We're now around three fifths through the season and the tables are taking up something which won't be far from their final shape., and Manchester United are six points in front of Chelsea. There are a few candidates for best player in the Premiership. So who is the Premiership's besat player?

So far this season C. Ronaldo with an honourable mention to Shay Given who doesn't get much attention as a goalie at a crap team but he has a great record considering the series of appalling defences he's had deal with for years now, without him Newcastle Utd would concede a ridiculous amount of goals (as they did this season when he was injured).

Another honourable mention to Rio Ferdinand, the linchpin of a very tight defence which concedes very few despite being given much less defensive help by the midfield than many premiership sides, doesn't get much credit here as English fans seem to prefer hard to sophisticated defenders.

It's got to be Ronaldo in my opinion and he is only going to get better. Just hope he doesn't go to Barca like some of the rumours are saying. For the Premiership to be the best league in the world it needs the best players

But also is magic, I know I'm backtracking a bit here.

Between Ronaldo and Henry for me.

Perhaps Henry now, but I cant imagine Ronaldo wont be at his level when he gets to his age.
At Ronaldos age, Henry was being drummed out of Juventus!

Honourable mention for PAUL SCHOLES, certainly if FAT Frank makes the poll!!

Steven Gerrard nuf sed. He is the worlds most complete player IMO. I see Ronaldo is way ahead in this poll but let me say this..... can he defend?? can he get through a game without diving??? did he wink and set out to get a fellow club team mate sent off??? This season apart,,, does he get 20+ goals in a season???? Can he play in 3-4 diff positions and still be best player on the park.

Steven Gerrard can play anywhere and be just as good. He scores 20+ goals nearly every season. He can defend as good as most defenders. He has the heart of a lion and never ever gives up the course. He doesnt cheat and dive.

IMO he should win this vote by streets. Can anyone agree/disagree with the above........ remember ... the thread says premierships best player NOT most inform player. Gerrard has been this for the past 3-4 seasons..... EASY.

So far this season C. Ronaldo with an honourable mention to Shay Given who doesn't get much attention as a goalie at a crap team but he has a great record considering the series of appalling defences he's had deal with for years now, without him Newcastle Utd would concede a ridiculous amount of goals (as they did this season when he was injured).

Another honourable mention to Rio Ferdinand, the linchpin of a very tight defence which concedes very few despite being given much less defensive help by the midfield than many premiership sides, doesn't get much credit here as English fans seem to prefer hard to sophisticated defenders.

Is this a Man U site???? Rio Ferdinand? Linchpin?

Liverpool has the best defensive record in the prem so surely Carra should get a mention.

Pepe has broke all records for clean sheats. Shay Given lol come on.

This thread seems to be totally biased towards Man U and although i myself am biased towards LFC... my comments are backed up with facts not claims that the prems best player is someone who has had 4 good months which before that couldnt even pass he was that greedy. Also nobody dare tackle him anymore cos they know he will go down like he has been hit by 10 mike tysons..... anyone agree

Steven Gerrard for me.

He's consistent, performs well in almost any position, and always works hard.

Is this a Man U site???? Rio Ferdinand? Linchpin?

Liverpool has the best defensive record in the prem so surely Carra should get a mention.

Pepe has broke all records for clean sheats. Shay Given lol come on.

This thread seems to be totally biased towards Man U and although i myself am biased towards LFC... my comments are backed up with facts not claims that the prems best player is someone who has had 4 good months which before that couldnt even pass he was that greedy. Also nobody dare tackle him anymore cos they know he will go down like he has been hit by 10 mike tysons..... anyone agree

It was biased towards Man U, but you're trying to make it biased towards Liverpool.

Gerrard is certainly a very good player, but I'd go for Ronaldo at the moment, because of the potential to get even better than he is now.

Shay Given IS a better keeper than Pepe. Never mind the clean sheets, Given makes more important, better saves. Pepe is a bit shaky from what I've seen.

sorry if i was a little bias but it just seemed the arguements was all for MU players with no backup.

The thread does state tho the best prem player.. not the player with most potential. If people had a choice of who to have in there team surely it would be SG for his all round ability. CR is one dimensional and because of his diving, no player dare touch him... that cant be right

the best player in the prem is henry, has been for the last few years.
most inform player is ronaldo (i hate even typing that)

and paul your mad if you think gerrard scores 20+ goals in the prem every year :loopy:
like every red i know, you distort facts :rolleyes:

Is this a Man U site???? Rio Ferdinand? Linchpin?

