For those that don't know the band Audioslave have split up. Been on the cards for a while as much speculation has been around since Rage Against the Machine announced a one off date and Chris Cornell has been working on solo stuff.

Well it's official now :( :cry:

Damn that's a shame.

I must admit I saw the cover of Kerrang with something about RATM reforming and I wondered what that would mean for Audioslave. Now I know.

Any chance of a Soundgarden reunion?

Oh well I'll have to pin my hopes on the reformed Pumpkins new album "Zeitgeist" (released 7/7/07) being able to recapture the magic.

Yeah it was a formality as soon as they announced RATM were re-forming (afterall they did start to incorporate a few RATM songs into their live set). I'm really looking forward to Cornells next solo album, Euphoria Morning was a superb album and one i still listen to now. As for Soundgarden a reformation would be great but i dunno how they'd get Matt Cameron out of his Pearl Jam gig!

Glad i heard Outshined in the film True Romance otherwise i'd have never got into em :)

Yeah it was a formality as soon as they announced RATM were re-forming (afterall they did start to incorporate a few RATM songs into their live set). I'm really looking forward to Cornells next solo album, Euphoria Morning was a superb album and one i still listen to now. As for Soundgarden a reformation would be great but i dunno how they'd get Matt Cameron out of his Pearl Jam gig!

Glad i heard Outshined in the film True Romance otherwise i'd have never got into Soundgarden/Cornell/Audioslave :)

Well good as Audioslave were I'd rather have RATM and Soundgarden instead :)

Chris has talked about it to MTV

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1552582/20070215/audioslave.jhtml

I think it's a shame that the band didn't do a press conference to announce it. Chris has set himself up to take the brunt of it all by doing it this way.

Can't wait for his solo album though, I've been a fan of Cornell for nearly 20 years!!! Blimey!

Soundgarden instead
Yes please. Kim Thayill's a god.

Yes please. Kim Thayill's a god.

So is Matt Cameron :thumbsup:

*dons black armbands*

Shame: great band

I could never get into Audioslave. I loved RATM and Tom Morello is fantastic, but i could still never get into them.

Damn that's a shame.
Oh well I'll have to pin my hopes on the reformed Pumpkins new album "Zeitgeist" (released 7/7/07) being able to recapture the magic.

Thanks for letting me know! I presume D'arcy's still awol so Mellissa'll be doing in. I'm desperate for this, I've loved that band for years... Siamese Dreams forever!

Thanks for letting me know! I presume D'arcy's still awol so Mellissa'll be doing in. I'm desperate for this, I've loved that band for years... Siamese Dreams forever!

So far only Billy and Jimmy are known to be in the band. They've kept the rest of the lineup a secret. I doubt D'arcy will be returning but I think Iha will probably be back otherwise it's just Zwan 2.

Check out their myspace page - they've started announcing which European festivals they'll be playing at. No UK dates announced yet though.

i preferred rage against the machine and chris cornells solo stuff... so works out quite well for me ;)

Yes please. Kim Thayill's a god.

Agreed, but I don't think it would ever happen judging by Chris's comments, he seems pretty negative about it. I'd never say never but I have my reservations. I was into SG right from the early days and I can happily say they never did a bad album, the albums just got better and their style changed and they evolved with each album pciking up fans on the way. Had they continued it could have all gone wrong and that would have mortified me more. They called it a day at a good time and it was a gd album to bow out with. If they reformed I'd be nervous at what they would now produce after such a long time apart.

I could never get into Audioslave. I loved RATM and Tom Morello is fantastic, but i could still never get into them.

Were you into soundgarden? Reason I ask, it seems to be a general consensus that the majority of RATM fans couldn't get into Audioslave because they couldn't accept it to be a new band. They thought of it as RATM with a new singer and of course Chris could never fill Zacks spot. The music Audioslave produced was clearly not RATM with a new singer! Whereas old Soundgarden fans tended to love Audioslave as a band in their own right and of course Chris's influence on the band was extremelly evident. Chris really helped the other 3 grow as musicians. I'm a member of the Audioslave fan club and its been interesting watching the threads over the last few weeks. The bitching, fighting and members being banned over all the recent events has astounded me. There was a big divide with the RATM fans all celebrating the announcement of the one off RATM gig. Some of them turned their back on Chris quicker than Judas! I don't understand why these people actually joined the fan club in the first place. Don't get me wrong I liked RATM and I was Soundgardens No1. fan! But Audioslave were a great band in their own right and I will miss them. They kicked ass live and I will miss seeing them tour. If RATM do reform permanently, I'm not so sure what to think to it. Some of the lyrics and the attitude just doesn't fit into 30 something year olds' life style. It was cool to be chanting 'F*** you I won't do what you tell me' when I was a teenager but it doesn't quite work now!! It would be interesting to see what they came up with if they write some new material. I think part of the reason Chris got fed up with the band was to do with the political nature of them. Chris is very deep and meaningful and his songs and full of depth so I can see why they would start to disagree musically. It probably is for the best. Leave Tom and the guys to get on with what they're about and leave Chris to do what he wants to do.

