you have to go on some big course now, including health and safety etc.. but some plonkers use their status for wrongful doings.......;)

They have to do a 30 hour training course, have a police check and a 2 hour exam.
They have to be registered if they are working pubs or clubs. If they are working without a license it's a £5000 pound fine and 6 months in the old grey bars hotel.

Originally posted by NatalieSheff
you have to go on some big course now

I know, cost me 2 weekends of my social life :hihi:

Let us know how you get on mate

:thumbsup:

Just out of interest... which club was it that had these bad doorstaff. Most clubs in Sheffield use agencies, so probs a good idea to find out which agency they use and make a complain to them too.

With the SIA licencing, you'd be amazed at how many times some door staff have had to re-send in their application due to errors!!!

i cant believe it im sooo mad!! rebuplic bouncers jus turned me and me and my mates were turned away 4 no reason!! gggrrr

its normal though with Republic. However, I don't like going to Republic and the blighters never turn me away now :suspect:

Even if I go scruffy and unshaven :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Hels
Well I went out last night (Friday) to my usual place (Trippets) and before I could get served at the bar the door man spoke to the bar man about me!
...
Not a happy bunny :rant:

Is this why you've not been to the Wednesday meets for a while? Should we find an alternative venue?

Originally posted by ryan123
i cant believe it im sooo mad!! rebuplic bouncers jus turned me and me and my mates were turned away 4 no reason!! gggrrr

im sure it would not have been for no reason......

Originally posted by bigjay
im sure it would not have been for no reason......

it was 4 no reason! we kept asking y, just kept saying not tonight!!

Thats no reason!!

Originally posted by ryan123
it was 4 no reason! we kept asking y, just kept saying not tonight!!

Thats no reason!!

were you wearing big gold chains......? or did you look like scallies or chavs.......? or were there more than 4 of you..........? did you have trainers on......?...... do you look underage...?

but what it boils down to - the management dont have to give you a reason.....

Originally posted by bigjay
were you wearing big gold chains......? or did you look like scallies or chavs.......? or were there more than 4 of you..........? did you have trainers on......?...... do you look underage...?

but what it boils down to - the management dont have to give you a reason.....

none of the above, might of had chains on? they wernt big tho, + they could have been tucked in shirt, well thats crap if they cant give u a reason!

If they were as polite as you said in your post, then you might be glad that they spared your feelings as to why you didn't get a full blown explanation.

Doormen don't just do it for fun, the club needs a good mix of people in the door, so they would have had a good reason to keep you out on that occasion.

If you had been told that you "look like a bunch of trouble causing chavs, go away" you might have been a tad offended.

Originally posted by ryan123
none of the above, might of had chains on? they wernt big tho, + they could have been tucked in shirt, well thats crap if they cant give u a reason!

you would have tucked it in on the way in then pulled in back out inside....... then the management would have seen you then the doormen get it in the neck - solution dont let people in with bling on........

Originally posted by ryan123
none of the above, might of had chains on? they wernt big tho, + they could have been tucked in shirt, well thats crap if they cant give u a reason!


I agree with bigjay. In my experience, if a doorman says not tonight, it just means that either what you were wearing wasn't appropriate or the manager has told the door to be extra strict.

If clubs just let anyone in, then it wouldn't be a nice place to go and then the clubs get a bad rep for being full of scallies then the nice people stop coming and it becomes a downward spiral from there on.

I agree that there are times when the republic bouncers can be a bit harsh, but at the end of the day they're only doing the job that the club pay them to do.

Originally posted by bobby22
I agree with bigjay. In my experience, if a doorman says not tonight, it just means that either what you were wearing wasn't appropriate or the manager has told the door to be extra strict.

If clubs just let anyone in, then it wouldn't be a nice place to go and then the clubs get a bad rep for being full of scallies then the nice people stop coming and it becomes a downward spiral from there on.

I agree that there are times when the republic bouncers can be a bit harsh, but at the end of the day they're only doing the job that the club pay them to do.


well said bobby22 :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

They say that Absolute Power corrupts absolutely.

I wouldn't say that bouncers have absolute power but some of them seem to think that it's pretty big to turn away people for whatever petty reason can pop into their minds.

Any bouncer related stories out there? any views? Any quotes from 'The Bouncers Handbook: A guide to stopping people having fun'?? Here's a few that i have heard personally:

1) It's over 23's only
2) No checks or diamonds (?!?)
3) No groups of lads (there were three of us)

Let's have a poll also....

Couples only lads, in a bar obviously not full of couples!!!

Ahhhhh yes, another classic.

"Regulars only" In a bar on West Street!!

