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Draggletail 08-10-2004, 17:29 Are you a vegetarian? Or a confirmed meat eater? Or maybe you are thinking about 'going vege?'
Personally, I haven't eaten meat or 'fowl' for years. I was even vegan for 18 months :shocked:
After the first eight years of being veggie, I did start to eat fish a little though, and I still do.
which means I am no longer a vegetarian, of course.
alchresearch 08-10-2004, 17:42 I don't think you should be called a vegetarian if you eat fish.
Draggletail 08-10-2004, 17:46 Thats why the poll says I WOULD be a vegetarian, but I eat fish, Alch
:D
Raychul69 08-10-2004, 17:47 Can you be classed as a vegetarian if you only eat meat thats died of natural causes??
I would never have eaten my dog sandy i'f I'd had to slaughter her first :D
A.B.Yaffle 08-10-2004, 17:49 I'm a veggie, even though it means I have to abstain from my beloved marsh mallows! I still haven't found anywhere in the UK that sells veggie marsh mallows :cry:
alchresearch 08-10-2004, 17:53 Originally posted by draggletail
Thats why the poll says I WOULD be a vegetarian, but I eat fish, Alch
:D
I wasn't directly referring to you, but the people out there who claim to be vegetarian but eat fish and / or chicken!
Draggletail 08-10-2004, 18:01 Originally posted by alchresearch
I wasn't directly referring to you, but the people out there who claim to be vegetarian but eat fish and / or chicken!
Yes, we had a friend who claimed to be a vegetarian, then got out a ham sandwich to eat. :hihi:
Draggletail 08-10-2004, 19:48 MODS: Can you change the poll title to 'Are you a vegetarian or a meat eater' please?:thumbsup:
There is an option in the poll to reply 'I am a meat eater.' Ta!
I've got nothing against Vegans. Just can't afford the plastic surgery to have pointed ears.
Lettuce and Tomatoes have feelings too......they just don't scream as loud:gag:
Sam Miguel 08-10-2004, 20:28 Personally, I just eat what I fancy. Whether it was once frolicking around a field before I got the opportunity to knock it back with fresh mint sauce, is completely irrelevant to me.
I eat fish, I eat meat, I eat veg and am hopelessly addicted to fruit of which I normally consume around five pieces per day.
But give me a cow, a pig, a chicken or even a goat, and I'll more than willingly gratify my gastronomic cravings at its expense.
Smashing.
FairyNormal 08-10-2004, 22:10 I was a vegetarian for about 8 years until last October. My daughter was a veggi but decided to eat meat a few years ago and that was her choice. My son, now aged 7, was raised as a vegan. This wasn't a moral stance, but was purely because he had various allergies including dairy produce and eggs. His diet was very varied and extremely healthy and he was perfectly satisfied with it.
I'm not sure why I started eating meat again. I had been thinking about it for a while and finally succumbed to some Jamaican Chicken at a friends wake last year! Maybe some of it was because I had a meat eating partner. I just began to crave meat and decided that in moderation it was ok. We still don't eat that much meat and do still eat a lot of vegetarian things.
carcrash 08-10-2004, 22:14 I've been veggie for years.
Sorry i aint a veggie, i like my meat far too much.
Makes me laugh when someone says i am a veggie but i eat fish :loopy: :loopy: :loopy: surely your not a veggie then???
I'm a veggie, and i don't eat fish... i even had to give up mints, which i love... oh well!
Draggletail 08-10-2004, 23:31 Originally posted by Snook
I'm a veggie, and i don't eat fish... i even had to give up mints, which i love... oh well!
Gelatine, Snook? :(
Originally posted by draggletail
Gelatine, Snook? :(
Yep, and i was pretty addicted to mints too... but i just can't eat them, might as well have a steak if you are gonna do that.
Draggletail 08-10-2004, 23:46 Any ethical considerations on this, folks?
For instance, I new someone in the early eighties, a long term, commited vegan who worked as a self employed photographer. He was also a great hillwalker. He went far and wide to get good quality non leather walking boots (more tricky back then) but had to come to terms with the fact that the photographic film he used in his camera containe gelatine, and therefore was not vegan or vegetarian.