old Soundgarden fans tended to love Audioslave as a band in their own right
Not me. I went off Soundgarden a bit after hearing Black Hole Sun. I like the old tunes like Head Injury, Get on the Snake, Rusty Cage, etc. They used to be twisted, intelligent metal with a punky edge. Black Hole Sun was the turning point - it's when they embraced MTV.

Not me. I went off Soundgarden a bit after hearing Black Hole Sun. I like the old tunes like Head Injury, Get on the Snake, Rusty Cage, etc. They used to be twisted, intelligent metal with a punky edge. Black Hole Sun was the turning point - it's when they embraced MTV.

Well you've slighty misquoted me there!! I'm talking about Soundgarden fans who are into Audioslave. They tend to see Audioslave as a band in its own right as opposed to a replacement Soundgarden. Whereas a lot of RATM fans couldn't accept Chris.

As for Soundgardens early stuff, it's spot on. You should come down to my Grunge night if you like old soundgarden. At the last night I played Little Joe, other nights I've played Mood for trouble, Hands all over, Loud Love, etc. I never play black hole sun, same as I don't play under the bridge. Two excellent songs but gone commercial and ruined. I wouldn't necessarily say SG embraced MTV, more the other way round to be fair. They didn't write black hole sun with the grand plan to conquer the world. It has it's place on superunknown as a great track same as under the bridge does on blood sugar sex magic. They'll always be the tracks all the people will go mad for which makes me cringe!!!! I nearly mentioned the more than words of extreme then!!

They allowed themselves to be manipulated by the suit-and-ties - in terms of changing image massively (short hair, etc), making a more standard 'Seattle sound' (in light of Nirvana's success), and basically becoming more accessible to the mainstream. They became less edgy, and less interesting musically... all to ultimately make money. Therefore they sold out - I think that's a fairly realistic way of putting it, to be brutally honest. Audioslave was basically a 'super-group' extension of that MTV mentality.

Got loads of respect for Thayill though, who has since done stuff with Grohl on the Probot album, his own project Pigeonhed, the No WTO combo, with Jello Biafra and the bass player from Nirvana, and is listed in the Rolling Stone magazine top 100 guitarists of all time. He was always the soul of Soundgarden, the songs being built around his off-key, twisted riffs. Audioslave never did anything different enough for me.

By the way, I didn't misquote you at all, I quoted you word for word, and in the exact context you were talking about. You said that RATM fans generally didn't like Audioslave, but Soundgarden fans did. I spoke up as a SG 'fan' that Audioslave didn't impress me.

Also, Red Hot Chili Peppers aren't 'grunge' and never have been. Besides, it's all Metal really, you know.

Were you into soundgarden?
Not really. I was a huge Nirvana fan, and i appreciate Pearl Jam, but none of the other "grunge" bands did anything for me.

I'm a member of the Audioslave fan club and its been interesting watching the threads over the last few weeks. The bitching, fighting and members being banned over all the recent events has astounded me.
I was on the Rage forum a few years ago and the idiocy behind some of those people was amazing. I got tired of the "isn't communism brilliant?" threads very quickly.

They allowed themselves to be manipulated by the suit-and-ties - in terms of changing image massively (short hair, etc), making a more standard 'Seattle sound' (in light of Nirvana's success), and basically becoming more accessible to the mainstream. They became less edgy, and less interesting musically... all to ultimately make money. Therefore they sold out - I think that's a fairly realistic way of putting it, to be brutally honest. Audioslave was basically a 'super-group' extension of that MTV mentality.

