Has anyone had any bad experiences with city centre doormen?
The reason i ask is because last night i was ejected from an establishment in town.
Was out with a group of friends,having a good time,i admit i'd had a bit to drink,we started dancing,at this point a bouncer asked us to stop which to be honest was fair enough,anyway a few members of the party mainly the girls carried on dancing, at this point he asked me and my girlfriend to leave,while ushering us towards the exit,i asked if i could get my cigarettes off the table,he refused,to be honest i did give him a bit of "lip" nothing violent just back chat, anyway next thing i know he has me in a headlock and is dragging me out ,he then threw me headlong onto the pavement,where i landed at the feet of three policemen,who picked me up,asked if i was ok,and advised me to press charges against the doorman in question.
The point of this story is what should i do?put it down to experience?
Iam at this moment covered in bruises.
I probably deserved to be asked to leave,but not in such a violent manner,i'm not some young hooligan,i'm in my thirties,never ever been in trouble, and its not as if i'm a physical threat!(i'm only a little bloke)
We did get the manager out who refused to do anything,because he hadn't seen the incident,we tried to talk to the doorman in question, but he was ushered away(,we did find out he was only eighteen though) we asked for his name which they refused to give.
Should i just put it down to experience and leave it? At this moment i feel like a victim of a violent assault,there is no way i deserved to be treated like i was.

I never realised you got bouncers so young. Scary.

Deano, thats awfall mate and you have to press charges and this is why.
The bouncer did not give you an appology after being confronted by the police which may be then could have been forgiven.
Then the bouncer is ushered away and the owner refuses to appologise on his behalf which means he is protecting an obviously guilty man, meaning he don't give a s**t about your welfare.
The police have given you the right and sensible option and if the police don't have the authority to treat you in that way the f*****g bouncer certainly does'nt.

Do yourself and anyone else a favour who have been at the hands of these mindless thugs because thats all they are.
You won't be the only one who's gone through this and if you kicked up a stink in the club, I.E being violent then I could have some compassion in the handling.

PM Dirt Diggler and take his advice, I know he is a bouncer but he's not bias and would give you some information of the rights and wrongs of these bouncers.
There not all thugs like the guy that threw you out but that is an assault and you have two strong witnesses, the police officers.
Woops to swear words, I must be annoyed.

Sorry to hear about your experiences deano, but I guess it would be very difficult to press charges or prove anything was done.

Just vote with your feet and boycott the place, you could always crap in a jiffy bag and send it to the manager. Much more satisfying

I was in town last night and I noticed that everywhere has bouncers now, even the Frog and Parrott:loopy: which by the way was empty last night at 10.40 and the foreign doormen refused us access. This was a group of 40yr olds:P just wanting a drink somewhere a bit quite.

:thumbsup:

I think it will be difficult to press charges,everybody closed ranks last night.
I think had the bouncer been a bit more experienced i probably would have been escorted out in a more dignified manner.
I would like to protect anybody else from the same fate though,i was not at any time a threat in a violent sort of way,surely they are not trained to grab you round the neck in a headlock and launch you out the door!! if i had landed awkwardly i could have easily broken my neck,as it is ive just got a bruised hip,knee,elbow and a small cut on my head.
Keep replaying it in my head,i must be the least violent person i know,i'm a responsible sensible adult for gods sake,i keep swaying between anger and feeling sorry for myself,it's not as if i go into town that often,last night was the first time since xmas.
Keep trying to think of the best course of action.

I had some trouble with a bouncer in the Kingdom nightclub.

Some girl started on me but because she worked there she got the bouncer to speak to ME!!!!!

We sorted it out and the night went on fine then about 25 minutes to closing he just came up to me and grabbed hold of my arm, by this time I was slightly the worse for wear and told him where to get off. He just dragged me and threw me outside like I was a piece of S**T:(

Why do bouncers think they have the right to just go around throwing their weight around like they do?? I know a certain amount of control has to be taken otherwise there would be fighting all over and I'm sure there are some very decent "doormen" out there but C'mon?!!??

Oh yeah and I was barred for life??? My god what will I do??

I will just have to find another club full of under 18's and bouncers that like roughing women up!!!!

.....Oh yeah that plays crappy music!:rant:

Ooooohhh that's better :D

Thanks for asking the forum membership for advice but really the people you should be asking are the police. They may very well know of other problems with the establishment in question and it may be possible to get the police officers who were outside the place to corroborate at least some of your story.
I personally would kick up a real stink not just to try and get some personal satisfaction but also to try and get the neanderthal bouncer out of his job before he really does hurt someone. Bouncets are an important part of pub and club life and I wouldn't of thought any professional bouncer or what ever you want to call them would want an inexperienced, obviously untrained yob giving them a bad name. So again my advice is kick up a fuss and complain to as many people as you can.

would you name the place in question deano...cheers

Sorry to hear about what happened, thats out of order, but don't get upset about it, and let it put you off going to town, fight back!

As Cycleracer said, they were virtually admiting guilt by their actions and surely, the Manager would have been able to look back on the CCTV, which is everywhere in town now a days.

Yeah speak to the police again, as soon as possible, if they advised you to press charges.

Good luck :)

I imagine the police will side with the nightclub owners ... they're richer and more powerful than you ...

I don't understand why you had think it would be difficult to press charges deano - it sounds like you had three policemen as witnesses. Or have I misunderstood?

Let's look at it this way, if it had been a policeman who had got you in a headlock then chucked you head first onto the pavement I'm sure the overwhelming response on here would be, "Report him and press charges!!"

Originally posted by draggletail
I don't understand why you had think it would be difficult to press charges deano - it sounds like you had three policemen as witnesses. Or have I misunderstood?
The three policemen were outside,they picked me up,asked if i was ok,had a chat with another doorman and cleared off,they advised me to press charges but they only saw me thrown onto the pavement,they wern't in the pub.

Originally posted by kirky
would you name the place in question deano...cheers
MOD EDIT: For obvious reasons the name of the Bar has been removed. Please refrain from naming the bar in question on a public forum.

Originally posted by deano
The three policemen were outside,they picked me up,asked if i was ok,had a chat with another doorman and cleared off,they advised me to press charges but they only saw me thrown onto the pavement,they wern't in the pub.

Don't want to seem picky here deano, but if the policeman saw you thrown to the ground head first, then surely they witnessed an assault:confused:
Sounds like a real bad experience:(

Originally posted by draggletail
Don't want to seem picky here deano, but if the policeman saw you thrown to the ground head first, then surely they witnessed an assault:confused:
Sounds like a real bad experience:(
Yeah they witnessed that bit,but surely all the bouncer has to say was that i was violent,(i wasn't).
I do have a case,had my bruises photographed,but honestly is it worth it?Would like to see the cctv footage,but what are the chances of that happening?

May I say that as a door supervisor not a bouncer we have to deal with some very aggresive people who are the worse for drink and we get a lot of hasstle.
I dont know your particular case so I wont comment on that ,but what I will say is that all door supervisors are badged and have gone through a extensive training course in customer care to name but one aspect of the course.
I am sorry you had a bad experience but plz try not to lump all doormen in the same camp.

Not all doormen are bad. I am going back approx 8 or 9 years ago but to cut a long story short, I was in a night club having a good time and a man came up to me with the sole intent of having a go. Now do'nt get me wrong, i can and have handled myself pretty well when needed but this man was a walking mountain!, i erred on the side of caution and walked away. This mountain then ran at me when i was walking down a flight of stairs, i had just enough time to get my balance sorted and i ducked to avoid his first punch. That punch never came, a bouncer (As we used to call them) had seen what was happening and before i knew what was going on the mountain was on the floor at the bottom of the stairs with the doorman using him as a sofa.
Needless to say i was greatfull to the doorman.

Originally posted by draggletail
Don't want to seem picky here deano, but if the policeman saw you thrown to the ground head first, then surely they witnessed an assault:confused:
Sounds like a real bad experience:( The reason behind the assault is irelevant. They saw the assault happen and thats that.
Besides, theres no love lost between the night club owners and the police, they make there lives a mysery with all the violence that they create every weekend.
Do the decent thing and get them knicked.
Markham hit the nail on the head, had it been a police officer they would have been suspended.
Who gives them a right to do what they did.

Chances are that you will not be allowed to view the CCTV footage.

If you don't want to involve the Police, another option is to complain to Licensing General at the Council who will investigate the incident as they are currently responsible for registering Door Supervisors.

As RoyJames said, don't tar all Door Supervisors with the same brush - the vast majority are very professional.

Originally posted by richl
Chances are that you will not be allowed to view the CCTV footage.

If you don't want to involve the Police, another option is to complain to Licensing General at the Council who will investigate the incident as they are currently responsible for registering Door Supervisors.

As RoyJames said, don't tar all Door Supervisors with the same brush - the vast majority are very professional.
I really don't know what to do for the best,is it worth it?
On one hand i don't want other people to suffer such treatment as i did,but on the other hand there is so much "red tape" to wade through.
There is no way i percieve all doormen to be the same,i have the utmost respect for the job they do,i couldn't do it,ive always appreciated the job they do,after all they are there for our safety,but it only takes one or two "bad apples"to change peoples views.
Without wanting to sound mellow dramatic,the lad who threw me out was twice my size,and if i had landed awkwardly could have seriously injured me.
And to think i stay out of town because of the threat of violence from gangs of youths.

Think about it deano, if you had been sozzled and smashed the place up the manager would probably be pressing you, through the courts, for some kind of reimbursement. His doorman assaulted you, caused you (and your GF) embarrassment and very nearly caused you injury. Does the doorman get away with it. As I said earlier, if it had been a copper who did this, would he be let off?

Originally posted by richl
Chances are that you will not be allowed to view the CCTV footage.


The Data Protection Act covers CCTV recordings now, so by law you are entitled to see the footage of you. However, chances are that if you ask, you'll find the tape has been "lost", "re-used" or the machine wasn't working. :mad:

I would make a complaint to the Police. Maybe they won't do anything but if they get more complaints from other people, about the same pub, then they might do.

If you want to keep things simple, maybe you could make a complaint to the police, but don't press charges. Presumably the doorman will get hauled in for a bol*ocking from police.
Does this sound about right?

Originally posted by markham
Think about it deano, if you had been sozzled and smashed the place up the manager would probably be pressing you, through the courts, for some kind of reimbursement. His doorman assaulted you, caused you (and your GF) embarrassment and very nearly caused you injury. Does the doorman get away with it. As I said earlier, if it had been a copper who did this, would he be let off?
You are right,i don't want compensation,an apology would suffice,that's all i wanted at the time,just wanted him to admit he was wrong,it's a very good point about if it was a police officer they would be suspended,i will put wheels in motion,bit to be honest i think i will hit a few brick walls,will keep you posted.

If your giving bouncers jip what do you expect them to do? Smile say sorry and get you a drink? They have to put up with ****ed up idiots all night long whilst taking jip from people. Bouncers are tought to react to a situation quickly before it ecsculates, maybe some bouncers aren't quite as good at reading situations as others.

In your case as he was quite young, you either offended him or he thought you may pose a problem in which case he reacted accordingly.