Originally posted by Patchy
I'm a veggie, even though it means I have to abstain from my beloved marsh mallows! I still haven't found anywhere in the UK that sells veggie marsh mallows :cry:
Marshmallows, what on earth is in a marshmallow? I've never thought about it but I assumed it was all sugar? l thought they were fat free? But they must have something in them as why do they burst into flames so easily when you toast them over a camp fire?
I have been veggies for years, have tried to be vegan but find it really hard to give up cows milk and cheese, but Beanies in Crookes valley has all this yummy vegan food so maybe I will try again one day.
Draggletail 09-10-2004, 11:58 I lasted as a vegan for 18 months. It was the cheese and milk that scuppered me, too:(
I've always been told by vegetarian friends that bacon sandwiches were the hard things to give up.
I've gone through periods of cutting back on meat but I'd find it very difficult to not eat meat. I'd also have to deal with the hypocrisy of leather shoes, leather jackets, gelatine, milk, eggs, Bovril - I'd have such a lifestyle jolt that it would scare me rigid!
I'm also a total hypocrite because I doubt I could actually kill an animal to eat it. Maybe a fish, but that's about it.
Joe
A.B.Yaffle 09-10-2004, 13:19 Marshmallows always seem to contain gelatine.
Many mints are veggie now though... they even stopped putting gelatine in polos after the mad cow panic!:thumbsup:
Before we moved to Sheffield, we were the only outcasts in a group of veggies, which was a little surreal! This thread was hotly debated around many a pub table almost monthly, as some ate fish, some had eaten burgers (in lieu of anything else) at the demolition of the Berlin wall, but I tolerated all of the finger pointing until, one christmas, nearly all of them turned up in new leather jackets!! :huh:
I wasn't very popular when I pointed out that, 'No, they're not a byproduct of me eating meat. My meat was a by product of their jackets!'
I've got enough food problems I didn't choose, without enforcing more on myself, thanks. Many people mistake me for a veggie tho, 'coz I often prefer non-meat dishes.
Draggletail 09-10-2004, 16:27 Originally posted by Strix
Before we moved to Sheffield, we were the only outcasts in a group of veggies, which was a little surreal! This thread was hotly debated around many a pub table almost monthly, as some ate fish, some had eaten burgers (in lieu of anything else) at the demolition of the Berlin wall, but I tolerated all of the finger pointing until, one christmas, nearly all of them turned up in new leather jackets!! :huh:
Way back, it was more likely to be the veggies that got the finger pointing from the meat eaters!
Must admit though, even when I was vegan I was not out to criticise or convert the carnivores. For me, it was just something I felt was right to do for myself. If anyone asked why I didn't eat meat, would just explain how I felt about it and leave it at that. The leather shoes issue is a common line of defense from a carnivore who feels threatened or got at by a veggie, though:D :D
Originally posted by draggletail
The leather shoes issue is a common line of defense from a carnivore who feels threatened or got at by a veggie, though:D :D
The most balanced member of our crew (who didn't have a new jacket that christmas, and didn't ram vegeterianism down other's throats) bought a motorbike and a kevlar jacket. He admitted to a hankering for a proper biker's jacket. I explained my pet principle for favouring renewable resources, and therefore natural fabrics (eg leather). He bought a second hand leather biker's jacket :thumbsup:
Draggletail 29-07-2005, 00:37 The 'Dispatches' programme on TV tonight prompted me to 'bump' this thread.
That, plus the fact that approximately another 9000 people have registered on the Forum since I first posted it ....:o
I was a vegetarian for about 3 months when I was 10 years old. We took a class trip to a slaughter house and saw them process cattle from live animal to hamburger. I had a hard time dealing with the memory of watching terrified cattle looking out at us as they were killed and then immediatly disected. At that point I swore off all meat. However, three months later I could not resist the bacon sandwich that my mother put in front of me and ordered me to eat. :gag:
Draggletail 29-07-2005, 01:08 Hi Chicago, I reckon a lot of people would have trouble with the 'harsh reality' of the meat industry if they came face to face with it....
DragonofAna 29-07-2005, 06:30 I am a meat eater who will eat just about anything these days, but I have to wonder how many people would be maet eaters today if they had to kill the animals they eat? I would have a serious problem with that.