"Not tonight lads, it's not your scene" when it obviously bloody was.

Sorry lads, no blue jeans.

I had to throw that one in because it's so cack. Honestly. Whenever a new club open sthey try to enforce this one and every single one of them relents when they realise that people aren't going to wear trousers all night just for the sake of the last two hours. Hah!

The odd thing is that once you actually get past the bouncers the place is usaully full of complete tw**s who only got in becasue they know the bouncers, or look like they have been on a shopping spree in River Island or Envy.

What annoys me is, anyone that looks like they may cause some trouble or may be a bit nasty/dangerous is actually allowed in by bouncers in an attempt to pacify them.
Big blokes always get acknowledged by bouncers, they are happy to rag a scawny student out of the queue, but never pick on anyone their own size!

Originally posted by deano
I wasn't giving him "jip"it was banter,if a doorman can't take a bit of banter he is in the wrong job imo,whats he gonna do if someone really upsets him,kill them?
Also there was a group of us,why did he pick on me,cos i was the smallest male perhaps?Surely they are trained to deal with light hearted banter as opposed to a violent threat.
I don't want this guy clapped in irons,but the way he overreacted on friday was scary,just think he may benefit from some more training,for his own good as well as anyone elses.

by law the doorman has to provide you with his badge number and his first name

Er, what law would that be? The doorman has to be wearing his licence badge in accordance withthe Private Security Industry Act 2001. If he isn't wearing it, he is either breaching his licence conditions, or he is unlicensed, both of which are an offence against the Act. Nowhere in the law says that he has to give you his first name, but his badge will display his inital and surname and also his licence number, so you can report him if there is a problem

I've encountered a good few miserable/arrogant/self-important bouncers too. Fair enough you have to have a bit of front to do the job, but I hate the jobsworth ones who just enjoy parading around and trying to intimidate people with their chubby arms and fat beer guts. I shan't name any venues, but it really gets on my nerves.

Originally posted by Jonesy
I've encountered a good few miserable/arrogant/self-important bouncers too. Fair enough you have to have a bit of front to do the job, but I hate the jobsworth ones who just enjoy parading around and trying to intimidate people with their chubby arms and fat beer guts. I shan't name any venues, but it really gets on my nerves.

come on Jonesy name venues......:D

For a laugh at the club night I do I'm going to enforce a no shoes policy. You must be wearing trainers.

Originally posted by carcrash
For a laugh at the club night I do I'm going to enforce a no shoes policy. You must be wearing trainers.

what night do you run.....?

i remember roxys when they said "no kickers" or checked shirts heheh! i loved roxys arrrr those were the days!;)

Originally posted by NatalieSheff
i remember roxys when they said "no kickers" or checked shirts heheh! i loved roxys arrrr those were the days!;)

i read no knickers!!!.... funny how the mind works when your bored, alone and watchin big brother.

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by MTheo
i read no knickers!!!.... funny how the mind works when your bored, alone and watchin big brother

:shakes:

Originally posted by MTheo
i read no knickers!!!.... funny how the mind works when your bored, alone and watchin big brother.

:rolleyes: but its FRIDAY!!! what u playing at!!!:D

Originally posted by NatalieSheff
but its FRIDAY!!! what u playing at!!!:D

obviously not what i shud be playin at! haha

:(

well ur here natalie!... so what you PLAYIN AT!!! :D

only read about the incident, i work in retail security and i would only get someone in head lock if i really thought i would be in seriouse truble, other wise it would be a really quick usher to the door with them, obviosely there is two sides to a storey. i would take it further if you are covered in bruises as the blub/ bar would have cctv,

also why are you not allowed to dance in a bar lmao you go out to enjoy your self.

Originally posted by MTheo
obviously not what i shud be playin at! haha

:(

well ur here natalie!... so what you PLAYIN AT!!! :D my tummy too fat at minute to go out dancing, two weeks to go.. back to the subject i miss the good old door men from republic from 99-01 those were the days........

Originally posted by NatalieSheff
my tummy too fat at minute to go out dancing, two weeks to go.. back to the subject i miss the good old door men from republic from 99-01 those were the days........

You could always belly dance.. No offense, just messing :D

Related to this can anyone provide a list of companies or websites I can browse through for vacancies ;)

:thumbsup:

Is that a belly dancing job you are after?
Have you done the training and have you got the sia stuff?

Originally posted by carcrash
Is that a belly dancing job you are after?
Have you done the training and have you got the sia stuff?

I can do either ;) But I was referring to door jobs..

and yes.. A shiny badge arrived yesterday so may as well use it...

