With the latest news and uprawl re: shilpa and the other housemates, has channel 4, and/or the government (or whoever) made a huge mistake...

whats your opinions on tonights result??

Was Shilpa winning, a Fix or not?

I think she has won for all the wrong reasons, simple as.

Hmm, i tried to make this a poll, I got the options, but when I submitted I got a blank screen, why?? :(



**EDIT** Just added poll to thread after i checked it, and its worked :)

Shilpa is stunning and intelligent, no doubt about it. I do however think things would have panned out different had "the Jade" not been introduced into the house.

think you need a 3rd option - who cares!

i normally watch celeb bb, but as this year i genuinely only knew h from steps and jo from s club, i didnt bother watchin it.

i cannot believe that it has received so much coverage on the news etc. i saw the comments that jade etc made towards shilpa, and it was disgraceful but is it really headline news? there are lots of racist people around.

sorry, im just annoyed cos i know for the next month at least all my gossip magazines will be full of jade et al apologising! :( :(

fixed!!!!! didn't they boo when they said her name when it was the last two? They bloody encourage racism sometimes:rant:

cant edit poll and add 3rd.... :(

HAHAHA
i just said to the missus theyred be a torrent of theyve fixed it / its the pc brigades fault crap on here :P

Before anyone starts slagging me for being racist which I am not, don't you think its a fix and a way for Big Brother to save face by letting the Asian lady win after the trouble with the journalist that got kicked out. Sorry I don't know there names due to not watching it but just caught the story on the news.:confused:

Yep its definately a fiddle. The entire things been corrupt since the race row thing so they arent losing much by making it a fixed contest now.

Yes I agree a total fix!!!! Wel can you imagin if Shilpa didnt win? They'd be another argument over race/discrimination for her not winning!!

Hmmmm.....perhaps if you'd watched it you might have believed differently. :)

Merged with similar thread.

Before anyone starts slagging me for being racist which I am not, don't you think its a fix and a way for Big Brother to save face by letting the Asian lady win after the trouble with the journalist that got kicked out. Sorry I don't know there names due to not watching it but just caught the story on the news.:confused:

Well its the public who vote.!!!

Well its the public who vote.!!!

yeah like all them what were booing! :rolleyes:

I have to admit thought that if i had my way she`d win. Shes one bloody gorgeous hunk O woman!

Hmmmm.....perhaps if you'd watched it you might have believed differently. :)

Merged with similar thread.Come on Joe got better things to do than watch people pretending to be normal locked in a dormitory. :thumbsup:

fixed!!!!! didn't they boo when they said her name when it was the last two? They bloody encourage racism sometimes:rant:

Hardly a boo heard.

Jena76, I'm afraid that the antics of Jade, Jo and Danielle showed that racism in some people requires no encouragement.

The last 4 people left in were class acts - civilised human beings - Jade, Jackiey, Danielle, Jo and Jack certainly weren't. Simple as that.

Come on Joe got better things to do than watch people pretending to be normal locked in a dormitory. :thumbsup:

Moderating this place I have to be in touch with the Zeitgeist. :)

Hardly a boo heard.

Jena76, I'm afraid that the antics of Jade, Jo and Danielle showed that racism in some people requires no encouragement.

The last 4 people left in were class acts - civilised human beings - Jade, Jackiey, Danielle, Jo and Jack certainly weren't. Simple as that.

joep could you be going deaf? there were loads of boo's :suspect:

Zeitgeist? Is that a ghost with acne? :D

Big bros big mouth is on now and.... its looking nasty...

joep could you be going deaf? there were loads of boo's :suspect:

I didn't hear a vast number of boos, I'm afraid. And no, despite my age I'm not going deaf. :)

So...did you feel that Danielle and co were more worthy of winning?

I didn't hear a vast number of boos, I'm afraid. And no, despite my age I'm not going deaf. :)

So...did you feel that Danielle and co were more worthy of winning?

no not at all but i thought jermaine and ian were more worthy than shilpa. :)

joep could you be going deaf? there were loads of boo's :suspect:

and loads cheering too???????????

tbh we'll never know if she wouldve won without the "race row"

but i did expect ANDD predict the exact comments on here after she won :)
you people never dissapoint

and loads cheering too???????????

of course but when did you last know a bb winner get so many boo's? :suspect:

I would have been happy with Jermaine, but Shilpa ultimately contributed more. Jermaine was a stabilising influence, but Shilpa was basically teh one who survived the kicking.

