public transport to see the effect this has on levels of customer satisfaction.

It's all just smoke and mirrors, -or as the national audit office described the value for money test used to justify PFI projects- "pseudo-scientific mumbo jumbo".

In any case the letter I had from the council suggested that even if the PFI bid were successful it wouldn't take effect until after 2010 by which time some of the roads where I live will have crumbled to cart tracks.

So they're still hoping for a big government grant, when just recently they were rated quite lowly in a government report on their transport plan and lost out on extra money which a good plan would have gained them.As I understand it central government have a pot of money which is given out in the form of credits to whichever private contractor wins a PFI. Private companies are allowed to borrow monies whereas local governments aren't. The contractor is then responsible for the renewal and maintenance of the highway network for 25 years, thus removing any risk from the council. Obviously there is some profit element in it for the contractor otherwise they wouldn't bother but without a huge cash injection we'll be left with poorly maintained roads until hell freezes over.

Oh my God:o The Figure of 40 Million was what I was given on a offical visit to Olive Grove Depot ( Streetforce ) 5 years ago:help: That might be their total turnover but the revenue (maintenance) element is around £23million.
In any case the letter I had from the council suggested that even if the PFI bid were successful it wouldn't take effect until after 2010 by which time some of the roads where I live will have crumbled to cart tracks.Better late than never though? Without the PFI things will get worse as far as I can see.

40 Million might be their total turnover but the revenue (maintenance) element is around £23million.

:o You can't do much with that, it will cost around that to replace Woodseats Road Bridge:help:

I wonder in par with other city's of our size if we get a fair deal in what Highways & Lighting get each year:confused:

Anyone out there from H&L who can answer:confused:

Wisewood Lane! absolutely shocking conditions! and there's another HUGE hole increasing in size daily...you have to drive on the opposite side of the road to avoid it!

To be fair, generally Sheffield is pretty down there with the worst roads in any UK city I've ever driven in

Wisewood Lane! absolutely shocking conditions! and there's another HUGE hole increasing in size daily...you have to drive on the opposite side of the road to avoid it!
Have you reported it to Street Force? If they know about it they're obliged to repair it. :thumbsup:

I drive about the country a lot and Sheffield has the worst roads i've ever been on.

Some on the potholes are massive...i bet they'd laugh if you put a claim in based on the fact that your suspension was damaded asa result of driving round Sheffield, but it isn't as silly as it sounds!

The worse the roads get, the less people will be inclined to drive on them, thus reducing congestion and fuel emissions and making a better, cleaner city for us all!

I think people would go out and buy one of these:D

http://www.publiquip.com/photo/JCB-3CX-Backhoe-K.jpg

Wisewood Lane! absolutely shocking conditions! and there's another HUGE hole increasing in size daily...you have to drive on the opposite side of the road to avoid it!

Try this link Hayley1:D

http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/roads-and-transport/maintenance/contact-street-force

the state of the roads in sheffield appear to be part of the post code lottery currently afflicting the health service.

have just come down through the bents green area, seems their roads are more important than others as there are teams of council workmen replacing miles of kerbing,numerous other workmen and associated diggers and tarmac layers replacing acres of road & driveways etc

wonder if the rest of the city will get similar treatment, some how i doubt it ,the cash will run out when it comes to repaving the supposed lesser areas of our fair city.

have just come down through the bents green area, seems their roads are more important than others as there are teams of council workmen replacing miles of kerbing,numerous other workmen and associated diggers and tarmac layers replacing acres of road & driveways etc

wonder if the rest of the city will get similar treatment, some how i doubt it ,the cash will run out when it comes to repaving the supposed lesser areas of our fair city.

You must be on about Ecclesall Road South, if you had only driven down it a few months ago you would see why they are improving it:D

As for where the Highways money is spent, it is a fact that the roads in the West of the city are worse than the east, this is nothing to do with the area but the fact of the roads in the West are nearer the Pennines and so are subject to the elements more:D

i bet they'd laugh if you put a claim in based on the fact that your suspension was damaded asa result of driving round Sheffield, but it isn't as silly as it sounds!
Why would they laugh? :huh: I'm sure they would deal with any claims the same as any other authority would if you could prove negligence on their part.

I have just come back from Asda on the parkway and i must admit i am disgusted at the state of the roads in Sheffield.
What does all our petrol tax, road tax, tax on the insurance ect ect actually get spent on, as its NOT on the upkeep of our road network :loopy: :loopy:

car tax petrol tax spent on them that do not work that have better car .
then me

You must be on about Ecclesall Road South, if you had only driven down it a few months ago you would see why they are improving it:D

As for where the Highways money is spent, it is a fact that the roads in the West of the city are worse than the east, this is nothing to do with the area but the fact of the roads in the West are nearer the Pennines and so are subject to the elements more:D

i drive for a living so get to cross the city, north south east and west, try driving down carlise st,or rutland road,bradfield road,even parts of prince of wales road or harborough avenue, these are just a few of the roads i could mention which are in desperate need or resurface work, but alas fall into the wrong post code areas, in my veiw its got nothing to do with the weather more like how many councillors live in an area or regularly drive down a particular road, or how many chelsea tractors frequent a particular neighbourhood.

as always the more affluent areas attract the greater ammount of funding than the lower end of the market as these areas are where those doling out the funds and the lucrative contracts reside themselves so of course their going to sort out their own backyards first.

