Now that the students are back the streets are covered with broken beer bottles and piles of vomit again. We have the delight of large groups of drunken louts singing their way home at closing time. And to top it all off, a spate of windows being put through. Welcome back guys, we've missed you so much.

I wrote to Hallam Uni back in June to get their thoughts on this issue. To date they have not given me the courtesy of a reply. Obviously as long as the tuition fees are rolling in they don't really give a damn about the local community and the impact that growing numbers of students has on it.

Who did you write to at Hallam?

No one specifically. I'd have thought they'd have a system to get things to the attention of the right person but maybe that's where I'm going wrong.

yeah u need to sit in ur garden n wait for the little buggers n when they start to chuck that when you jump em n give them a extra free lesson

Why place the blame directly at Hallam Uni?

Originally posted by sw9wj
Now that the students are back the streets are covered with broken beer bottles and piles of vomit again. We have the delight of large groups of drunken louts singing their way home at closing time. And to top it all off, a spate of windows being put through. Welcome back guys, we've missed you so much.

I wrote to Hallam Uni back in June to get their thoughts on this issue. To date they have not given me the courtesy of a reply. Obviously as long as the tuition fees are rolling in they don't really give a damn about the local community and the impact that growing numbers of students has on it.

What do you expect hallam to do about it, send them home?

Its a fact of life, although im sure you were never 18.

Originally posted by GPRhung
What do you expect hallam to do about it, send them home?

Its a fact of life, although im sure you were never 18.


I was 18, but can't remember vandalising any property or throwing glass bottles on the streets... :huh:

Originally posted by t020
I was 18, but can't remember vandalising any property or throwing glass bottles on the streets... :huh:

Im sure you've just forgotten in your old age

Originally posted by t020
I was 18, but can't remember vandalising any property or throwing glass bottles on the streets... :huh:

Maybe not, but im sure as you were one of those "ruffian" (apparently) SHU students you were drunk on a few occasions

I expect Hallam Uni to take some responsibility for the students they bring to the city. If they aren't prepared to do that then I expect them to reply to me and tell me.

I spent a very drunken 7 years as a student at Sheffield University. I'm sure that at times I was a nuisance. To my recollection I was never intimidating and I certainly never caused damage to other people's property.

Originally posted by sw9wj
I expect Hallam Uni to take some responsibility for the students they bring to the city. If they aren't prepared to do that then I expect them to reply to me and tell me.

I spent a very drunken 7 years as a student at Sheffield University. I'm sure that at times I was a nuisance. To my recollection I was never intimidating and I certainly never cause damage to other people's property.

So.. let me get this straight... because you never did anything like this it somehow manages to make the entire blame fall on Sheffield Hallam Uni?

And they say there is no pettyness over at SU..

Originally posted by sw9wj
I expect Hallam Uni to take some responsibility for the students they bring to the city. If they aren't prepared to do that then I expect them to reply to me and tell me.

I spent a very drunken 7 years as a student at Sheffield University. I'm sure that at times I was a nuisance. To my recollection I was never intimidating and I certainly never caused damage to other people's property.

Well unfortunately outside hallams walls they are powerless to do anything besides say 'please dont damage other people property'

But since when do pesky students respect authority?

wowowo GPR, didn't you know it was only 18-21 year olds who vandalise things and also that ALL students are beer swilling 'louts'??

and why is it Hallams problem anyway, is drunken tomfoolery BELOW the lords and ladies at Sheffield University then?

you people make me sick, if im ever like you whining about stuff that you and your generation did just as much then i think ill just go drink some bleach, and save the world the trouble

Originally posted by MagnumPI
wowowo GPR, didn't you know it was only 18-21 year olds who vandalise things and also that ALL students are beer swilling 'louts'??

and why is it Hallams problem anyway, is drunken tomfoolery BELOW the lords and ladies at Sheffield University then?

you people make me sick, if im ever like you whining about stuff that you and your generation did just as much then i think ill just go drink some bleach, and save the world the trouble.

Toilet Duck in a glass for me!