Like others have said, had the Goodys not been introduced, I think that Shilpa wouldn't have won.

Yes def a fix, nobody else could have won could they? Watching Russ now he's mmmh, gorgeous ;)

of course but when did you last know a bb winner get so many boo's? :suspect:


Quite frequently - there is always a substantial rent-a-mouth group at the exit shows. I've regarded them as Goodys in training. :)

Justice was done with the placings of the Final 4 - after all she went through, and all she contributed to the prgramme, Shilpa was the worthy winner.

StarSparkle

Thats a good point actually. After all the crap the chavs put her through she deserved to win by default. It appears she was fairly voted to win so...

Ok so because a stunning intresting inteligent individual who was the subject of some nasty bullying which many people thought was unfair and were sympathetic towards her won then it must be a fix ? Ok I see.

Ok so because a stunning intresting inteligent individual who was the subject of some nasty bullying which many people thought was unfair and were sympathetic towards her won then it must be a fix ? Ok I see.
nah it mustve been a fix cos she was *hush* asian
also the darkie came second :D

Yes, it was all fair. Do you really think Chanel 4 would fix the votes after all the trouble this CBB has caused. ? After all who will sponser the next one ?

Yes, it was all fair. Do you really think Chanel 4 would fix the votes after all the trouble this CBB has caused. ? After all who will sponser the next one ?

the bnp?

all pure white anglo saxons


how boring, who'd watch it?

Basically as the argument happened last week the producers had a few calls to say be careful as the press may home in on this and class it as racial, which they did! 3 white girls didnt like 1 black girl, straight away the racist card was played! as people do too quickly! They just didnt like her...end of!

BB was set up as a social experiment and the effects of that we have witnessed so the shouldn't complain.

Carphone warehouse pulled out their deal and BB have started to panic that they wont get support at the next one.

Hench 2 black people being finalist

CON!

Justice was done with the placings of the Final 4 - after all she went through, and all she contributed to the prgramme, Shilpa was the worthy winner.

StarSparkle

She nearly poisoned them all with under cooked chicken!!!

infact the only thing that would have made me think it was a fix would have been if she had not won it was so obvious that she would win

She nearly poisoned them all with under cooked chicken!!!
id have done more than poison the chav tw@s

Yes, it was all fair. Do you really think Chanel 4 would fix the votes after all the trouble this CBB has caused. ? After all who will sponser the next one ?
Channel 4 aren't capable of fixing the vote, it's all done by an external independent company.

There is no question that if Jade and Co. hadn’t acted in the way they had, Shilpa would not have won. However, Shilpa demonstrated that she is an intelligent, funny and sexy woman who was able to overcame adversity within the house. She is just as worthy a winner in my opinion as any other housemate, though personally I would have loved to have seen Jermaine win it.

What a waste of bandwidth
Celebrities my 'arris

She nearly poisoned them all with under cooked chicken!!!

Some dastardly Asian plot, was it? :rolleyes:

Don't be silly

StarSparkle

She nearly poisoned them all with under cooked chicken!!!

That was her only mistake - she should have worked harder to ensure she did poison them. :)

It wasnt a fix. She might not have won if it wasnt for all the crap jade and co did, but it wasnt fixed for her to win.

Some dastardly Asian plot, was it? :rolleyes:

Don't be silly

StarSparkle

I'm not being silly as you put it! Have you ever had food poisoning? Its not nice.

Basically as the argument happened last week the producers had a few calls to say be careful as the press may home in on this and class it as racial, which they did! 3 white girls didnt like 1 black girl, straight away the racist card was played! as people do too quickly! They just didnt like her...end of!

Hench 2 black people being finalist

CON!
So saying someone should “go home” in the context isn’t racist? Or referring to her as Shilpa Poppadom? Jade and Danielle are both very aware what they have done is wrong, hence the apologies they have made.

If you honestly believe two black people made it to the final to placate the racist arguments that have happened then I seriously worry for you. It just so happens that, big surprise coming here, Jermaine and Shilpa were more liked than the other housemates. Wow, who’d have thought that would be possible, us living in a multicultural society and finding a black man and an Indian woman, more likeable than, as Jeremy Clarkson so aptly put it “a racist, pig-faced, waste of blood and organs” and her cronies.