So no one has any info then :suspect:

Hmmmmmm....

job centre will give you list of most agencies for in sheffield.

i get my badge in september, work in retail security at the mo

Originally posted by timprice
job centre will give you list of most agencies for in sheffield.

i get my badge in september, work in retail security at the mo

If they said 6 weeks don't believe em', I got mine back in 3 (and got the form right first time round!)

A couple of years back (before these new laws were introduced) a bunch of us were all leaving Flares (yes, I know, we shouldn't have been in there in the first place!). Anyway, one of my mates broke a doorhandle on the way out due to some drunk heavy-handed door opening.

One of the bouncers saw this as an excuse to hold the lad with his arms behind his back, while the other bouncer administered several punches to his face, before dropping him to the floor, bleeding from his head. A police car arrived just before the ambulance (as they usually do), but the cops just didn't want to know what had happened, they were back in their car once the ambulance arrived.

Anyway, he never heard from the Flares management after written complaints had been made either.

So far, all I've been able to discover are that the new laws only mean that club/bar managers must hire licensed door staff. Getting a license involves paying £190, and undergoing a criminal record check. 'Front-line' staff must also be trained. Part of the training includes "How to eject in ways to minimise conflict". Good job he paid attention then...

Wasn't there another thread about this a while back?

Can I ask which bouncer it was?
Was it the one who looks like the undertaker wearing a Bandana?

A lass got kicked out on the 20th june for ******* on the steps the next day she was let in as she knew the head doorman there.

i think its wrong

Door men or also only allowed to use resonable force

i.e ask you to leave the establishment, if you then start getting aggressive they can then force you out of the club. works in all security issues

hope you understand that

Originally posted by timprice
A lass got kicked out on the 20th june for ******* on the steps the next day she was let in as she knew the head doorman there.

i think its wrong


What, being let back in?

Or '******* on the steps'????



Urrgh.

I have read the mixed replies on here, and I must say that I dont agree with a lot.

My son worked doors last year until he got a bottle in his face for trying to stop a bloke from ******* at the women stood outside.

He has decided to go back on the doors now and yes I worry because he sees those that drink and act stupid but think they are in control start trouble, then deny it and blame it on the door staff.

Dont forget these doormen arn`t all idiots and do try to protect you lot who want to go out and enjoy a night out.

Originally posted by NatalieSheff
i miss the good old door men from republic from 99-01 those were the days
Haha yeh the good old days with those door staff who got themselves busted for being just toooo corrupt and bent... :rolleyes:

being a reflective records fan, i went to the last reflective night @ Aqua (pond's forge). the doormen were very arrogant, i were stood in the que waitin to get in when Miss-T & D-no arrived with record boxes in tow, and to my horror i saw the doorman stop them from going in, i heard miss-T say that they were on the dj line up and the doorman's reply was......

i dont care who you are or wot ur doing just WAIT THERE.!!!

i was simply horrified, i felt like sayin 'yer but they r the dj's u dick' but i didnt for obvious reasons of not gettin my ed kicked in.lol

c'mon is there really any need at all for this kind of ignorance & arrogance?? i dont think so!!!

I'd like to reply to Brewnog's comments. Having worked at Flares at that time I'd like to ''stick up'' for the doorstaff there. I happen to know that a. there are no door handles in Flares esp on the way out and b. the management there took any complaint about doorstaff very seriously and investigated them all. I know of occasions when they were fired for simply being 'rude' to customers.
Also police take them seriously and if you'd been punched several times in the face there would have been marks and they would have at least viewed the cctv footage.
p.s who is the doorman that looks like the undertaker? LOL

Tell you what those who go around attacking doorstaff ought to try it they would have a different point of view after that .
I as a door man see all the problems you can imagine and I tell you what we really earn our money,we have all the hastle you can imagine.
I am always polite to the customers but you can be as polite as you want,you will always get one or two who abuse you and so in that situation you have to deal with it in a professional manner without losing your rag,sometimes its very hard but we do it.
Give us a break will you,either that or do it yourself.

I have all this fun to come, Im working tonight after just recently getting my licence..

I haven't seen the Undertaker at Flares yet, I know the others and have never had a problem with them, I find if you just smile and nod at them they don't have a problem with you :suspect:

hey guys, Sorry just been reading through all the posts on here. Are you still looking for work D2J? also Royjames I got you PM ref: Licenced Door Supervisors Required in the job forum. I cant reply to PM's as i dont have the mininum required 5 posts.

If you would like more info drop me an email on shaun@smcbridesecurityservices.co.uk and i'll be more than happy to explain.