Another dilemma I find myself in is that due to my faith I am not allowed to harm an animal or to cause an animal to be harmed. I should give up meat but that same faith states that I must take care of the land and do no harm to it - so not knowing how much pain a plant actually feels or the repercussions of eating vegetables - what am I to do ;)
But yes - meat. It tastes good.
Dragon
we debate this frequently at home,some of my family abstain from certain types of meat 'cos it once ran around the field @ spring time or becasue we keep them as pets. horse/dog/guinea pig/rabbit etc.
if needed though i honestly wouldn't have a problem providing if we were ever stranded on a desert island without food.
DragonofAna 29-07-2005, 07:04 If you are stranded on a desert island without food then how can you provide? And if you are on a desert island then there must also be food there.
Its easy to say you could kill another animal but actually doing it is something completely different. If my family were starving then I could do it, but it would not be easy, and in this day and age where dead animal is so readily available - not a problem and probably an aspect we do not need to concern ourselves about.
The only way we could get my little girl to eat anything other than sweets was to tell her it was dead animal. Yep - even vegetables. She would not eat them unless we said "Its dead animal" which was lying (brings in another thread there from not long ago) but at least it got her to eat a balanced diet.
Dragon
fully with you their dragon - however i have done it so it is just a mental attitude thing.
nothing big but i'm sure it feels the same regardless of size.
i think u get the jist about being stranded really!!
JonJParr 29-07-2005, 07:27 I'm not vegetarian; there's much pleasure to be derived from cooking, preparing and eating a gorgeous piece of Chateaubriand fillet steak.
Whilst I can see why people object to eating meat and the killing of animals for food I think it's a fact of life - something that's going to happen whether I continue to eat meat or not. More important to me than the actual process of killing the animal are the conditions in which they're kept whilst alive. That's why I only buy free range eggs, corn-fed free range chicken, wild salmon and organic red meat if I can. The welfare of the animal whilst it's alive is very important to me and although I have to pay a bit more I feel it's my way of saying that I object to the cruelness of keeping an animal caged for it's entire life.
Some vegetarians may say that I should go further and stop eating meat full stop. That would be difficult for me. As someone who has a passion for good food and ingredients meat is a staple, crucial flavour.
Some of the vegetarians I know have a tendency to be melodramatic and self-righteous. I'm not forcing my beliefs about meat down their throat and trying to change their eating habits so what gives them the right to question mine? And what's all this nonsense about, "I'm a vegetarian but I eat fish" - it's so hypocritical!
Rubysoho 29-07-2005, 07:35 Originally posted by Patchy
I'm a veggie, even though it means I have to abstain from my beloved marsh mallows! I still haven't found anywhere in the UK that sells veggie marsh mallows :cry:
Voila!!! (http://www.veganstore.co.uk/vegan_supreme_marshmallows.html)
Veggie Marshmallows!!! (although they are a bit pricey :( )
Meat is good.
Steak is good.
Pork is good.
Bacon is good.
Lamb ..........
Originally posted by Rubysoho
Voila!!! (http://www.veganstore.co.uk/vegan_supreme_marshmallows.html)
Veggie Marshmallows!!! (although they are a bit pricey :( )
That is fantastic, I love to hate what are often extremists about not eating a Cadburys mini-egg because it might contain half a gram of gelatine.
Nothing more than a matter of conscience really is it ?
"A pig has never died for me, but I am willing to use petrol, rubber etc... "
:suspect:
cgksheff 29-07-2005, 08:03 I have a relative who is eats no meat or fish for no other reason than he does not like it or like the thought of it.
Cheese & eggs are no problem.
He describes his diet as vegetarian but chooses not to describe himself as vegetarian because of the modern stereotyping that this involves.
Despite this he happily engages in shooting pheasants, rabbits, deer and vermin for sport!
JonJParr 29-07-2005, 08:11 Originally posted by cgksheff
I have a relative who is eats no meat or fish for no other reason than he does not like it or like the thought of it.
Cheese & eggs are no problem.
He describes his diet as vegetarian but chooses not to describe himself as vegetarian because of the modern stereotyping that this involves.
Despite this he happily engages in shooting pheasants, rabbits, deer and vermin for sport!