I'm not saying what Jade and others did to her was right, just that she didn't deserve to win.

I don't know the ins and outs of the media regulations, but phone votes of this sort that raise a lot of profit (and in this case, money towards charities) are subject to adjudication and monitoring to keep everything above board and kosher. If the voting was really fixed, people could complain and call for an inquiry, like there was when Nikki was sent back in after people were charged premium rates to get her out. That's how I see it. I can be cynical, but not on this issue.

I'm really pleased with the outcome - I thought the last 4 were in the right order. And whether or not the behaviour from Jade & co was racist, it was nasty in the extreme. The expressions on the faces of Jackiey & Jade weren't something I'd like to experience at close quarters - they really were horrific. Sad to say this type of behaviour seems to be the norm in some parts of British society, anyone who speaks without swearing all the time, and maintains a pleasant attitude is often ridiculed as being 'a snob'.

Shilpa displayed elegance, dignity and intelligence. The Goodys displayed gutter language, bullying and ignorance. Shilpa was a worthy winner as she went through much more than any other housemate and managed to stay positive and supportive to others right to the end.

Maybe a bit off topic... but! what happened to danielle when she was evicted? and how come i've just caught a bit of the russel brand show, and no Jade/Jo/Danielle - what was the official reason???

I'm not being silly as you put it! Have you ever had food poisoning? Its not nice.

I know food-poisoning's not nice, but that's hardly the point. Shilpa wasn't intending to poison them, was she? She made a mess of cooking the chicken - it was a mistake, hardly something to hold against her. Everyone makes mistakes. You can't compare that to the concerted campaign of bullying there was against her, which was very deliberate.

StarSparkle

Im guessing the official reason is they need to protect them in case they are attacked and also it could be a legal battle.

nah it mustve been a fix cos she was *hush* asian
also the darkie came second :D

Was that the same darkie that called Jades mum white trash ? However accurate, it should not have gone unpunished.

I think Mrs Macbeth has hit the spot - Shilpa (and Jermaine to an extent) got where they ended up because people liked their grace and wisdom in the face of flack. I thought Shilpa's little speech to Davina was just perfectly phrased without being too icky.

I saw Jo's interview in the Mirror today - her big chance to try and show some humility. And she failed, totally. She's had some time to review her time in the house, and the bullying row in the real world, and she has no shame whatsoever over anything she said or did. And her 'I can't be a racist because I've got an Indian cousin' is quoted as saying he DID find her comments offensive and is very disappointed in her.

I agree with JoeP that this has been a vindication of the other type of Class. Even someone from a lowly background can show Class. And it makes a nice change to see it on TV. How many stars these days behave with dignity and self-respect? Shilpa's shown how it should be done. She reminds me of 'old' Hollywood.

I agree with JoeP that this has been a vindication of the other type of Class. Even someone from a lowly background can show Class. And it makes a nice change to see it on TV. How many stars these days behave with dignity and self-respect? Shilpa's shown how it should be done. She reminds me of 'old' Hollywood.

Absolutely right. I agree with every word. Perhaps, finally, we are seeing the tide turning against chav culture, and seeing a return to values such as dignity and respect. I do so hope so.

StarSparkle

Absolutely right. I agree with every word. Perhaps, finally, we are seeing the tide turning against chav culture, and seeing a return to values such as dignity and respect. I do so hope so.

StarSparkle
I think it will take much more than this to see chav culture kicked into touch but I hope you right. Maybe it will turn out to be a start.
Maybe Danielle will take over from Kate Moss as the face of Burberry.

Oh come on!
It was in a lot of the papers about the fix beforehand and it stinks.

I personally think they should axe Celebrity BB after this year - because it was just frankly crap.

I barely watched it but from what I gathered, she was really level headed, polite and spoke her mind in a constructive way whilst in the house.

She wasn't bitchy and didn't let people belittle her, whilst not getting worked up at people that were obviously being racist towards her (sorry, but anyone that thinks someone telling her to "f*** off home" isn't racist need to have a word with themself).

That in mind I think she deserved to win.

I barely watched it but from what I gathered, she was really level headed, polite and spoke her mind in a constructive way whilst in the house.