Got loads of respect for Thayill though, who has since done stuff with Grohl on the Probot album, his own project Pigeonhed, the No WTO combo, with Jello Biafra and the bass player from Nirvana, and is listed in the Rolling Stone magazine top 100 guitarists of all time. He was always the soul of Soundgarden, the songs being built around his off-key, twisted riffs. Audioslave never did anything different enough for me.

By the way, I didn't misquote you at all, I quoted you word for word, and in the exact context you were talking about. You said that RATM fans generally didn't like Audioslave, but Soundgarden fans did. I spoke up as a SG 'fan' that Audioslave didn't impress me.

Also, Red Hot Chili Peppers aren't 'grunge' and never have been. Besides, it's all Metal really, you know.

God you got out of bed in a pedantic mood didn't you! I know what I meant. I am talking about Soundgarden fans who are into Audioslave. If you are not into Audioslave then you don't come under the category that I'm talking about. I said that Soundgarden fans tended to love Audioslave as a band in their own right as opposed to a soundgarden replacement. You are taking snippits and quoting it out of context. I never said that all Soundgarden fans love Audioslave. There is a very distinct difference.

If you think that they changed to make a 'seattle sound' in light of Nirvana, you clearly know nothing about the Grunge scene. Soundgarden were the ones who dared to be different from the start. Besides the grunge scene started back in the mid 80s with bands like the Melvins, U-men, Green River, Soundgarden. Nirvana's first release wasn't until 1988 after Soundgardens. You talk about Soundgarden allowing themselves to be manipulated by men in suits and cutting off hair, Nirvana managed to sell out and go mainstream with Nevermind. Many other bands followed suit like Pearl Jam but Soundgarden always remained different. Chris cut his hair off at pretty much the same time as every bloke with long hair did. Men for some reason seemed to all start cutting their hair off including my mates from the rock pub. You say Soundgarden became less edgy and interesting musically, well that's a matter of being in your opinion. I've followed Soundgarden from the beginning (and Nirvana, Green River, Mother Love Bone etc etc) and in my opinion Soundgarden grew musically with each album. They changed and evolved musically, technically and with the times and if you listen to the albums in order that it quite evident. Of course if you prefer for them to keep the same sound as they did when they started then it would make for a boring band and they would have become dated. Soundgarden didn't change their image dramatically. Chris cut his hair. That was about it! Eddie Vedder cut his hair off, Dave Grohl did. Chris wasn't the only one. So big deal black hole sun was a big hit!

Yeah and I also have a lot of respect for Kim Thayil (that's with one L by the way not two). I met the bloke and he is the nicest guy going. Tom could never replace Kim, although Tom did add an interesting flavour to Loud Love on Audioslaves tour to be fair.

I never said that Red Hot Chili Peppers were from Seattle or Grunge. But to clear up any confusion before you misquote me, my night is a grunge and alternative rock night. Therefore in addition to grunge music hailing from Seattle I play other alternative music from the same era, for example RHCP, FNM etc. I merely used under the bridge as an example. By the way, Extreme aren't grunge either in case you didn't know!! ;)

Is there actually something wrong with a band making money? Surely that's the point isn't it? As long as you're enjoying it and if you're not anymore then quit/break up the band.

Didn't mean to rile you so much - shamefully, you've resorted to belittling my knowledge of grunge and having a pop at me. Not nice that :cool:

All I was saying was Soundgarden sold out to the MTV ethic... which you've basically agreed with above. Also, Melvins are not grunge - they inspired Cobain to pick up a guitar and learn a few chords. As I said, technically it's metal - albeit hardcore, intelligent metal.

Didn't mean to rile you so much - shamefully, you've resorted to belittling my knowledge of grunge and having a pop at me. Not nice that :cool: ...
Well I don't know you or Foxxx, but it strikes me that you tried getting all muzo and clever, and Foxx shot you down in flames...

...tough...

...too late to start crying, and blubbing that's not "Not nice that :cool:"

:nono:

...too late to start crying, and blubbing that's not "Not nice that :cool:"
Heehaaa!!! Oh no, the indie kids are after me!!

I really wasn't trying to be better than anyone, I was just expressing my own heartfelt opinion on the matter. And now I'm reminded why I hate this place so much: everyone takes everything so seriously.

