The hardest part is how to start this thread.
Lets see,, If your sons partner refuses to bring her Son, who is my Sons Son and my Grandson do Grandparents have a right to take the matter to court for access.

I remember some new law coming out in the last year or so about this subject.
Anybody got any clues to wether this is correct.

I believe you do have a right to do that...the question is do you really want all that anemosity (sp?).

Moon

Hi being a grandparent & been through a simular situation,we mangaed to sort things out,with our grandson's mother.Here is a sight which may help.www.societyguardian.co.uk.It may have tips to help or check with the CAB.cheers

i'd be very surprised if the law gives grandparents any right of access. Can't your son sort his partner out, it's his child as well.

The thing is Cyclone,if both partners split on good terms then things can be sorted,but as you know with the Fathers Rights Campaign having trouble.If they do not split on amicable terms,then the Father gets shafted.Why should a Father have to go through all the crap the law says they have to.My argument has always been, without the Fathers sperm .No Baby.Fathers & Grandparents should have rights,because most Grandparents look after there grandchildren while the parents or parent works.Some Women use there children as bargaining tools to get there own way.I also beleive that all Fathers should pay & accept responsibility for there own children,not only finacially but with the childs upbringing.Our late sons partner seems to use our grandson in this way & even though we get angry we like many others have to bite our tongues,so we can see our children or grandchildren.

Yes, I agree, the grandparents do have rights and play a key role in the upbringing of their grandchildren. I think it is very cruel to keep children away from their grandparents - unless of course there has been abuse.

Originally posted by tosh13
If they do not split on amicable terms,then the Father gets shafted.
Some Women use there children as bargaining tools to get there own way.

Theres no split between them its a case as you have hit the nail on the head, she's using him as a bargaining tool.
Now problem is with her, without going into un-needed detail if she does'nt get her own way then its a case you do not get to see her Son.
Now its only been a fortnight and I really don't want to invite her here for a reason but no mum, no Grandchild and my Sons forbidden to bring him.
I can see he does not want to cause a scene at his home and I fully support him on that as he has to live with her.
But her parents get constant access on a daily basis and I suspect that they encourage her on this so it would be a waste of time talking to them.
Mainly I am trying to find out if I have any rights before I start spending hard earned money on a solicitor and slapping a court order on her table.

Originally posted by Cycleracer
Theres no split between them its a case as you have hit the nail on the head, she's using him as a bargaining tool.
Now problem is with her, without going into un-needed detail if she does'nt get her own way then its a case you do not get to see her Son.
Now its only been a fortnight and I really don't want to invite her here for a reason but no mum, no Grandchild and my Sons forbidden to bring him.
I can see he does not want to cause a scene at his home and I fully support him on that as he has to live with her.
But her parents get constant access on a daily basis and I suspect that they encourage her on this so it would be a waste of time talking to them.
Mainly I am trying to find out if I have any rights before I start spending hard earned money on a solicitor and slapping a court order on her table. Hi C how old is the child if you don't mind me asking,it is grossly unfair that her parents see your child & not you & your family.Ring the CAB & they can help with regards to the law & if you can mediate & sort it out without the involvment of a solicitor.

Originally posted by tosh13
Hi C how old is the child if you don't mind me asking,it is grossly unfair that her parents see your child & not you & your family.Ring the CAB & they can help with regards to the law & if you can mediate & sort it out without the involvment of a solicitor. He is a 3 months old and to be honest I knew this would happen.
I won't be black mailed and I won't grit my teeth having her presence just to see the grandson.
I mean business, if I don't get access then the law will get involved and thats that.

if your son has any backbone there's no way he will put up with this. Talk to him about it, if it was me (i am someones son) I would be disgusted at my partner and have it out with them, scene be damned.

You do have rights to a certain amount of access, although this may just be in the form of letter writing (from you - not him) as the courts highly favour children maintaining links with their biological family.

Even if you find it hard you should try to abide by what the childs mother wants - if you do this as amicably as possible in time things will settle down. And if the child is only 3 months old she will still be getting used to things so you need to give her time.
I wouldn't try and see the baby without her there I reckon you would have no chance.

i'm puzzled why the childs mother should have more of a say in the matter than the childs father as that's what you seem to be implying elf?

I understand your anger Cycleracer,but you need to keep a clear head to get things sorted.Like I said in previous posts contact your local CAB & they may be able to help.Our grandson's mother is much the same but we have to bite our tongue or we would never see him.It is a awful situation to be in & for those who have never been in this situation cannot understand.Best of luck.

Originally posted by Cyclone
i'm puzzled why the childs mother should have more of a say in the matter than the childs father as that's what you seem to be implying elf? The Mother has all the rights at the moment,that's why the Fathers For Justice are fighting so hard to get seeing rights for there children.It stinks that the Father is treat like a second class citizen,but that's the out dated laws in our country mate.

I don't want to get into the mother vs father rights again, I was just saying that if the mother is stipulating certain rules to the grandparents seeing the child, then for the sake of seeing the grandchild surely it is better just to go along with it for a while.
If the woman is new to parenthood than give a chance for things to settle down, it is quite common for a mother to be really anal with her first new born but it does ease off after a while.
Also all the hormones don't go back to normal for quite a while after the birth.

only if the parents are seperated and the mother has custody, which cycleracer already said wasn't the case here. His son, the father, is still with his wife and thus custody of the child is with both parents, and presumably they still have a relationship, so he should be capable of making her listen to reason.

Originally posted by tosh13
The Mother has all the rights at the moment,that's why the Fathers For Justice are fighting so hard to get seeing rights for there children.It stinks that the Father is treat like a second class citizen,but that's the out dated laws in our country mate.

And how should he make her listen??

Originally posted by tosh13
And how should he make her listen?? Good point Tosh, thats the problem, he's no chance and so thats why I have to stand up myself and deal with it.
Make no mistake, if the law is there I will impliment it, but if it ain't then I'll have to grit the old teeth.

well personally i'd take the approach of sitting her down, and saying words along the line of
"stop being such a weirdo dear, we're going out and taking our child over to my parents, if you don't want to come you just stay here and have a nice cup of tea."
I suppose it depends on the relationship they have, but you did say they were married right cycleracer?

Originally posted by tosh13
And how should he make her listen??

has anyone got any more up to date info on this subject.(Grandparents' rights)

if your son has any backbone there's no way he will put up with this. Talk to him about it, if it was me (i am someones son) I would be disgusted at my partner and have it out with them, scene be damned.My problem is my oldest son has no backbone. This all started when he married the witch from hell. So I've had to watch my two grandkids grow into adults from a distance. They both drive but never come near us, except when they're broke. There is no law here to protect grandparents rights. In any case, even if there was, enforced visits would be very unpleasant for the kids. I have no problem with my younger sons who have kids from 9 year old to 20 months:confused:

The hardest part is how to start this thread.
Lets see,, If your sons partner refuses to bring her Son, who is my Sons Son and my Grandson do Grandparents have a right to take the matter to court for access.

I remember some new law coming out in the last year or so about this subject.
Anybody got any clues to wether this is correct.

as for as i kinow grand parents do not have any rights unless the parents are deceiesd

Google "Rights of grandparents" loads of websites to read

That's how a few of my friends grew up, not being allowed to see their grandparents because of dislike between parent/grandparent. One of them has now gone on and done the same with her own children who can't see her mother.

Old thread, I know, but sounds to me like neither side are blameless, since the OP is basically saying "I won't have that woman in my house" but objecting that she feels the same about her child. I don't think I'd be very keen in her position, either!

The hardest part is how to start this thread.
Lets see,, If your sons partner refuses to bring her Son, who is my Sons Son and my Grandson do Grandparents have a right to take the matter to court for access.

I remember some new law coming out in the last year or so about this subject.
Anybody got any clues to wether this is correct.

Yes, you do have access rights - speak with your son before you proceed though and get him to give the mother a chance to explain herself - I am sure your son will be onside, afterall, you raised him and she doesn't think that he is so bad does she?

as for as i kinow grand parents do not have any rights unless the parents are deceiesd

Deceased, or diseased? It doesn't matter either way though - grandparents do have access rights these days...

The Mother has all the rights at the moment,that's why the Fathers For Justice are fighting so hard to get seeing rights for there children.It stinks that the Father is treat like a second class citizen,but that's the out dated laws in our country mate.

In this situation, the mother and father a a couple who are together... Both parents have equal say, not fair to try and pretend to Paul that his son has less rights when it comes to taking his baby to see his dad... I am guessing you are in a difficult situation through divorce, but this isn't the situation here...