She wasn't bitchy and didn't let people belittle her, whilst not getting worked up at people that were obviously being racist towards her (sorry, but anyone that thinks someone telling her to "f*** off home" isn't racist need to have a word with themself).

That in mind I think she deserved to win.

I disagree with the bit about telling her to "f*** off home" she never said f*** off back to where you came from! she could have said that about any of the others why does it always have to be racist? next we won't even dare to speak to them with out treading on eggshells which is how it is gettin now!!! :rant:

I'm not being silly as you put it! Have you ever had food poisoning? Its not nice.

Sorry but got to agree with starsparkle on this one, you are being silly and Shilpa definately deserved to win!...:thumbsup:

AJ, just got to let you know mate, when Jackson made that comment about white trash - it wasn't actually aimed at anyone in particular, he was explaining what it means in america.... as has been explained by lots of other posters on SF on other BB threads!:thumbsup:

I disagree with the bit about telling her to "f*** off home" she never said f*** off back to where you came from! she could have said that about any of the others why does it always have to be racist? next we won't even dare to speak to them with out treading on eggshells which is how it is gettin now!!! :rant:

Danielle said: 'Why doesn't she f**k off back home'

Racist?... er...YES!

Danielle said: 'Why doesn't she f**k off back home'

Racist?... er...YES!

well fair enough if thats what she said not that i noticed word for word. :rolleyes:

well fair enough if thats what she said not that i noticed word for word. :rolleyes:

So you went off on one without even knowing what had been said? :hihi: :hihi: . . . touches of Jade :mrgreen:

Sorry but got to agree with starsparkle on this one, you are being silly and Shilpa definately deserved to win!...:thumbsup:

AJ, just got to let you know mate, when Jackson made that comment about white trash - it wasn't actually aimed at anyone in particular, he was explaining what it means in america.... as has been explained by lots of other posters on SF on other BB threads!:thumbsup:

Ahhh I see, I have not seen a great deal of this years cbb so I missed the context that phrase was used in. He would have been technically correct anyway I guess.
In another post on the BB thread JoeP said he thought the term "white trash" was used more like our word "chav" and I can see where he's coming from.

Ahhh I see, I have not seen a great deal of this years cbb so I missed the context that phrase was used in. He would have been technically correct anyway I guess.
In another post on the BB thread JoeP said he thought the term "white trash" was used more like our word "chav" and I can see where he's coming from.

See the post above yours mate! :hihi: :hihi: ;)

Danielle said: 'Why doesn't she f**k off back home'

Racist?... er...YES!

I was once told to f*** off back to my own country by a young Somalian lad and I'm whiter than Adolf Hitler.

So it's over now, thank god, the newspapers can ge back to reporting news.

I was once told to f*** off back to my own country by a young Somalian lad and I'm whiter than Adolf Hitler.
LOL!...

I've been at the hands of physical racist abuse, by a gang of white skinheads in the early 80's. It's a horrible feeling and those who dish it out are really not the sharpest tools in the box.

So you went off on one without even knowing what had been said? :hihi: :hihi: . . . touches of Jade :mrgreen:

oh shut up i'm not like you am i i don't wait to pull people up on racism all the time!!!! GET A LIFE!!!! :rant:

Danielle said: 'Why doesn't she f**k off back home'

Racist?... er...YES!

It wasnt "Why doesnt she f**k off BACK home" the word "BACK" Was not used,

its all blown far out of proportion, based on what was said and who it was said to, if she had said it to Jermain, it would have been taken the same, but if she had said it to Say, Jo, or Dirk, would it then???

It wasnt "Why doesnt she f**k off BACK home" the word "BACK" Was not used,

its all blown far out of proportion, based on what was said and who it was said to, if she had said it to Jermain, it would have been taken the same, but if she had said it to Say, Jo, or Dirk, would it then???

Exactly! They use the racist card for anything these days it's ridiculous!!!! The fact is they didn't like her why does it always have to be about bloody race? I didn't like her because she was false and messed about teasing dirk all the time. I supose that ok and makes her a nice person though eh :rolleyes:

Exactly! They use the racist card for anything these days it's ridiculous!!!!

Hmmm :huh:

oh shut up i'm not like you am i i don't wait to pull people up on racism all the time!!!! GET A LIFE!!!! :rant:

You have been watching Jade haven't you!...:hihi:

Who've I pulled up on racism??????????????????..... I've said Jade, Dani & Jo were racist because they were. It's an international event!...

Hmmm :huh:

for gods sake!!!!! exactly has i said you are just waiting to pull people up on racism all the time! you are one sad man :loopy:

fixed!!!!! didn't they boo when they said her name when it was the last two? They bloody encourage racism sometimes:rant:

WHAT!!!!.As if the 80+ audience are representative of ALL of the UK.They were booing because the majority were there to cheer on jermaine.And if the fact that an Indian woman who was undoubtedly bullied to say the least,forgave the people who DID the bullying and holds the fundamental values that WE British SHOULD have,if this justifies being racist than God help you.really......:help:

ok is "white trash" not racist then?

for gods sake!!!!! exactly has i said you are just waiting to pull people up on racism all the time! you are one sad man :loopy:

What did you mean by 'They' though?. . .You're not lumping all asians together here are you?..like indians are also referred to as pakis.

What did you mean by 'They' though?. . .

i am not falling into your trap of using the racist crap again! :rolleyes:

ok is "white trash" not racist then?

Answer Here (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1898774&postcount=62) :thumbsup:

i am not falling into your trap of using the racist crap again! :rolleyes:

Good comeback :huh: . . . I think we'll leave it there.

Well you think its ok to call chavs white trash then? what exactly are we allowed to call asian or pakistani chavs then without getting in trouble for it?

Well you think its ok to call chavs white trash then? what exactly are we allowed to call asian or pakistani chavs then without getting in trouble for it?

Err...Chavs?

Not brown or black trash then? thats fair:rolleyes:

Not brown or black trash then? thats fair:rolleyes:


Well, you could do, it'd be original. :thumbsup: Dont think it'd get you too far though.

If I were you, I'd just stick to saying 'They'...or...'Them'

Well, you could do, it'd be original. :thumbsup: Dont think it'd get you too far though.

If I were you, I'd just stick to saying 'They'...or...'Them'

well instead of calling us white trash try using they or them yourself!

well instead of calling us white trash try using they or them yourself!


Unfortunately I dont speak like that. If you can find me calling anyone on SF 'White trash' please show me & everyone else, if not then please dont talk such horsesh*t.

You're also referring to yourself as 'Us', What is this with you?...Us & them - that is very, very sad way to think.

Apart from the word "White" I dont think the term white trash is considered racist today:

White trash is an American ethnic slur with a social class component. The term is usually considered interchangeable with trailer trash. It is comparable to "honky" in that it is targeted toward white people, but it also connotes low social status and poor prospects (i.e., downward mobility). To call someone "white trash" is to accuse that person of being culturally bankrupt. "White trash" is not a demographic group recognized by sociology.

Attitudes toward the phrase have softened somewhat in recent years, to the degree that some people describe themselves as "white trash", and there is a genre of rock music known proudly as "white-trash rock", but the phrase is still never found in polite contexts. "White trash" is usually associated with poverty; lack of education can also play a role.


Its just a phrase.

Unfortunately I dont speak like that. If you can find me calling anyone on SF 'White trash' please show me & everyone else, if not then please dont talk such horsesh*t.

You're also referring to yourself as 'Us', What is this with you?...Us & them - that is very, very sad way to think.

unfortunately thats how it is! Perhaps if things were equal then it wouldn't be that way. :suspect:

Exactly Jabber. :thumbsup: . . I dont think Jena is quite grasping the meaning of what was said in the house and in what context it was said.

You know what I'm surprised about though, the amount of white people in my experience who I've heard say: 'I'm just going to the paki shop'. They don't mean it in a racist way, but it's an automatic description.

unfortunately thats how it is! Perhaps if things were equal then it wouldn't be that way. :suspect:

So thats your outlook on life then. Unfortunately thats how it is....

Whats not equal?.. Have you had some bad experiences?..:confused:

Exactly Jabber. :thumbsup: . . I dont think Jena is quite grasping the meaning of what was said in the house and in what context it was said.

You know what I'm surprised about though, the amount of white people in my experience who I've heard say: 'I'm just going to the paki shop'. They don't mean it in a racist way, but it's an automatic description.

you are trying it on today aren't you!:rolleyes: headline news.... poor old lestat being a victim of racist bullying:rolleyes:

So thats your outlook on life then. Unfortunately thats how it is....

Whats not equal?.. Have you had some bad experiences?..:confused:

What's not equal!!!!!! are you for real there is too much to list.

you are trying it on today aren't you!:rolleyes: headline news.... poor old lestat being a victim of racist bullying:rolleyes:

Have I been bullied :confused: . . Racially?? :confused: . . errrr :loopy: :gag: :suspect:

What's not equal!!!!!! are you for real there is too much to list.

Hows about giving us an example then?

The thing is, "White trash" was used once in the house and was out of context as far as racism was concerned.. The bullying by the chavs was a sustained and extremely ugly attack. Now if Jackson had gone on and on about white trash that would have been completely different but he said it once. He could just as easily have said trailer trash, and Im sure that if he knew what a chav was, he could have just as easily used that word.

Have I been bullied :confused: . . Racially?? :confused: . . errrr :loopy: :gag: :suspect:

That is what you are wanting and you know it!!! :rant:

That is what you are wanting and you know it!!! :rant:

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. . . . So, I'm Wanting to be racially abused on the forum.

We got a live one here :loopy:

People can see what you are doing lestat! SAD!!!!

So saying someone should “go home” in the context isn’t racist? Or referring to her as Shilpa Poppadom? Jade and Danielle are both very aware what they have done is wrong, hence the apologies they have made.

If you honestly believe two black people made it to the final to placate the racist arguments that have happened then I seriously worry for you. It just so happens that, big surprise coming here, Jermaine and Shilpa were more liked than the other housemates. Wow, who’d have thought that would be possible, us living in a multicultural society and finding a black man and an Indian woman, more likeable than, as Jeremy Clarkson so aptly put it “a racist, pig-faced, waste of blood and organs” and her cronies.
Channel 4 had thousands of complaints over the bullying and racist remarks in CBB,the most any other programme has ever had.That, plus the Media coverage, indicates to me that most people in this country DO object to racism and bullying. It is not surprising therefore that the voting reflected the majority viewpoint.The last 4 in the house all deserved to be there.Notice only Ian among them is a Brit.The voting viewers recognised good,well- brought up,kind,considerate people. Qualities that are sadly lacking in a large number of people in Britain today. I was convinced Jermaine would win,and Shilpa 2nd. I feel Jermaine would have won if there had not been racist and bullying issues involved

Apart from the word "White" I dont think the term white trash is considered racist today:

White trash is an American ethnic slur with a social class component. The term is usually considered interchangeable with trailer trash. It is comparable to "honky" in that it is targeted toward white people, but it also connotes low social status and poor prospects (i.e., downward mobility). To call someone "white trash" is to accuse that person of being culturally bankrupt. "White trash" is not a demographic group recognized by sociology.

Attitudes toward the phrase have softened somewhat in recent years, to the degree that some people describe themselves as "white trash", and there is a genre of rock music known proudly as "white-trash rock", but the phrase is still never found in polite contexts. "White trash" is usually associated with poverty; lack of education can also play a role.


Its just a phrase.

Personally, I'm aware of the term "white trash" from reading "Gone with the Wind". From what I understood from reading that book, I came away with the idea that "white trash" is a term that's been around for a VERY long time, certainly in the southern states of the US, to describe poor, uneducated whites who have made no attempt to 'better themselves'.

It seemed to be used by the white upper classes, educated whites and the blacks to describe the sort of people we'd call 'chavs' today. They were looked down on by everybody else and were held in contempt by the black slaves, as having no excuse in life to live the way they did.

Jerry Springer people, in today's world.

As far as I understood it, it was a class thing, not a racist term. And was aimed at the person's Lifestyle and Behaviour, not their Colour or Race.

StarSparkle

The term "White trash" is THAT old? I really thought it was something from at least the early 80s.

Thats surprising.

People can see what you are doing lestat! SAD!!!!

What!?! . . please tell me??. . . :confused: :confused: You have no arguement Jena. You cant provide any facts, any evidence, you think it's ok to refer to people of different races & religions as 'us' & 'them' . . you think I want to be racially abused on the forum, you wonder if it's ok to call people brown & black trash !?!?!?!?????????

Theres only one mixed up person talking here!....it's you :loopy: :loopy:

Lestat were talking about BB here, not you.

The term "White trash" is THAT old? I really thought it was something from at least the early 80s.

Thats surprising.

No, not at all. It must go back AT LEAST as far as the 1930s, when Margaret Mitchell wrote the book. But I think it must have gone back a lot further than that, as Ms Mitchell knew her history of the southern states. She has characters from the 1860s talking specifically about 'white trash'.

StarSparkle

The thing is, "White trash" was used once in the house and was out of context as far as racism was concerned.. The bullying by the chavs was a sustained and extremely ugly attack. Now if Jackson had gone on and on about white trash that would have been completely different but he said it once. He could just as easily have said trailer trash, and Im sure that if he knew what a chav was, he could have just as easily used that word.

Exactly, and like you Jabbers, I've looked up the term 'white trash', and its been used for ages, mainly it seems by respectable WHITE people in the USA to show that most white people don't behave/live like that. The term 'trailer trash' is used in exactly the same way, we in the UK would probably say 'chavs'. IMO, Jermaine was using it as a comparison. No way was this used in a racist manner. The three young women who behaved abominably have lived in the UK all their lives, and should understand what is socially acceptable behaviour. Unfortunately, as Jermaine stated 'you can't mix class with no class!' Said it all for me.

Edit: I've just seen Starsparkle's post (same time as mine), and wanted to add that it jogged my memory. That was where I heard the term first too - well remembered.

Lestat were talking about BB here, not you.

I know, I was only making a point about how it feels to be racially bullied . . and our little friend Jena has gone off on a wayward tangent talking about life, the universe & everything!

What!?! . . please tell me??. . . :confused: :confused: You have no arguement Jena. You cant provide any facts, any evidence, you think it's ok to refer to people of different races & religions as 'us' & 'them' . . you think I want to be racially abused on the forum, you wonder if it's ok to call people brown & black trash !?!?!?!?????????

Theres only one mixed up person talking here!....it's you :loopy: :loopy:

I'm not mixed up at all, I have explained my reasons why and that is all i have to say! So bye lestat have a nice day :P

and Jermaine would have won

and Jermaine would have won

Dirk...........

I'm not mixed up at all, I have explained my reasons why and that is all i have to say! So bye lestat have a nice day :P

Bye Jena. . . that was a wonderful insight into your world, hope to do it again sometime...NOT!:P :thumbsup:

Dirk was boring- Jermaine was entertaining, sometimes

The word "Trash" itself in theUS is the same as your "Rubbish", we say, put the trash out for pick up, you put the Rubbish out.

Dirk was boring- Jermaine was entertaining, sometimes

Look poopy-pants! Dirk should have won!

Look poopy-pants! Dirk should have won!


Jermaine!!!!!!!! Now stop it Jabberwocky, your making me mad!!!!!!!!!!! :)

Jermaine!!!!!!!! Now stop it Jabberwocky, your making me mad!!!!!!!!!!! :)

Am I...?

Oh dear...


heh heh


Dirk

Jabberwocky, are you chatting to me?? I'll tell...

Jabberwocky, are you chatting to me?? I'll tell...

Im simply explaining, in the context of the thread, that in my opinion Dirk should have won BB.

Shulpa won it and she won it on merit. Its, as has been mentioned before, a nail in the coffin of the chav trash culture thats been haunting this country for the past decade or so.

Im sounding intelligent... I think I may be ill...

Look poopy-pants! Dirk should have won!

Shilpa was the worthy winner in the circumstances, but if she'd not been there, the Faceman should have won it by a mile :thumbsup:

Utterly fascinating man, who told the total truth about what was going on throughout the programme, no bull. :thumbsup: Best advert for the over-60s I've ever seen in my life! Shilpa's thoughts in that area are inexplicable! :D :thumbsup:

StarSparkle :)

The term "White trash" is THAT old? I really thought it was something from at least the early 80s.

Thats surprising.

:nono: If you had continued to read the rest of theWikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_trash)that you quoted earlier, you would know that the phrase has been in use since 1830s. Bad Jabberwocky :nono:



:hihi:

:nono: If you had continued to read the rest of theWikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_trash)that you quoted earlier, you would know that the phrase has been in use since 1830s. Bad Jabberwocky :nono:



:hihi:

I know but i have a perfectly good excuse for missing it.