Don't get me started on vegetarians and vermin.....
Don_Kiddick 29-07-2005, 08:12 I'd draw the line at some of the revolting beasts the French seem to thrive on.
Don_Kiddick 29-07-2005, 08:13 .........But then again, you are what you eat!
there not an option for someone like me !!!
i am not a veggie as i eat chicken and fish. i just don't eat red meat - i know a few peolpe like this and its not for political reasons its just because it doesn't either go down well (as in my case) or they don't like it.
i very much enjoy eating a lot of vegetarian food and see the benefits of it but when it comes down it humans are carnivores and we are at the top of the food chain - we were born to eat meat :D
Originally posted by Lee1979
there not an option for someone like me !!!
i am not a veggie as i eat chicken and fish. i just don't eat red meat - i know a few peolpe like this and its not for political reasons its just because it doesn't either go down well (as in my case) or they don't like it.
Me too! I'm not a vegetarian, but I don't eat red meat simply because I don't like it :)
I'll eat almost anything, but after watching Despatches last night (the chicken farm was horrible) I'm going to be more picky about where meat comes from.
Luckly there is a butcher at Heeley bottom and a good one on London Road, so I might abandon supermarket meat all together.
JonJParr 29-07-2005, 09:00 Originally posted by nick2
I'll eat almost anything, but after watching Despatches last night (the chicken farm was horrible) I'm going to be more picky about where meat comes from.
Luckly there is a butcher at Heeley bottom and a good one on London Road, so I might abandon supermarket meat all together.
I missed that programme Nick - was it informative? Did they say anything about M&S food?
Originally posted by Lee1979
there not an option for someone like me !!!
i am not a veggie as i eat chicken and fish. i just don't eat red meat - i know a few peolpe like this and its not for political reasons its just because it doesn't either go down well (as in my case) or they don't like it.
i very much enjoy eating a lot of vegetarian food and see the benefits of it but when it comes down it humans are carnivores and we are at the top of the food chain - we were born to eat meat :D
actually we are omnivores and would naturally be somewhere in the middle of the food chain. Or do you think you could kill and eat a tiger?
JonJParr 29-07-2005, 09:10 Originally posted by Cyclone
actually we are omnivores and would naturally be somewhere in the middle of the food chain. Or do you think you could kill and eat a tiger?
You could with a gun. The fact that we have guns puts us at the top of the food chain.
Originally posted by JonJParr
I missed that programme Nick - was it informative? Did they say anything about M&S food?
They slated ASDA, Sainsburys, Tesco and Morrisons but they dind't realy tell me anything new, I already know that a beef casserole made by Raymond Blanc will be better than one from ASDA.
I'm not sure if they mentioned M&S, but they get their stuff from tha same places the supermarkets do.
What did suprise me though was the testing of the "healty range" foods that actually turned out to have the same amount of, if not more, fat, sugar and salt than the normal stuff.
The chicken farm was realy horrible. They showed you how to spot chickens in the supermarket that have come from over intensive farms too.
It's on next week, and looks to be more horror stories with ducks this time.
Originally posted by JonJParr
You could with a gun. The fact that we have guns puts us at the top of the food chain.
I don't believe guns are something we evolved, so they have no bearing on where we would "naturally" fit in the food chain, nor whether we are herbivore, omnivore or carnivore.
Originally posted by Cyclone
actually we are omnivores and would naturally be somewhere in the middle of the food chain. Or do you think you could kill and eat a tiger?
A gang of humans could kill a tiger easily I think.
JonJParr 29-07-2005, 10:05 Originally posted by Cyclone
I don't believe guns are something we evolved, so they have no bearing on where we would "naturally" fit in the food chain, nor whether we are herbivore, omnivore or carnivore.
Well they are if you think about it laterally; weapons were developed through the application of knowledge and intelligence. It's almost evolutionary that we have changed our place in the natural order of the planet from being the hunted to becoming the hunters. One can most definitely alter their place within the food chain.
CaptainSwing 29-07-2005, 10:08 Been vegetarian since around the time of The Smiths' Meat is Murder, though I hope the two are not connected ...
If there's one thing I miss, it's fish - used to like a nice halibut steak or a fish supper. I do drink beer without checking whether it's kosher - some sacrifices are too great to make! Ditto cheese when I'm in less civilised parts of the world where they might not know the difference.
As for reasons, well, by now it's pretty much force of habit, though originally I did have the usual reasons. Also feel that the unique thing about humans is that we can transcend our biological nature up to a point, and see things from other sentient beings' points of view (again, up to a point), so that being vegetarian is one way of expressing your humanity. There's a great Taoist parable about this which I'll quote in another post.
Only things which might make me carnivorous are some big catastrophe that would turn us all into survivalists; or if I decided that supporting British food producers was a good enough reason. I do try and get local vegetables as far as possible, and it would be nice if somebody could breed a variety of soya bean that could be grown here (for instance).
I applaud vegans, but it looks as though that's always going to be too much mither for me. Tried wearing plastic or canvas shoes for a long time, but got fed up of having wet or sore-covered feet all the time. I gather that the technology has come on a bit since then, however, and I'd like to try the alternatives to leather, but they seem to be hard to come by in Sheffield, see
http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43359&highlight=vegetarian+shoes
Originally posted by JonJParr
Well they are if you think about it laterally; weapons were developed through the application of knowledge and intelligence. It's almost evolutionary that we have changed our place in the natural order of the planet from being the hunted to becoming the hunters. One can most definitely alter their place within the food chain.
I think we are the exception to the rule. No other species has ever altered it's place through the development of tools.
nick - lets form a gang and you go first then.
I think you'll find that humans were primarily scavengers before the development of tools. I doubt any 'gang' of humans have ever even tried to hunt a tiger.
JonJParr 29-07-2005, 10:11 Originally posted by Cyclone
nick - lets form a gang and you go first then.
I think you'll find that humans were primarily scavengers before the development of tools. I doubt any 'gang' of humans have ever even tried to hunt a tiger.
I bet they would have! They would dig a pit and cover it with foliage then the tiger would step on it and presto fall into the pit. They would then shower it with rocks and throw spears to kill it.
Originally posted by Cyclone
I doubt any 'gang' of humans have ever even tried to hunt a tiger.
Well probably not, they would go for something bigger that had more meat on it, like a buffalo or something.
I saw something on TV where they saying ancient people used to "hunt" by scaring herds of animals of the edge of cliffs, then climb down for the bodies, no tools required.
i'm actually proud to be an omnivore - it let's me sit on the fence. neither one nor the other.
CaptainSwing 29-07-2005, 12:59 Originally posted by CaptainSwing
Also feel that the unique thing about humans is that we can transcend our biological nature up to a point, and see things from other sentient beings' points of view (again, up to a point), so that being vegetarian is one way of expressing your humanity. There's a great Taoist parable about this which I'll quote in another post.
Here it is:
"The Grand Augur, in his ceremonial robes, approached the shambles and thus addressed the pigs:
'How can you object to die? I shall fatten you for three months. I shall discipline myself for ten days and fast for three. I shall strew fine grass, and place you bodily upon a carved sacrificial dish. Does not this satisfy you?'
Then speaking from the pigs' point of view, he continued, 'It is better perhaps after all to live on bran and escape the shambles ...'
'But then', added he, speaking from his own point of view, 'to enjoy honour when alive one would readily die on a war-shield or in the heads-man's basket'.
So he rejected the pigs' point of view and adopted his own point of view. In what sense then was he different from the pigs?"
From the Chuang Tzu (Giles translation), quoted in Bertrand Russell's Mysticism and Logic
JonJParr 29-07-2005, 13:16 Don't you just love a bacon sandwich with HP sauce?
BrainThrust 29-07-2005, 13:25 For the record, I eat pretty much anything edible (and some inedible things).
I'm fairly happy for everyone who chooses to be a vegetarian (whatever extent that is) for moral, biological or simple taste based reasons. We're not the same person and I don't decide for them, in return I'd appreciate that they grant the same respect to me.
I've met way too many militant vegetarians who go on about meat being murder and how I am wrong. Well, eating meat requires killing, I agree but I'm not taking pleasure in saying 'Animals died so I might live, mwhahahaha' , I just like the taste and from my lazy perspective, animal protein takes the least amount of energy to make into protein I need.