Why would they laugh? :huh: I'm sure they would deal with any claims the same as any other authority would if you could prove negligence on their part.

they would probebly get round it the same way rotherham council recently did when a rotherham driver made just such a claim.

he was told that under government legislation they would not be upholding his claim as thay had complied with government guidelines and the stretch of road he claimed damaged his car had under gone the required monthly inspection and was found to be in satisfactory condition.

result = one damaged car to be repaired at owners cost:loopy:

i drive for a living so get to cross the city, north south east and west, try driving down carlise st,or rutland road,bradfield road,even parts of prince of wales road or harborough avenue, these are just a few of the roads i could mention which are in desperate need or resurface work.

Please report it then Madcow the link below will help:D

http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/roads-and-transport/maintenance/contact-street-force


In my veiw its got nothing to do with the weather more like how many councillors live in an area or regularly drive down a particular road.
as always the more affluent areas attract the greater ammount of funding than the lower end of the market as these areas are where those doling out the funds and the lucrative contracts reside themselves so of course their going to sort out their own backyards first.

Got to argue with you there, we have 1 Lib-Dem & 2 Con councillors in S17, do you think a Labour council is going to give them any money for road improvments:rant:

As I have said before the only way forward is for the Highways & Lighting department ( Streetforce ) to become independent and just let them get on with what roads they think need to be done with the crap budget they get:help:

Got to argue with you there, we have 1 Lib-Dem & 2 Con councillors in S17, do you think a Labour council is going to give them any money for road improvments:rant:

As I have said before the only way forward is for the Highways & Lighting department ( Streetforce ) to become independent and just let them get on with what roads they think need to be done with the crap budget they get:help:

Road maintenance takes place in all parts of the city - check out last years programmed maintenance on the pagee at the link below (you'll need excel or compatible spreadsheet).


http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/roads-and-transport/maintenance/streetscene-programmed-maintenance

they would probebly get round it the same way rotherham council recently did when a rotherham driver made just such a claim.

he was told that under government legislation they would not be upholding his claim as thay had complied with government guidelines and the stretch of road he claimed damaged his car had under gone the required monthly inspection and was found to be in satisfactory condition.

If they meet their obligations what else do you expect them to do? Just fork out for repairs to vehicles every time someone claims it has been damaged due to the roads

If everyone rang up Streetforce to report the potholes they see, it would jam the phone lines with the overload of calls!!

Sheffields roads are by FAR the worst I have ever driven on. Patching potholes is such a short sighted way of fixing roads that clearly can only be properly repaired with full resurfacing.
But the council, in their wisdom, have made the prospect of resurfacing more difficult by having bloody road humps everywhere, even if they could afford to do the work!
I recently saw a documentary about the road monitoring in some other city. They stated on this program that councils have the right to call the contractors back in to fix shoddy road repair work within two years of the original road works. So if a gas utility company digs up a road and then fills it in, and withing 18 months the tarmac has sunk, the council can call them back in to sort it out properly.
I wonder if this council can, or do use such a process? I have certainly never seen any of the rotten roadwork repairs get any better as time goes by, they just get worse.

Its a scandal that a city the size of Sheffield has roads comparable to third world countries. Heres a test - the next time you see some place like Baghdad on TV, look at the roads. Very seldom do you see roads as bad as we have here. It makes me sick.

If they meet their obligations what else do you expect them to do? Just fork out for repairs to vehicles every time someone claims it has been damaged due to the roads


If we all claimed against Streetforce they would be bust by the end of the week:gag:

If we all claimed against Streetforce they would be bust by the end of the week:gag: Only if we won our claims.

Patching potholes is such a short sighted way of fixing roads that clearly can only be properly repaired with full resurfacing.
I'm sure the Council would agree with this but what is the alternative when funds aren't available to resurface/reconstruct a road?

I'm sure the Council would agree with this but what is the alternative when funds aren't available to resurface/reconstruct a road?

In my view, they should do this: when a road is patched after a hole has been dug, the contractor should have to resurface the full width of the road that the hole has been dug on, in the area of the hole only. From kerb to kerb. Not just a local refill and a spade full of tarmac, because this sinks after a few weeks, especially if it falls within the wheel tracks of vehicles. So they dig a two foot long hole - they patch the road for say 5 feet, full road width. This would also look MUCH tidier too, even if it costs the contractors more.

I wonder how much power the council has over the utility companies that dig up our roads? Could they say to them that unless they do a more comprehensive repair job after the hole has been filled in, then they aren't digging up the roads at all?

They could also network more, to find out which companies intends to dig the roads up and when, that way they could get the work done back to back, minimise disruption, cut costs and create a better repair if they got their acts together.

But I suppose that kind of common sense is too much to ask, isn't it?

I'm sure the Council would agree with this but what is the alternative when funds aren't available to resurface/reconstruct a road?

A lot of money that could be spent on repairing the roads are wasted somewhere else, Woodseats traffic scheme come's straight to mind:rant:

A lot of money that could be spent on repairing the roads are wasted somewhere else, Woodseats traffic scheme come's straight to mind:rant:

Hear hear.

And also, a seemingly ridiculous addiction to traffic lights where none are needed!! There are so many left turns from crossroads that have their own lights that are totally unneccesary. A stop sign would be perfectly fine, but no, you have to sit there for absolutely no reason when you can see no traffic approaching from the right for long distances.

Broadfield Road is a good example. You go past the Broadfield pub on your left, driving down Abbeydale Road. Cross the junction and get in the right hand lane to turn down onto Broadfield Road, by the Abbeydale Picture House. You have to sit there waiting for a green light to cross the other side of Abbeydale Road. Pointless. You can see way ahead, no need to wait. Anyway, green light, drive down the little hill 50 metres, to another set of lights, now red. You want to go left, not ahead. You have your own light, even though you can see all around you. Pointless. Then when you get to the other end of Broadfield Road, I think there could be an argument for having the left turn onto Chesterfield Road as part time rush hour lights.

Its all little crap delays like these that make driving around this city so annoying and long winded. Assuming of course you make it to each set of lights without swerving into the path of another vehicle because of pothole avoidance, or smashing your tyres off on some raised manhole cover!!!:rant:

In my view, they should do this: when a road is patched after a hole has been dug, the contractor should have to resurface the full width of the road that the hole has been dug on, in the area of the hole only. From kerb to kerb. Not just a local refill and a spade full of tarmac, because this sinks after a few weeks, especially if it falls within the wheel tracks of vehicles. So they dig a two foot long hole - they patch the road for say 5 feet, full road width. This would also look MUCH tidier too, even if it costs the contractors more.

I wonder how much power the council has over the utility companies that dig up our roads? Could they say to them that unless they do a more comprehensive repair job after the hole has been filled in, then they aren't digging up the roads at all?

They could also network more, to find out which companies intends to dig the roads up and when, that way they could get the work done back to back, minimise disruption, cut costs and create a better repair if they got their acts together.

But I suppose that kind of common sense is too much to ask, isn't it?

There is a legal framework which dictates what utility companies can and can't do in the road as well as the standard of trench reinstatements. The Council can't ask for more than the legal equirement. They already do co-ordinate as much as possible.

The utility companies (and there are many of them - lots of telecoms) have a legal right to bury their plant in the highway and all they have to do is give the required amount of notice (which varies depending on the nature of the road). On many roads they can just turn up and start digging, as long as they notify the Council that they're there. Often it's suspected that these companies categorise their works as "emergency" to get around the necessaary notice periods.

A new Traffic Management Act will be coming into force in the not too distant future, which should give the Council greater powers over roadworks. The Government are consulting on it now.

A lot of money that could be spent on repairing the roads are wasted somewhere else, Woodseats traffic scheme come's straight to mind:rant:

The budgets for new schemes and for maintenance are completely separate. It's often the case that there is money to build things, but never enough to maintain them.

Got to argue with you there, we have 1 Lib-Dem & 2 Con councillors in S17, do you think a Labour council is going to give them any money for road improvments:rant:
:

So how do you explain that millions have been spent on highway schemes in S10, which has Lib Dem Councillors?

Requests for highway schemes are evaluated and prioritised by the Council via a transparent and objective assessment process, which scores the request against the objectives of the Local Transport Plan. Highest scoring requests are dealt with as soon as funding becomes available.

Thanks for that Planner1. Its interesting that new legislation may be coming into force that may help the situation. I cant understand why the utility companies have so much power to do what they want, pretty much when they want. Surely the power should be in the hands of the council involved? After all, the roads that are being shoddily reinstated by some of these repair gangs belong to us, not them.
Seems to me that the council tax payers are paying for their bad work. I think that most potholes start out as bad road repairs after work has been done beneath the surface.
I have mentioned Woodseats Road before in previous discussions on this subject. That road is a prime example of a surface littered with patches, all of which create a totally uneven surface, dotted with holes. I think its only a matter of time before someone is killed on that road. Its a combination of steep hill, faster cars coming down it, buses squeezing up it, cars parked on both sides, blind side road exits because of said cars, and people trying to avoid the holes in the road. You have to look at the holes just in front of your car so much, that you miss the longer view ahead that you should be looking at.

So how do you explain that millions have been spent on highway schemes in S10, which has Lib Dem Councillors?

Requests for highway schemes are evaluated and prioritised by the Council via a transparent and objective assessment process, which scores the request against the objectives of the Local Transport Plan. Highest scoring requests are dealt with as soon as funding becomes available.

It seems to me that its almost a deliberate policy to keep the roads in poor condition - it saves a lot of money and also keeps speeds down. You can't drive above about 20mph along Psalter Lane near the Stag pub - the number of patched repairs is quite funny if you take a look at it. I'm so fed up with shaking my teeth out that I'm considering changing my car to a much bigger one with nice soft suspension. I would not be surprised if thats one of the reasons people go for the big 4x4s. I'd happily drive a Smart car if the road surface was smooth.

I am thinking of getting a motorbike soon, to avoid the traffic and make parking at work easier. I have to honestly say that the state of the roads makes me think twice about it. Some of the holes could easily bring a biker down.

It seems to me that its almost a deliberate policy to keep the roads in poor condition - it saves a lot of money and also keeps speeds down. You can't drive above about 20mph along Psalter Lane near the Stag pub - the number of patched repairs is quite funny if you take a look at it. I'm so fed up with shaking my teeth out that I'm considering changing my car to a much bigger one with nice soft suspension. I would not be surprised if thats one of the reasons people go for the big 4x4s. I'd happily drive a Smart car if the road surface was smooth.

Ever since they took over responsibility for road maintenance in 1986, the Council have consistently significantly under-funded this activity, compared to Central Government guidelines. The trouble is that there is never enough money to do everything that is required, so prioritisation has to take place. Over the years, road maintenance hasn't had a particularly high priority. 20 years of under - funding will be very difficult to correct. It's the same story to a greater or lesser degree in many Local Authorities across the Country.

Thank you for the links, I have now contacted them
:D

Why would they laugh? :huh: I'm sure they would deal with any claims the same as any other authority would if you could prove negligence on their part.

Hmmm.

It would be interesting to se if even one single person had been successful in a claim against a council for damage to their car because of the poor roads.

Sheffield Council is fast becoming a complete embarrassment.

Hmmm.

It would be interesting to se if even one single person had been successful in a claim against a council for damage to their car because of the poor roads.



I am 99% certain that I read about one during the last year or so against either Sheffield or Rotherham Council.

The important element is that there is an accepted depth of hole that indicates that the regular procedure of inspection must have been missed.

For example:
... if they are supposed to inspect every stretch of road (say) every 6 months, the maximum depth of hole that can arise in between inspections is (say) 4".

So if you hit a hole of 4" ... hard luck.
But if you hit a hole of 6", you should have a claim.
... If you get out there with your camera and measuring device before they can fill it in!

I don't know what the exact depths/timings are ... but the guidelines do exist.

Sorry, but i cant stress how crap the roads are in sheffield!!!!

Sorry, but i cant stress how crap the roads are in sheffield!!!!


Get some work done skiver :hihi:

It would be interesting to se if even one single person had been successful in a claim against a council for damage to their car because of the poor roads. Oh I think they'll have had to make a few payouts.

Sheffield Council is fast becoming a complete embarrassment. Strange statement from someone living in Maidenhead? If you lived here you could show your feelings by voting in the local elections. Unless you're one of the bellyaching type that complains but can't be arsed to turn out and vote. :)

The budgets for new schemes and for maintenance are completely separate. It's often the case that there is money to build things, but never enough to maintain them.

That Silly then, does that mean Highways & Lighting will have no extra money to repair the new section of Ring Road when that get worn out soon?

[QUOTE]Got to argue with you there, we have 1 Lib-Dem & 2 Con councillors in S17, do you think a Labour council is going to give them any money for road improvments:rant: [QUOTE]

sorry but i have little or no trust in politicians ,local or national, labour,liberal, conservative, or what ever.
seems to me they all p^** in the same pot once elected, so the answer in my veiw ,would be yes they probably would.
i only turn out to vote as it would be an insult to our fore-bears ,who fought for our right to vote, not to do so.:rant: :rant:

The roads in sheffield are disgusting. Its worse for people with sports stiff suspension as you hit a massive pot-hole every two seconds and it feels like your suspension is going to snap.

That Silly then, does that mean Highways & Lighting will have no extra money to repair the new section of Ring Road when that get worn out soon?

Look at the rest of the road network, what makes you think it's going to be any different on the Inner Ring Road!

Just going back a few pages the PFI has been accepted for the Lighting and lit signs ( was due to start 2008 ) but has been put on hold until they decide on the highway PFI this will be decided later this year, it will no doubt go to the cheapest bidder
ps street force is no more it changed back to sheffield city council

Look at the rest of the road network, what makes you think it's going to be any different on the Inner Ring Road!

Because that new bit will probably be the most busyest section of road in Sheffield, Give it a few years and the potholes will be there:D

Dunno if anyone else has posted this link yet but there was an interesting programme on BBC a few weeks back re: potholes - programme featured Sheffield and Leeds, among others
http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/yorkslincs/series11/week1_potholes.shtml

Update on pothole on Wisewood Lane:
I can't imagine that I was the only person to complain, but within 24hrs of my email, the pothole in Wisewood Lane has been 'filled' in :D

The condition of the roads is generally very poor.

Old roads are full of potholes and the new roads don't deal with rain and water drainage very well.

Oh I think they'll have had to make a few payouts.

Strange statement from someone living in Maidenhead? If you lived here you could show your feelings by voting in the local elections. Unless you're one of the bellyaching type that complains but can't be arsed to turn out and vote. :)

Not really a strange statement... I was brought up in Sheffield, moved away in 2000 for work and am back up every other weekend. So although this does not qualify me to vote in local elections, it does mean I am more than able to comment on the state of the place and how the elected council runs the place in a shambolic fashion.

Ever since they took over responsibility for road maintenance in 1986, the Council have consistently significantly under-funded this activity, compared to Central Government guidelines. The trouble is that there is never enough money to do everything that is required, so prioritisation has to take place. Over the years, road maintenance hasn't had a particularly high priority. 20 years of under - funding will be very difficult to correct. It's the same story to a greater or lesser degree in many Local Authorities across the Country.

I wondered why there haven't been any working street lights in my road for the entire winter....run out of money I take it. They worked on that one night we had snow and thats it since about March 06.

I wondered why there haven't been any working street lights in my road for the entire winter....run out of money I take it. They worked on that one night we had snow and thats it since about March 06.

If they're all out, it's probably a fault with the electricity supply and down to YE, who take their own sweet time to get round to fixing stuff!

and how the elected council runs the place in a shambolic fashion.
Maybe you should be having a go at the general public and not the Council in that case? :suspect:

I wondered why there haven't been any working street lights in my road for the entire winter....run out of money I take it. They worked on that one night we had snow and thats it since about March 06.

You should find out who the supplier is and contact them. I used to have a job where we were wired in to these systems for our electric supply, with their agreement, and when it failed we got straight onto them.

If they say " It's not us : it's the council." get it in writing from them and then demand elimination of the problem from the council. If they say : "It's not us , it's the supplier." Get it in writing from them.

Then you have sufficient 'traction' to force correction of the problem through the law.:)

i got a flat tyre after dropping down one of the many pot holes that we have to circumnavigate! that Pi ss ed me off so i wrote the council a letter. their response was that unless the hole had a 20mm vertical drop they didn't need to do anything cos theres some stupid legislation out there somewhere to say they don't have too!!!! AAAaaaaarrrgghhh!! apparently the council are applying for some european grant to pay for new roads! :rant:

20mm is 2 cm, if a pothole caused a flat then it almost certainly has more than a 2cm drop.

And on another thread someone is asking why there are so many 4x4s in Sheffield, Isn't it obvious, they are the only vehicles built to withstand driving on such appaling surfaces. Nice one Sheffield Council !

Maybe you should be having a go at the general public and not the Council in that case? :suspect:

I don't think thats the way Government / Democracy works is it Foot?

I don't think thats the way Government / Democracy works is it Foot?Yes it is. If the public aren't happy with how the Council operates then vote out the party running the show and let the others have a go. :thumbsup:

Yes it is. If the public aren't happy with how the Council operates then vote out the party running the show and let the others have a go. :thumbsup:

You were suggesting i should hold the public responsible for the state of the roads!

Your comments just emphasise the level of apathy within the council...the Labour majority will be hard to defeat in Sheffield so you’re safe and don't care if you run the place a bit shabbily!

You were suggesting i should hold the public responsible for the state of the roads!I was suggesting that in general the public don't think the council are so bad. Otherwise why do they keep getting voted in? At the end of the day if you haven't got enough funds you can't do a decent job.

Your comments just emphasise the level of apathy within the council...the Labour majority will be hard to defeat in Sheffield so you’re safe and don't care if you run the place a bit shabbily! Sorry? Who said I work for the council? :huh:

Your comments just emphasise the level of apathy within the council...the Labour majority will be hard to defeat in Sheffield so you’re safe and don't care if you run the place a bit shabbily!

Some people have short memories. The Lib Dems were in power a couple of years ago and could be again.

Some people have short memories. The Lib Dems were in power a couple of years ago and could be again.

I hardly think the brief 3 year period the Lib Dems were in power coincides with the time most of the roads in sheffield became poor.

Political Control
Labour 1973 - 1999
Liberal Democrats 1999 - 2002
No overall control 2002 - 2003
Labour 2003 -

Leaders
David Blunkett (Labour, 1980-1987)
Clive Betts (Labour, 1987-1992)
Mike Bower (Labour, -1997)
Jan Wilson (Labour, 1997-1999)
Peter Moore (Lib Dem, 1999-2002)
Jan Wilson (Labour, 2002-)

If they're all out, it's probably a fault with the electricity supply and down to YE, who take their own sweet time to get round to fixing stuff!

So not the councils fault?

I hardly think the brief 3 year period the Lib Dems were in power coincides with the time most of the roads in sheffield became poor.

Political Control
Labour 1973 - 1999
Liberal Democrats 1999 - 2002
No overall control 2002 - 2003
Labour 2003 -


My point was that your statement that the Labour majority is hard to defeat just doesn't hold water. They were defeated a few years ago and could be again.

My point was that your statement that the Labour majority is hard to defeat just doesn't hold water. They were defeated a few years ago and could be again.
It would appear over a long period that that isn't what the majority want though. Despite complaining about the Labour controlled Council we keep voting em back in time amd time again.

We were only complaining today about the amount of pot holes on Warminster Rd S8. and then I found this thread. The council come along every 6 months of so, spray yellow paint around the pot holes and then when they have a bit of tarmac left over from a job they drive along and fill them in. Instead of doing the whole job properly to last years they seem to prefer doing this every so often. 'Tis tru when you drive through other counties their roads always seem better. ~Is it our council that just dont care? I would love them to tell me where my council tax is spent, certainly not on road repairs, I dont have kids so dont need schools, so yep , paying quite alot to have my bins emptied. Going off the thread now.