Cheers

Originally posted by sniperjoe i was simply horrified... is there really any need at all for this kind of ignorance & arrogance
Yes, you're right - there is no need for the ignorance and arrogance of the punter to say "'yer but they r the dj's u dick" :rolleyes:

How would you expect the doorstaff to know who the guest DJ's are without the guest list..? By using their psychic powers..?! Anybody can wander up to the door with a couple of record boxes full of whatever and say: "We are the DJ's for tonight, let us walk right in for nowt then".

And at the end of the day, DJ's are just people - they aint no superstars - so they can just wait there.

ok i would agree wiv ya if i had of said that wot u quoted i wrote, but i didnt say it i just simply thought it 2 myself.

i dont go anywhere to cause trouble that y i kept it to myself.

there was other insidents of that night in question with doorstaff being a little power mad, but as those situations are from wot other people av told me then it would be unfair for me to comment, i can only comment on wot i saw myself.

and as for the dj's just being 'only people', yes of course they are but being a big fan of scene they are alot more than that to me as they provide my entertainment for the evening, and at the end of the day if there were no dj's there wud be no club nights, so have a little respect for all the dj's who play in clubs. yer get me!!!!!

Originally posted by sniperjoe
have a little respect for all the dj's who play in clubs

Who said I didn't have respect for them... but they can still just wait over there!

Interesting thread. It is true that many (certainly not all) doorman aren't too bright and/or are too young and lack the wherewithal to deal with a situation properly. I used to work the doors in my early 20s and to be honest I was too young to be doing so and didn't have the necessary skills to deal with situations correctly - I could pick people up and chuck them out etc but it should rarely come to that.

Then again with most older doorman if they had half a brain they would have grown up and be doing a proper job. Yes, it can be a tough and you meet a lot of idiots and sad ****** who have no other life than to go clubbing but no one forces these guys to do it. Their customer service skills usually need a big improvement although things have gotten better to a degree.

Just cos u weren't good enough to handle it "in yer 20'z" doesn't mean this new breed of doorman are the same.

Age old debate about doorman. Truth is you need all sorts, for all sorts of different venues.

If someone gets a kickin' it's usually for a good reason..

that's life.

Originally posted by 2c4s
If someone gets a kickin' it's usually for a good reason..

that's life.

I don't believe that's right 2c4s. One can never condone the use of physical violence and especially not in what is effectively your workplace [if you are a doorman]. This is not to say that people do not become abusive or even violent towards you in your capacity as a doorman. However, I always believe that in these instances physical 'restraint' is far better than physical 'retaliation' [as too often happens]. The laws in place within our society are there primarily so that we need not take the law into our own hands.

Your attitude of a "kickin" being part of "life" only further entrenches people's "age old" arguments and views that doormen are nothing more than thugs paid by the hour.

Originally posted by 2c4s
Just cos u weren't good enough to handle it "in yer 20'z" doesn't mean this new breed of doorman are the same.

Age old debate about doorman. Truth is you need all sorts, for all sorts of different venues.

If someone gets a kickin' it's usually for a good reason..

that's life.

Your last statement seems to show you have missed the point completely. If you have to give someone a 'kickin' then you have made it personal and clearly don't have the skills required to deal with a situation properly - you have let fear cloud your judgement. It is usually the case that many lads in their 20s will adopt this approach as they don't have the experience to deal with a situation properly. This can be compounded when older doorman set a bad example due to them never having gotten past this stage. The 40 year old adolescent type to whom I alluded before who is probably quite ****** off when they realise that being a doorman is just about the only job they are ever going to get.

Have the doorman at the cavendish suddenly developed kingomitus (basically ******s)? We was there last night having a drink, by no means drunk as I was driving... They rang for last orders just after 11 so we ordered another round. At 11:15 the music went off and the bouncers started shouting at everyone to get out! we'd barely started our drink when they came over, "time to go now lads"... When my mate questioned him he kicked off saying "get out before we throw you out, now".

I have just paid the best part of a tenner to these people, the least they could do is let me finish it!

Complete and utter ******, where do we get these idiots from? No wonder sheffield nightlife is going down the pan

Technically by law you have 20 mins drink up time from last orders, but it depends on the management and how quickly they want the punters out.

If time is called at 11, then you should be able to drink til 11.20pm usually. However time is normally called at 10.55pm so technically... 11.15pm would be kick out time.

Report his behaviour to the management if you feel you have grounds but be prepared for it to fall on deaf ears (just depends on what they're like I guess).

You're right in that the law says you can drink up to 20 minutes after closing.

However, that is the maximum time allowed and not any sort of right. As you say DB, it is at the managements discretion. They are quite entitled to ask you to leave at a minute past 11 (or whatever closing time they have)

In fairness, I suppose they could ask you to leave at any time; it's their decision who they have in their pub.

I think it will be a lot better when the new licences come into force and the bars aren't worried that they may get into trouble if they have people drinking for a few minutes extra. Most seem to have applied not only for longer hours, but also for extended drink-up time.

I know as as doorman that the doorstaff at cavendish are decent people who as far as I know treat the customers with good manners and are proffesional in their work.
As to changing the drinking hours I think it will be very much a suck it and see situation as far as possible trouble is concerned.
I suppose it gives us people the chance to earn more money,so maybe its swings and roundabouts.

Originally posted by Paul2412
Have the doorman at the cavendish suddenly developed kingomitus (basically ******s)? We was there last night having a drink, by no means drunk as I was driving... They rang for last orders just after 11 so we ordered another round. At 11:15 the music went off and the bouncers started shouting at everyone to get out! we'd barely started our drink when they came over, "time to go now lads"... When my mate questioned him he kicked off saying "get out before we throw you out, now".

I have just paid the best part of a tenner to these people, the least they could do is let me finish it!

Complete and utter ******, where do we get these idiots from? No wonder sheffield nightlife is going down the pan

I know what you mean mate.... Tried to get into there at about 10.55 last night and they wouldn't let us in cos they were about to call last orders... Damn! :mad:
It was the same in Yates' the other week... We'd just got drinks before they called last orders, then all the lights came on and we were asked three times to leave! I was like "If I drink it any quicker, I'll throw up on your carpet" lol... That god rid of em :D

If you buy so many drinks at last orders which are beyond your ability to drink within the 20 mins and you get asked to leave before you've finished them then its your own stupid fault.. Don't be moaning at people that are paid to do their job..

Well said d2j,some people dont know when to stop moaning and to accept responsibility for their own actions.:thumbsup:

I thought the law had changed that drinking up time no longer needed to be given?

I thought the law had changed that drinking up time no longer needed to be given?

You are quite correct Internetowl, the licensing laws have changed. Last year, all licensed premises had to apply for a new license.

Briefly, each licensed pub now has their own opening hours, which vary from pub to pub. Some will have a winding down time (it's no longer referred to as drinking up time), usually 30 mins before closure. Some - because they retained their original opening hours or were refused an application for extended opening hours - will still have a 20 minute drinking up time though.

Why are we answering six month old threads?

arrrrrrr bouncers in sheff are a nitemare!! POWERMAD!! i only wonted to get in to weatherspoons and i ad id,,my m8 dident and she was goin to go wiv a few m8s and i was and we wuld meet up l8er, and he wouldent let me in and i ad id!! NITEMARE!!!!!!!! hays xx

arrrrrrr bouncers in sheff are a nitemare!! POWERMAD!! i only wonted to get in to weatherspoons and i ad id,,my m8 dident and she was goin to go wiv a few m8s and i was and we wuld meet up l8er, and he wouldent let me in and i ad id!! NITEMARE!!!!!!!! hays xx

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

I have been reading this forum for quite a while now. And I wonder, the bouncers are ALWAYS portrayed as being dumb powerlumps, cruel, power hungry idiots. I wish one of you people did our job for at least an hour, without crying that your feet hurt, that you are cold, hungry or thursty or that you want to go to bed, lol.

When you are sober, you will not talk back to people the way you do when you have consumed a bit of alchohol, and the more you think you can handle it, the more you f**k up. IT IS NOT our job to listen to you talking back and calling us names. If you cannot come inside a venue and behave, then dont come. I personally dragged a guy out of a club who was so high, he was sitting on the floor masturbating, and next day came to press charges of assault cause he couldnt remember ****. The thing is I can go on and on about things that WE see and YOU dont. So if you are a man to start a fight, be a man to finish it.;)

Dont go jumping about stumping your feet threatening us - OOH I WANT TO SEE YOUR MANAGER! It is a bouncers decision if you come in or you dont. Dont threaten us with POLICE or anything else, just BEHAVE. Dont pass remarks concerning racial or religious backgrounds because trust me you will get nowhere. We work for companies, we stand up for each other and we are one hand, and if you want to show force, we will show you some back, if you want to behave, we will make sure you have a good night. THANK YOU:rant:

POLICE states that if you dont look 21 then you need ID, so dont bark. And by the way bouncers from spoons are my good friends

Why are we answering six month old threads?
Exactly, because they havent moaned about doorstaff enough, keep moaning people....

