View Full Version : Sheffield Homes - gaining priority because of neighbours


Yellowrose
10-02-2007, 18:35
Is it possible for someone who is already on the Sheffield Homes register to gain priority because they are having problems with neighbours?

What are the terms and conditions?

Do you have to get a letter from the police or your landlord or what?

fox20thc
10-02-2007, 18:37
do you mean if you currently are not a SH tenant? I dont think so as priority is given to the homeless first.:huh:

Miss_S_83
10-02-2007, 18:46
Is it possible for someone who is already on the Sheffield Homes register to gain priority because they are having problems with neighbours?

What are the terms and conditions?

Do you have to get a letter from the police or your landlord or what?

Can't speak from experience but a friend who also lives in a 1bed flat with young baby is refusing to back to her flat because of one of the neighbours as hes a total phsyco as is his girlfriend who recently asked her 'who the ***** do you think you are?' just because she was walking up the flights of stairs to her flat with both arms on both railings! Haven't heard form her for a few days, but will keep an eye on this thread for her. I have crap neighbours too, out of 48 flats I live across from the noisiest one of all and the ones got a GF that he is constantly splitting up with. At 2am one day a couple weeks ago I was woken as was my baby (bearing in mind the bedroom is right near the front door which is paper-thin) by her banging on his door saying shehad someone at the bottom of the block to 'bang him' and he'd better let her get her antibiotics form his flat. Absolute t*ts.
Not going into any more detail as last time I tried a thread about priorty I got slated for being allsorts lol!
:hihi:

butchill
10-02-2007, 18:54
do you mean the SCC HOUSING LIST

butchill
10-02-2007, 18:56
Can't speak from experience but a friend who also lives in a 1bed flat with young baby is refusing to back to her flat because of one of the neighbours as hes a total phsyco as is his girlfriend who recently asked her 'who the ***** do you think you are?' just because she was walking up the flights of stairs to her flat with both arms on both railings! Haven't heard form her for a few days, but will keep an eye on this thread for her. I have crap neighbours too, out of 48 flats I live across from the noisiest one of all and the ones got a GF that he is constantly splitting up with. At 2am one day a couple weeks ago I was woken as was my baby (bearing in mind the bedroom is right near the front door which is paper-thin) by her banging on his door saying shehad someone at the bottom of the block to 'bang him' and he'd better let her get her antibiotics form his flat. Absolute t*ts.
Not going into any more detail as last time I tried a thread about priorty I got slated for being allsorts lol!
:hihi:

to be quite honest cannot understand this post and it really does not answer the question asked this I believe is just a rant

Loops
10-02-2007, 21:13
Neighbour Nuisance can sometimes mean that its not reasonable for someone to ocecupy accomodation and therefore can sometimes be classed as homeless, possibly not an easy arguement but of course any evidence, eg: police, any mediation tried etc.

On the waiting list, funny you should mention that but on a Northern Counties housing form recently I noticed it said are you needing to get away from neighbour nuisance so on the waiting list there is a possiblity that you may get what is called reasonable preference.

If you want to check the above then ask the council for a copy of their allocations policy and that will definate who and what they give points for and who they give reasonable preference and additional preference to.

Hope this makes sense

Good luck!

Mod_Man
10-02-2007, 21:23
If you were on priority you would have to accept any old crap they offer you.

Heyesey
10-02-2007, 21:38
If you were on priority you would have to accept any old crap they offer you.


Sheffield Housing never offer you anything. They operate a bidding system.

Miss_S_83
10-02-2007, 21:40
to be quite honest cannot understand this post and it really does not answer the question asked this I believe is just a rant

Ok then let me make it clear- cant answer question at mo, friend in same situation, will post if she gets further info anytime soon whilst this post is still requiring answer. If not I won't bother. Some people cannot resist nitcpicking. I posted about being overcrowded in a 1bed flat and basically got called a good for nothing scrounger, wish youd have been on my thread to post a similar reply to people that were posting on that.

butchill
10-02-2007, 21:46
Sheffield Housing never offer you anything. They operate a bidding system.

the bidding system does not work and the sheffiled council do make offers every day of the week.
The ads on the SCC website are always at least a week out of date and the houses or flats are always spoke for the bidding system is acomplete shambles

butchill
10-02-2007, 21:48
Ok then let me make it clear- cant answer question at mo, friend in same situation, will post if she gets further info anytime soon whilst this post is still requiring answer. If not I won't bother. Some people cannot resist nitcpicking. I posted about being overcrowded in a 1bed flat and basically got called a good for nothing scrounger, wish youd have been on my thread to post a similar reply to people that were posting on that.

this post makes less sense than your first and still does not answer the question

Miss_S_83
10-02-2007, 21:51
this post makes less sense than your first and still does not answer the question

What's not to understand, as I stated I can't answer the question as present but may be able to very shortly as my friend WHO IS IN A SIMILAR SITUATION and is having it looked at right now should be hearing anytime soon given that she has refused to return to her property due to neighbour nuisance. And I said I will post if she gets an answer, if this post still requires answers?!!!!
Got it yet? You answer the blummin question then, jeez! Why do I bother!!!:rolleyes:

Yellowrose
10-02-2007, 22:26
do you mean if you currently are not a SH tenant? I dont think so as priority is given to the homeless first.:huh:

If you look at their rehousing policy on the website it makes vague reference to the fact that some support may be given to victims of harassment and rehousing may be possible. It isnt very definite though. Its not just the homeless who get priority though. It doesnt explain how you go about it and I wondered if anyone on here had had experience of it.

Yellowrose
10-02-2007, 22:35
http://www.sheffieldhomes.org.uk/finding-a-new-home/council-housing/lettings-policy

The lettings policy is shown in the link above but it is a pdf file, and I cant figure how to cut and paste from it, scroll down the page to find download. It says if it is felt that rehousing is necessary it will be dealt with as a special case priority. It does not say if this applies just to council tenants or to other tenants of social landlords as well. It gives a list of Immediate Priorities which include things like homelessness, domestic abuse, racial and other harassment of council tenants, but also lists anti social behaviour and special cases.

Anyone shed any light on this?

ANDIM68
10-02-2007, 23:10
Priority is not only given to people who are homeless, but if you get priority you still have to bid for the properties you want! Don`t state that you want help with the bidding process. Because you find they bid on properties you may not want even though in the area you`re wanting!
In reply to the original question I think it will be a case of having to log all incidents! Times. Dates etc. This may then lead to the neighbour getting in trouble for Anti social behaviour and losing their tenancy (this may only apply to council / housing association not private)
If someone refuses to return to a flat /house from the council they could be classed as making them selves voluntry homeless, and lose the property they have also any chance of any other property!
Each case is different, The all system sucks.:(

kittenta
11-02-2007, 00:22
If you have priority you still bid on the properties you want but they also bid for properties on your behalf whether you ask them to or not. You are also only allowed to turn one property down according to the woman at the housing I spoke to last week.

You can get priority because of neighbours but it has to be bad and it has to be proven. Give them ring and they will explain it to you or write to them detailing what problems you are having.

lacey983
11-02-2007, 15:01
http://www.sheffieldhomes.org.uk/finding-a-new-home/council-housing/lettings-policy

The lettings policy is shown in the link above but it is a pdf file, and I cant figure how to cut and paste from it, scroll down the page to find download. It says if it is felt that rehousing is necessary it will be dealt with as a special case priority. It does not say if this applies just to council tenants or to other tenants of social landlords as well. It gives a list of Immediate Priorities which include things like homelessness, domestic abuse, racial and other harassment of council tenants, but also lists anti social behaviour and special cases.

Anyone shed any light on this?

you will have to keep a log of events, write everything down and gather as much evidence as you can, the council likes you to go for mediation, they might put in a security camera if they take it all seriously , it is hard to get them to move you though, if it was me i'd just cut my losses and exchange, as this whole thing can really drag you under after time, i feel for you as this kind of c**p you just dont need .

Ms Macbeth
11-02-2007, 15:18
Yellowrose, have you spoken to your Housing Association about the problems? I think that would be the first thing you would be asked if you approach the council or Sheffield Homes.

If your landlord was Sheffield Homes, as lacey says, they would require you to log all incidents and would look at mediation, then perhaps take action against your neighours. Only if harassment was very severe and had put you/your family in danger would you be likely to get help to move, and that could be temporary accommodation? However, its unlikely that would apply to non-council tenants.

There isn't a simple solution unfortunately, doesn't matter whether you rent, or own your own home, your neighbours are a lottery!

kay_cee
11-02-2007, 15:52
Yellowrose;

Speaking from experience, you can get 'Priority' from having bad neighbours, but it has to be quite bad and they put you on 'Immediate Priority' which means basically you have to accept anything, anywhere in Sheffield.

As dreadful as our old neighbours were, (threats of physical violence, damage to property etc.) we decided against accepting this form of priority as we felt we ran a high risk of jumping from the proverbial frying pan in to the fire. We managed to get a lower form of priority another way and are now out of that environment, (thank God) very happy and so glad we didn't accept the former, 'quick fix' solution.

All the best.

kay_cee
11-02-2007, 15:56
P.S.
It was a very long winded draining process though, but worth it in the end.

dkhank
11-02-2007, 21:08
Sheffield Housing never offer you anything. They operate a bidding system.

They do offer you one property ( eg priority due to homelessness)If this offer is refused then they will be taken off the priority list! My sister and niece were in this position.

LesleyB
11-02-2007, 22:47
Oh the joys of council housing

I don't qualify for council housing so I rent on the private market

I came home today to find my flat ruined by thoughtless bar stewards living upstairs. They'd got up and found the water was off, so had left tap open and plug in sink and then gone out.

If they'd bothered to get up they might have heard the water board telling everyone that water was going off shortly after 11 am today.

Still doesn't excuse their thoughtless uncaring and selfish actions which mean my living room and work room carpets are both ruined and the wooden hall floor will need to come up as it has soaked up probably more than one hour's worth of mains water flooding through the flat - that doesn't include the damage to plaster and paintwork not the cost of calling out an electrician to fix the bathroom lights and check and empty the consumer unit of water.

I rang the police - they said are you council ... at least you council tenants have back up in the shape of people to come out and gain entry to turn the water off. I have diddly squat.

Look on the bright side - these people above me are care assistants. I am so looking forward to being looked after by such an uncaring bunch as these so and so's I think I'll make sure my will is up to date and that my friends and family all get their share then top myself rather than be shuffled into an old people's home and pay the wages of this bunch.

dkhank
11-02-2007, 23:24
Oh the joys of council housing

I don't qualify for council housing so I rent on the private market

I came home today to find my flat ruined by thoughtless bar stewards living upstairs. They'd got up and found the water was off, so had left tap open and plug in sink and then gone out.

If they'd bothered to get up they might have heard the water board telling everyone that water was going off shortly after 11 am today.

Still doesn't excuse their thoughtless uncaring and selfish actions which mean my living room and work room carpets are both ruined and the wooden hall floor will need to come up as it has soaked up probably more than one hour's worth of mains water flooding through the flat - that doesn't include the damage to plaster and paintwork not the cost of calling out an electrician to fix the bathroom lights and check and empty the consumer unit of water.

I rang the police - they said are you council ... at least you council tenants have back up in the shape of people to come out and gain entry to turn the water off. I have diddly squat.

Look on the bright side - these people above me are care assistants. I am so looking forward to being looked after by such an uncaring bunch as these so and so's I think I'll make sure my will is up to date and that my friends and family all get their share then top myself rather than be shuffled into an old people's home and pay the wages of this bunch.

excuse me! my sister and my niece had to move out from private rented! ( ie couldnt afford) and stopped at my house! the house they were offered under priority meant a s&&t hole! so happy days, a housing association letter came through and they accepted! My sister has enduring tenants above flooding the block, anti social / intimidation/ threatening behaviour , leaking ceiling and mold!! She is at present off work with depression!! So thank your self lucky you do not qualify for council housing/ social housing!!!!!!!!

Umeeksk
12-02-2007, 10:05
Basically, the answer to your question is yes - you can be re-housed if you have a serious problem with your neighbours. However, it can be very difficult as it comes down to a matter of proving that there is a problem!

My advice:

1) Make sure you submit an official complaint in writing to the local housing office, and keep a copy along with a record of when you sent it. (E-mail is a good way to do this)
2) If you do send e-mails, try to include your local councillors as a CC so they know you mean business!
3) Keep a diary of everything that happens with your neighbour to use as evidence.
4) If your neighbour is doing anything criminal, make sure you involve the police and keep them updated each time it happens! Again, try to correspond in writing and keep copies.

If there is a serious problem I and the local Lib Dem team would be happy to offer you support and advice. Just send me a PM if you want to discuss this further!

Joe

Ms Macbeth
12-02-2007, 16:54
excuse me! my sister and my niece had to move out from private rented! ( ie couldnt afford) and stopped at my house! the house they were offered under priority meant a s&&t hole! so happy days, a housing association letter came through and they accepted! My sister has enduring tenants above flooding the block, anti social / intimidation/ threatening behaviour , leaking ceiling and mold!! She is at present off work with depression!! So thank your self lucky you do not qualify for council housing/ social housing!!!!!!!!

Unfortunately many council properties that haven't been modernised aren't in great condition, but the Decent Homes improvements will make a big difference. Lots of council tenants take great care of their homes, the main problems arise when some people living in these houses don't look after them, or don't care about their neighbours quality of life. Your sister obviously lived beside some of them. I would point out though - if she is in housing association property now, it should be reasonable, as most h.a. homes are much newer than council ones although they are all classed as 'social housing'.

fox20thc
12-02-2007, 16:59
and if you want an idea of the decent homes improvements please feel free to take a look at my soon to be lovely kitchen :D

sugartip
12-02-2007, 20:59
after reading all the posts on priority housing, i just thorught ied let you know after been on the rehousing list for 10 years i still was not aloud a priority move even though i was a witness to a shooting on my frount door step, then a few weeks later my next door but 3 neighbour was stabbed 27 times. he was also knocked back for priorty housing. so you see in this day and age 10 years points and all the crap we put up with is still not good enought to move good people in nice homes. what is the wourld coming too

Ms Macbeth
13-02-2007, 05:56
after reading all the posts on priority housing, i just thorught ied let you know after been on the rehousing list for 10 years i still was not aloud a priority move even though i was a witness to a shooting on my frount door step, then a few weeks later my next door but 3 neighbour was stabbed 27 times. he was also knocked back for priorty housing. so you see in this day and age 10 years points and all the crap we put up with is still not good enought to move good people in nice homes. what is the wourld coming too

Waiting time and priority are very different things. If you have 10 years waiting time you can use it to bid for properties, and although it seems like a lot of time, some people have a lot more. I think it depends on what area and type of property you bid on. Also only 25% of council housing is available for people with waiting time. The rest is for priority cases, such as homeless families etc.

When someone wants priority, each case is assessed individually. Although in my experience lots of people think they should get a move when there are problems where they live, most housing organisations will take steps to sort out the problem rather than move someone who has done nothing wrong. Sometimes priority is given to move to a bigger house, but some people who get it want to use it to move to the bigger house, but in what they think is a better area. The point of that priority being given is to give them enough room for the size of their family, but not to move to a different area. Social housing is in such short supply now that when someone gets priority they obviously need to move quickly when something suitable becomes available. No point in waiting for a specific area as maybe no houses will come empty there. Social housing exists nowadays mainly to house people who for one reason or another can't get other types of housing.

I obviously don't know the individual circumstances of you or your neighbour - if the person who attacked your neighbour is still living beside him, or the person doing the shooting still lives near you, then carry on trying to get some help to get things sorted. If these problems no longer exist then why would either your neighbour or you need to move?

Eleke95
13-02-2007, 06:06
Sheffield Housing never offer you anything. They operate a bidding system.

If you are classed as priority, they can offer you something without you bidding. We were told on Friday that my mum is priority due to mobility and she should be expecting to move within 13 weeks. She was told to carry on bidding for properties but if they see something suitable for her in the chosen area, they would contact her also.

Yellowrose
14-02-2007, 18:34
Yellowrose, have you spoken to your Housing Association about the problems? I think that would be the first thing you would be asked if you approach the council or Sheffield Homes.

If your landlord was Sheffield Homes, as lacey says, they would require you to log all incidents and would look at mediation, then perhaps take action against your neighours. Only if harassment was very severe and had put you/your family in danger would you be likely to get help to move, and that could be temporary accommodation? However, its unlikely that would apply to non-council tenants.

There isn't a simple solution unfortunately, doesn't matter whether you rent, or own your own home, your neighbours are a lottery!

Done this, spoken to Housing Association, kept a diary log, filled it in. Its not my immediate neighbours BTW just some little scrotes making our life a misery. The HA gives them warnings, and they dont bother us for a bit, then it starts again. I am obviously continuing to monitor and record.

Ms Macbeth
17-02-2007, 18:21
Done this, spoken to Housing Association, kept a diary log, filled it in. Its not my immediate neighbours BTW just some little scrotes making our life a misery. The HA gives them warnings, and they dont bother us for a bit, then it starts again. I am obviously continuing to monitor and record.

I suppose you just have to keep recording problems and communicating with the HA. Its such a shame, I've been reading your posts for ages about trying to get a move to a bigger house, I was so pleased when you did - but its not working out so well is it? I hope things turn round for you - I know how distressing anti social behaviour is, and how difficult it is to get proof. Is anyone on your estate in touch with the Community Safety Officers who work with the police in this area? Just asking in case they aren't aware of the issues there.

Yellowrose
21-02-2007, 18:04
Thanks, Macbeth.
Ive spoken to Community Policemen and they gave me diary sheets too. But filling in two lots is too much, so Im just doing the HA ones and photocopying them. If things escalate I will get in touch with the police. But I dont know if the community safety officers just do council houses? do you?

I heard on the grapevine that a certain family was given their final warning last week, but dont know if this will do anything.

BTW just been re-reading this as my daughter is having housing problems!

Yellowrose
22-02-2007, 20:29
Does anyone know if community safety officers just do council estates or certain areas? Can anyone contact them?

Yellowrose
22-02-2007, 20:31
QUOTE LESLEY B "Oh the joys of council housing

I don't qualify for council housing so I rent on the private market "

I thought anyone these days could apply for council housing now there is the bidding process. You probably will be waiting 15 years but Im sure you can go on the list. Mind you, you probably wont want to.

Yellowrose
22-02-2007, 20:49
Basically, the answer to your question is yes - you can be re-housed if you have a serious problem with your neighbours. However, it can be very difficult as it comes down to a matter of proving that there is a problem!

My advice:

1) Make sure you submit an official complaint in writing to the local housing office, and keep a copy along with a record of when you sent it. (E-mail is a good way to do this)
2) If you do send e-mails, try to include your local councillors as a CC so they know you mean business!
3) Keep a diary of everything that happens with your neighbour to use as evidence.
4) If your neighbour is doing anything criminal, make sure you involve the police and keep them updated each time it happens! Again, try to correspond in writing and keep copies.

If there is a serious problem I and the local Lib Dem team would be happy to offer you support and advice. Just send me a PM if you want to discuss this further!

Joe


I have written to my local councillors today, but I was puzzled when I was told I was in the Stannington ward. The council committee secretary told me my councillors were Vicky Priestley, David Baker and Arthur Dunworth. I have written to them on the basis that I would like something sorted out for these kids eg somewhere to play where they wont bother anyone, because I think thats the best way at the moment.

I also sent you a PM a couple of days ago.

Ste310
22-02-2007, 21:51
I've had a lot of bad experience with the council. Nobody get's anything anymore 'cos they're too busy knocking down properties and having to give those people priority!! I mean, it's only right...they can't leave people homeless, but then why not just STOP MAKING THEM HOMELESS and give someone else a chance?!..grrr! Sorry..I just think the whole 'bidding' system is a farce!