Didn't mean to rile you so much - shamefully, you've resorted to belittling my knowledge of grunge and having a pop at me. Not nice that :cool:

Sorry about that....I'm very protective of Soundgarden and Grunge etc!!! I only got riled because you weren't getting me with the Audioslave thing! So I took my frustrations out on you. :hihi:

All I was saying was Soundgarden sold out to the MTV ethic... which you've basically agreed with above. Also, Melvins are not grunge - they inspired Cobain to pick up a guitar and learn a few chords. As I said, technically it's metal - albeit hardcore, intelligent metal


Sorry, but I didn't really agree with you. I said that Soundgarden were the ones who remained different. It was Nirvana who sold out to the MTV ethic and because of them other bands got a look in (rightly or wrongly!). To be fair Soundgarden never really quite made it mainstream in the UK, well not to the extent of Nirvana and Pearl Jam. They had their brief fame with Black Hole Sun but the rest of their 'hits' were more for the underground alternative scene. Nirvana on the otherhand would be played anywhere and everywhere. That's my main bug bear with Nirvana because I (..prepares to be shouted out by all fans for my next remark) always thought there was much better music to come out of Seattle. I liked Nirvana but imo there was better, it just wasn't as well known.
Not sure how you can say that Melvins isn't grunge? The entire grunge sound evolved from the sound the Melvins produced in the 80s. They were probaby the single biggest influence on the grunge sound. (sludgey guitars). In 1986 the LP Deep Six was released which was the first grunge complilation featuring tracks from Soundgarden, Malfunkshun, Green River, U-men, Skin Yard and wait for it .......Melvins. This was 'the' album that really kicked it all off (and I own one of few copies, surely must be worth a bit now). I don't see Nirvana or Pearl Jam there (albeit members of Green River and Malfunkshun would later form Mother Love Bone, then Pearl Jam after). Grunge only really came to the attention of the mainstream when Nirvana came along. PJ, Soundgarden and AIC of course were around at this time as well as many other less well known and people started wearing lumberjack shirts and Doc martins etc but the Grunge scene had been going strong for a few years already to those who were into it in a 'I had Bleach before Nevermind' way!

Yeah, I guess some of it is 'metal', it's kinda hard to categorise it all though. AIC, SG, Nirvana are pretty heavy. Pearl Jam more melodic...as it got later and later into the grunge scene the dirt was removed from the music. So what started as punk then slow, heavy, sludgey sounds, moved to melodic cleaner music. Then around 1996 it kinda all ended as most of the bands disbanded or had died. There's not many that are still around now, pearl jam, Melvins and Mudhoney are still about. AIC did some shows with a new singer.....I can only hope that Soundgarden would reform but I doubt it'll happen.

Anyways I could talk about grunge forever! Let's just appreciate the fact that we like some good music (apart from you not being bothered by Audioslave!). After all any Soundgarden fan is cool in my book :thumbsup:

Well I don't know you or Foxxx, but it strikes me that you tried getting all muzo and clever, and Foxx shot you down in flames...

...tough...

...too late to start crying, and blubbing that's not "Not nice that :cool:"

:nono:

Hey there Foo fighter. Just thought I'd congratulate you on a fine name there. :)

Cheers for sticking up for me....to be fair I was also trying to be all muzo and clever too!!! :hihi: It would seem I apparently pulled it off!

Well, I've followed the Melvins from day dot, and I've never thought of them as grunge - they've always been something radically different to that for me. I mean, they get some of their philosophy from Zappa and Beefheart, as well as the real metal bands like Kiss, Judas Priest, early Sabbath... I don't know, I'm just not keen on pigeon-holing them in that way.

Similarly, bands like Soundgarden, Bitch Magnet and NoMeansNo have always had one foot in the metal/punk/hardcore scene, and the other in some purely musical exploration type of approach to their stuff... grunge was a scene, but I think Melvins are a band who have definitely side-stepped 'scenes' on the whole.

...And now I'm reminded why I hate this place so much: everyone takes everything so seriously.
Have you actually read your own posts...

:huh:

(the one above this one isn't exactly a "grin a minute" item now is it?)

Was just discussing a band with this Foxx character - who seems capable of holding an intelligent conversation about decent music. If you can't understand the topic then just mooch off and do summat else... like get back to your threads about roadworks.

Or have you got beef with me and you just want to have a pop ovet t'internet? If so, we should continue via PM, as it's dead boring for other people to read.