Erm.. itll take time for me to make one up though.

I mean type it out.

Thansk Devine22, getting the thread back on track...

I diddnt want this to turn into a ping-pong between a few people about racism, it was simply if you thought it was fixed or not, and your opinion on the whole thing.. :)

Thansk Devine22, getting the thread back on track...

I diddnt want this to turn into a ping-pong between a few people about racism, it was simply if you thought it was fixed or not, and your opinion on the whole thing.. :)

Really?? Isnt that what I said a while back to Lestat?

jermaine made the reference "white trash" AFTER some of the things were said to shilpa.Danielle jo and jade were outrightly taking the bleeding P**S OUT OF Shilpa and Bullying her.Why the Hell are we talking about the whole white trash thing anyway..........................Well they ARE trash!!!

I don't believe for a second that the phone vote was fixed, but as with any reality TV show, the producers pick who they want to win pretty much from the start and do all they can to portray that person in a way that will encourage the public to vote for them.

Ben Elton's new book Chart Throb is really good at showing how it is done...

Really?? Isnt that what I said a while back to Lestat?

Yeah I know, I was thanking you for saying that, and for getting the thread back on track...

Yeah I know, I was thanking you for saying that, and for getting the thread back on track...

Any chance you might be able to stop being nice to each other and start talking about Shilpa vote being fixed? :hihi: ;)

Sorry Lestat hun, how are you today? oh yes, shilpa, she didnt deserve to win but she had to really.

I don't believe for a second that the phone vote was fixed, but as with any reality TV show, the producers pick who they want to win pretty much from the start and do all they can to portray that person in a way that will encourage the public to vote for them.


absolutely agree BM.

it was not a fix.

but it was the only way to end this whole sorry saga.

:)

With the latest news and uprawl re: shilpa and the other housemates, has channel 4, and/or the government (or whoever) made a huge mistake...

whats your opinions on tonights result??

Was Shilpa winning, a Fix or not?

Where's the option "I couldn't give less of a toss either way?" :D

I've always heard that British people always support the underdog, etc..

Shilpa was a nobody when she started and therefore didn't seem a likely winner.

But then she was bullied by a bunch of trashy, ignorant slappers who couldn't stand her because she was elegant, beautiful and oozed pure class...

Of course people had to vote for her, she's magnificient in more than one way.

Anyway, am I the only one who thought when jermaine left the house" now this is what Michael would look like if he had stopped the surgery after Billy Jean?"

That man was a good surprise.

How do we know the thread poll isn't a fix? :suspect:

How do we know the thread poll isn't a fix? :suspect:

Trust us, we're professionals. :D

We haven't received a big enough bribe to to do it. :)

Banesmabes - I think the way in which the producers can 'big up' their chosen candidate isn't as great as might be expected. The only way to do it is probably through the edits - I think taht it probably was done to a small degree this time around but I think it was very much 'gilding the lily'.

Short of showing Shilpa kicking a small child and a three legged puppy around the garden, it would have been difficult to edit things in such a way that wouldn't help her. :)

Trust us, we're professionals. :D

We haven't received a big enough bribe to to do it. :)

Banesmabes - I think the way in which the producers can 'big up' their chosen candidate isn't as great as might be expected. The only way to do it is probably through the edits - I think taht it probably was done to a small degree this time around but I think it was very much 'gilding the lily'.

Short of showing Shilpa kicking a small child and a three legged puppy around the garden, it would have been difficult to edit things in such a way that wouldn't help her. :)

On the other thread there were a few posters who had watched the live streaming and were adamant that Shilpa often manipulated the situations around to an argument and then just sat back and let Jade & co talk themselves out of their careers. Personally I completely support Shilpa and think she was to target of disgraceful abuse, but you can never trust what you see on the highlights programmes!

Hardly a boo heard.

Jena76, I'm afraid that the antics of Jade, Jo and Danielle showed that racism in some people requires no encouragement.

The last 4 people left in were class acts - civilised human beings - Jade, Jackiey, Danielle, Jo and Jack certainly weren't. Simple as that.

class acts? bunch of self promoting attention seekers the lot of them!

class acts? bunch of self promoting attention seekers the lot of them!

But teh PC Brigade approves of them... :D

Better than that numpty C word scum Jade whatsit...

What's Big Brother?? :confused: