my familys thoughts and heart go out to ken bigley and his family....

My thoughts exactly.

The one good thing I've gotten from this (if its true) is the reports of one of his captors helping him escape. Makes you think that there is hope after all.

i just been thinking about the SO CALLED escape????

EASE MY MIND???

Originally posted by joestrummer
i just been thinking about the SO CALLED escape????

EASE MY MIND???

Any chance of elaborating? What exactly are your thoughts?

I just hope the press give his poor family time to grieve. Last thing they need right now is the "how do you feel" questions.

After reading some of the newspaper articles re his killing, I simply cannot describe the amount of anger I feel towards his murderers today.

How can anyone inflict such cruelty and torture on a fellow human being?

Words fail me.

I just feel so sorry for him and his family.

It is a total nightmare, I can not begin to imagine what was going on in his head, that poor man, it makes me feel so so sad and angry at the same time, how can anyhuman do that to another human?

Originally posted by Caronp
It is a total nightmare, I can not begin to imagine what was going on in his head, that poor man, it makes me feel so so sad and angry at the same time, how can anyhuman do that to another human?

Basically because the people who carried out this cold blooded murder are human in shape only, and are unlike any other species on earth. Definitely lower than any animal.

God rest Ken Bigley's soul.

They must be,?What else is going to happen now?

My thoughts and prayers go out to the Bigley family.
Don't want to say anymore than that for now.

are their any book so f condolence in sheffield?

What are principles worth when a life is at stake? Apparently life means f*** all to invaders of countries and to those whom are invaded. Sad it is that we've moved so far along the road to resolving conflicts that we can judge success by watching throats being cut and heads ripped off. Ken Bigley died because convictions are deeply held and the understanding of each other's differences are pathetically inadequet. When Brits are decapitated before an audience of people who hate our country, surely the question; 'what could we REALLY have done to avoid this damn awful cruelty?' has to be asked.
We appear to be living in a 'gung ho' 'shoot em up era' where actions race ahead of sense. If Bush wins through, heaven forbid, get ready for decapitations en-masse, because the marauding will be stepped up, the reactions likewise. Likely more Brits suffering five minute decapitations too because of Blair's *** licking, sychophantic poodle walking, aside his great American mentor. Har. Har. (Who started this 'special relationship' crap anyway?). CALLASSA FOREVER.

I agree with most of what you say. Time to get everyone except Iraqis out of Iraq. Let em all fend for themselves. It is up to them to shape their future, not us

The CALASSA FOREVER just made me think you are around 14-15 and have just cut n pasted a topic from a different forum. ;) Very cheesy

Its a national tragedy (or you would have thought so to see the press coverage). We have people dying in Iraq and Afghanistan every day - nothing said !

Pity he didn't heed the warnings and leave when he had the chance rather than try to milk the nation for more profit.

Originally posted by coopster1974
I agree with most of what you say. Time to get everyone except Iraqis out of Iraq. Let em all fend for themselves. It is up to them to shape their future, not us

The CALASSA FOREVER just made me think you are around 14-15 and have just cut n pasted a topic from a different forum. ;) Very cheesy Totally agree with you.let the ungrateful S.O.B.s shoot each other instead of our troops & the innocent kids.

Bigley went to Iraq Knowing the risks involved......His renumeration would have reflected that risk.

His motives for being there were not of building a new Iraq but that of the amount of money that was being offered to contractors to go there in some cases around 25 000 pounds a month was being offered to contractors going to Iraq.

The risks were in perspective with the rewards.
his death may be a big headline news thing but has anyone read about the 2 americans that were with him?
Did they get the same media coverage?...No!

Wht was this? ..is it because media coverage use us to show our disgust at how a brit is treated or is it propoganda when it suits the press!.
I hav'nt seen any press that gives the time for the 2 americans or others that have come to this type of ending

<bitter sarcasm>

Surely your not trying to claim that the media is involved in anything as seedy as propoganda - how cynical!

</bitter sarcasm>

I haven't read the American papers, but I would imagine they would have had more coverage of the US men who were murdered.

It is to be expected the the British press would make a bigger issue of a fellow Brit being murdered than someone from another country. Its like when theres a shocking murder in this country, you would expect it to be in the papers, but you wouldn't expect British papers to carry headlines about murders in all the other countries around the world.

Originally posted by Patchy
I haven't read the American papers, but I would imagine they would have had more coverage of the US men who were murdered.

It is to be expected the the British press would make a bigger issue of a fellow Brit being murdered than someone from another country. Its like when theres a shocking murder in this country, you would expect it to be in the papers, but you wouldn't expect British papers to carry headlines about murders in all the other countries around the world.
Bigleys Death is a wakeup call for those that believe in justice!
We have a few soldiers of our own that are accused of murder whilst carrying out their duties in Iraq.....

It is a war but we will never stoop to their ways of beheading of captives.

My own personal view is that we should start to be a little more aggressive than kneeling down to these murderers.

After all! In The UK we look after people just like bigleys captors ie . hama hanza and his ilk! without any condemnation from the public...no wonder we have had no terrorist attacks....why bomb and maim the people and areas where they live!

Am I the only person who thinks all the media coverage of the beheadings is totally immoral and very very wrong?

