For conspiracy buffs here's a British counterpart to Loose Change: a 40 minute compilation of 7/7 discrepancies, narrated by David Shayler:

Mind the Gap video (http://www.officialconfusion.com/77/mindthegap/Google/mindthegap.html)

It makes you grateful that this self-flagellation didn't happen in 1940, otherwise we'd have lost World War II, and still be living under Nazi rule today.

It's about time someone made some money by making up rubbish related to a national tradegy. The yanks do this so well and we have never really managed to follow in their footsteps.

I didn't watch it all the way through, because it's all been done before. It's not really about 7/7, but more of the same conspiracy theories about 9/11, edited to make it look as though it's about 7/7.

It's become very very boring now, and I can't really see the point of dragging it all up in a separate thread ~ there are plenty of other threads that cover these subjects after all.

Btw, most of our anti-terrorist laws have been in place since the 1970s, but have been tightened up over the decades. Funny thing about all this is that you never heard these bloody conspiracy theories about the IRA bombings.

It makes you grateful that this self-flagellation didn't happen in 1940, otherwise we'd have lost World War II, and still be living under Nazi rule today.
Here here Firecracker.

I didn't watch it all the way through, because it's all been done before. It's not really about 7/7, but more of the same conspiracy theories about 9/11, edited to make it look as though it's about 7/7.

It's become very very boring now, and I can't really see the point of dragging it all up in a separate thread ~ there are plenty of other threads that cover these subjects after all.

The first 5 minutes or so is a reprise of 9/11 related stuff but then it moves on to look at 7/7 specifically. I don't think 7/7 has been scrutinised to anything like the extent 9/11 has.

The first 5 minutes or so is a reprise of 9/11 related stuff but then it moves on to look at 7/7 specifically. I don't think 7/7 has been scrutinised to anything like the extent 9/11 has.

There are good reasons for that. The main one is that it is all very simple, they made bombs from material that was easy to get hold of and set them off on public transport. For 11/9 there was far more of a history and far more damage. People can ask questions such as "How could they take over and fly a 757?" whereas there is little point asking "how could they get on a bus?". Of course the size and complexity of the US attack also means that the hard of thinking struggle to understand the logical answers to all the questions, but the UK attacks were so simplistic that there cannot be such a problem.

Does anyone still take anything David Shayler says seriously? Apart from C4 and other media organisation with their own axes to grind?

Of course the size and complexity of the US attack also means that the hard of thinking struggle to understand the logical answers to all the questions, but the UK attacks were so simplistic that there cannot be such a problem.

Those two video suicide notes by two of the bombers also give you a fairly good idea of who did it.

If anyone has followed the links there is more written material to chew over:

http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/index.html

When two or more people plan to commit a crime, there exists by definition a 'conspiracy'.

Therefore, any theory about who did it, or how it was done, is by definition a 'conspiracy theory'.

The question is then not whether you are a conspiracy theorist, but for which conspiracy theory you find the evidence most compelling.

Purile nonesense. All that happens is that lots of people report things when there is much confusion. Even the police are quoted saying things which later trun out to be wrong, again because things are confused. After the event the various nutjobs can then say "it was reported that ..." and then prove that the reports were wrong. Having proved the reports were wrong they believe they have proved that JFK killed Diana. In fact they have just proved that people get reports wrong and policemen/politicians say things before they have all the facts.

Yet another stupid conspiracy theory.. next they will be telling us that the London bombings never happened and that they were play acted to divert attention from yet more government bad news ;) :D

It is puzzling why the authorities haven't released more of the many CCTV shots which must exist of the bombers making their way from Luton station via King's Cross to the underground trains. This is reminiscent of the dearth of video evidence of the Pentagon attack on 9/11.

Another video (30 mins) focuses on the role 7/7 has played in curtailing civil liberties. The comment is made that 'terrorists cannot take away our freedoms, but our government can':

Ludicrous Diversion video (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4943675105275097719)

We go on about terrorist attacks as a threat but these nutters do not have any regard for life anywhere in the world. Pakistan is suffering even more from these fanatics, and Pakistan is supposidly a muslim country. http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21131903-2703,00.html Only too often we forget who else is on our side and indeed suffering as a result of it.

Infowars Exclusive: 7/7 Bus Bomb Survivor Describes "Agents" At Scene In Immediate Aftermath

Daniel Obachike, the man who was on the lower deck of the number thirty bus that exploded in Tavistock Square in London on 7/7/05, has exclusively provided Infowars with a preview of a new section of his soon to be published narrative, The 4th Bomb.

http://infowars.net/articles/january2007/290107Exclusive.htm

It makes you grateful that this self-flagellation didn't happen in 1940, otherwise we'd have lost World War II, and still be living under Nazi rule today.
What do you mean 'still be living under Nazi rule today'? To the best of my knowledge we never were.

Besides you're fooling yourself if you think there weren't conspiracy theorists back in the 30s there were plenty, Mosley's lot for example, it's just that they didn't have cheap video editing software or the internet to help them make and distribute their lunatic propaganda.

What do you mean 'still be living under Nazi rule today'? To the best of my knowledge we never were.

That's what they would like you to think ...

Infowars Exclusive: 7/7 Bus Bomb Survivor Describes "Agents" At Scene In Immediate Aftermath

Daniel Obachike, the man who was on the lower deck of the number thirty bus that exploded in Tavistock Square in London on 7/7/05, has exclusively provided Infowars with a preview of a new section of his soon to be published narrative, The 4th Bomb.

http://infowars.net/articles/january2007/290107Exclusive.htm

I got this far in the link you provided ....

Last month we detailed how Daniel's forthcoming book will claim that

Enough said I think.

Infowars Exclusive: 7/7 Bus Bomb Survivor Describes "Agents" At Scene In Immediate Aftermath

Interesting - quite spooky in fact.
I hadn't heard of Obachike - which shows what a good job the mainstream 'media' do of keeping us informed. :rolleyes:

There are more titbits here:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/archives/london/index.htm

One thing which has always struck me is how opportune the timing of 7/7 was - coming the day after London was awarded the 2012 Olympics. Had it occurred a day earlier some of the IOC delegates might have shied away from voting for London. (Having said this London was not thought to be the front runner before the final stages of voting). Nevertheless, as a result of the Olympic vote, and the G8 meeting also taking place at Gleneagles the world's attention was firmly on Britain and London. The bombing attacks meant that the Bush/Blair "war on terror" agenda pushed ahead of previously agreed items (such as climate change and debt relief) on the G8 agenda.

I got this far in the link you provided ....

The Prison Planet website says it is "not recommended for sheep". I suggest you find a nice field and go chew some grass. ;)

One thing which has always struck me is how opportune the timing of 7/7 was - coming the day after London was awarded the 2012 Olympics. .


Yes, it can't simply be coincidence that a bomb went off the day after. After all this would mean ...err?

I don't think there is even any evidence that the nutjob who is writing this book was even on the bus.

Yes, it can't simply be coincidence that a bomb went off the day after. After all this would mean ...err?

I don't think there is even any evidence that the nutjob who is writing this book was even on the bus.

It may be a coincidence. I merely remarked that it was opportune.

With regard to your second point, I think it's extremely unlikely that someone would write a book about such a serious event, based on false information. And there's this, which could test your assertion:

Daniel also still has the shirt that he was wearing on the day, which was splattered with the blood of victims. He says the police have never requested it for forensics investigation, despite having questioned him.

It may be a coincidence. I merely remarked that it was opportune.

With regard to your second point, I think it's extremely unlikely that someone would write a book about such a serious event, based on false information. And there's this, which could test your assertion:

I think you missed a few words out. He "says" he has a shirt. Just a nutjob who is jazzing it all up to try and get a book deal, but he is failing.

He "says" he has a shirt.
Which is an assertion which could be tested - unlike your assertions.

Quite what would the Police discover from the "shirt" ?

Quite what would the Police discover from the "shirt" ?

By cross-checking with DNA samples from the victims evidence to support or disprove Ken's claim:

I don't think there is even any evidence that the nutjob who is writing this book was even on the bus.
Nothing substantive beyond that.

By cross-checking with DNA samples from the victims evidence to support or disprove Ken's claim:


Nothing substantive beyond that.

Actually the nutjob claims the blood came from contact with another woman who herself was splashed with the blood of a victim. The blood was therefore third hand.

If you take time to read some of the claptrap on his site you will see that he has some rather interesting voice files which demonstrate that something very sinister happened. One of them is a call from South Yorkshire police asking him for a contact address for his company, but he claims that is about them wanting him to take part in an enquiry. There is also the start of an interview with the Met where they tell him they want to ask him about what happened that day, which normal people might think was well .... normal. Among the other choice snippets is a claim that he went back to the scene where he met a woman who he then dated for some time even after he found out she was from the security services. Nutcase.

Actually the nutjob claims the blood came from contact with another woman who herself was splashed with the blood of a victim. The blood was therefore third hand.

Among the other choice snippets is a claim that he went back to the scene where he met a woman who he then dated for some time even after he found out she was from the security services.

My suggested DNA test would still stand. It would not of course be conclusive evidence that Mr Obachike himself was present at the incident but it would establish his connection with it (from either being in the vicinity or being closely connected to someone who was). It is a pity that the bus CCTV wasn't working:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/150705busbombing.htm

I agree the bits on Obachike's website about dating the secret agent woman and the gas mask at Liverpool St are a bit odd; the other things are not necessarily odd though not particularly informative. One could, if one wished, get confirmation from the police that they had taken a statement from him.

My suggested DNA test would still stand. It would not of course be conclusive evidence that Mr Obachike himself was present at the incident but it would establish his connection with it (from either being in the vicinity or being closely connected to someone who was). It is a pity that the bus CCTV wasn't working:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/150705busbombing.htm

I agree the bits on Obachike's website about dating the secret agent woman and the gas mask at Liverpool St are a bit odd; the other things are not necessarily odd though not particularly informative. One could, if one wished, get confirmation from the police that they had taken a statement from him.

The two nutjobs you quote disagree. The anonymous bus company employee is making something of the fact that the bus was the only one being diverted. Your first nutjob clearly says on his web site that he saw other buses being diverted. I might email them saying I am from the police and did they know that a UFO landed nearby that day, perhaps I can even get a book out of it.

''dating the secret agent woman and the gas mask at Liverpool St are a bit odd;''
- a 'bit odd'? Good grief.