It would appear over a long period that that isn't what the majority want though. Despite complaining about the Labour controlled Council we keep voting em back in time amd time again.


alas this is indicative of the sheep like mentality of the voting public,
my dad voted labour,my dads dad, voted labour my dads dads dad voted labour so i vote labour.
no thought given to the result of this approach and even less consideration given to the alternative parties.

hence our current anti-car labour council and the resultant c*^p roads we have to use, unless of course you happen to live in one of the more affluent suburubs who seem to get their little bits of highway replaced and not just potholes filled in hap-hazzardly

....and the resultant c*^p roads we have to use, unless of course you happen to live in one of the more affluent suburubs who seem to get their little bits of highway replaced and not just potholes filled in hap-hazzardly

Ahhh those well know affluent suburbs where the roads are paved with gold...

...where are they in Sheffield again?

If I read the comments from certain people correctly in The Star it's the "poor" areas that get more money spent on them by this council...

...somebody's talking out of a rear orifice, and it's not my place to say who...

...:suspect:

So not the councils fault?

No it isn't. There are many instances where the Council have reported faults to YE, who take an absolute age to correct them. Nothing the Council can do about it.

Ahhh those well know affluent suburbs where the roads are paved with gold...

...where are they in Sheffield again?

...:suspect:


Ecclesall Road South from Knowle Lane continuing out of town!

That road was fine and has now been completely relaid :loopy:

Ecclesall Road South from Knowle Lane continuing out of town!

That road was fine and has now been completely relaid :loopy: I think you'll find it was in pretty poor condition for one of the main arterial routes in and out of the city.

I think you'll find it was in pretty poor condition for one of the main arterial routes in and out of the city.

Balderdash!

There are far worse on many busier streatches of road in Sheffield!

DfT – Road Traffic Flows for UK road netework:
http://www.dft-matrix.net/default.aspx

Ahhh those well know affluent suburbs where the roads are paved with gold...

...where are they in Sheffield again?

If I read the comments from certain people correctly in The Star it's the "poor" areas that get more money spent on them by this council...

...somebody's talking out of a rear orifice, and it's not my place to say who...

...:suspect:

for my sins i live in one of your "poor" areas,and i can tell you for sure ,we don't get new roads round here or much of anything else really. and definitely little or no financial support.

so orifice rear out of talking, rearrange the words and to para-quote our national lottery " it could be you"

For anyone who is interested, this is the email I received yesterday (2-3-07) following prompt filling in of previously whined about pothole. I'd like to thank all those involved in helping me. :thumbsup:




Thank you for your feedback form dated 23 February 2007 regarding the
above.

Repairs to the pothole have been completed as a matter of urgency.

The remainder of the road may still be uneven and unsightly but
unfortunately, due to the limitations of the available highway
maintenance
budget, it is not possible to carry out further repairs at this moment
in
time.

In relation to the general condition of the highway network, you may be
aware that the Council submitted an Expression of Interest to the
Department
of Transport in order to pursue a Private Finance Initiative (PFI)
scheme
for highway maintenance across the entire road network in the city.

If successful, the PFI would commence in 2009/10 and secure sufficient
investment to bring all roads and footways up to a good standard within
10
years.

I am sorry I can't provide a complete solution to the issues you have
raised
at present but hope you find the proposed action satisfactory and the
information about the proposed Highway PFI helpful.


Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but I thought it might be of some interest.

for my sins i live in one of your "poor" areas,and i can tell you for sure ,we don't get new roads round here or much of anything else really. and definitely little or no financial support.

so orifice rear out of talking, rearrange the words and to para-quote our national lottery " it could be you"

If you follow the link I posted on #70 of this thread you'd find that road repairs are carried out in all parts of the city.

Surely you have schools in your area and people in your area use social services (probably to a far greater extent than "affluent" areas). These are by far and away the biggest spending council departments.

If you follow the link I posted on #70 of this thread you'd find that road repairs are carried out in all parts of the city.

Surely you have schools in your area and people in your area use social services (probably to a far greater extent than "affluent" areas). These are by far and away the biggest spending council departments.

naw mate, we've only just got windows in our caves, what are roads & schools & social services ?:hihi:

The main roads near where I live are actually quite good, having just been resurfaced.

The main roads near where I live are actually quite good, having just been resurfaced.

Bet You 100 quid the utilities company's come and dig it up in the next month:rant:

i have lived in westfield for 26 years now, over the past 10 years when we have any heavy rain the storm drains burst the road surface breaks up, the council come along tip a bit of tarmac into the damage and hope it lasts, it does till the next heavy rain. there used to be a storm drain on the end of challoner way used to block regular, coucil used to come and clean it, obviously must have got brassed off with this, so they filled it in and tarmaced over the drain, now it floods, must be some logic somewhere just that i cant see it, is it me?

Balderdash!

There are far worse on many busier streatches of road in Sheffield!

DfT – Road Traffic Flows for UK road netework:
http://www.dft-matrix.net/default.aspxI guess it had been assessed and assume it was top of their priority list. Obviously they wouldn't use funds in an affluent area unecessarily.......being a Labour council.

i have lived in westfield for 26 years now, over the past 10 years when we have any heavy rain the storm drains burst the road surface breaks up, the council come along tip a bit of tarmac into the damage and hope it lasts, it does till the next heavy rain. there used to be a storm drain on the end of challoner way used to block regular, coucil used to come and clean it, obviously must have got brassed off with this, so they filled it in and tarmaced over the drain, now it floods, must be some logic somewhere just that i cant see it, is it me?

Report it to them using the link below + also ask why they have done this and tell them the problems:hihi:

http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/roads-and-transport/maintenance/contact-street-force

When I drive around Sheffield I am often struck by the fact that there are fewer potholes and patched up roads in districts with a strong labour following.Our am I just imagining it?

When I drive around Sheffield I am often struck by the fact that there are fewer potholes and patched up roads in districts with a strong labour following.Our am I just imagining it?

Could be true in some areas, however the side roads in Hillsborough & Malin Bridge are very bad and I think that is a labour area:confused:

It seems to me that its almost a deliberate policy to keep the roads in poor condition - it saves a lot of money and also keeps speeds down. You can't drive above about 20mph along Psalter Lane near the Stag pub - the number of patched repairs is quite funny if you take a look at it. I'm so fed up with shaking my teeth out that I'm considering changing my car to a much bigger one with nice soft suspension. I would not be surprised if thats one of the reasons people go for the big 4x4s. I'd happily drive a Smart car if the road surface was smooth.

Stop moaning,sell your cars & WALK.

Stop moaning,sell your cars & WALK.

Then the footpaths would wear out:hihi:

Then the footpaths would wear out:hihi:

...would...

:confused:

...thought they already had too.

:thumbsup:

...would...

:confused:

...thought they already had too.

:thumbsup:

The Sheffield Labour group will have an idea to take all the chewing gum that they get of the streets and patch up the pavements with it, this means the pavements are upto standard and you get your feet stuck meaning the surface can't get worn out:hihi:

If more people submitted bills to the council for having the tracking reset on their cars and for replacement tyres maybe they would find money to resurface Sheffields roads.
In the meantime if anyone hears of a job going filling in the potholes let me know,money for old rope!

If more people submitted bills to the council for having the tracking reset on their cars and for replacement tyres maybe they would find money to resurface Sheffields roads.

Would that not just drain more funds out of the pot and therefore result in even less road reconstruction?

In the meantime if anyone hears of a job going filling in the potholes let me know,money for old rope!

I bet the poor sod that does it has a fancy title like Highways Surface Development Officer:help:






500 posts up:thumbsup:

anyone see the guy with his yellow spray can on the news yesterday?

beg pardon, just seen the thread about it

Well, I reported the state of Psalter Lane and the street where I live to Streetforce 19th Feb, but so far not seen any yellow paint around any potholes to be repaired...

The parkway is a disgrace, as the main route in to sheffield from the M1 it should be billiard table smooth, not a pot holed mess, what impression does it give to visiting investors & the business community?
But then again the labour council know best!

Wonder if we sheffielders will get a tax rebate,
seen as we need a 4x4 to get through all the pot holes!!

i think sheffield is in the top ten in the uk for worst roads

You should find out who the supplier is and contact them. I used to have a job where we were wired in to these systems for our electric supply, with their agreement, and when it failed we got straight onto them.

If they say " It's not us : it's the council." get it in writing from them and then demand elimination of the problem from the council. If they say : "It's not us , it's the supplier." Get it in writing from them.

Then you have sufficient 'traction' to force correction of the problem through the law.:)

Lights have been fixed....sort of ....they are now on all day, and off at night.

look at my other post about plans for our roads http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=198049

So the council increases journey lengths, which increases carbon output making for a more polluted city, nice 1

So the council increases journey lengths, which increases carbon output making for a more polluted city, nice 1

Ah but that's because you're not following the Republic of South Yorkshire handbook, which states:

"All journeys not made possible by cycle shall be conducted on public transport." (Regulation 25.7.3052)

See - if you'd only do what it says in the handbook the council would be in control and all would be well.

:hihi: Ah but that's because you're not following the Republic of South Yorkshire handbook, which states:

"All journeys not made possible by cycle shall be conducted on public transport." (Regulation 25.7.3052)

See - if you'd only do what it says in the handbook the council would be in control and all would be well.

Can't get 2 sets of ladders, 5 boxes of window film, 5 gallons of water & a tool box on a bike or a bus, suppose I could always pack it all in & sign on :hihi:

:hihi:

Can't get 2 sets of ladders, 5 boxes of window film, 5 gallons of water & a tool box on a bike or a bus, suppose I could always pack it all in & sign on :hihi:

You don't fancy 'doing a Launcelot'?

Why not just hire a tandem / trandem? </Goodies

Or you could try Wallace & Gromit's solution to window cleaning?

no thanks, to both, think the job offer in Aus is looking more attractive by the day:hihi: :hihi:

no thanks, to both, think the job offer in Aus is looking more attractive by the day:hihi: :hihi:

I know how you feel. /And/ they're better at cricket. :(

I know how you feel. /And/ they're better at cricket. :(

roads are better, transports better, they aren't anti car / bike, foods & drinks cheaper (by a mile) weather is a lot better.

"kids, pack your bags, we're off":hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

Ah but that's because you're not following the Republic of South Yorkshire handbook, which states:

"All journeys not made possible by cycle shall be conducted on public transport." (Regulation 25.7.3052)

See - if you'd only do what it says in the handbook the council would be in control and all would be well.


Does it also tell you in the book of crap, I mean Republic of South Yorkshire Handbook how to apply for a loan to ride on the public transport:D

The parkway is a disgrace, as the main route in to sheffield from the M1 it should be billiard table smooth, not a pot holed mess, what impression does it give to visiting investors & the business community?
But then again the labour council know best! The section from Handsworth to POW is going to be done shortly.

As a former resident of Sheffield from being a kid is that it has always been a sneaky plan from Sheffield council for a great number of years at least to the 50's. That you know when you hit Sheffield because the roads are always terrible.

It is a shame that the chancellor did not compel local councils to spend more money on roads because even if they get the cars off the road they get reduced revenue how will the buses get around the pot holes with less money coming in.

The section from Handsworth to POW is going to be done shortly.

Oh good,wonder when they will get round to the rest of the major routes in the city? surley attercliffe road is due some resurfacing, or will they put the money in to traffic calming somewhere else (like woodseats)

It is a shame that the chancellor did not compel local councils to spend more money on roads because even if they get the cars off the road they get reduced revenue how will the buses get around the pot holes with less money coming in.
Its a shame the government don't give councils more of the revenue raised from road tax, maybe the roads wouldn't be in quite such a state then because local authorities would have more monies to spend on them.

Oh good,wonder when they will get round to the rest of the major routes in the city? surley attercliffe road is due some resurfacing, or will they put the money in to traffic calming somewhere else (like woodseats) Keep your fingers crossed for the highways PFI then.

The roads budget should soon have more money coming in.

It is estimated that the parking permit scheme in Broomhill will generate a surplus of about £300,000 this year.

A council employee has already stated that this will go to the general budget and not be spent in the area that generated it.

When the sharrowfail scheme comes in, this should be another £450,000 to the budget.

Maybe they will fix the street lights outside my house then (first reported in November), or even the series of potholes they call Psalter Lane.

But I ain't holding my breath...

Its a shame the government don't give councils more of the revenue raised from road tax, maybe the roads wouldn't be in quite such a state then because local authorities would have more monies to spend on them.




Well Said Foot:thumbsup:

All the road tax from an area should be spent in that area, I know the Goverment would get around it by putting Sheffield under Yorkshire & The Humber but I guess that even if this happened then we would get a better deal than " Streetforce " get now:mad:

Its a shame the government don't give councils more of the revenue raised from road tax, maybe the roads wouldn't be in quite such a state then because local authorities would have more monies to spend on them.

Keep your fingers crossed for the highways PFI then.

How will pfi for roads work? When a school is build under pfi, the company owns the school, does that mean the private company will then own the roads, & will they then start charging for the use of?
Sounds very iffy to me:confused:

How will pfi for roads work? See posts 48 and 55 (page 3) on this thread for my interpretation. :)


does that mean the private company will then own the roads, & will they then start charging for the use of? I don't think thats how it works. As far as i'm aware the private company is just responsible for the maintenace over a fixed period (usually 25-30 years) and don't own the highway.


Sounds very iffy to me:confused: But what's the alternative? The roads need hundreds of millions spending on them and it has to come from somewhere.

See posts 48 and 55 (page 3) on this thread for my interpretation. :)

I don't think thats how it works. As far as i'm aware the private company is just responsible for the maintenace over a fixed period (usually 25-30 years) and don't own the highway.

But what's the alternative? The roads need hundreds of millions spending on them and it has to come from somewhere.

PFI for schools gives the contractor the school for a set period, the contractor then leases the school back to the governing body, thats how they make money, I cant see how the contractor will make any money on this without charging excessivly for the original job! in which case why cabt the council be given the "credits" for the renewal/ repairs, after all they do have the equipment, & resourses.

Ive reported Dagnam Road AGAIN:rant: , I notice that most of the potholes are near the 2 year old speed-humps that no one asked for:suspect:

See posts 48 and 55 (page 3) on this thread for my interpretation. :)

I don't think thats how it works. As far as i'm aware the private company is just responsible for the maintenace over a fixed period (usually 25-30 years) and don't own the highway.

But what's the alternative? The roads need hundreds of millions spending on them and it has to come from somewhere.

What your interpretation and some others I have read don't explain is how this private company makes a profit out of the scheme. Nor is there any indication of how much more council-tax payers will have to pay using a private contractor to improve and maintain the roads than were the council to do it funded by a govt. grant.

Everyone agrees that drastic action is needed, action that should have been initialised ten years ago, but the only offer the govt. can come up with is for the council to sell its soul to the devil !!

There's every probability the council will end up with another millstone round its neck like the World Student Games, - a huge bill that will take decades to repay and be financially crippling.

Not much point fixing the roads really. Most people wont be able to afford to run cars soon and those that can can get 4x4's.

I notice the yearly patchers are due round my area soon - the yellow paint around the deeper holes has appeared. I have been thinking of getting myself some spray paint and finishing the job off properly

I notice the yearly patchers are due round my area soon - the yellow paint around the deeper holes has appeared. I have been thinking of getting myself some spray paint and finishing the job off properly

No doubt there'll be comments about budgets and workforce restrictions and what-not, but why don't the council just send a bloke with a bucket of tarmac round instead of a bloke with a can of spray-paint?

Please don't tell me there's some kind of government requirement that all holes are logged in a huge database so they can be kept track of; I don't think I could bear it.