So yeah, I'm gonna eat meat, those who try to shame me not into eating it saying 'you wouldn't eat it if you had to kill it' don't know me. I've killed chickens, pigs and various game for food. What I do object to is this factory farming of animals solely for food. When you don't respect the animal and aren't thankful for the food, simply seeing it as profit, thats where it becomes nasty.
Still, eating something you've given a name to isn't especially something I think about, I think there has to be a line between a pet and an animal for food, otherwise thats pretty traumatic.
Wilf
Originally posted by JonJParr
Don't you just love a bacon sandwich with HP sauce?
Yeah, but it has to be made with two doorsteps of white bread which might be dipped in the frying pan too.
Originally posted by JonJParr
I bet they would have! They would dig a pit and cover it with foliage then the tiger would step on it and presto fall into the pit. They would then shower it with rocks and throw spears to kill it.
don't you count a spade as a tool?
And how stupid is this tiger, a tiger that dumb deserves to be eaten.
Don_Kiddick 29-07-2005, 15:25 I think you're floggin a dead hoss here cyclone.
Which is handy cos Im that hungry I could just eat one :thumbsup:
pete_jim 29-07-2005, 15:27 We used to have a cafe/diner and did loads of breakfasts, some of the combinations people came up with. Ugh.
I used to like the militant veggies who stood in the queue for ages refusing to look at the menu whilst waiting to be served then announce loudly 'I'm a vegetarian what can you do for me?', how I had to bite my tongue sometimes.
We had six types of cheese, jam, marmalade, peanut butter, avocado, roast tomatoes, honey, every conceivable type of salad ingredient, walnuts, dried fruits, roast vegetables, home made hummus, four out of five days we did veggie soup more often than not vegan too. We even did tofu which in the early 90's was quite revolutionary. You could reel all this off and suggest endless combinations all of which would be dismissed by the most militant of them for some reason or other. One customer said after I'd suggested several things "but I'm an angry vegetarian (?whatever that was) and I don't eat wheat". I stifled the urge to ask if it was because it rhymed with meat and offered to put the ingredients into a salad box for her. She turned to long suffering boyfriend and said "I'm not hungry anyway" and off she went.
Originally posted by Don_Kiddick
I think you're floggin a dead hoss here cyclone.
Which is handy cos Im that hungry I could just eat one :thumbsup:
it's blatant speciesism going on. I'm a human therefore humans must be at the top of the food chain.
Actually no, we are scavengers or would be were our ability to make tools taken away from us. We might catch smaller mammals, but most of the time we'd steal a bit from the decent killers, or we'd take something that had just died. Or we'd browse on fruit, nuts and berries.
That's when we weren't running away from hungry tigers, bears, wolves, and the like. :thumbsup:
Originally posted by Cyclone
That's when we weren't running away from hungry tigers, bears, wolves, and the like. :thumbsup:
But those animals don't actively hunt us, they usually leg-it if you wave your arms about and shout.
Don_Kiddick 29-07-2005, 15:40 Originally posted by Cyclone
we are scavengers or would be were our ability to make tools taken away from us.
But that is purely a hypothetical argument for the sake of arguing.
It could never happen .
Dead horse burger anyone? :P
I was a Health & Safety officer about 15 years ago and was sent to investigate slaughterhouse workers accidentally slashing themselves - I've been vegan since.
To see the reality of a line of barely grown cows driven in one end of the factory, being shot in the head by rednecks, disembowelled, drained and hung on a hook next to their own steaming innards, it's the stuff of nightmares.
I don't know anyone (sane) who goes around preaching about being veggie but I know plenty of people (sane) who are antagonistic to veggies, whats that all about Sigmund?
Don_Kiddick 29-07-2005, 15:53 I did go veggie once for about 4 months after going to a post mortem. The smell was the same as a butchers shop. :gag:
Even cooked meat carried the 'taste'...
I'm better now. Banger anyone :P mmmm
Draggletail 29-07-2005, 17:15 We've just got back from Tesco on Ecclesall Rd (6pm) - the chiller cabinets well over stocked with chicken.