Next time when they tell you to leave keep your gob firmly sealed. I've seen bouncers open fire exit doors with peoples head's.

There's often more bouncers than there are of you and in the end of the day your not going to win or achieve anything by giving them hassle.

Just to add: I'm not a bouncer and I know there are some asshole ones about. Just givin my 2 cent for the guys.

Oy Deano - stop being such a pussy and fix up. If you are in your 30's and some 18 year old dude put you in a headlock and threw you to the ground, you only have yourself to blame. If you dont stand up for yourself, this kinda ting is gonna happen. eh?

Originally posted by JasonHoffman
Oy Deano - stop being such a pussy and fix up. If you are in your 30's and some 18 year old dude put you in a headlock and threw you to the ground, you only have yourself to blame. If you dont stand up for yourself, this kinda ting is gonna happen. eh?

What a man! Yes I'm sure it would have really impressed Deano's gf alot more if he'd had thrown a few punches and potentially got himself arrested. (Pls note that is sarcasm..I know that you can't hear tone of voice on the forum!)

I wonder what you're suggesting he should have done at the time particularly as it sounds like it all happened quickly?

Originally posted by JasonHoffman
Oy Deano - stop being such a pussy and fix up. If you are in your 30's and some 18 year old dude put you in a headlock and threw you to the ground, you only have yourself to blame. If you dont stand up for yourself, this kinda ting is gonna happen. eh?

What are you saying here, all 18 year old guys are a push over? because they're young you should be able to over-power them and put them in their place?!:loopy:

Have you seen the size of some teenagers?

Deano already said the guy in question was twice his size, how can anybody successfully defend themselves against somene who is twice as strong as yourself, unless your Uma Thurman in Kill Bill of course!

Even if Deano had wiped the floor with the bouncer, surely the other bouncers would have got involved and probably put Deano in intensive care!

Originally posted by JasonHoffman
Oy Deano - stop being such a pussy and fix up. If you are in your 30's and some 18 year old dude put you in a headlock and threw you to the ground, you only have yourself to blame. If you dont stand up for yourself, this kinda ting is gonna happen. eh?
Cheers for that mate,what exactly would you have done?
Dunno bought you but i aint no fighter,would you attack a doorman who has all his mates behind him?

Originally posted by J-Blaze
If your giving bouncers jip what do you expect them to do? Smile say sorry and get you a drink? They have to put up with ****ed up idiots all night long whilst taking jip from people. Bouncers are tought to react to a situation quickly before it ecsculates, maybe some bouncers aren't quite as good at reading situations as others.

In your case as he was quite young, you either offended him or he thought you may pose a problem in which case he reacted accordingly.

Next time when they tell you to leave keep your gob firmly sealed. I've seen bouncers open fire exit doors with peoples head's.

There's often more bouncers than there are of you and in the end of the day your not going to win or achieve anything by giving them hassle.

Just to add: I'm not a bouncer and I know there are some asshole ones about. Just givin my 2 cent for the guys.
I wasn't giving him "jip"it was banter,if a doorman can't take a bit of banter he is in the wrong job imo,whats he gonna do if someone really upsets him,kill them?
Also there was a group of us,why did he pick on me,cos i was the smallest male perhaps?Surely they are trained to deal with light hearted banter as opposed to a violent threat.
I don't want this guy clapped in irons,but the way he overreacted on friday was scary,just think he may benefit from some more training,for his own good as well as anyone elses.

Deano which club was it? Send me a PM :thumbsup:

Originally posted by Dirk Diggler
Deano which club was it? Send me a PM :thumbsup:

Me too Deano:thumbsup:

Deano, as we're not allowed to name establishments think of a place in town that shares its name with an area in Morocco, The Clash rocked it, allegedly! Is it the same place you had grief? This sounds just like my experience when I was attacked without provocation by a p****d up young lad claiming to be a bouncer and thrown out of a back door. When I went round the front with blood pouring down my face to warn the doormen that they had someone pretending to be a bouncer, off his head and attacking customers I find out, guess what, he IS a bouncer! You could tell they knew I was in the right despite him saying first that I was banging on doors then that I was tagging the walls with a marker pen because they let me back in. A few of them privately told me that he was deranged and they'd had problems with him before. They put up a wall of silence about it as a group though, leading me to wonder whether he has some family connection to the owners or 'knows people'. or summat. Wish I'd prosecuted, I still have problems bending one of my thumbs and a scar on my top lip where my tooth went through. I still have one more opposable thumb than he does! won't be going back there again even if Rudolph Valentino said "Come with me to the..."

There are some good bouncers. We all want someone who can handle themselves watching our backs when we're trying to have a good time, after all there are a lot of cretins in town who get a drink inside them and just want to crack skulls. I'm talking about the kind of doormen who talk down situations, employ control and restraint techniques and only use force as a last resort. I've met bouncers with a 'peace always wins' philosophy who quote Ghandi and Buddhist scriptures and they blow me away with their cool attitude. They are pretty rare though. The job must attract a lot of throwbacks who want power without responsibility and accountability.

Instead of moaning on here why don't you moan to the Police and Licencing Authorities?

:huh:

Originally posted by Tony
Instead of moaning on here why don't you moan to the Police and Licencing Authorities?

:huh:
You ought to try it,it's like wading through treacle!!The police have as much as said it "probably won't lead anywhere"
Am awaiting a response from the appropropriate licensing department,likewise the security firm in question and the management of the bar.
This forum would be pretty quiet if nobody moaned don't you think?

Originally posted by _mojo_pin
Deano, as we're not allowed to name establishments think of a place in town that shares its name with an area in Morocco, The Clash rocked it, allegedly! Is it the same place you had grief? This sounds just like my experience when I was attacked without provocation by a p****d up young lad claiming to be a bouncer and thrown out of a back door. When I went round the front with blood pouring down my face to warn the doormen that they had someone pretending to be a bouncer, off his head and attacking customers I find out, guess what, he IS a bouncer! You could tell they knew I was in the right despite him saying first that I was banging on doors then that I was tagging the walls with a marker pen because they let me back in. A few of them privately told me that he was deranged and they'd had problems with him before. They put up a wall of silence about it as a group though, leading me to wonder whether he has some family connection to the owners or 'knows people'. or summat. Wish I'd prosecuted, I still have problems bending one of my thumbs and a scar on my top lip where my tooth went through. I still have one more opposable thumb than he does! won't be going back there again even if Rudolph Valentino said "Come with me to the..."
No it wasn't that bar,but the doormen in question does sound very simular.

Thanks for the sympathetic attitude and good advice Tony but Deano's right; informing the police is useless in a lot of cases, you get an incident number and little else. Let's say we successfully prosecuted our aggressors, what then? You get to watch the magistrate give out a ridiculously lenient punishment and release monkeyboy back on the streets safe in the knowledge that he or his mates are free to give you a good kicking the next time he sees you without witnesses around. Call me cynical and negative if you will. When you've been through something like that it's healthy to have a good old moan

Originally posted by _mojo_pin
Thanks for the sympathetic attitude and good advice Tony

He posted that at 7:14am and from previous experience, he's a grumpy old so and so until he's had his morning coffee so I wouldn't worry about it :thumbsup:

Right, had a coffee and walked the dog and raring to go! :D

I appreciate what you're saying TBH, but unless the Police know what's going on they won't be able to prioritise or keep an eye on things, even if it starts off as a thankless task :(

Remember that they need lots of evidence these days even if they know who is committing the crimes. The more they get (even if it from drunken club goers) the more chance they have of getting an arrest.


Stick in there! :thumbsup:

Write to the venue about the incident. Cc the Licensing Authorities and the Police. Maybe contact the Police and try and find out which police spoke to you and they may say what they saw.

The venue will have to respond either to deny it or whatever....you don't necessarily have to press charges you can file a criminal complaint which will go against the venue's licensing record.

Probably unrealistic to expect the manager to speak to you on the night as that is when situations can get out of control. Anyone else this happens to I'd follow this line of advice but it's best to do it first thing the next day otherwise the venue can "lose" Cctv tapes.


On another thought, I was out sat night and saw Police wrestling with fighters etc....and thought how alien it was to me. Then I asked myself why and it was because I'd spent the past 4.5 years worth of sats in Element with our night Phonetics. Fodder for thought.

Most doormen are sound and do have to take a lot of nonsense and it is also, in general, not very well paid. But it's not wise for an 18 year old to be working doors. Older hands tend to have had their fill of fighting and just do the job better.

Mind you, if they're old enough to die in Iraq!!!

This should not happen after December because all Doormen have to go on a course and then they can only be a doorman after passing and recieving a license.

Originally posted by rosie
This should not happen after December because all Doormen have to go on a course and then they can only be a doorman after passing and recieving a license.

but did you know bars can hire thugs and call them glass collectors.........i was given this option myself.

Originally posted by Tony
Instead of moaning on here why don't you moan to the Police and Licencing Authorities?

:huh: That is the reason he has come on here to ask advice as he is unsure wether to go to the police or not.
The thread explains that clearly.
This forum will help him decide one way or another.
However, what anbout CCTV surely theres enough camaras in that area monitoring the streets, what about getting on to them.
The Council runs that and would'nt be influenced by the nightclub.

And my subsequent post (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?postid=181831#post181831) explained perfectly well why he should go to the Police / Licencing Authorities.

Why should he NOT report it?

Originally posted by deano
Has anyone had any bad experiences with city centre doormen?
....... anyway next thing i know he has me in a headlock and is dragging me out ,he then threw me headlong onto the pavement,where i landed at the feet of three policemen,who picked me up,asked if i was ok,and advised me to press charges against the doorman in question.


Deano, I just asked a doorman-friend & he informs me that head-locks are definately illegal & should never be used (although they are).
Why not go for the jugular yourself mate & contact one of these prolific no-win-no-fee compensation solicitors?

A friend & I from work were in a Sheffield bar a couple of years ago & were verbally 'intimidated' by a bouncer who was showing off in front of a couple of young floozies (so easily impressed). Our crime? Sat quietly at a table being responsible 30-odd year olds!

We immediately left but not before I'd got his name from the bar staff. The very next morning I rang the bar manager to report this & he was very concerned, he confided that he'd had complaints before re; the same bouncer.
Needless to say we have not been in that bar since, as I'd promised the manager. Their loss.

Does the name of your bar have anything to do with a "CRISP-MANUFACTURER" by any chance (if you get my drift).

Its a shame the doorman involved can`t tell us his version.

Perhaps when he develops language skills, say in another couple of million years of evolution - he will tell all.

Deano you should definately be following this up. If you dont get anywhere so what? at least you tried to prevent him doing this to anyone else. Admittedly bouncers have to cope with a lot of nasty people but so do the police, bar staff, taxi drivers etc etc and any of them did this then you'd definately be reporting it. Even tho he's a bouncer there no way he should get away with this type of thing

There are two sides to every story

remember mike tyson at 18?

age is not the issue

i would hate being a doorman as you most likely have a very high percentage of people who are gits and out for trouble.

i've known some horrible people kicking off at bouncers. and some horrible bouncers kicking off over nothing. i was once with a group of friends and we all went in together. well i didnt coz i got stopped. now i dont look like trouble haha.. i look a wuss! i was dressed according to rules. just wudunt let me in and gave no reason why. i didnt yell or fling insults at him i just asked calmy `ok i'll go, but could you tell me why i cant go in?' he acted like i was invisible (strange seens though he's not a woman? haha) oh and that was at republic.

on the post in question i would have taken pictures of bruises. at least you could have shown he didnt use reasonable force.

petty if you ask me. usually in every case theres different stories we have just ones here. if its that bad complain if not shut up

as a club promoter i have seen my fair share of incidents involving security ejecting people from a venue...

there is definately a right way and a wrong way to do it. you tend to find that the older sensible guys are the more polite and forthright... they wont use force unless absolutely neccasary and tend to have a knack of persuading people to leave without force.

the younger ones tend to be a bit more feisty and feel that they have more to prove (obviously a sweeping generalisation).

they should never lose their temper, they are paid to be proffessionals in these situations and that's why they have a badge.

and just for the record, the police will generally lean on the side of the punter; club owners and managers are under ALOT of pressure to behave in the correct manner with the general public, issues of public safety are taken very seriously these days...

I was at the old corporation a few years ago, and one night whislt moshing away, there was a little scuffle, Not something I was involved in, but I got singled out and escorted to the door by a doorman a little less built than myself. A little abmitious I thought, no word as to why I was being escorted but upon him trying to eject me, I turned the tables and tossed him out on his ass.
The other bouncers came over and asked him what was happening and kept hold of me.

He told them what happened and they laughed at him, telling him thats what happens. I got an apology and told to go back inside.

Originally posted by deano
Has anyone had any bad experiences with city centre doormen?
The reason i ask is because last night i was ejected from an establishment in town.
At this moment i feel like a victim of a violent assault,there is no way i deserved to be treated like i was.
couple of comments really - "ejected from an establishment? who says that?
on a serious note, you need to report crime as soon as pos, esp if you want to claim comp from criminal injuried or they will query the delay.
did you say its on cctv?
if police saw it, they can act even if u dont
saying this i am a believer in "no smoke without fire". i hope u get this sorted, and if the doorman was 100% wrong, i dont think i want him protecting my in a club and he needs sacking and investigating by police and council (who auth his badge)

why was the name of the place removed?

libel? Nothing Deano posted was libellous. I understand the need for caution, but really it gets taken too far.

It'll get to the point where we won't be allowed to mention any organsitation for any reason, good or bad, in case they take offence too it.

I had a bad meal at restaurant 'x'. Removed.
I thought the music at 'x's gig was rubbish. Removed.
I was beat up in club 'x'. Removed
They'd run out of cheese at supermarket 'x'. Removed.
The popular broadcasting corportation 'xbc' said this. Removed.

Seriously, look up the laws on libel and how they apply to internet forums. People are responsible for their own posts initially. If something is libelous then the only responsiblity of the forum is to remove it when contacted and asked to do so.
And it is only libel if something that is not true is presented as fact. When it is clearly opinion, it's is not libel.

Hence the papers being able to print things like "Blair lied to us over Iraq" and not end up in jail.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cyclone
[B]why was the name of the place removed?

libel? Nothing Deano posted was libellous. I understand the need for caution, but really it gets taken too far.

i have to agree there, i think it is important for this to be a platform for that kind of important info.

free speach only hurt those with something to hide right?

Where have you encountered the worst doormen in town?

Just have a professional interest and would like to know!

Plus i'm nosey! lol

:thumbsup:

These kind of questions usually arise after someone has encountered and 'Incident' with a doorman... Have you anything to Fess up :suspect:

The only encounter I've had is when I wasn't allowed in a club for having a shirt on :confused:

Other than that no problems :D

Purple have some nasty dorrmen, and when zero wa open as a nightclub

Originally posted by underground1
Purple have some nasty dorrmen, and when zero wa open as a nightclub

Er.. Zero *is* open as a nightclub - always found the security fine, even (shock horror) friendly, in there.

And now purple has shut down it has no doormen....

dont know about which ones are harsh,but the ones worst at doing their job are those at corporation

Originally posted by jake
Er.. Zero *is* open as a nightclub - always found the security fine, even (shock horror) friendly, in there.

I THOUGHT THAT ZERO WAS ONLY OPEN 4 EVENTS NOW NOT AS A NIGHTCLUB?

Don't know about that ^^^^^! Zero's open Friday and Saturday nights as a nightclub. Was at UG two nights ago. Oh, & I've also found the door staff there *gasp* polite and friendly.

Worst door staff - Gatecrasher maybe? Not had any real bad experiences in Sheffield though.

What people bouncers allow in clubs:

Come in Hitler you look smart.

F*** off Jesus no sandals allowed.

Originally posted by Terraviva
Worst door staff - Gatecrasher maybe? Not had any real bad experiences in Sheffield though.

I'd go along with that. Once got turned away for having a jumper on, even tho it was about -5. Plus i've seen them turn away a few people for having the wrong type of trainers on.

Originally posted by THCAyle
dont know about which ones are harsh,but the ones worst at doing their job are those at corporation

I found the ones at Corporation on a bit of a power trip but I think they may just take their job a little too seriously.

I like the ones at the Dev Cat they're always polite and friendly.

I think the ones at Corp are terrible, in terms of their job ability. They let people in no matter what state they are in. A group of my friends was once waved in when we were in a complete state after having done a load of mushrooms.
They happily waved me in the week after the manager banned me, too.

Zero staff are very professional. Even though I first got offended when I started going (I just wasn't used to being searched every week) I think they are great at what they do and don't take the michael.

Originally posted by hoba


Zero staff are very professional. Even though I first got offended when I started going (I just wasn't used to being searched every week) I think they are great at what they do and don't take the michael.

I think people in Sheffield just arent used to being searched - I've been out a fair bit in London and its not uncommon to have very rigourous searches including thumbs down and around the waistband of your trousers looking for stuff..

The berlins bouncers used to be well up for a scrap, and the niche bouncers are well on top as well, they can be a bit heavy handed, even when there hasn't been any problems.

I have heard of people being taken upstairs by these fellows, and coming back down in a bad way with no money, very naughty.

I think the door staff at Zero are spot on. They do their job but have a laugh with you and are always pleasant.

They can be very helpfull if you're with somebody who gets a tad too messy as well.

Big thumbs up to them from me.

When I went to the old corporation for insomniacz years ago the doormen told me they had to search the inside of my bra in case i was carrying anything in there. I told them to **** off and I didn't have a bra on anyway. They let me in in the end... surprised I didn't get done for smuggling peanuts though.

Originally posted by Fowler
Where have you encountered the worst doormen in town?

Just have a professional interest and would like to know!

Plus i'm nosey! lol

:thumbsup:
one told me to get off the railings in GC many moons ago heheh! ended up marrying him;)

I found the worst doormen in town to be at Menzel's on Ecclesall Road. I was in there once and they went around asking people to drink up. When I didn't drink quickly enough they actually took my drink out of my hand! I have never been back!

Originally posted by Fowler
Where have you encountered the worst doormen in town?

Just have a professional interest and would like to know!

Plus i'm nosey! lol

:thumbsup:

the doormen at 'the room' told me the scuba night was not a house night, and the doorwomen refused to let us back in when my sister and I went to check out another venue...I ended up inplanet zog so I'd say they are not promting the nights enough...in birmingham this is allowed so big thumbs down from me..

Originally posted by jonsastar
The berlins bouncers used to be well up for a scrap, and the niche bouncers are well on top as well, they can be a bit heavy handed, even when there hasn't been any problems.

I have heard of people being taken upstairs by these fellows, and coming back down in a bad way with no money, very naughty.

That would have been hard in berlins as it didn't have an upstairs, not only are they thugs they are magicians too!

Gotta say the doormen/women at Trippets on a Friday/Saturday night are fantastic. Really lovely and professional.

zero doorstaff are definately very proffesional,and polite.

but it ****** me off when they ID me and im old enough,make me run all the way home to get me ID,and then search me,rar

oh well

GatecrasherOne doorstaff are fine if it's a Hed Kandi night - they have a laugh with you, make an effort to get you in quickly and if it's raining have been known to hand umbrellas out :D

Other nights when it's full of ****** up people puking everywhere and starting fights they aren't usually as friendly, not surprising though really :)

Zero staff have been good for a while too - used to be a pain in the arse a fair few years ago though.

Originally posted by missrabbit
That would have been hard in berlins as it didn't have an upstairs, not only are they thugs they are magicians too!

Sorry rabbit thats in niche where they take people upstairs, in Berlins they throw you down the steps.

The door staff at Zero are one of the nicest door staff I've ever met at a club! Sheffield doorman in general are quite good, try going to Manchester, with a few exceptions most are complete ******s!

Had a horrible experience at Gatecrasher once where 3 of the doormen started saying really disgusting stuff to me...I'm sure you can guess.

I was dressed in v.short skirt, little top and flip flops (this was summer by the way!) but I felt they thought just because I was dressed like that I was out for one thing. It made me feel sick.

I would imagine most of the horrible door people are just on some kind of sad little power trip. Let's hope they wake up and get a real job that doesn't involve sexual harrassment.

Many years ago when I could be found on the door at the Wap one of the policies was underage people were not allowed in, there may have been a few exceptions for some of the prettier girls but on the whole this policy was adhered too. Nowadays though I meet many young people who have been out clubbing and pubbing since being 15 or so. I'd have to say you'd be a lousy doorperson if you culdn't spot and then stop a lot of the youngsters that i know.

Originally posted by WallBuilder
Nowadays though I meet many young people who have been out clubbing and pubbing since being 15 or so. I'd have to say you'd be a lousy doorperson if you culdn't spot and then stop a lot of the youngsters that i know.

I started going to pubs at the age of 15.. and that was in 1983 - so there's nothing really new there...

People always seem to think that underage drinking, drunkeness and general lairy behaviour just started a few years ago - when its always been like that - the opening of the big beer barn type placesmight ahve concentrated things a bit - but friday & sat nights have always been rowdy...

I would definitely say that the average age of people trying to get into the city centre pubs and clubs has dropped somewhat. There again i can remember when for a guy if you weren't in a shirt and tie and had polished shoes you'd get turned away from plenty of clubs.
I'd also say that the general 'rowdiness' has got worse over the last few years after all most pubs did not need door staff or bouncers and a friend who had the dubious pleasure of working in A and E says that injury as a direct result of drunken 'rowdiness' has increased dramatically.
I'm fully aware there were under age drinkers in the early 80's as they sometimes tried to get into the Wap with limited success I might add.

Originally posted by WallBuilder
I would definitely say that the average age of people trying to get into the city centre pubs and clubs has dropped somewhat.

Do Policemen seem younger too?

;)

Originally posted by WallBuilder
I would definitely say that the average age of people trying to get into the city centre pubs and clubs has dropped somewhat. There again i can remember when for a guy if you weren't in a shirt and tie and had polished shoes you'd get turned away from plenty of clubs.
I'd also say that the general 'rowdiness' has got worse over the last few years after all most pubs did not need door staff or bouncers and a friend who had the dubious pleasure of working in A and E says that injury as a direct result of drunken 'rowdiness' has increased dramatically.
I'm fully aware there were under age drinkers in the early 80's as they sometimes tried to get into the Wap with limited success I might add.

I have a theory about this - as I get older, the people who actually are old enough to drink look younger and younger. I'm sure there are a few underage drinkers that slip through the net - but it does always embarass me when I get asked for ID when I'm older than most of the people already in the pub.

There are indeed a lot of baby faces around and it's so annoying when they turn up in your favorite watering hole and lower the tone of the establishment. However I've helped out at a youth group and quite a few of the people I know around my area have teenage kids. So I've known gangly little eight year olds turning into 'sophisticated' 16-17 year old and as I still talk to them they quite openly talk about the kingdom and other such places that they go to. I want to know where they are getting the money from or has pocket money gone up a lot? I knew one 14 year old lass who had an older boyfriend and used to go out clubbing on a regular basis and I find it difficult to believe that any door person would pass her over as I've seen her in her glad rags and she still looks very young. It amused me a while ago when there was a group of young people in a pub at Attercliffe, I'd spotted them and just knew they were under-age. My friend overheard their conversation and they were talking about what they'd been doing at school. Unfortunately for them one of the bar staff overheard the same conversation and so they were asked for proof of age and then asked politely to leave and not come back. I'm pretty sure as well that the landlord then rang two other pubs just along the road and warned them of the group in quesation.

I've never had a problem with the bouncers at Gatecrasher One, the only place I've ever had a bad experience with bouncers was at Kingdom. The cash machine had broken so we were told that if we told the bouncers that we were going to get cash then they'd let us out to get it, then let us back in. When we asked instead of just saying 'Well, you need to all brink back a reciept from the cash machine' we got 'Well, it doesn't take 3 of you to go to the bank, why do you all need to go, can't she go on her own?' When we told him that we weren't going to let one girl wander off on her own, and that we all wanted to get cash, we were very rudely told that we all had to bring reciepts back or they wouldn't let us in. Now I understand their point, but they were really rude about it, and there was no need imo.

Originally posted by Twiglet
I have a theory about this - as I get older, the people who actually are old enough to drink look younger and younger. I'm sure there are a few underage drinkers that slip through the net - but it does always embarass me when I get asked for ID when I'm older than most of the people already in the pub.

How old are you twiglet? It would thrill me to be asked! :clap: :clap: :thumbsup:

Corporation have the worse Doorman in town in my opinion. Not only do they allow anyone in they also do a good job of acting like complete morons inside.

Did you see the story in the star the other day about the 14 year old who flashed her boobs and somebody took a photo which ended up in a magazine. That happened at corp.

Originally posted by carcrash
Did you see the story in the star the other day about the 14 year old who flashed her boobs and somebody took a photo which ended up in a magazine. That happened at corp.

I'm absolutely amazed corporation hasn't been busted. The place is blatantly a haven for kids. I've stood in the queue to get in before and not seen a single person over the age of 16, very few people who go even look anything like 18.

It is a joke and I do not understand how they get away with it or why they still use that security firm.
This is how the star reported it. I heard this story or something along the same lines a few weeks ago.
http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=952638

Originally posted by Twiglet
I have a theory about this - as I get older, the people who actually are old enough to drink look younger and younger. I'm sure there are a few underage drinkers that slip through the net - but it does always embarass me when I get asked for ID when I'm older than most of the people already in the pub.

It gets worse. I thought that was embarassing enough. But today, I got asked how old I was when.....

I was trying to buy a little champagne truffle egg in a packed out Thorntons. How humiliated.

Last night my other half went to a birthday party for one of the staff where she works - it was at the stonehouse.

As she walks in, the bouncer asks her if she has any ID - other half replies by asking if he is taking the p**s as she is 28 - and looks it.

Bouncers reply - "dont worry love, im only having a laugh, it gives me more time to perve"

Talk about bad staff.....with comments like that he shouldnt be doing the job.

I feel sorry for a lot of bouncers, its not their fault they couldn't get into the police force!

Corp have terrible door staff. The guys at the devonshire cat on a friday and saturday night are pretty good, I think. I saw them dealing with a really drunk guy last night through the window and they managed it well.

DJ Shadowman, that is not uncommon, lots of bouncers seem to think that their job gives them a license to fondle, patronise and perve!

I read something about how some clubs in london have started using more female bouncers (these girls were pretty hench tho!) as they are better at diffusing the situation, and drunk guys are less likely to square up to them. I reckon its a pretty good idea.

The Museum aka Hogshead...........6 of us tried to get in the other night and we were looked up and down as though we werent good enough to go in......told em to stick it.......!

Originally posted by Agent Gypo
I'm absolutely amazed corporation hasn't been busted. The place is blatantly a haven for kids. I've stood in the queue to get in before and not seen a single person over the age of 16, very few people who go even look anything like 18.

me too

Originally posted by carcrash
Did you see the story in the star the other day about the 14 year old who flashed her boobs and somebody took a photo which ended up in a magazine. That happened at corp.
Missed that is there a web link to that story?????

Originally posted by goldenfleece
Missed that is there a web link to that story?????

Check the posts above.

It's at http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=952638

Let me say that asa door supervisor we have to deal with some right idiots,you see it works both ways.
I still find it amusing how people make a complete fool of themselves when they have had too much to drink.
Still they keep me and others in a job so ,some of you who slag off doormen ought to try it most of you would not last 5 minutes in the job

Most bouncers think they own the place, and no one is better then them, but they do have a hard job, with all the idiots about and things like stabbings & shootings that happen in clubs. I know that i woudnt want to be a bouncer.
There are some really nice bouncers about tho, that are really friendly and if they see you getting in trouble outside clubs they will help.

:clap:

Royjames so does that excuse blatant sexual harrassment? I'm not saying all bouncers are like this by any means, and I'm certainly not arguing it's an easy job. But every time I go to Gatecrasher the bouncers seem to believe it is their right to say leering comments to me and even on one occasion try to grope me. I not rowdy and I hardly ever get hammered, I just think some bouncers get off on the power trip.

Originally posted by THCAyle
zero doorstaff are definately very proffesional,and polite.

but it ****** me off when they ID me and im old enough,make me run all the way home to get me ID,and then search me,rar

oh well

Many a person would love to swap places with you THCAyle!

The Police had a crackdown on underage drinkers back end of last summer. Pubs and clubs appeared to have got the message - and seem more prone to insist on ID if in any doubt.

There will always be underage drinkers though. I know, I once was one.

the doorstaff at zero are probably the best door staff you could ever come across.

Got to agree the Zero bouncers (well at least the ones working UG are quality). I got randomly I.d'ed walking into the Cav on fri a weekk ago and that was the first time i've ever been I.D'ed in sheffield (im 19).

Went out in lincoln last summer and got I.D'ed in various places. My old local when i went to ^6 form (again back in the shire) recently got properly raided in part of an underage crackdown.They checked every person and found just under 40 underage drinkers

From my experience...

Sheffield University security...

VERY professional. I was turned away and pi**ed up (this was a long while ago, I'm older and wiser now), up for a scrap with them, I was very confrontational and would have been up for a ruck with them. Their demenour defused the situation, and I left quietly, having shaken hands with one of the doormen. That's how it SHOULD be done. No need for violence, force or police.

Nowadays, I find the Devonshire Cat door personnel polite and agreeable. It was full to capacity a couple of weeks ago, and I happily whiled away the time chatting to them until people left and the manager told them to allow more people in.

Leadmill staff? Bad old days of the "bouncing" tradfe I'm afraid

think sheff uni security depends on the person. generally given more responsible guidelines than some places but some still give them a bad name. had a very bad experience with them, was stone cold sober and watched one lay into my friend. some are students though

To Lucy of course you cant excuse bad behavour,all that does is make the job of resposible doomen like me all the harder.
I would sugest you report the doormen in question,they have NO place in the job anymore.

Roy it's good to know some doormen have morals ;)

I would report them but it was last summer! And at the time was just interested in having a good night out with my friends. In Gatecrasher's defence, I haven't had this happen more than once. And haven't seen the one particularly bad guy there for ages so fingers crossed he's been fired!

Originally posted by Lucy_Smith
Roy it's good to know some doormen have morals ;)

I would report them but it was last summer! And at the time was just interested in having a good night out with my friends. In Gatecrasher's defence, I haven't had this happen more than once. And haven't seen the one particularly bad guy there for ages so fingers crossed he's been fired!

Roy? Morals? You should see some of his posts on immigration!

Originally posted by JonJParr
Roy? Morals? You should see some of his posts on immigration!


A entirely different subject. Thanks.

Originally posted by royjames
A entirely different subject. Thanks.

Sorry Roy - couldn't resist. Just out of interest which establishment do you work at?

Lol not to worry I work at many venues,all depends where im needed.
Why you after a job??:hihi:

Quite ironic that Roy should be in charge of who to let in or out of a club, when he's so keen to be able to dictate who shouldn't be let in and who should be kicked out of the country!

(Not having a go, just an observation ;) )

Originally posted by royjames
Lol not to worry I work at many venues,all depends where im needed.
Why you after a job??:hihi:

Who me? I'm a business consultant - I'm more brains than braun!

Hey Guys dont worry I dont discriminate who I let in .
Mind you if I knew someone was a true leftie I might have second thoughts.
Only joking. lol:hihi:

Originally posted by royjames
Hey Guys dont worry I dont discriminate who I let in .
Mind you if I knew someone was a true leftie I might have second thoughts.
Only joking. lol:hihi:

You heard of S&P Security Roy? What do you think of them?

No thats not one I heard of.

Am aware of Roy's rather radical views on immigration but think he has obvious morals surrounding not sexually harassing women! Which is a good thing :bigsmile:

roy, which firm do you work for?

Corporations bouncers are terrible for everything. A certain bounder that's now working for Fez Club is also a bonafide bumbaklat.

Best bouncers I think maybe BIA HOI.

Originally posted by J-Blaze
. A certain bounder that's now working for Fez Club is also a bonafide bumbaklat.


I think i knowwho you are on about- this certain bouncer manhandled my exgirlfriend and her mate around in a VERY rough manor for doing nothing else apart from bumping into him as he walked behind her- he physically pusher her across the dancefloor!!

He got reported and allegedly told off but he was there next week!!

Sounds very much like him, he used to work at The Forum but left for some reason :rolleyes:

Well I know nowt about Sheff nightclubs as I've only just moved here from M'cr (cheers for the room Scott!) but if the doormen here are represented well by your comments then you guys have no clue how lucky you are.

I've been a bar manager in the past and have seen a lot of stuff to make me dislike as well as respect doorstaff.

Manc doormen, two or three large firms of thugs on the most part, the doorsafe scheme is helping but it isn't policed very well so that don't help. That said I know a small firm of doormen pretty well and once you see it from their side of things your views do change a bit.

I've been turned away for telling doormen that it is illegal to search a girl (full pat search and inside outer clothing layers) without female doorstaff or barstaff there. It is, but they don't mind. Searched her anyway, had a good feel then turned us all away.


Power trip yeah, I agree, but it's not a consistent thing. They might be all high and mighty for an hour or two then be lovely for the rest of the evening. It's not doormen per se, it's just what people are like really.

MAtt

Just listening to the radio this morning:

As the new regulations involving the SIA (Security Industry Authority) have come into force in Sheffield, the police conducted a sweep at the weekend.
Out of 200 door staff checked, about 40 (20%) were found not to have applied for registration and were taken off the job. (I think there was some leniency with regard to those who could show that they had applied but there paperwork had not come through yet)

Of those 20% a majority were said to have a 'criminal' history and would not be eligible for registration.

Hello everyone - everyone who likes and dislikes us bouncers. I have read many comments here, many of them from people like RoyJames who is a bouncer, and from people who know nothing about this job. I have been working doors now for quite a while in different venues, Bia Hoi, Forum, Casbah and Sharkeys.

You see slagging bouncers off doesnt really give you any credit. Yes sexual advancements towards women is bad and I am totally against it. I am against abuse of power. But let me tell you something for those who dont know. It is on average 70 people per bouncer on an average night - now tell me all you who insult us, could youhandle 70 people? People of all kinds, drunk, violent, racist, possibly mentally unstable? Everyday we go on doors we dont know if we will come back without being stabbed, or ending up in a massive fight. Oh yes it is true, i know people who had their heads smashed with bottles, a guy who was bitten and a chunk of his chest came out, people being hit with crutches, and I can go on like this forever. Has any one of you who says bouncers are on a power trip been in a situation where its 4 of you fighting a group of 18 people? Hell no cause if you did you wouldnt talk like ****.

We may be thugs, we may be genuine people, we may be dumb or arrogant (like some here say) but without us you wouldnt be able to go out and have fun - remember people that being a bouncer is not all about how big you are - its to do with who you know as well. I am only 12 stone - not really a giant, but its the people we know, sometimes very tough, sometimes people who could turn a venue into a slaughter (yes!) and the way we approach them and talk to them, askem them to behave - you people dont even notice these things. How do you know when next time you go to the bar to order a drink - who you stand next to? Yes we are strict with ID's now, yes we search people - nothing wrong with that, because when it kicks off its out job to sort it and not yours, you people will be let out of fire exits and go home safe. So have some respect - if you still know what respect means.

Well said King_Solomon.. Don't worry about half of the people on here complaining, their sole mission in life is to be miserable, they'll get over it :thumbsup:

Welcome to the forum by the way.

GazB

Thank You GAZB! What do you do for life anyway? You are one of the few sensible people here I guess

Originally posted by King_Solomon
Everyday we go on doors we dont know if we will come back without being stabbed, or ending up in a massive fight. Oh yes it is true, i know people who had their heads smashed with bottles, a guy who was bitten and a chunk of his chest came out, people being hit with crutches, and I can go on like this forever.

Whilst I cannot condone that type of behaviour it must be pointed out that sometimes bouncers do provoke a reaction. Is it absolutely necessary to throw someone out onto the concrete for questioning you? Is it absolutely necessary to be letchy towards women?

Now before you remind me - I realise that not all bouncers are like that. But people always remember bad behaviour over good behaviour. Unfortunately, all too often doormen behave unprofessionally and are too heavy handed. Some doormen should remember that when they're stood on a door they're at work! So show us some respect and in the long run you might just find that we might show you more. After all, respect is earnt.

And a bit of free advice to doormen who are a little heavy handed: get a very good solicitor.

Originally posted by King_Solomon
Thank You GAZB! What do you do for life anyway? You are one of the few sensible people here I guess

Most people don't see it from both sides. Also, you'll find 90% of the people on here complaining about people that generalise.. then they get on this thread after a bad experience with ONE bouncer, and tar them all with the same brush! Don't let them get your back up buddy.

Originally posted by JonJParr
Is it absolutely necessary to throw someone out onto the concrete for questioning you? Is it absolutely necessary to be letchy towards women?

So how many bouncers have you seen do this?

The amount of nights out I've had goes well into triple figures, and I've never once seen a bouncer be "letchy" towards women. I've seen them use force, but in the situations I've witnessed, it's what I'd call reasonable.

EDIT: Sorry, quoted instead of editing.

Well i guess you have ended up on concrete floor a couple of times, and will do in the future. When you come to the door and behave properly you very rarely will be disrespected by a bouncer. We dont need your advice for free solicitors because we have a Union where we get it free anyway. Other thing, when you get asked for ID you dont need to mumble funny comments, or stick your fingers out if you are turned down or walk away and start insulting doormen. Thats why scum like you ends up on concrete floor. Carry a cushion with you mate, it may not hurt that bad. LOL

About bouncers. There's some good ones and bad ones as there are other in most other jobs - the thing is with the bad ones I suppose is that they can cause a lot of harm although i wouldn't want to deal with drunk people all the time.

with roy i think a racist person shouldnt work on the doors because i've been there before with friends when they are turned away because of their colour and it has a bad psychologocal effect.

Some are idiots and some are thugs but most of them are fine and don't get paid very much for what can be a dangerous jobs. Also sometimes we blame bouncers for things that are the venue's fault -for example normally at closing time they all get a bit tetchy but then one of them told me that is cos they are only paid til half an hour past the close and its their rtesponisibility to make sure the place is empty.

worst ones ? - there was one bloke who i've seen working at the forum and showroom who stood there once bragging about beating up homeless peoople and was pointlessly aggressive towards people.

best ones ? - the ones who smile on the way in and you don't notice them unless they're needed.

Think it all depends on what the venue's like. Rough place - u need rough bouncers. Never understood why University bouncers are so heavy handed (unless they hate students). Also at Hallam Union on friday the security were like prison wardens. Controlling your enjoyment.

If at least 1 in 10 customers were like GAZB, no one would end up on concrete floor! High five GAZ

Originally posted by GazB
So how many bouncers have you seen do this?

The amount of nights out I've had goes well into triple figures, and I've never once seen a bouncer be "letchy" towards women. I've seen them use force, but in the situations I've seen, it' what I'd call reasonable.

Too many Gaz - from when I was still at University I remember nearly every single bouncer being letchy towards the girls who used to go out with us. It's so unprofessional Gaz - admit it! To date the only bouncers I've come across who a shred of professionalism about them are those at Vodka Revolution.

GOLDEN I know who you talking about at the Forum, bragging about beating homeless people - he is scum. A person who is strong, doesnt hurt the weak or people who are unable to fight back.

Yes like you said its a dangerous job, thank you for understanding. Come to Sharkeys, I work there, you will not get any hastle, like you said venue = bouncers.

Originally posted by JonJParr
Too many Gaz - from when I was still at University I remember nearly every single bouncer being letchy towards the girls who used to go out with us. It's so unprofessional Gaz - admit it! To date the only bouncers I've come across who a shred of professionalism about them are those at Vodka Revolution.

Nothing to admit Jonboy! A couple of my friends are bouncers and they're the friendliest, most sociable guys you could meet!

Yes Gaz, you are right. Jonyboy, will you challange the fact that girls here themselves wear clothes that reveal more than they conceal? they all like flashing their titts out and behave like slags. I have seen a girl in my venue take her thongs of and flash to the people around, so what you call that?

Originally posted by King_Solomon
Well i guess you have ended up on concrete floor a couple of times, and will do in the future. When you come to the door and behave properly you very rarely will be disrespected by a bouncer. We dont need your advice for free solicitors because we have a Union where we get it free anyway. Other thing, when you get asked for ID you dont need to mumble funny comments, or stick your fingers out if you are turned down or walk away and start insulting doormen. Thats why scum like you ends up on concrete floor. Carry a cushion with you mate, it may not hurt that bad. LOL

Solomon, how wrong you are about me. I've never ended up on a concrete floor in my life. In fact I've never been asked for ID and I've never personally had any dealings with a bouncer at all. It's probably because I drink at bars that don't need them (because they're far too expensive to attract the scum that would start a brawl). My views are based on testimonies by trusted friends who witnessed appauling behaviour from doormen. Whilst I've already acknowledged that all doormen are not like that - you must remember that customers generally remember bad behaviour over good behaviour. In my opinion, when at work you should act friendly, polite and professional to your customers. If you don't, or if someone in your profession doesn't expect the customer to take a dim view of that profession.

As for sticking up two fingers and insulting doormen : it's wholly unnecessary and inpolite.

Oooh, and what bars are these, that are so expensive? Testimonials from friends? Its better to see 1 time than hear 100 times. But hey may be I was a bit too harsh on you, sorry. Its just that I do take it personally - we are doing one of the most dangerous jobs. Try Crystal, nice atmosphere, good environment, quality people

Originally posted by King_Solomon
Try Crystal, nice atmosphere, good environment, quality people

I'll second that, I know one of the bouncers on the door- Top lad.

Originally posted by King_Solomon
Yes Gaz, you are right. Jonyboy, will you challange the fact that girls here themselves wear clothes that reveal more than they conceal? they all like flashing their titts out and behave like slags. I have seen a girl in my venue take her thongs of and flash to the people around, so what you call that?

Firstly, my name is Jon. It's certainly never Johnny and I'm not a "boy" - so please leave the patronising remarks well alone. I'll admit that some women leave nothing to the imagination and wear terrible outfits. The behaviour that you've just described is uncouth and wholly uncalled for however that still doesn't give you the right to be inpolite and letchy to them does it? I'd simply take the woman in question aside and inform her that her behaviour leaves a lot to be desired. Surely that's more effective than innuendo?

I dont think you had to deal with people who have been drinking since 12am.

Not trying to take sides here at all, but leching over scantilly clad women isn't an activity solely reserved for bouncers.

In fact, take a look around you next time you're in a club, you'll probably find it's the majority of male clubbers doing the leching.

Originally posted by King_Solomon
Oooh, and what bars are these, that are so expensive? Testimonials from friends? Its better to see 1 time than hear 100 times. But hey may be I was a bit too harsh on you, sorry. Its just that I do take it personally - we are doing one of the most dangerous jobs. Try Crystal, nice atmosphere, good environment, quality people

I don't mean for you to take it personally Solomon and I'll admit your job is substantially more dangerous than mine (unless of course you think the Board room isn't dangerous!) and I'm sure my comments should be directed at the minority AND NOT the majority.

As for the expensive bar - I first tried the Sugar Lounge, Deansgate Locks but the doormen were meatheads who were rude and arrogant. I have, however found the bouncers at the Living Room to be extremely polite and professional (but then I do always slip them some money for a drink on me! :thumbsup: )

Originally posted by JonJParr
Firstly, my name is Jon. It's certainly never Johnny and I'm not a "boy" - so please leave the patronising remarks well alone.

Don't take offense Jonboy, it means we like you :thumbsup:

Originally posted by JonJParr
Surely that's more effective than innuendo?

Ridiculous! Surely a good old slap on the rear end would shut up the feisty female? :)

A SPOT-check on bouncers working in Sheffield over the weekend led to 42 being barred from the doors of pubs and clubs.
Police officers spent Friday and Saturday night checking the registration badges of 206 door staff working in the city centre to ensure they are registered with the Security Industry Authority.

More of this story here: http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=989249

As some will know I work in the door industry and I know that many doormen and women are at the mercy of the SIA,they are still awaiting the badges which they sent for many months ago.
I hoped the police would have understood the problems which have arisen and had given a little more time for the badges to arrive.
There is the real chance that some doormen will lose a great deal of money for the incompitance of the SIA,it needs top be reassed again I feel.

Originally posted by royjames
As some will know I work in the door industry and I know that many doormen and women are at the mercy of the SIA,they are still awaiting the badges which they sent for many months ago.
I hoped the police would have understood the problems which have arisen and had given a little more time for the badges to arrive.
There is the real chance that some doormen will lose a great deal of money for the incompitance of the SIA,it needs top be reassed again I feel. Would this situation be avoidable if the SIA supplied an up to date list of the doormen/women in the Sheffield area that have trained with them before such checks were made?

Such a list could then be checked against ID being carried by the doormen/women being checked out.

Originally posted by Carmine
Would this situation be avoidable if the SIA supplied an up to date list of the doormen/women in the Sheffield area that have trained with them before such checks were made?

Such a list could then be checked against ID being carried by the doormen/women being checked out.
I can just imagine this,
Police: "sorry you can't stay there if your names not on the list",
Bouncer: "it is look, there, I'm... ...er... ...that's me, Peter Stringfellow, erm..."

;)

Originally posted by foo_fighter
Police: "sorry you can't stay there if your names not on the list";) LOL!!!:thumbsup:

What has tended to happen is that the doorman has kept the certificatte which shows they have been on the training course and passed the exam.
This shows a unique number which you show the police,this has been acceptable till april 1,now you have to show the license.
I know some doormen who are considering suing the SIA for loss of earnings.

Good, my mates have had trouble with bouncers before and when they asked for there bouncer ID they just laughed and booted them out!!

Originally posted by scottf
Good, my mates have had trouble with bouncers before and when they asked for there bouncer ID they just laughed and booted them out!!

This is a problem we had at Bed, except the bouncer cracked one of our party before throwing him out.

I'm not jumping on the 'all bouncers are evil' bandwagon that's travelling through the forum at the moment, but I think these new measures might weed out some of the meatheads.

I feel you are mising the point though,yes lets get rid of the bad doormen but those who have paid good money for this badge deserve to be treated better.
They have done what was required by law ie done the training and now because the SIA are so slow at processing the badges are faced with the prospect of losing hundreds if not thousands of pounds.
It sucks.

I heard a report on the radio this morning (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?postid=354070#post354070) and the police representative did suggest that if doormen could show that training had been done and applications made then they were OK. It's not hard to have a photocopy of your application with you, when you know there is a potential problem.

They also said that there were a number of the 20% removed that came up on name checks as having a criminal history that makes them inelligible for a door job which would explain why they had not applied.

Originally posted by royjames

I hoped the police would have understood the problems which have arisen and had given a little more time for the badges to arrive.


But the police gave an extension until 01 April for doormen to get their registrations in order. If 80% can get it sorted, why can't the other 20% - or weren't they registered in the first place?

Originally posted by cgksheff
I heard a report on the radio this morning (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?postid=354070#post354070) and the police representative did suggest that if doormen could show that training had been done and applications made then they were OK. It's not hard to have a photocopy of your application with you, when you know there is a potential problem.

They also said that there were a number of the 20% removed that came up on name checks as having a criminal history that makes them inelligible for a door job which would explain why they had not applied.

This is good news if the police are going to allow it,trouble is they seem to change their minds all the time.
I along with other doormen do indeed keep my certificatte which shows I have passed the course and the letter all doormen get from the SIA to say they have received the application and its being processed.
As you will gather I am one of those who are awaiting the bloody badge,we will see what happens this weekend,whether I have to travel outside Sheffield again like I did last week to earn a living.

Originally posted by redrobbo
But the police gave an extension until 01 April for doormen to get their registrations in order. If 80% can get it sorted, why can't the other 20% - or weren't they registered in the first place?

No waht has happend is that the SIA have had the applications of some doormen since before xmass and still they havent got the badge.

Well said King soloman you have made the case for us very well .I just wish some on here could hear and see the abuse we get every weekend, they might change their minds if they did.
:thumbsup:

Originally posted by royjames
To see and not speek,that would be the GREAT BETRAYAL.

ENOCH POWELL.

Why have you got a quote from Enoch Powell as your sig? Oh I forgot you are the overtly racist bigotted one aren't you.

Tw@

by the way it is spelt speak

Originally posted by 5_HATS
Why have you got a quote from Enoch Powell as your sig? Oh I forgot you are the overtly racist bigotted one aren't you.

Tw@

by the way it is spelt speak


Try sticking to the subject .or I will report your post for being abusive.

My younger sister is at school with that girl!

It's unusual for someone to have sigs with quotes from politicians with a racist anti-immigration stance, but still, each to their own...

Originally posted by royjames
Well said King soloman you have made the case for us very well. :thumbsup:
So Roy, I take it this great and consistant work as a door-person (and ex-council employee) means you don't want to send King_Solomon back to the Yemen.

Just wondered given your normal stance on these things.

:confused:

Originally posted by Agent Gypo
This is a problem we had at Bed, except the bouncer cracked one of our party before throwing him out.

I'm not jumping on the 'all bouncers are evil' bandwagon that's travelling through the forum at the moment, but I think these new measures might weed out some of the meatheads.
Just to confirm (so people dont think I'm evil :P ) I'm no longer a bouncer. Even though, when I was I was a really nice guy.

And I have a radio interview with BBC Radio Sheffield to prove it :D

the worst door men in sheffield has to be "NICHE" they dont mess about there rough plus they have to wear bullet proof vests while working

And you know why we have to wear vests its to stop some idiot from killing us,its a hard life being a doorman beleive me.

Foo_fighter whats your problem? Have you got anything against me being from Yemen? Well if you do, go and do something about it.

Originally posted by King_Solomon
Foo_fighter whats your problem? Have you got anything against me being from Yemen? Well if you do, go and do something about it.
King_Solomon, no I certainly don't...

...but your new best buddy royjames might have, just read up on his party politics if you don't believe me.

(it was Roy I was questioning, not you, but typically, he didn't answer the question)

Edit to add
Just noticed the tone of this bit,
Originally posted by King_Solomon
Well if you do, go and do something about it.
Hmmm, is that your bouncer training speaking there, nicely defusing any tension without any threats of violence. ;)

I dont have best buddys here, I just express my opinions. If someone has sayings of racist politicians attached to them, well thats their point of view, people are entitled to have an opinion arent they. I am personally not racist as I come from a mixed background, so there you go.

However I do agree that the SIA is incompetent. And for those who want to do something about it I would advise to join a union called FEDS - if you want to know more about it let me know.

Mod: As the internet equivalent of a bouncer, I'm asking you to calm down and get back on topic folks.
:thumbsup:

Foo doing some stiring again,never mind ignore is best policy.
As to the feds union yes my company boss has joined and wants all the lads to do the same.
I think I will await to see the outcome of my application before doing anything ,If I get refused then I will certainly consider legal advice.:thumbsup:

Roy, most people on this Forum are well aware of your views towards minority ethnics and asylum seekers. As such I'd like to pose a question to you which is designed to gauge your professionalism when in your workplace.

Q: When working on the door of an establishment are you, in anyway, unfair or discriminatory in your treatment of minority ethnics and/or asylum seekers? If a situation breaks out that you have to deal with are you, perhaps, more likely to be heavy-handed with those whom you 'dislike'?

Just thought I'd add my view on the original point.
Having worked with a lot of bouncers on building sites, I have met some who do it just for the kudos, some for the women they can "pull", some who like to fight and some who need the money.

As in all walks of life you get varying characters, but to tar them all with the same brush is just the attitude that causes a lot of todays problems.

From experience the vast majority of people only see a doorperson when a situation has become physical, they don't know the events preceding it.

Granted I have seen bouncers go "over the top", but if someone attempts to stick a glass in your face for questioning their right to grab your girlfriends backside, (usually backed up by 4 equally ****** mates) you may be glad to see a bouncer escort them off the premises, even if he has not recieved his badge yet.

In answer to your question I treat everyone the same,I never let my politics interfere with my work.
In fact last week I was called a racist by a whiet guy because I refused him entry and let in a couple of black guys.
He said your a fing racist ,you let them in but not me,When I told him he was drunk and they were sober he walked off.
No keep the two seperate.

Originally posted by royjames
In answer to your question I treat everyone the same,I never let my politics interfere with my work.
In fact last week I was called a racist by a whiet guy because I refused him entry and let in a couple of black guys.
He said your a fing racist ,you let them in but not me,When I told him he was drunk and they were sober he walked off.
No keep the two seperate.

No need to get touchy Roy - I was asking a legitimate question. If you want to ensure we maintain 'separatism' you may wish to remove your signature. Just a thought....

Jon im not being touchy,simply answering your question:loopy:
I wont change my signature thanks ,maybe you might try getting one:thumbsup:
Oh and have a nice day.:hihi:

Originally posted by royjames
I wont change my signature thanks ,maybe you might try getting one:thumbsup:

Maybe you should just spell "speak" correctly then.

Originally posted by JonJParr
Maybe you should just spell "speak" correctly then.

Now now lets not start getting pedantic thank you
;) Oh and not too sure about the signature:heyhey:
Seriously JON are you not a Tory? just wonderd thats all.:thumbsup:

Originally posted by royjames
Now now lets not start getting pedantic thank you
;) Oh and not too sure about the signature:heyhey:
Seriously JON are you not a Tory? just wonderd thats all.:thumbsup:

I am indeed a card carrying Tory Roy. Why?

Nothing wrong with that Jon just I know you and my mate Timo are true blue tories.

Originally posted by royjames
Nothing wrong with that Jon just I know you and my mate Timo are true blue tories.

Amongst other things, it's to do with protecting my assets from being taxed at 40% when I die.

Originally posted by JonJParr
It's all to do with protecting my assets from being taxed at 40% when I die.

I have to say I do like what your party says on certain subjects,we had better get back on topic though ,before the mods have words lol.

Originally posted by royjames
I have to say I do like what your party says on certain subjects,we had better get back on topic though ,before the mods have words lol.

It's just the nature of our streams of consciousness. How people can expect a conversation between two to remain within the confines of a particular topic is beyond me. The whole nature of conversation, tête-à-tête, dialogue, exchange is that it remains open to serendipity. Wouldn't you agree?

Originally posted by royjames
Foo doing some stiring again,never mind ignore is best policy.

I've only had occasion to talk to you once before, and that was to defend someone you were sniping at (who was merely introducing themselves as being new to the country), so how is this me
Originally posted by royjames
doing some stiring again.

:confused:

I thought it was best to warn King_Solomon of your real character (given you were being “pally”, but obviously didn't mean it given your previous form), simple as that really.

Oh, and I’ll do it again with pleasure, as your sig’ says “To see and not speak, that would be the GREAT BETRAYAL”, so, I see you being racist, I must therefore speak up and let others know.

Originally posted by JonJParr
It's just the nature of our streams of consciousness. How people can expect a conversation between two to remain within the confines of a particular topic is beyond me. The whole nature of conversation, tête-à-tête, dialogue, exchange is that it remains open to serendipity. Wouldn't you agree?


Yes Jon I do agree with that comment.

Can I just make something clear? I appreciate all your remarks and also warnings that some people are racist. To be honest with you I have faced racism many times here in the UK. From bus drivers, in supermarkets, at work, in bars and on the door. I had knives pulled on me as well. I can only say that racism is ignorence. I am proud of where I come from, I have learnt alot from both my backgrounds, I speak 3 languages fluently, and I learn things everywhere I go. For these who are against assylum seekers - yes I can see why some of you dont like them, but hey if all the British people around the world come back to the UK you people will have 5 times more coming back than the amount of assylum seekers who come here. People should live in peace.

As of doorwork, I dont care who comes through my door, as long as people behave and dont disturb other customers. Who do you work for anyway roy? Ace or SafeHouse? What if we work side by side and never even know that, ha ha!

Originally posted by King_Solomon
...I can only say that racism is ignorence. I am proud of where I come from, I have learnt alot from both my backgrounds, I speak 3 languages fluently, and I learn things everywhere I go. For these who are against assylum seekers - yes I can see why some of you dont like them, but hey if all the British people around the world come back to the UK you people will have 5 times more coming back than the amount of assylum seekers who come here. People should live in peace.

As of doorwork, I dont care who comes through my door, as long as people behave and dont disturb other customers. Who do you work for anyway roy? Ace or SafeHouse? What if we work side by side and never even know that, ha ha!
Well said. :)

I think there is alot of people who slag off bouncers just because other people do. Very similar to people who do the same with the police...

As a general rule i've noticed that people who constantly abuse bouncers and police are generally people who cause troble or act like morons which results in trouble with the police.

I think the bouncers at kingdom are idiots sometimes. But like royjames said in a much earlier post, if the guys have spent the past 2 months (especially round xmas) dealing with idiots, drugged or drunk abusive chavs then dont they have a right to sometimes be abit cheesed off?

Going back to kingdom they are generally the exception, i have been banned 3 times... none of these occasions could they explain why. Once a random guy decided to punch and kick my mate to the floor, my mate got thrown out and kicked outside by the bouncers while the guy who launched an unprovoked attack got nothing. I set the record straight by smashing a bottle over his head... OK i deserved to be thrown out by why should people put up with that?

As for all the other places i go to fairly regularly (gatecrasher, cavendish, varsity, champs, s1, vodka revolution, halycon, forum) i've always found the bouncers to be very reasonable, professional and concerned for peoples safety.

As for sexual harassment, this is obviously not on. But SOME girls do dress up to attract this sort of behaviour, which often starts the trouble which leads to the bouncers getting slated on forums such as this!

Originally posted by Connect4Fun
As for sexual harassment, this is obviously not on. But SOME girls do dress up to attract this sort of behaviour, which often starts the trouble which leads to the bouncers getting slated on forums such as this!

I'm sorry but that really infuriates me. I think women have the right to wear what the want without getting harrassed by anybody, yet alone bouncers. I know what some girls wear clubbing is obscene, at times I've gone out dressed like that. But it is certainly NOT to attract harrassment, it's because it makes me feel confident and sexy!

I haven't slated all bouncers, was just talking about one particular experience at Gatecrasher. And in my opionin they deserve to be slated for behaving so disgusting that night. Saying that women dress to attract harrasment is akin to the bigots who blame rape on women dressing provocatively. But hey it's typical..."don't blame the man, he couldn't help himself"

:rant: :rant: :rant:

Well said, Lucy. There are few things more despicable than people blaming rape on women dressing scantily. I have had this arguement so many times, people (men usually) saying "Oh COME ON, you have to admit, it IS kind of their fault".

But that is off topic. Some bouncers are great, others are not.

One time in a bar in leeds a fight broke out right next to me and my sister and I got hit in the face by one of the guys fighting! (think it was an accident) As the bouncers were trying to split these guys up one of them picked me up and carried me outside and they got me a drink and wanted to take me to hospital, and just generally were lovely to me. Other times in sheffield I have had my ass pinched by bouncers (ooo roy just think it could've been you! joking :) )and had lechy things said to me when my boyfriends not been listening, or when they know he can't do anything cos they've got all the cards.

I personally think its up to the club management to find out what sort of job their staff are doing, and if you dont like the bouncers of a certain place you should get in touch with the management to complain.

Originally posted by Lucy_Smith
I'm sorry but that really infuriates me. I think women have the right to wear what the want without getting harrassed by anybody, yet alone bouncers. I know what some girls wear clubbing is obscene, at times I've gone out dressed like that. But it is certainly NOT to attract harrassment, it's because it makes me feel confident and sexy!

I haven't slated all bouncers, was just talking about one particular experience at Gatecrasher. And in my opionin they deserve to be slated for behaving so disgusting that night. Saying that women dress to attract harrasment is akin to the bigots who blame rape on women dressing provocatively. But hey it's typical..."don't blame the man, he couldn't help himself"

:rant: :rant: :rant:

1. I was'nt aiming any of the post at you.
2. Some girls do dress to get attention like that, I know... I used to go out with one!!
3. I never said it was ok for bouncers to do that
4. I dont know what they did to you, so I cant disagree with what your saying
5. I think men who rape women deserve to die a slow and painful death

All i was saying is some girls love the attention other girls dont want, which provokes trouble and ends up with bouncers getting a bad name. Example was in Gatecrasher a few weeks ago, a girl was beating this other girl senseless.. The bouncer stepped in and had to grab her to protect the other girl. She then kicked off saying he was sexually harrassing her. THATS the sort of people who p*ss me off!

That is a very good point. Some girls reckon they can get away with all sorts because they are girls, and they ruin it for the rest of us!

Originally posted by Connect4Fun
1. I was'nt aiming any of the post at you.
2. Some girls do dress to get attention like that, I know... I used to go out with one!!
3. I never said it was ok for bouncers to do that
4. I dont know what they did to you, so I cant disagree with what your saying
5. I think men who rape women deserve to die a slow and painful death

All i was saying is some girls love the attention other girls dont want, which provokes trouble and ends up with bouncers getting a bad name. Example was in Gatecrasher a few weeks ago, a girl was beating this other girl senseless.. The bouncer stepped in and had to grab her to protect the other girl. She then kicked off saying he was sexually harrassing her. THATS the sort of people who p*ss me off!

Didn't say you were aiming your post at me, it just makes me so mad when people blame women. However women dress is completely irrelevent, they do not deserve to be perved on whether they want to or not. I can understand it from guys in clubs but bouncers are supposed to be doing a job. Luckily the majority of bouncers are great but there are the odd few who are on a power trip and think they can say/do whatever they want to women. Sorry if my post came accross harsh, was just having a rant :thumbsup:

I kinda agree with Lucy (this is my first post by the way!). I have noticed that at any club if women wear next to nothing they always get special treatment from the bouncers. And i am sure that they are not just doing it to be nice, some want something in return whether the woman likes it or not.

Let me say that we doormen are human like all the rest and sometimes we might get it wrong,but we really do have to make split decisions sometimes and although we have been trained mistakes can happen.
I myself look on the job as being one of good customer care, this is what the job is really about keeping the customers happy and doing a profesional job.
But sometimes you have to use reasonable force in certain circumstances and I hope those who slag off doormen realise its not taken lightly.
At the end of the day we are their for your safety,so cut us a little slack will you?:thumbsup:

Originally posted by Moneypenny
I found the worst doormen in town to be at Menzel's on Ecclesall Road. I was in there once and they went around asking people to drink up. When I didn't drink quickly enough they actually took my drink out of my hand! I have never been back!

The bouncers today are well behaved to what they were in the 70’s. With a few honourable exceptions, the bouncers in the 70’s were little more than hired thugs.

Just recently all the bouncers in Sheffield were checked if they had their licenses. Good work however, an incident occured at my friends work. The guy was a regular drinker, renowned for his trouble making ability, and went over the top one night, he works on the door of about three clubs in sheffield. Police were involved and turns out he uses a false name. On an 'eye for an eye' power trip I looked him up on the SIA website, sure enough there he was under an assumed name and date of birth. I was pretty worried as the 'incident' has spiralled out of control and he still threatens my friend in the street.

I E-Mailed the SIA four week ago, asking that if I reported this person, could I remain anonymous.

No reply to date. Licensed door staff, I bet the majority are fair but, if you can fake your name etc, there is no control over what sort of nutter you can come into contact with.

They are necessary but, in reality who do they protect? People in the club? Clubowners? Or is it an opportunity to express power that people with a violent tendency should not have.

Has licensing them removed the threat of convicted criminals? Obviously not as the system seems easy to fool.

Also you have to wonder about their motivation, for some it is extra money. I cannot believe it is a career, more like a challenge for the Police drop-outs and violently minded.

I welcome a bit of banter on this as I am aware I am a bit one sided. Especially from those with positive comments about bouncers. I think they get a bad press but there must be some happier encounters. Mind you its more memorable when you get turned away than when you are let in.

Its late I'm rambling. Talk soon, we are all moaners really.

Remember, never laugh with a mouth full of custard.

I've heard about that happening before with doorstaff who don't use their real names but I don't think it is that common anymore. Some people did it because they were moonlighting from other jobs ect.
There is a lot more to their jobs than the negitive side that people always remember.
One of the main things I look for is somebody who understands what the night is about and gets to know the night and the people who come to it. They get to know and anticipate any problems and can deal with them in a calm and safe way. Theres some real idiots out there doing the job and hopefully they will get weeded out but theres loads of good ones as well, who like the music and atmosphere and get to be part of the night.

Ive been in sheffield 3 months now, i got out a lot and I've found the bouncers to be generally pretty good (except that gob****e with the long hair and trenchcoat at Republic) Only place I've been turned away from has been halcyon (twice!) but they were perfectly reasonable about it ("sorry lads, no jeans"...I know thats a cop-out reason,they just didnt want a group of rowdy lads in the place, and its their club, so its their decision) Didnt get in on Saturday either, it was too packed.

How pathetic are the security at gatecrasher! we went on sunday night payed 17pound and totally was'nt worth it, One of the sercurity kick out a girl all because she had one of her legs on the edge of a table upstairs.

thats why i never go to gatecrasher the bouncers are idiots they think they rule the earth!

There awful. Was it the guy with the shoulder length hair by any chance. Leadmill door staff are worse. The only place I've never had any problems is mingdom.

Thesecurity would not kick someone out just because she had a foot up on one of the tables- did she do it repeatedly? Or did she say something to the bouncers? I know most of the security there and they wouldn't just kick someone out for that.

I'll second the complaint about Gatecrasher's bouncers, this has been covered in a post before but I had a really nasty incident with them once where they were sexually harrassing me. It made me sick, they are supposed to be there to protect me not make me feel uncomfortable.

Tell me about it, sometimes, or majority of time u cant even have a joke with a bouncer.. a guy called bryn, wouldnt let my mate in cos e sed 'sozzard' to me.. ha, cant believe it

Originally posted by sensuous
How pathetic are the security at gatecrasher! we went on sunday night payed 17pound and totally was'nt worth it, One of the sercurity kick out a girl all because she had one of her legs on the edge of a table upstairs.

Just to clarify this post.

I haven't been on else i would of replied earlier.

I was the doorman who ejected that hirl and her friend on sunday when Armand van helden was there.

I was on that venue working as cover from my usual venue.

The girl in question was almost lying on the table in the end and it wasn't the first time.

First of all one of the regular bouncers told her to sit up 3 times. Each time she would be warned not to do it again as there are health and safety issues with the tables strength under pressure. On the 3rd occasion she was warned that a further time would result in ejection These are glass topped tables not beds.

A shout went up on the radio and she then did it a fourth time when my colleague came to me at the top level. He was midway through telling me that if she laid down again to eject her when she decided to lay down.

We then asked went to talk to her and as soon as it was mentioned that she would have to leave she started kicking off. whilst trying to remove her she also tried to run away.

Now i know everyone thinks that all bouncers are tossers but we are employed to do a job and being warned four times seems to be sufficent.

Also regardless of the 17 pound entry fee it does not entitle you to blatantly disregard the rules.

Just wanted to get that off my chest.

Originally posted by ryan123
Tell me about it, sometimes, or majority of time u cant even have a joke with a bouncer.. a guy called bryn, wouldnt let my mate in cos e sed 'sozzard' to me.. ha, cant believe it

I also know Bryn and i would be very suprised if that was all it was.

Originally posted by deano
Yeah they witnessed that bit,but surely all the bouncer has to say was that i was violent,(i wasn't).
I do have a case,had my bruises photographed,but honestly is it worth it?Would like to see the cctv footage,but what are the chances of that happening?

Even if you were violent all they should have done was asked you to leave, and then ushered you out. You were (in my opinion) victim of an assault and i would deffinately be pressing charges if i was in your situation. The bouncer deserves all he gets, they think they are a law unto themsleves, and if they think they can get away with it then they will keep on doing it. Press charges and wipe the smugness off the nightclub owners face!

trust me! its all it was... he is the man that developed my hatred 4 bouncers.. if i could swear on here i would..

Originally posted by Avalon
Even if you were violent all they should have done was asked you to leave, and then ushered you out.

Violent or non violent, you are allowed a certain element of restraint to remove troublesome customers (having gone through the demonstrations inflicted on me this weekend, through choice I should add, I wasn't thrown out of anywhere :D )

I used to work at Gatecrasher until fairly recently and, although the majority of bouncers/door supervisors/whatever we're supposed to call them were a good bunch of lads who got on with their job, there were a few exceptions!

There were a couple who used to make sordid comments to me at the end of a shift when they were having a drink, and one guy once refused to throw out a customer who'd tried to bottle me over the bar because she was a firned of hers!!! When this was mentioned to another bouncer at the end of the night he went mental and said that he would've thrown her out no matter whether he knew her or not!

The lack of security in Electric Box often made me uncomfortable and I didn't really like working in there despite the quality of music!!

So I'd say that although the majority of them are good guys, as with everything there's always going to be a few "bad eggs" as my wise old mother calls them!

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
I never realised you got bouncers so young. Scary.
Yes, I have seen a few recently in pubs on West street and they only look just 18.

What has happened to the city of my birth. It always did have a rough and tumble edge to it because steelworkers played hard. But today it sounds downright dangerous. Bouncers everywhere, chavs terrorizing old ladies. Thank the lord for the safety of Central Park, Manhattan, and the Bronx. Never thought I'd have to say that.

Originally posted by Deejay
Violent or non violent, you are allowed a certain element of restraint to remove troublesome customers (having gone through the demonstrations inflicted on me this weekend, through choice I should add, I wasn't thrown out of anywhere :D )

surely not without first instructing them to leave. The law allows anyone to use reasonable force to remove someone from your premises, but not until you have instructed them 3 times (for some reason) to leave and they have not done.

Originally posted by Cyclone
surely not without first instructing them to leave. The law allows anyone to use reasonable force to remove someone from your premises, but not until you have instructed them 3 times (for some reason) to leave and they have not done.

Apologies mate, I forgot to add that you just wouldn't grab someone who's not being violent and throw them out, that just wouldn't be nice would it :suspect:

Ask them nicely, then nicely again and then on the third time if they still say no throw them out..

Sorry :?

Originally posted by Cyclone
surely not without first instructing them to leave. The law allows anyone to use reasonable force to remove someone from your premises, but not until you have instructed them 3 times (for some reason) to leave and they have not done.
That's not true.
You don't have to ask anyone to leave 3 times prior to ejecting them. If someone is causing trouble then they can be ejected.
If someone is merely bneing roudy or the management ask them to leave they can be instructed (not asked) to leave then removed if they don't comply.

At the end of the day if you're on the property and you've been told you're not allowed to be then you're trespassing and can either be ejected or removed by the police.

Do you get your money back?

If you're asked to leave, I mean ...

Originally posted by rubydazzler
Do you get your money back?

If you're asked to leave, I mean ...

I'll give you 3 guesses :roll:

Then Im gonna ask you to leave this thread :hihi:

Originally posted by Deejay
I'll give you 3 guesses :roll:
Then Im gonna ask you to leave this thread :hihi:

NO!

.... not unless you give me my money back .... :P

It's not common practice.. it's down to management discretion.
However if YOU'RE the cause why YOU got thrown out then tough titty :D

Originally posted by DaBouncer
It's not common practice.. it's down to management discretion.
However if YOU'RE the cause why YOU got thrown out then tough titty :D

Gosh, DaB (she says in girly voice) you do play hard ball don't you? (flutters eyelashes). If I did something to get thrown out, it might not be totally MY fault. I might not be fully in control of my actions. I mean, I could be suffering from pms or something ... :P

Originally posted by rubydazzler
I might not be fully in control of my actions. I mean, I could be suffering from pms or something ... :P
I don't play hard ball.. I'm no longer a door supervisor.
PMS don't cut it with me lady :D, besides I thought you said that's no excuse.

Originally posted by DaBouncer
I don't play hard ball.. I'm no longer a door supervisor.
PMS don't cut it with me lady :D, besides I thought you said that's no excuse.

ooohhh! jk alert!! (assumes straight face mode) didn't you see the smiley??

Originally posted by rubydazzler
ooohhh! jk alert!! (assumes straight face mode) didn't you see the smiley??
Yes... didn't you?

NOOOOO...!


(emails Ultralase and arranges eye test immediately)

I've got to give a shout out to the (expletive deleted) whos on the door at Takapuna onm a friday night. The little guy.

EVERY TIME he finds a different excuse why I can't come in - last time I was with a group of about 15 so it was quite funny seeing us all come in and then go out again.

His excuse (wait for this)

"You haven't ironed your jeans". Time before my trainers were too filthy (and I hasten to add had worn the same un-ironed jeans both times). Berk.

I'm convinved its cos Im bigger than him and hes on some kind of power trip. Apart from the obvious of "go to another club" what can I do? I'm sure punching his lights out wouldn't get me anywhere apart from A+E when his mates pile in (tho it was very tempting).

Well I went out last night (Friday) to my usual place (Trippets) and before I could get served at the bar the door man spoke to the bar man about me!

When I asked the bar man what he had said, he said he was asking if I was barred!

For f**s sake! I go there every Wednesday and sometimes Thursdays and have had no problems!

I was well annoyed, had the one drink and left. As I left I told the door man that I wasn't barred and never had been. He said he had a list of names and mine was on it :loopy: But - he doesn't even know my name :suspect:

Not a happy bunny :rant:

they have a doorman at Trippet's??? WOW!! a doorman!

There's never been anyone to open the door when I go there ....

.... the Wednesday crowd is obviously soooo select and well behaved we don't need one :P

(don't) Name and shame Hels, give us a description so we can all go there and "tut and roll eyes" as we pass him ... and get our names on "the list" too ... :thumbsup:

Originally posted by Saifa
I've got to give a shout out to the (expletive deleted) whos on the door at Takapuna onm a friday night. The little guy.

EVERY TIME he finds a different excuse why I can't come in - last time I was with a group of about 15 so it was quite funny seeing us all come in and then go out again.

His excuse (wait for this)

"You haven't ironed your jeans". Time before my trainers were too filthy (and I hasten to add had worn the same un-ironed jeans both times). Berk.

I'm convinved its cos Im bigger than him and hes on some kind of power trip. Apart from the obvious of "go to another club" what can I do? I'm sure punching his lights out wouldn't get me anywhere apart from A+E when his mates pile in (tho it was very tempting).

Oooh what's he look like?

Little fella about 5'10, dark hair bit of a tan, alright shape.

They have people on the door Fridays and Saturdays.

Can't remember this guys name. He's prob in his late twenties, dark hair. It's not Dan, Dan's a real sweetie, I'm gonna get his name then i'll let you know!

Mod:

Please don't name anyone on here.

If you have any issues with the way you have been treated you should take it up with the establishment concerned or the licencing authorities / police.

Originally posted by Hels
Well I went out last night (Friday) to my usual place (Trippets) and before I could get served at the bar the door man spoke to the bar man about me!

When I asked the bar man what he had said, he said he was asking if I was barred!

For f**s sake! I go there every Wednesday and sometimes Thursdays and have had no problems!

I was well annoyed, had the one drink and left. As I left I told the door man that I wasn't barred and never had been. He said he had a list of names and mine was on it :loopy: But - he doesn't even know my name :suspect:

Not a happy bunny :rant:

Easy....just collectively threaten to remove your custom to another establishment for the Wednesday night gatherings.

The attitude will probably change as they see a couple of hundred quid walking away every quiet Wednesday night.

Power to the People!

:)

Originally posted by Saifa
Little fella about 5'10, dark hair bit of a tan, alright shape.
Yeah I know who you're on about.
Not to worry... no names mentioned on here.

Best thing to do is go into the bar during the day and ask for the management and just have a chat and see if you can resolve the situation.

Take the number of the bar so if you get stopped on the weekend, call the management up from outside and explain the situation.

Good luck :thumbsup:

this weekend went to GC1 had a fantastic night out - unfortunately my better half cut her foot on some glass in the club - i just want to thank the door staff for the level of professionalism and first aid given to her

who would you report a bad door man to? it used to be the licensing dept at the council town hall, but i understand this has changed. any ideas? Ta
PS this is genuine question, as you may know i generally like door men!

http://www.the-sia.org.uk/home

You could try these people. They have a list of all liecensed door staff, They should be able to point you in the right direction

muchos gracias!:D

Yep, and if they aren't registered with the SIA report the establishment and get em banged up and fined.. Oh Happy Days :clap:

If you know their name you can use the search function to make sure they are registered

do you need a license for pubs then? i thought it was just clubs. i have left a message on that site anyway. fingers crossed they will get back.
when i reported an incident, i mentioned the acts of the doorman to the first officer and they said they would investigate, but the next one didnt seem bothered. thats why i wrote to council. maybe i should contact lpt too, as its sort of antisocial beh?

Any kind of Door Supervision requires a licence I think..

Im suprised some of the monkeys out there got a licence (especially considering the form to get one is complicated, or maybe thats just me :huh: )