I would suggest that the media's prioritisation of cases like Bigley's encourages the terrorists to continue to terrorise. It also devalues the lives of ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE who have died in the conflict on every side. What makes one british hostage so f*****g important? And why is it considered 'murder' when we have blatantly invaded these people's country?! It's war!! What do they expect?

Originally posted by tosh13
Totally agree with you.let the ungrateful S.O.B.s shoot each other instead of our troops & the innocent kids.

beacause, of course, we haven't killed any innocent kids....anywhere...ever.

How many children have been seriously injured or killed in conflicts around the world,it is a tragedy that terrorists target there own people day in & day out.It is time to withdraw all troops from Iraq & let them get on with it.It seems it is a total waste of time & energy trying to help people who do not wish for that help.Sadamm was arrested & the people who lived in fear all there lives are now killing the innocent???

Originally posted by tosh13
How many children have been seriously injured or killed in conflicts around the world, it is a tragedy that terrorists target there own people day in & day out. It is time to withdraw all troops from Iraq & let them get on with it.

Withdrawing the troops from Iraq would put the people we have 'freed' back under tyrannical rule. This would mean that Bush and Blair had simply murdered a lot of Iraqis without gaining anything.

Originally posted by tosh13
It seems it is a total waste of time & energy trying to help people who do not wish for that help. Saddam was arrested & the people who lived in fear all their lives are now killing the innocent???

The people performing the beheadings are extremist supporters from groups which supported Saddam. They are not the innocent Iraqi people and are not in the majority. If you were an Iraqi, would you want the US and UK forces to leave???

bigley tried his very hardest to plea to tony blair with his short time life unfrotunately thanx to mr blair bigley was murederd what on earth was mr blair thinking he should of acted very quickly, my shmpithy goes out to bigley family.........MR BLAIR YOUR A ****.

my thoughts and prays also go out to kens family may he rest in peace god bless xxxxx

Originally posted by ilaria
bigley tried his very hardest to plea to tony blair with his short time life unfrotunately thanx to mr blair bigley was murederd what on earth was mr blair thinking he should of acted very quickly, my shmpithy goes out to bigley family.........MR BLAIR YOUR A ****.

The demands given by the terrorists were never intended to be realistic. Bigley's fate was sealed from day one, but dragging the process out got the barbarians all the publicity they could have hoped for. Blair never stood a chance of saving him.

Originally posted by ilaria
bigley tried his very hardest to plea to tony blair with his short time life unfrotunately thanx to mr blair bigley was murederd what on earth was mr blair thinking he should of acted very quickly, my shmpithy goes out to bigley family.........MR BLAIR YOUR A ****.

I'm sure the Bigley family appreciate your sympathy but how exactly was Mr Blair to blame and what could he have done to ensure the safe release of Mr Bigley?

Release the prisoners? No, that would have been the responsibility of the Iraq authorities who had already tried but been blocked by Mr Bush.

Asked Mr Bush to lift the block? No, he only listens to his advisors.

Paid a ransom? No, the kidnappers had not asked for a ransom they seemed to only want publicity.

Sent in the SAS? Not really possible as no-one knew where they were holding Mr Bigley.

So come on, what could have been done that wasn't?

The evil b*****ds never intended to let him live, their intention was to stir up ill feeling towards the government and what do you know they've achieved it, they've got what they wanted. They were given far too much media attention they played a cruel game making kens family believe he had a chance at life.

Even if their demands were true realistic ones the government would be wrong to negotiate with them you have to ask yourself how many more lives will it cost if you give the terrorists the power to use threats to get what they want?

Take for example the ransom allegedly payed to free the italian hostages what do you think that money will be used for? It sure as hell won't be for food or clothes shopping.

Originally posted by Internetowl
Its a national tragedy (or you would have thought so to see the press coverage). We have people dying in Iraq and Afghanistan every day - nothing said !



1 Iraqi civilian gets kidnapped on average at the rate of nearly 1 per day.

Our government does not, should not negotiate with terrorists.

(They just walk in take their oil and sell them weapons)

This guy was damn unfortunate but got much, much more media coverage than Mother Theresa when she died?

So, for the experience of a lifetime and of course the better pay- Would anyone choose to work in Iraq?

If not, why?

(Go easy on the reasons why you wouldn't, some of us will be going out there soon :suspect: )

I personally wouldn't purely because of the risks involved but i wouldn't judge anyone that did, i've heard people say its greed that urges people to go out there, but personally I don't agree, ken bigley was due to retire and the money from working in iraq would have given him the comfortable retirement i'm sure everyone would want. A lot of people that go out there have families to support and as a mother i know what its like to want to provide the best of everything for my little boy.

Originally posted by Marianne
I personally wouldn't purely because of the risks involved but i wouldn't judge anyone that did, i've heard people say its greed that urges people to go out there, but personally I don't agree, ken bigley was due to retire and the money from working in iraq would have given him the comfortable retirement i'm sure everyone would want. A lot of people that go out there have families to support and as a mother i know what its like to want to provide the best of everything for my little boy.

Although the money is better, I would accept a job for the same money as I'm on here in Sheffield. I'm not at liberty to discuss why, but the experience will be amazing :thumbsup: