View Full Version : Is it money that makes good people good?


Lanora
22-01-2007, 18:57
Without it who can you help in deeds? Without money you can't take a homeless person in off the streets for a cup of tea because your struggling to pay the rent in your tiny bedsit. You can't donate to charity or organize charitable events. How do you help people in deed without money. Please advise me.

snooze
22-01-2007, 19:00
do voluntary work, good deed done dont need money as expences get paid:D

willman
22-01-2007, 19:01
money is given to stop you feeling guilty 'cos you can't actually do anything else.

tom3t0
22-01-2007, 19:02
you can give many other things than money to a person in a worse position than yourself, think of what the money is spent on by charities and there lies many answers.

Lanora
22-01-2007, 19:03
Give me an example Tom3t0

samc
22-01-2007, 19:07
Make someone laugh - a real big belly laugh. They'll love you for it.

Chris_Sleeps
22-01-2007, 19:11
Giving up your time is just as charitable as giving up cash.

fr8neck
22-01-2007, 19:11
If they were bad they'd still have the same money.(so the money isn't a cause of goodness)

What your describing in the OP is really the difference between having, basically, nothing beyond subsistence; and what most in Britain have- enough to get by and a small amount over.
What they do with the extra bit is the thing you're talking about isn't it?

Even without money the way you behave toward others will make the difference between whether you're seen as 'good', 'bad', or indifferent.

As far as deeds go: there are lots of people/organisations that will supply the means of 'good-doing': but you can supply the person to do the work.:)

tom3t0
22-01-2007, 19:12
Give me an example Tom3t0

for a homeless person?
or in general?

ELSoames
22-01-2007, 19:13
I give blood, all its costs me is time, and I know it is put to good use. I don't think having money makes any difference, If someone doesn't let me out of a junction, (and I had already let someone out earlier) I wouldn't let anyone else out for the rest of the day. I mentally tell them that the last person who didn't let me out scuppered any chance of them getting through.

I felt good when I was a brownie leader, helping the kids was nice.

Lanora
22-01-2007, 19:14
What they do with their cash is what I'm talking about, I don't think it makes you a good person because of having money. Its just easier to be a good person when you have the means to be one.

As regards what others think of you, why should people care what other's think of them.

tom3t0
22-01-2007, 19:18
to help a homeless person without money, (strangely enough i have done this while living in a bedsit struggling to pay the rent) i let them sleep on my settee (i'd managed to get settee for free), took them down to howden house to register homeless and told howden house they could stay with me till they were housed by the council. encouraged them to go to job centre to see what benefits they could claim and to look for a job.

JoeP
22-01-2007, 19:22
Hi lanora,

You can give time, to start with. That can be time given to a charity, or time given to help someone in passing, by holding a door, being polite, taking time to talk to someone.

Many voluntary organsiations survive on the work put in by people who turn up, do a few hours free work, then go away again.

You can acknowledge those people on the streets - it may not seem much but it will help those genuinely in need at least feel that they're not totally forgotten in the world.

You can set an example to other people - in your behaviour and attitude. There are lots of people with money who're total pigs. You can set out to change the world one mind and heart at a time by being a decent, civilised, compassionate human being. All the money in the world won't give you that.

Good luck - I'm sure that if you put your mind to it you'll find ways to make the world a better place. As a final thought, bear in mind the prayer of Saint Francis of Assisi (despite it's use by Margaret thatcher. :) )

"Lord, make me an instrument of your peace; where there is hatred, let me sow love; where there is injury, pardon; where there is doubt, faith; where there is despair, hope; where there is darkness, light; and where there is sadness, joy"

He had just the robes he walked in.

medusa
22-01-2007, 21:17
I know a Jesuit priest, and whilst I am not Christian, I admire his faith, in that before you can begin training as a Jesuit you must take a vow of poverty and give up all of your possessions and money, allowing the Jesuits to determine what you need in life, and then work for no money for a period of years in order to show your devotion (before they even agree to take you on to start studying as a priest).

He spent 10 years working in a drug counselling facility, supporting people who were trying to kick their addictions, and he genuinely had nothing to offer them except for emotional support, because he had nothing apart from a few clothes and a bible himself.

It didn't mean that the support he offered was worth any less to the people he was supporting because it didn't come with money attached.

fr8neck
22-01-2007, 21:56
What they do with their cash is what I'm talking about, I don't think it makes you a good person because of having money. Its just easier to be a good person when you have the means to be one.

As regards what others think of you, why should people care what other's think of them.

The reason we care what others think of us is that we have come to respect them and do not wish to be diminished in their eyes by our behaviour.
If we do not have such people, worthy of our respect, in our lives, we grow up to be anti-social toe-rags and a bane to ourselves and those around us.

This 'easier to be a good person if you have loads of money' rubbish that you spout is just the self-exculpation of people who don't bother about anyone but themselves. "I would be a good person if I had money like them; but as I don't I needn't trouble myself".

Good, bad, or indifferent is down to your attitude to others and the expression of that attitude. Money doesn't come into it.

pattricia
22-01-2007, 21:58
No it usually makes them bad.!!!!

Halibut
22-01-2007, 22:00
Two hard posts to follow.(joeP and Medusa) I agree with these sentiments entirely - give of yourself, offer your time and your compassion.
If you'd like to do this within the framework of an organisation why not go to the volunteer services place - I'm sure someone more organised than I am can give you the address. There are plenty of people who'd value your help.

Heyesey
22-01-2007, 22:55
The reason we care what others think of us is that we have come to respect them


You're joking, right? You can't seriously claim to have found any human being worthy of respect.

fr8neck
22-01-2007, 23:00
You're joking, right? You can't seriously claim to have found any human being worthy of respect.

:confused:

Is this 'on thread'?

If it's not a personal dig at me then I don't see what it is at all.

medusa
22-01-2007, 23:03
I think it's just Heyesey's jaded cynical view of people.