Cheers! *clink*

Originally posted by RPG
So.. let me get this straight... because you never did anything like this it somehow manages to make the entire blame fall on Sheffield Hallam Uni?

And they say there is no pettyness over at SU..

I’m not being petty. This isn't a discussion about the relative merits of Sheffield's universities. It's about the effects that large numbers of students have on the local community. I don't expect Hallam Uni to police the streets. Having said that, these students represent their university. Is it unreasonable for me to expect Hallam to take an interest in the issue?

Originally posted by GPRhung
Toilet Duck in a glass for me!

Cheers! *clink*

Heh, someones been reading the Viz top tips

Originally posted by sw9wj
I’m not being petty. This isn't a discussion about the relative merits of Sheffield's universities. It's about the effects that large numbers of students have on the local community. I don't expect Hallam Uni to police the streets. Having said that, these students represent their university. It is unreasonable for me to expect Hallam to take an interest in the issue.

So I assume you'll write a letter to sheffield uni too?

Originally posted by sw9wj
I’m not being petty. This isn't a discussion about the relative merits of Sheffield's universities. It's about the effects that large numbers of students have on the local community. I don't expect Hallam Uni to police the streets. Having said that, these students represent their university. It is unreasonable for me to expect Hallam to take an interest in the issue.

How do you know they are hallam students and not sheffield uni students wearing 'I LOVE HALLAM UNIVERSITY' hats and co-ordinated garments?

Originally posted by RPG
Maybe not, but im sure as you were one of those "ruffian" (apparently) SHU students you were drunk on a few occasions


I've never had the inclination to get so drunk that I lose control of what I'm doing. I am able to enjoy a few drinks without smashing up peoples' property and vandalising the streets, aren't you?

Originally posted by t020
I've never had the inclination to get so drunk that I lose control of what I'm doing. I am able to enjoy a few drinks without smashing up peoples' property and vandalising the streets, aren't you?

Neither Have I, but vandalising the streets werent everything that the OP mentioned.

Originally posted by GPRhung
How do you know they are hallam students and not sheffield uni students wearing 'I LOVE HALLAM UNIVERSITY' hats and co-ordinated garments?

Where can I get some of these? :D

Originally posted by GPRhung
How do you know they are hallam students and not sheffield uni students wearing 'I LOVE HALLAM UNIVERSITY' hats and co-ordinated garments?

Well as it's Granville Road it seems like a safe bet.

t020, normally i am, but i must admit on occasion i have been a little worseR for wear than i should have been. this is nothing to do with the university, and as such i wouldnt expect them to do anything. dont expect a reply to your letter, because student life has happened like this for decades.

and another thing, don't apply your 'kerazy's tudent years to us, cos for one you sound like one boring individual.

Originally posted by RPG
Where can I get some of these? :D

Granville Road, might need a couple of washes to get the spraypaint and broken glass out though.

I thought there might have been a bit more intelligent debate then we've had so far.

Originally posted by sw9wj
Well as it's Granville Road it seems like a safe bet.

I wouldnt just assume they are from Hallam. There is a 50% chance they are from SU as well. Infact.... it might be people from *both* uni's!

Originally posted by sw9wj
Well as it's Granville Road it seems like a safe bet.

What? So SHU students only get mashed near their own city campus?

"Yeah lets go up west street and get drunk"
"ok"
"Wow, were ******."
"yeah"
"Lets go back to the vicinity of the university before we vandalise"
"good idea sir!"

intelligent debate? you are needlessly labelling the student community of being involved in irresponsible and criminalistic behavior. which this is almost certainly true of some members of the community, it is by far not all. the REAL bone of contention is the fact you singled out hallam students. this makes you look a pretentious and condescending busybody who is too blinded by his redbrick degrees to remember what student life is really like.

Originally posted by RPG
I wouldnt just assume they are from Hallam. There is a 50% chance they are from SU as well. Infact.... it might be people from *both* uni's!

From a geographical perspective I think they are much more likely to be Hallam students. Uni students tend to mostly live in S10 and S6.