Or have you got beef with me and you just want to have a pop ovet t'internet? If so, we should continue via PM, as it's dead boring for other people to read.

Oh, I disagree, this is better than watching 'Enders!

Was just discussing a band with this Foxx character - who seems capable of holding an intelligent conversation about decent music. If you can't understand the topic then just mooch off and do summat else... like get back to your threads about roadworks.

Or have you got beef with me and you just want to have a pop ovet t'internet? If so, we should continue via PM, as it's dead boring for other people to read.

:hihi:

...And now I'm reminded why I hate this place so much: everyone takes everything so seriously.

:rolleyes:

I know, and you're such a bundle of laughs...

...and so paranoid you even had to scoot off and check my post history...

...how very sad.

:loopy:

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For those that don't know the band Audioslave have split up. Been on the cards for a while as much speculation has been around since Rage Against the Machine announced a one off date and Chris Cornell has been working on solo stuff.

I thought it was odd that the Bond theme was just Cornell... as it sounded quite (soft) AudioSlave-y.

It is a shame, but at least we might get some new RATM stuff. Which'd be nice.


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Well good as Audioslave were I'd rather have RATM and Soundgarden instead :)

I agree, the combo never quite hit the same musical creativity.

Addition: I'm a bit nervous now I've joined this thread, didn't realise there was so much feeling about these bands...

I wouldn't worry - at least you know about the music and actually have something to contribute.

I thought it was odd that the Bond theme was just Cornell... as it sounded quite (soft) AudioSlave-y.

It is a shame, but at least we might get some new RATM stuff. Which'd be nice.


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That song was actually David Arnold (who does most of the Bond music) featuring Chris Cornell. I don't think they'd let a US metal band do the theme. It's not Mission Impossible.

That song was actually David Arnold (who does most of the Bond music) featuring Chris Cornell. I don't think they'd let a US metal band do the theme. It's not Mission Impossible.

How dare you!!!!!!!! :nono:

Featuring Chris Cornell you say!!! No, Chris wrote the theme tuuune and sang the theme tuuune.

The track is officially down as being written and produced by Chris Cornell and David Arnold (in that order). Chris also wrote the lyrics. The theme tune does not feature on the David Arnold's Casino Royale soundtrack because Chris wanted to keep it for his solo album.

Featuring Chris Cornell! Tut tut to you!

Incidently Chris also had a solo song on the Mission Impossible Soundtrack!

I thought it was odd that the Bond theme was just Cornell... as it sounded quite (soft) AudioSlave-y.

It is a shame, but at least we might get some new RATM stuff. Which'd be nice.


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Indeed, when you say it sounded Audioslavey, that's prob because Chris had the most influence on the music writing. Some of Audioslaves songs were very reminiscent of later soundgarden crossed with his solo stuff on Euphoria Morning.

This was posted on the Audioslave forum the other day for those who are interested

Chris pretty much admits he got fed up with the way they wrote music from the beginning in this article here.....he's very honest about his feelings towards the band...the rest of the band found out he had left when we did!

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20012333,00.html

Good band, shame they've split, liked their music.

Good band, shame they've split, liked their music.
Too true...

...very much liked the influence the rest of the band had on Chris' style, and definitely thought Chris was a good influence on the others...

...but things move on, so hey.

:thumbsup:

For those that don't know the band Audioslave have split up. Been on the cards for a while as much speculation has been around since Rage Against the Machine announced a one off date and Chris Cornell has been working on solo stuff.

Well it's official now :( :cry:


Not been on here for ages! Just to quote myself above, Chris Cornell has indeed been busy with his solo stuff. Here's an update.....

His album 'Carry On' is out NOW and he's touring.

Check out http://www.chriscornell.com

and http://www.chriscornell.org.uk

for further news and tour info.

I went to see him at the Astoria back in May and the gig was amazing. He played for over 2 hours and included lots of Soundgarden and Audioslave songs as well as Temple of the Dog, and songs from both his solo albums and other solo stuff he's done for soundtracks.

I advise that you get yourself tickets for his tour because he is seriously excellent live.

:thumbsup: Tickets bought for Rock City in Sept :headbang:

Went to the gig last week and Chris was awesome.

I'd seen some live footage on youtube before hand and thought he sounded a little rough. Maybe he couldn't reproduce his vocals live.... pah.. he blew us all away.

Great 2hr set.

Loved his cover of Billie Jean.