Has anyone had any bad experiences with city centre doormen?
The reason i ask is because last night i was ejected from an establishment in town.
......Should i just put it down to experience and leave it? At this moment i feel like a victim of a violent assault,there is no way i deserved to be treated like i was.
i suppose from the doormans point of view, they must get ****** off with drunken idiots and lager louts and they may have had enough that night. not that its an excuse, maybe a reason though. not saying ur an idiot!!

We work for companies, we stand up for each other and we are one hand, and if you want to show force, we will show you some back, if you want to behave, we will make sure you have a good night. THANK YOU:rant:

LOL, you sound really powerful. Get a proper job. The police put up with everything you do & more, but on the whole dont act like gorrillas on crack. :loopy:
This is cause they have training and education and some kind of personality test. Bouncers just have to look hard.

LOL, you sound really powerful. Get a proper job. The police put up with everything you do & more, but on the whole dont act like gorrillas on crack. :loopy:
This is cause they have training and education and some kind of personality test. Bouncers just have to look hard.

What right have you to tell someone to get a ''a proper job''? Instead of slagging people off who work for a living why not slag the lazy people who feel they dont need to work at all...

What right have you to tell someone to get a ''a proper job''? Instead of slagging people off who work for a living why not slag the lazy people who feel they dont need to work at all...

cause this thread aint about them. Its about opinions on bouncers:huh:
And I have a right to tell anyone I want to get a proper job. They dont have to take it on board.
Thanks for your post Strongman, useless as i believe it was.

hi guys
very interesting thread, i don;t think doormen can win to be honest and the current rules from what i hear limit what they can do anyway. I train with Mark Hayes at the Source gym in JKD/Kali etc and he works at the Rhino and to be honest, it sounds as though he has to deal with alot of crapm from people who cannot handle the old beer.

just out of interest, i am looking to get my SIA badge, currently not in work so funds are a bit thin, anyone have any idea where i may be able to get funding from, even temporarily:-)

i have a friend who works on the doors and she has had abuse when they cant get in the venues due to either being drunk or wrongly dressed for that particular venue shes been spat at,assaulted and called a dyke!! why do people think that door women are dykes? sad really isnt it? i think they do a good job especially now as they are trained and cannot get the SIA badge if they have a criminal record the police work with the door supervisors now and my friend says its better that way. Just ashame people cant handle there drinks.

LOL, you sound really powerful. Get a proper job. The police put up with everything you do & more, but on the whole dont act like gorrillas on crack. :loopy:
This is cause they have training and education and some kind of personality test. Bouncers just have to look hard.

Most bouncers I know and have worked with often do their evening jobs on the side. I've worked with bouncers who are nurses, students, teachers and even once a binman by day! They often do have "proper" jobs but bouncers are important. I'd hate to work in a busy bar that didn't have doorstaff on the doors because they're so important to protect the staff and customers.

im with you all the way mate... without them there would be a huge problem people dont seem to realise how important they really are i do feel tho that 18yr olds arnt mature enough to handle grown men i think the min age should be 25 n over. dont you?

it was a bad experience, the doorman was probably not impressed that you gave him a bit of verbal, he was young and maybe wanted to make a point, and as stated above, you had a number of witnesses

im with you all the way mate... without them there would be a huge problem people dont seem to realise how important they really are i do feel tho that 18yr olds arnt mature enough to handle grown men i think the min age should be 25 n over. dont you?

Dont say this, some of the best doorman around are quite young, age doesent matter...

LOL, you sound really powerful. Get a proper job. The police put up with everything you do & more, but on the whole dont act like gorrillas on crack. :loopy:
This is cause they have training and education and some kind of personality test. Bouncers just have to look hard.

What a stupid comment! I started working as a doorman to help subsidise my student loan whilst studying for my degree. I actually plan on becoming a policeman, but the application process can take upto 2 years, so working on the doors is an ideal job to do in the meantime. I know of dozens of doormen who are students, and at least 5 others who are also wishing to become policemen.

Sorry but you sound like a prick!

Message for Inosanto. If you contact your local jobcentre, they may be able to help you with SIA training.

Morning everyone,

Has anyone had any trouble with these 'meatheads' recently? I was in there last night, with some friends, celebrating my future brother-in-law's stag do and he experienced the wrath of their head bouncer.

Basically he'd just asked to put his coat in the cloakroom, and as it was quite loud didn't quite hear what the bouncer was saying. He asked three times and was then physically thrown out by his hair!!!!! When I confronted the bouncer and asked him what the f**k was going on he just replied....

' I told him three times. On the 3rd time he's out - them's my rules!!!'

What a worthless piece of uneducated filth.....I'm actually starting to get annoyed talking about it - particularly as it was totally unprovoked

i hate bouncers! they r bad mannered arrogant pigs imo. i was out in doncaster once and at the end of the night was finishing my bottle and the bouncer came and snatched it while i was having a drink. the drink went all up my nose and on my clothes, out of anger i threw the rest of the drink at the bouncer resulting with me getting thrown out! lucky it was the end of the night tho so i wasnt really bothered:hihi:

i hate bouncers! they r bad mannered arrogant pigs imo. i was out in doncaster once and at the end of the night was finishing my bottle and the bouncer came and snatched it while i was having a drink. the drink went all up my nose and on my clothes, out of anger i threw the rest of the drink at the bouncer resulting with me getting thrown out! lucky it was the end of the night tho so i wasnt really bothered:hihi:

Oh dear, what u like u eh? :P

I was out with people from work a few months back and i was in Flares when my boss opened the fire exit and ran outside to take a phone call so me and my mate went to the fire exit to see where he had gone and this bouncer came charging up literally grabbed old of our arms and chucked us out, with out drinks still in our hand :rant:

We did thing it was amusing though :hihi: xx

Quite a while back, my friend wanted to celebrate her birthday there, and the bouncers refused entry on the grounds that some of our party were too scruffy!!! Dress restrictions to enter a club playing rock & punk music :confused: ?? It ruined her night and she was so annoyed she wrote to the Casbah about it. They offered an apology and free entry next time, which she never bothered with. I'm not surprised your bro-in-law couldn't hear what the bouncer was saying, as it really is stupidly loud in there. Some bouncers do appear to be on pathetic little power trips - eg the disgraceful recent case of one in London that refused entry to a man in a wheelchair, called him a cripple, and told him to come back when he'd grown legs :o .

Morning everyone,

Has anyone had any trouble with these 'meatheads' recently? I was in there last night, with some friends, celebrating my future brother-in-law's stag do and he experienced the wrath of their head bouncer.

Basically he'd just asked to put his coat in the cloakroom, and as it was quite loud didn't quite hear what the bouncer was saying. He asked three times and was then physically thrown out by his hair!!!!! When I confronted the bouncer and asked him what the f**k was going on he just replied....

' I told him three times. On the 3rd time he's out - them's my rules!!!'

What a worthless piece of uneducated filth.....I'm actually starting to get annoyed talking about it - particularly as it was totally unprovokedsee about getting his licence revoked........or wait outside for him

i would definately write to the place and make a complaint.It really winds me up the way some bouncers appear to be beyond the law.I wonder how many times this idiot has assaulted other people and got away with it? Reminds me why i never go drinking in town anymore :rant:

I was actually thinking of waiting outside for him as I think that's the only way bouncers will ever really get any justice ( provided I was with a few other lads !!!!!! ). Unfortunately the law's weighted quite heavily in their favour - think I might call the police and tell them I saw him selling coke....

If you happen to go in there, he's the tall bald guy...

If you happen to go in there, he's the tall bald guy...

Not sure that narrows it down too much when talking about bouncers :smile: ...

I am a doorman myself, the advice is behave and no one will ask you to leave or attack you. Fighting back will prevent you from going to every venue in town, keep that in mind

What the majotity of people think is that a doorperson has the easiest job in the world, all they do is look for ass and muck around. Well unfortunately the majority only see the front, they don't see what happens behind the scenes. A doorperson has to be willing to stand between two or more people and stop them from fighting, they have to put up with the drunken and verbal abuse they receive and on accasion they have to deal with people turning up on they're doorstep wanting to fight because the night before they were chucked out of a venue. I'm 22 and have done the door for only three years but in those 3 years I have seen someone shot at, had someone try and stab me, and have had more than my fair share of death threats. You might think its an easy job but remember we are the people that keep you save in a pub/club. I'll admit alot of door supervisors are a bit power crazy and think they're god, geeze I have done it, normally because I've had a stressful week and I'm not in the mood for other peoples crap. Door supervisors are some of the least respected people going and alot aren't the stereo typical meat head you normally class them as. I do this job to pay me through Uni, I'm doing a degree in architectural technology. I've worked with GP's on the door in the past (your doctor ever had a black eye? maybe it's him). Some people are just trying to provide for their family. If you don't like doormen try doing the job yourself and then see how you feel!

I've never had a problem with door staff in town - had friends who've been insulted by them, but thats about the worst of it - never been chucked out of anywhere, or even told to behave.

In fact, the only incident I can recall involving doorstaff was when someone threw up on the bar in Bedroom - the door staff let them say their goodbyes and even sit back down, no hassle...

Maybe its just the places I go aren't rough enough :|

deano, The doorman was just doing his job. If you are going to start mouthing off at a doorman you must be prepared to accept the results of what you have started. Look at it this way if you were a club owner and you saw a punter mouthing off at one of your security staff what would you expect to happen. If you had been given a good hiding for no reason then you would have a point but to be "thrown to the floor" when you are bladdard you would have been unsteady on your feet anyway, a gental push could have sent you tumbling.

It's not uncommon to see Pub Landlords doing their 'own doors' from time to time, without having an SIA badge. Thos occurs in areas where there are lots of community pubs and they cant afford normal door staff, or cant get any, for whatever reason. To settle an argument, what is the position re the law, because the law seems a bit vague about this.

As a Pub Landlord, you have the right to refuse service, and the right to remove persons from the premises with reasonable force as necessary, protecting your customers, the security of the venue, and upholding the terms of the licensing Act, as every Landlord has a personal licence, plus may also be DPS too. Interpreting this, a Pub Landlord, carrying out the responsibilites of the licensing Act, can also decide who comes in and who does not, and man his own doors.

I did the SIA course last year and am wondering if it was a waste of money, as so many Landlords just traditionally man their own doors, and chuck people out, which as Personal Licence Holders, and in control of the venue, they have the right to do so. I do not believe the law states that no Pub or Venue owner can not control entry without an SIA badge, but what is the general view about this? A Pub landlord is protecting his premises and his custom, and surely no law states he may not stand outside his own Pub and refuse entry as he deems fit. That is the traditional way....

It is a grey area within legislation, and i believe it is upto each individual council/police licensing dept as is what is their reading of it. To date, i have not heard or read anything to say that a landlord etc has being taken to review or court for not having an S.I.A badge and dealing with doorstaff duties within their venue. May i suggest that this is to remain as it would be immediately fought in court.

It is a grey area within legislation, and i believe it is upto each individual council/police licensing dept as is what is their reading of it. To date, i have not heard or read anything to say that a landlord etc has being taken to review or court for not having an S.I.A badge and dealing with doorstaff duties within their venue. May i suggest that this is to remain as it would be immediately fought in court.

I agree. Any Landlord has a duty under the Licensing Act to refuse to serve those who are drunk or intoxicated in any way, or who are in any way a compromise to the safety of customers. A Landlord may eject those he chooses who are drunk and disorderly or who compromise safety or security of customers/premises.....this means that in order to prevent problems inside the premises, any landlord may at his/her discretion refuse entry on their own doors to whoever they see as a threat to the conditions already described. Any Landlord who does not do this is not really enforcing the objectives of the Licensing Act and once certain rogue elements are actually inside the premises, it can be far more dfficult to get them out. A lot of community pubs on Xmas Eve, key dates of the year, etc, have Landlords manning the doors, and this has always been the case......

A registered Door Supervisor has no more powers legally than a Pub Landlord in fact if anything a Landlord has MORE power, as he is directly enforcing the licensing objectives on his/her premises........I have been asked this by other Landlords often, as I stated before, not all pubs can afford doorstaff. Plus a good Landlord knows the locals, and the troublemakers, and can act accordingly, whereas a doorman, unless he is a regular, will not know the 'community' and its 'characters'!

Doorman have to put up with back chat most of the time and personally i feel it is acceptable for the doorman to behave in the way they did with yourself
always two sides to a story ;)
Lesson to be learnt not to let your mouth run away with it self and expect nothing to happen :)

I'd go along with that. Once got turned away for having a jumper on, even tho it was about -5. Plus i've seen them turn away a few people for having the wrong type of trainers on.

A friend of mine was refused entry in a Sheff town pub because his boots were of a certain name,which the Doorman explained were the type worn by football hooligans.
I asked the doorman,"if Stephen Hawkins arrived with the same boots on,would he be refused entry"?He replied "YES"
A lot of the time if ya face don't fit,you aint going to get in.
One this occasion the doormen were quite apologetic,and said it was management policy.But you can bet in the current credit crunch climate,that policy will be thrown out the window.They need our custom more than ever.

Door staff are nothing like they used to be, due to changes in the law and the way door staff are licenced. Years ago "Bouncers" may have got away with more than they do now. All people see when they are on a night out is " look at that doorman he has just punched that young lad for no reason", people dont see what goes off before. Alot of people had bad views of doormen. There are always bad eggs in every job but can you imagine a night out down town without doorstaff working anywhere, you would have something to moan about then. It would be mayhem.