I'm sure that Uni students cause problems too but I don't live in S10 that's why I didn't write to them.

Originally posted by MagnumPI
intelligent debate? you are needlessly labelling the student community of being involved in irresponsible and criminalistic behavior. which this is almost certainly true of some members of the community, it is by far not all. the REAL bone of contention is the fact you singled out hallam students. this makes you look a pretentious and condescending busybody who is too blinded by his redbrick degrees to remember what student life is really like.

You are missing the point that the vast majority of students that live up here go to Hallam!!!

Irrespective of the fact you think the vast amount of Hallam Uni students live near Granville Road you have laid the blame solely upon Hallam uni students and seemingly forgotton that SU students are also just as bad, and are just as likely to be around there due to the large amounts of what is now Partnership schemed housing as opposed to uni owned properly. A tad unfair you have to agree

Originally posted by RPG
Irrespective of the fact you think the vast amount of Hallam Uni students live near Granville Road you have laid the blame solely upon Hallam students. A tad unfair you have to agree

To be fair all I said was that I'd written to Hallam. I'm sure some of the issues we have here have absolutely nothing to do with students. I'm sure that Uni students cause as much grief as Hallam students. I'm sure that most students cause no bother at all. I am not running down Sheffield Hallam University. I have not said that I think Sheffield University is better. I just wanted to discuss the issues we have had in this area. Problems that haven't occurred over the summer vacation. Problems that make living here just that little bit less pleasent. That's all.

Big up to Sheffield Hallam and all it's graduates on the forum.

And a big down to all the irresponsible thugs that want to blight its reputation.

Originally posted by sw9wj
I just wanted to discuss the issues we have had in this area. Problems that haven't occurred over the summer vacation. Problems that make living here just that little bit less pleasent. That's all.

Big up to Sheffield Hallam and all it's graduates on the forum.

Well, thats fair enough but the council are probably a better bet to contact than the University.

I've really enjoyed posting my first ever topic on the forum. It's great being shouted down by people who aren't listening to what you are saying and taking everything they do hear out of context. Better than the pub on a Saturday night.

Im listening, but its certainly a touchy subject im afraid lol.

Theres been quite a few instances of people badmouthing Hallam Uni on here for no other reason than to annoy people at SHU :(

Originally posted by sw9wj
I've really enjoyed posting my first ever topic on the forum. It's great being shouted down by people who aren't listening to what you are saying and taking everything they do hear out of context. Better than the pub on a Saturday night.


Welcome to SF! :D

Originally posted by RPG
Im listening, but its certainly a touchy subject im afraid lol.

Theres been quite a few instances of people badmouthing Hallam Uni on here for no other reason than to annoy people at SHU :(

I hope you will agree that I haven't done that.

Originally posted by t020
Welcome to SF! :D

Cheers t020. From what I've read over the last year you must be pretty used to being shouted down!

Originally posted by sw9wj
I hope you will agree that I haven't done that.

It seemed so at first, but its obvious now you arent

Further to all your comments I will contact Sheffield University, Sheffield City Council and South Yorkshire Police and see if I can anywhere with them. This is a real issue that requires community involvement and that's all I'm trying to get.

Originally posted by sw9wj
Further to all your comments I will contact Sheffield University, Sheffield City Council and South Yorkshire Police and see if I can anywhere with them. This is a real issue that requires community involvement and that's all I'm trying to get.

To be honest, I doubt there will be that much trouble this year. UCAS have been sending out information about anti-social behaviour, and the police have been cracking down on it in the city centre early on since the summer..

Originally posted by sw9wj
Further to all your comments I will contact Sheffield University, Sheffield City Council and South Yorkshire Police and see if I can anywhere with them. This is a real issue that requires community involvement and that's all I'm trying to get.

Don't bother with the boys in blue, read this quote


I have contacted the police and this is what they said.

"Give us 2 or 3 weeks and we should have something sorted.
If he has got rid of the bike then we can still charge him with theft as my description of him and a neighbours description should be enough to charge him.
Sorry its taking so long but we have been busy."

From this thread
http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15936&perpage=15&pagenumber=1

Originally posted by sw9wj
I thought there might have been a bit more intelligent debate then we've had so far. Try speaking to the Community Liasion.

Originally posted by sw9wj
Further to all your comments I will contact Sheffield University, Sheffield City Council and South Yorkshire Police and see if I can anywhere with them. This is a real issue that requires community involvement and that's all I'm trying to get.



June would have been a bed time to write to the University, few students and staff would have been around and those that where would have been in the middle of exams. It is also the last few weeks that the union officers would have been in office, so potentially someone could have filially been found to deal with your letter but then they left office.

Can i suggest you try writing several letters to all the people responsible. The landlord of the halls in that area, someone from the University and some from the Hallam union. Both the University and Union have good websites with contact details for e mail, I'm not sure about the contact for the people running the halls of residence.


If you want help with a clean up ask to speak to Hallam Volunteering, their details can be found on the www.hallamunion.com website, they might be interested in organising some help to keep things tidy in that area.

August is the quietest month of the year with the Christmas holidays being the second.

Can I just say to ALL the students/graduates out there -

Dont forget to smile when asking if your customer wants to supersize ;)

Funny how eerie the place seems when 30,000 of it's population are missing. The pubs and clubs lack life. Saturday afternoons in town are waiting for something to happen. Is this because we are missing the students, or because everybody else is on holiday too? I live miles out of town, in Woodhouse, and the start of the school term is when the evenings get 'interesting' round here. Teenagers are regrouping, mischief making has to be packed into relatively short evenings, the weather has lost it's 'too hot to be bothered' effect, and the shops are full of new stationery that's perfect for applying to bustops. How many teenagers have found a new stomping ground near their new college ON GRANVILLE ROAD? Yes, that building with 'the Sheffield College' written all over the side. However, I was once a resident of Norfolk Park Student Residence, and my fellow students were a rowdy lot then. There's no excuse for criminal damage, and as local residents can make student life uncomfortable if need be, the students would do well to excercise a little consideration.

Some battle lines seem to have been drawn between SHU and SU in this debate. There's no point in mud slinging over redbrickness, a recent visit to SHU disappointed me. It has lost its 'busy' atmosphere. It feels like all of the establishments I didn't want to attend. Has the 'student fees' problem led to the exclusion of the working classes, and turned SHU into a middle class schmoozing ground? And for a university founded on it's engineering, where have all of the facilities gone? Of course, you don't need them if you provide qualifications in things like 'property management'. Give me strength.

I agree that the trouble seems to start when the kids go back to school/college - way before the students come back.

Originally posted by pussycat
I agree that the trouble seems to start when the kids go back to school/college - way before the students come back.

Are you talking in general or about this area (see topic)?

Originally posted by Strix
And for a university founded on it's engineering, where have all of the facilities gone? Of course, you don't need them if you provide qualifications in things like 'property management'. Give me strength.

They're in the engineering building mainly (sheaf building). It is true that there are less students studying engineering these days nationally. I've been asked to talk to prospective students about engineering and science hopefully to make the subjects seem interesting to them. I work at SHU, and there's a real drive to get kids interested in engineering and science again. The more students that take up the courses, the more money generated to improve the already excellent facilities.

Originally posted by pussycat
I agree that the trouble seems to start when the kids go back to school/college - way before the students come back.

The local kids are a walk in the park compared to some of the students.

I mean in general - I've never actually lived in the Granville Road area. Sorry, perhaps a bit off topic.

But I've found the exact opposite to you sw9wj! The local kids can be really scary and intimidating, especially when they hang around in groups in the evening, whereas the students (in my experience) tend to just be drunk and very stupid on their way home.

I have been burgled and had my car broken into whilst I lived in a studenty area - both crimes (and numerous others in that area) were perpertrated by local kids.

I'm interested to find out what you thought writing to the university would achieve though. Would you write to the parents of local naughty children??

Originally posted by pussycat
I'm interested to find out what you thought writing to the university would achieve though. Would you write to the parents of local naughty children??

I know that some universities have schemes where they liase with the local community on these issues. Some even patrol problem areas. Whatever way you want to look at it the universities are involved in these issues.

As for children then you'd surely go and speak to their parents?

Anyway, these people have to learn about normal, socially acceptable behaviour. Better they learn from their uni than from the police or, worse still, angry locals taking the law into their own hands.

I saw the bin fire too. It was right next to someone's house and potentially very dangerous. Still, just students larking about. All in good fun and all that.

Originally posted by Andy78
They're in the engineering building mainly (sheaf building). It is true that there are less students studying engineering these days nationally. I've been asked to talk to prospective students about engineering and science hopefully to make the subjects seem interesting to them. I work at SHU, and there's a real drive to get kids interested in engineering and science again. The more students that take up the courses, the more money generated to improve the already excellent facilities.

Both I and my husband are graduates of SHU 10 yrs ago (aaargh, is it that long?). I notice you have only been in Sheffield for five years, so you perhaps you are not able to compare past and present facilities. We, on the other hand, had demolition balls and cranes working to change the face of SHU as we sat our finals. We thought that one day in the future we may benefit from these 'improvements', but a perusal of your website has been disappointing. The facilities for Civil engineering once included equipment unavailable elsewhere in the country, but you probably don't even know what was in the tiers, do you? Did you know that Civil Engineering was once AVAILABLE at Hallam? Sorry for ranting at you. It's not your fault if SHU has lost it's soul.

Originally posted by Strix
Both I and my husband are graduates of SHU 10 yrs ago (aaargh, is it that long?). I notice you have only been in Sheffield for five years, so you perhaps you are not able to compare past and present facilities. We, on the other hand, had demolition balls and cranes working to change the face of SHU as we sat our finals. We thought that one day in the future we may benefit from these 'improvements', but a perusal of your website has been disappointing. The facilities for Civil engineering once included equipment unavailable elsewhere in the country, but you probably don't even know what was in the tiers, do you? Did you know that Civil Engineering was once AVAILABLE at Hallam? Sorry for ranting at you. It's not your fault if SHU has lost it's soul.

this isn't even remotely on topic

I was addressing Andy's point. Are you some sort of control freak? And anyway it is on topic. Perhaps students USED to have better things to do than break windows. (if your assumptions are correct, which I dont think they are, coz if they were you'd be able to identify the culprits). A proper engineering course had over 30 hours of TIMETABLED work in a week, let alone homework. Since the introduction of commercialism to the education system, it makes better financial sense to charge more and educate less! This leaves plenty of hours of untimetabled boredom to fill. Pass me a brick. Do I sound tired? I ramble when I 'm tired.

yet again walking along norfolk road (just behind granville) and bins knocked over the place.......do they get some stupid sence of achivement or something??????

How come only students get the blame for this dodgy behaviour ? im a local lad and belive me i have been involved in my share of "mischief" making and the likes in and around town as has my friends who some aint students.
Im all for the students as it makes eccie road come to life , although i do hate/resent them sheffield needs them end of.
My mate lives on junction road and for what ever reason when we got to his home at2am and left at 4am theyre was paint tipped over the road outside (more planned anti sutdent graffiti??) but when i drove past at 1 the next day after work it looked a right state , fair enough knock a bin over ,steal a sign but that was OTT really.
But ive never seen windows put though around that area

Originally posted by Snakey_B
How come only students get the blame for this dodgy behaviour ?

Originally posted by Snakey_B
My mate lives on junction road .... ive never seen windows put though around that area

You are obviously luckier in that area (Ecclesall or Woodhouse ? Junction road)

Originally posted by pjb
Rightly or wrongly i thinks it's due to at least a couple of reasons;
(i) The time of year of most 'activity' - as in previous posts.
(ii) The large village which houses 645 SHU self-catering students owned by the university and accessed from Granville road.

Erm, I may have got this wrong, but are you suggesting that the students in the self catering units have been 'shopping' in the bins??? No, ignore that. I would.