- think it was anything to do with last nights 'Dispatches' programme ;)
Oh well, people have short memories. They'll soon forget :roll:
Originally posted by nick2
But those animals don't actively hunt us, they usually leg-it if you wave your arms about and shout.
ermm, yeah, try that with a bear.
melthebell 29-07-2005, 18:22 ive been veggie almost 20 years........ALTHOUGH i do eat fish these days :( as i started eating it a bit cos i got a bad stomach cos of my heavy drinking days......acid indigestion
Don_Kiddick 29-07-2005, 18:22 would you run - with a bear behind? :hihi:
InvalidUser 29-07-2005, 22:44 Originally posted by Norbert
To see the reality of a line of barely grown cows driven in one end of the factory, being shot in the head by rednecks, disembowelled, drained and hung on a hook next to their own steaming innards, it's the stuff of nightmares.
<homer>MMmmmmmmm, Beef.....:P</homer>
I like veggies, more meat for the rest of us... Lovely.
Is that McDonalds at Woodall services still open all night?
I have been a veggie since the age of 14 around the time of the BSE crisis, i'd never really liked meat that much anyway except chicken. At first i was a bit militant ie going on at people about slaughter houses etc. I soon learned that there isn't much point in that. Now i tend to stick to the everyone should do what they want and respect everyone elses chioce point of view.
However it's hard not to be a little smug when these food scares come along especially to some people who i have met have been a little ignorant towards vegetarians.
Plus the stupidest thing i have ever been told:
"your not a proper vegetarian cause your boyfriend isn't a vegetarian and you must get meat in your mouth when you kiss":loopy: :loopy: :loopy:
Originally posted by Cyclone
it's blatant speciesism going on. I'm a human therefore humans must be at the top of the food chain.
Actually no, we are scavengers or would be were our ability to make tools taken away from us. We might catch smaller mammals, but most of the time we'd steal a bit from the decent killers, or we'd take something that had just died. Or we'd browse on fruit, nuts and berries.
That's when we weren't running away from hungry tigers, bears, wolves, and the like. :thumbsup:
I would like to support your argument here to be honest, but does seem quite far fetched.
Based on many variables, we might not have, but do actually exist reasonably succesfully.
Story is, we control the food chain.
I did go vegetarian for over a year this,was to see if i like it liveing with out meat,But now i eat meat again and i probly may change back to a veggie.It depends on my mood of food.I can go with out one food to the other.I got to admit i did not miss meat when i did it for a year but i did find when goin out on an night out that it was hard to find food not cooked in animal fats or non meat food.
Don_Kiddick 30-07-2005, 08:00 Originally posted by Sal22
Plus the stupidest thing i have ever been told:
"your not a proper vegetarian cause your boyfriend isn't a vegetarian and you must get meat in your mouth when you kiss":loopy: :loopy: :loopy:
You don't have to swallow though :hihi:
Vegetarians of sheffield unite in sympathy....
After more than a decade of strict non-meat eating, I was violated this weekend.... orally.... by a chicken!
It all started innocently enough. I was browsing the stalls at Edinburgh farmers market when I came across one of my favourites - the fishmongers. It always has lots of tasty organic Scottish salmon for people to try, so I got stuck into some of the samples.
Then I spotted a plateful of 'white fish', so decided to try a bit of that too.
Mmmmmmm, I thought. That's lovely. So I decided to ask the stall holder what it was, with a view to buying some for tea.
"That's chicken love," he replied, brandishing a dead bird at me. "We're selling a few for a friend. Do you want one?"
Needless to say I went very green, politely made my excuses, and did a runner. I suppose it serves me right for being a fish-eating veggie, perhaps it's a sign from The Man Upstairs that it's time to quit snacking on my ocean-bound friends too.
What bothered me most about the incident though, was not eating the chicken (it was an innocent mistake), but that fact that I actually enjoyed it.
:gag: :gag:
Draggletail 02-08-2005, 14:24 I can sympathise, JBee. A while back, I asked for a cheese and vegetable pasty to take out. After I had absent mindedly eaten two mouthfuls, thinking it was a bit strange, I bit on something strange and chewy and...... gristly.
In fact it was gristle. The berk in the shop had sold me a cornish pasty :(
I marched back into the shop 'you sold me meat - I haven't eaten meat for years' I said.
The guy went a bit red and gave me a refund :rolleyes:
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