Liverpool has the best defensive record in the prem so surely Carra should get a mention.

Pepe has broke all records for clean sheats. Shay Given lol come on.

This thread seems to be totally biased towards Man U and although i myself am biased towards LFC... my comments are backed up with facts not claims that the prems best player is someone who has had 4 good months which before that couldnt even pass he was that greedy. Also nobody dare tackle him anymore cos they know he will go down like he has been hit by 10 mike tysons..... anyone agree

Jamie Carragher?? Oh dear - what a joke!!

.................Henry.........Drogba............. .

J Cole........Lampard.....Gerrard.....Ronaldo

.......................Makalele................... ...

.........Ferdinand.....Terry.....G Neville.......

........................Cech...................... .....


Subs:
Rooney
Van Persie
Essien
Carvalho
Van Der Sar

Beat that.......

William Gallas deserves to be in that side ahead of Rio Ferdinand, whose distribution is appalling.

Very peculiar how he never seems to get a mention in these things. :confused:

Steven Gerrard nuf sed. He is the worlds most complete player IMO. I see Ronaldo is way ahead in this poll but let me say this..... can he defend??
How much defensive work does Henry do? Ronaldo does some tracking back tackling and so forth but as one of his jobs is to stay in a position to receive the ball and launch counter attacks (something he is very, very good at) he's not supposed to do too much defending.

can he get through a game without diving???
Because of course Gerrard would never dive (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prcxxr4bJ3E) and is in no way hypocritical on this subject in his condemnations of Ronaldo :rolleyes:

did he wink and set out to get a fellow club team mate sent off???
I think you'll find it was Rooney stamping that got himself sent off.

This season apart,,, does he get 20+ goals in a season????
How many wingers ever do and how many times has Gerrard done so?

Can he play in 3-4 diff positions and still be best player on the park.
He can play in several positions but so what if he couldn't? Fat Ronaldo isn't all that versatile does that mean he wasn't one of the best players in the world for many seasons?

Steven Gerrard can play anywhere and be just as good. He scores 20+ goals nearly every season.
Wrong, Gerrard has scored 20+ only once his next best season was 13.

He can defend as good as most defenders. He has the heart of a lion and never ever gives up the course. He doesnt cheat and dive.
Ahem (http://soccerlens.com/diver-gerrard-is-a-hypocrite/2244513.html)

IMO he should win this vote by streets. Can anyone agree/disagree with the above........ remember ... the thread says premierships best player NOT most inform player. Gerrard has been this for the past 3-4 seasons..... EASY.
The OP starts out 'We're now around three fifths through the season' clearly suggesting that there's a focus on this season, besides if you're looking back over the last 3-4 seasons Henry is probably the most consistently superb player in the Premiership.

How much defensive work does Henry do? Ronaldo does some tracking back tackling and so forth but as one of his jobs is to stay in a position to receive the ball and launch counter attacks (something he is very, very good at) he's not supposed to do too much defending.


Because of course Gerrard would never dive (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prcxxr4bJ3E) and is in no way hypocritical on this subject in his condemnations of Ronaldo :rolleyes:


I think you'll find it was Rooney stamping that got himself sent off.


How many wingers ever do and how many times has Gerrard done so?


He can play in several positions but so what if he couldn't? Fat Ronaldo isn't all that versatile does that mean he wasn't one of the best players in the world for many seasons?


Wrong, Gerrard has scored 20+ only once his next best season was 13.


Ahem (http://soccerlens.com/diver-gerrard-is-a-hypocrite/2244513.html)


The OP starts out 'We're now around three fifths through the season' clearly suggesting that there's a focus on this season, besides if you're looking back over the last 3-4 seasons Henry is probably the most consistently superb player in the Premiership.

I agree with your view on henry... he is quality but as u say we r talking about this season so how can it be henry.... hes barely played.

should the thread then read 'most inform player in the prem cos i think we should judge on the last couple of seasons if we are talking about the BEST because to be the BEST you cannot just perform for a couple of months and be called the BEST

Is this a Man U site????
It's as much a Man U site as a Liverpool one.

Rio Ferdinand? Linchpin?
Indeed he is as testified by Uniteds poor record when he was suspended a few seasons back.

Liverpool has the best defensive record in the prem so surely Carra should get a mention.
Wrong yet again, Manu & Liverpool have the exact same record with 16 conceded & no Liverpool defender should get a mention because they conceded those goals playing in a more defensive team than United.

Pepe has broke all records for clean sheats. Shay Given lol come on.
Does Pepe play behind what has been consistently one of the worst defences in the Premiership? No he doesn't, Given however does and performs superbly despite this.

This thread seems to be totally biased towards Man U and although i myself am biased towards LFC...
Yeah because Given plays for Man U, oh wait he doesn't you're talking rubbish.

my comments are backed up with facts not claims that the prems best player is someone who has had 4 good months which before that couldnt even pass he was that greedy. Also nobody dare tackle him anymore cos they know he will go down like he has been hit by 10 mike tysons..... anyone agree
Your comments are not backed by facts, infact many of your claims are flat out wrong, such as your bizare rose tinted claim that gerrard usually scores more than 20 a season, doesn't dive and that Liverpool have the 'best defensive record in the prem'

Whenever a high-profile English player or manager moans about Johnny Foreigner diving it makes me chuckle.

The likes of Gerrard, Owen, Beckham and Rooney are amongst the worst you'll come across for this. Rarely mentioned, of course.

I agree with your view on henry... he is quality but as u say we r talking about this season so how can it be henry.... hes barely played.

should the thread then read 'most inform player in the prem cos i think we should judge on the last couple of seasons if we are talking about the BEST because to be the BEST you cannot just perform for a couple of months and be called the BEST
How's about you respond to the videos I linked to of Gerrard diving? As he did for example against Sheffield United earlier this season, he even does it in friendlies like in the England Hungary game.

How's about you respond to the videos I linked to of Gerrard diving? As he did for example against Sheffield United earlier this season, he even does it in friendlies like in the England Hungary game.

Look i seem to have rattled a few cages and my apologies for that. I just feel that (and my facts may be slightly exagerated) that SG is a better all round player than CR and i for one would never change him (swap) for CR in a million years.

.................Henry.........Drogba............. .

J Cole........Lampard.....Gerrard.....Ronaldo

.......................Makalele................... ...

.........Ferdinand.....Terry.....G Neville.......

........................Cech...................... .....


Subs:
Rooney
Van Persie
Essien
Carvalho
Van Der Sar

Beat that.......
have you missed all the England games for the last few seasons? Lampard & Gerrard just can't play together in the middle, also are you sure about 3 at the back? Most teams are very reliant on attacking full backs these days

Look i seem to have rattled a few cages and my apologies for that. I just feel that (and my facts may be slightly exagerated) that SG is a better all round player than CR and i for one would never change him (swap) for CR in a million years.
So you concede that Gerrard is a diver and a hypocrite?

LOL Paul lad don't take it so personally. As a fellow LFC fan I agree Gerrard is an amazing player. Truely world class with an good all round game. However if you asked me would I swap him for Henry or Ronaldho you bet I would. Both would improve our team greatly and with Xabi and Momo (and hopefully Mascherano) we would manage quite well without Stevie.

I wouldn't swap Carra for anyone though ;) But that's more for his attitude. An excellent centre back who I think will benefit from the pace of Agger alongside him. A Captain in the making. But he'll never make greatest defender cos he's not versatile enough. If he was we'd never be looking at Neill as a stopgap.

..................henry..........drogba


ronaldo.........gerrard......makalele...........hl eb


cole................terry.......lescott........... gary neville


.............................cech

Ashley Cole isn't even the best left-back at Chelsea, never mind in the Premiership.

As for Carragher, he has got a great attitude in that he doesn't mind getting stuck in. But ask him to defend against a guy like Henry...

have you missed all the England games for the last few seasons? Lampard & Gerrard just can't play together in the middle, also are you sure about 3 at the back? Most teams are very reliant on attacking full backs these days

agree and as for gary neville ( horseface) well.... say no more squire

Ashley Cole isn't even the best left-back at Chelsea, never mind in the Premiership.

As for Carragher, he has got a great attitude in that he doesn't mind getting stuck in. But ask him to defend against a guy like Henry...

ask anyone to defend against a guy like henry?

Carra is solid and anyone who says he cant cut it well.... cant be bad if he is the main man in the best defence in the prem can he ???

agree and as for gary neville ( horseface) well.... say no more squire

Yawn........


Did I see Lescott in someones team??!!

neville is a good full back and because he is a complete a**e people forget that.

and lescott was the signing of the season in my book, he is a fantastic player.

Why is he an ar*e?

Because he loves his hometown club?
Because he has stayed there all his career?
Because he is a bit militant and speaks out when he feels strongly about something?
Or is it just because of his dodgy tache?

dude your a manc, your biased!

lets do a poll on if people think he is an arse or not and even some mancs will vote yes. as i said i think hes a great player and i respect him for speaking his mind but the crap that comes out...

agree and as for gary neville ( horseface) well.... say no more squire
As a liverpool fan you obviously don't like him but G Neville is undeniably a damn good attacking right back, so good that Man U have never felt the need to seek anyone better, with only Eboue rivalling him in the premiership.

ask anyone to defend against a guy like henry?
Many have done a better job, iirc Woodgate for example did a good job of nullifying him, actually having a bit of pace helps when facing a player like Henry.

Carra is solid and anyone who says he cant cut it well.... cant be bad if he is the main man in the best defence in the prem can he ???
Why are you repeating this falsehood? As I have already pointed out Liverpool haven’t got the best defence in the premiership, they have conceded 16 exactly the same figure as Man U. As Man U’s midfield is much more offensive than Liverpool’s negative set up this would suggest that Man U’s defence is better.

Also will you please answer the question: Do you concede that Gerrard is a diver and a hypocrite?

dude your a manc, your biased!

lets do a poll on if people think he is an arse or not and even some mancs will vote yes. as i said i think hes a great player and i respect him for speaking his mind but the crap that comes out...
Has he ever said anything as jaw droppingly arseholish and hypocritical as this (http://soccerlens.com/diver-gerrard-is-a-hypocrite/2244513.html):

“I think that sums him up as a person. I saw what Ronaldo did and if it was one of my team-mates I’d be absolutely disgusted by him because there’s no need for that.

“If I was playing against a Liverpool colleague and they were involved in a situation like that I’d never try to get them sent off. I saw Ronaldo going over and giving the card gesture and I think he’s bang out of order for that.

“But Wayne won’t get any blame from me because I love him and he’s done so much for this team and will do so much more in future.”

Has he ever said anything as jaw droppingly arseholish and hypocritical as this (http://soccerlens.com/diver-gerrard-is-a-hypocrite/2244513.html):

mate i dont support liverpool so will happily say they both talk crap :P

i dont know who was saying that quote? if it was neville or gerrard its a good thing to say.

mate i dont support liverpool so will happily say they both talk crap :P

i dont know who was saying that quote? if it was neville or gerrard its a good thing to say.
It was Gerrard and it would have been a good thing to say if it wasn't for the fact that he habitually dives himself (http://soccerlens.com/diver-gerrard-is-a-hypocrite/2244513.html), as do other Liverpool players (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prcxxr4bJ3E&eurl=) which is why it was instead an incredibly hypocritical thing to say.

have you missed all the England games for the last few seasons? Lampard & Gerrard just can't play together in the middle, also are you sure about 3 at the back? Most teams are very reliant on attacking full backs these days

I disagree. I think Lampard and Gerrard could play together if employed properly. 4-4-2 with the pair of them in the centre doesn't wrok, so they need someone to cover behind them.

3-5-2, 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 with them in the centre could work I reckon. This isn't the system Mclaren likes to play though.

I disagree. I think Lampard and Gerrard could play together if employed properly. 4-4-2 with the pair of them in the centre doesn't wrok, so they need someone to cover behind them.

3-5-2, 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 with them in the centre could work I reckon. This isn't the system Mclaren likes to play though.
England played Gerrard and Lampard in the middle with a defensive midfielder behind them and 4 at the back in the world up, it didn't work.

More recently under McLaren they tried 3 at the back and 5 in the middle against Croatia (though with out Gerrard) that worked even worse with the defence all over the place in a system they just didn't know how to play.

Anyway this is my team of the season so far:

..........Henry.........Drogba

Giggs.....Essien........Scholes....Ronaldo

Evra.......Gallas.....Ferdinand......Eboué

.....................Cech

Subs:
Rooney
Robben
Gerrard
Wes Brown
Given

That's based on performances this season, Cole is better than Evra but his form hasn't been great since he went to Chelsea.

Henry as overall player in Premiership

Scholes for best British player on current form

England played Gerrard and Lampard in the middle with a defensive midfielder behind them and 4 at the back in the world up, it didn't work.

More recently under McLaren they tried 3 at the back and 5 in the middle against Croatia (though with out Gerrard) that worked even worse with the defence all over the place in a system they just didn't know how to play.

Anyway this is my team of the season so far:

..........Henry.........Drogba

Giggs.....Essien........Scholes....Ronaldo

Evra.......Gallas.....Ferdinand......Eboué

.....................Cech

Subs:
Rooney
Robben
Gerrard
Wes Brown
Given

That's based on performances this season, Cole is better than Evra but his form hasn't been great since he went to Chelsea.

based on performances this season ???????? Henry has been injured most of it. Wes Brown sub ... come on.. Y didnt you just type 'Man U' and save your fingers.

Scholes in ahead of Gerrard ... Yeah right.

Evra .. get a grip.. your so Man U biased its embarrasing.

Giggs :hihi:

As a liverpool fan you obviously don't like him but G Neville is undeniably a damn good attacking right back, so good that Man U have never felt the need to seek anyone better, with only Eboue rivalling him in the premiership.


Many have done a better job, iirc Woodgate for example did a good job of nullifying him, actually having a bit of pace helps when facing a player like Henry.


Why are you repeating this falsehood? As I have already pointed out Liverpool haven’t got the best defence in the premiership, they have conceded 16 exactly the same figure as Man U. As Man U’s midfield is much more offensive than Liverpool’s negative set up this would suggest that Man U’s defence is better.

Also will you please answer the question: Do you concede that Gerrard is a diver and a hypocrite?

Answer to your question!!!

No I wont concede Gerrard is a diver or a cheat (no more than any other modern day player).... to put SG in the same bracket as CR is a joke... all the experts all the fans (except ManU) say the same..... CR is allways looking for a free kick/penalty and uses the fact that nobody dare go nr him to his advantage. Some may say well done for that but if you only put fear into defenders cos you go down like a sh..t butty then for me thats wrong. Gerrard may have won a few dubious pens but CR tries it game after game after game.

Also i wont say Gerrard is a bad sportman who tries to get his club colleague sent of by badgering him all game then when he succeeds, winking to the bench as if to say 'job done'. No SG has never ever ever done that.

Short memories all you voting for CR..... hes a smuck

Rant over lol :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:

Answer to your question!!!

No I wont concede Gerrard is a diver or a cheat (no more than any other modern day player).... to put SG in the same bracket as CR is a joke... all the experts all the fans (except ManU) say the same..... CR is allways looking for a free kick/penalty and uses the fact that nobody dare go nr him to his advantage. Some may say well done for that but if you only put fear into defenders cos you go down like a sh..t butty then for me thats wrong. Gerrard may have won a few dubious pens but CR tries it game after game after game.

Also i wont say Gerrard is a bad sportman who tries to get his club colleague sent of by badgering him all game then when he succeeds, winking to the bench as if to say 'job done'. No SG has never ever ever done that.

Short memories all you voting for CR..... hes a smuck

Rant over lol :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:

And you talk about being biased.
Ronaldo isnt a dirty little ****ebag who has on two seperate occasions tried to break someones leg with a horrific challenge. (ask Everton).

And you talk about being biased.
Ronaldo isnt a dirty little ****ebag who has on two seperate occasions tried to break someones leg with a horrific challenge. (ask Everton).

Bad tackles isnt cheating the ref into a dicision (SG was punished for them tackles if memory serves me correct - has CR been punished for cheating /getting player sent off and winking at bench with satisfaction).

Im not denying CR is a excellant player but this whole thread was started with me saying that IMO SG is a better ALL ROUND player than CR which i stick too

Bad tackles isnt cheating the ref into a dicision (SG was punished for them tackles if memory serves me correct - has CR been punished for cheating /getting player sent off and winking at bench with satisfaction).

Im not denying CR is a excellant player but this whole thread was started with me saying that IMO SG is a better ALL ROUND player than CR which i stick too


Rooney got himself sent off. He deserved to go. I was there.
It was a sending off offence.

Ronaldo at Gerrards age?
I think he will be twice the player SG is now.
Admittedly, he won't be at United, but there you are.

Rooney got himself sent off. He deserved to go. I was there.
It was a sending off offence.

Ronaldo at Gerrards age?
I think he will be twice the player SG is now.
Admittedly, he won't be at United, but there you are.

Twice the player... wake up. Every top manager in europe has stated that SG is in the top 3 worlds best players... r u stating that CR will be double as good as SG ... dont think so.

Look at the games he has won Olympiakos, CL final (dragged us back), FA cup final (2 amazing goals) and all the other games where at times he single handedly carried us through games (previous seasons). Can u honestly say CR has as much impact and has done as much for ManU. If your honest and u look at the facts then anyone must see that i am correct with what i am saying.... CR is good but he is no SG

I think Ronaldo is the best player around at the moment. Joint leading scorer in the prem, he seems to be getting rid of the diving and each week he seems to bring out another trick rather than stepping over the ball 5 times and falling over.

I think Ronaldo is the best player around at the moment. Joint leading scorer in the prem, he seems to be getting rid of the diving and each week he seems to bring out another trick rather than stepping over the ball 5 times and falling over.

I agree he is prob the most improved player in the prem your right... i am just claiming that S Gerrards overall game is better therefore making him a better all round player!!!

Oh this is fabulous .... Ang now going into arrogant gloat mode....

REMEMBER, when I - thats I, said months ago that Ronaldo was:

a) Better than Robben - and got laughed at
b) Said that Ronaldo was world class - and got laughed at again
c) Said that Man Utd would be silly to let him go after the world cup and definitely got laughed at.

Was I right or wrong then peeps? :D

a) Definitely better than Robben - Cris has gotten miles MILES better and its from people jeering and booing him thats just spurred him on after what happened in the world cup - so to the people that 'used' to boo and jeer him - I want to thankyou all for making him work 100% harder to miff you all off - god bless you all

PS: I dont hear boo's and jeers anymore to be honest.

b) The boy was world class BEFORE he signed for us, thats why our players after playing against Sporting and watching him rip through us - begged fergie to sign him - which he did.... thats how much of a player he is.
He's just got better and better with us - and its scary because, how good will he be in a few years time?

c) After what happened in the world cup - I heard a lot of people on this forum wanting the lads blood, now it seems only sunshine shines out of cristiano's arse it seems.

My, how the scenario has changed :D

Steven Gerrard nuf sed. He is the worlds most complete player IMO. I see Ronaldo is way ahead in this poll but let me say this..... can he defend?? can he get through a game without diving??? did he wink and set out to get a fellow club team mate sent off??? This season apart,,, does he get 20+ goals in a season???? Can he play in 3-4 diff positions and still be best player on the park.

Steven Gerrard can play anywhere and be just as good. He scores 20+ goals nearly every season. He can defend as good as most defenders. He has the heart of a lion and never ever gives up the course. He doesnt cheat and dive.

IMO he should win this vote by streets. Can anyone agree/disagree with the above........ remember ... the thread says premierships best player NOT most inform player. Gerrard has been this for the past 3-4 seasons..... EASY.

Let me tell you about Stevie G:

Do you remember, a few seasons ago when an aging Roy Keane made an inform stevie g his bitch?? Hmm hmmmm because I do.
In BOTH games.

Do you remember when england got knocked out the world cup- who was it that we needed to take a penalty and score - gerrard was it??
Oops... gerrard missed - blew it big time on the grandest stage of them all.
RONALDO didnt and put us out.

So lets put all these things into the equation shall we:-

Ronaldo is the real deal, and he will get even better with age - gerrard for all the press he got before has lost all the plaudits that he had - and to be honest, Paul Scholes has been a better player than him this season even STILL with a dicky eye...

Stevie G CANT play everywhere - as proved in the england setup, because he cant form a decent partnership with Lampard so has to be put elsewhere in the lineup to cater for Lampard - who I dont rate that highly as well to be honest.

Heart of a lion maybe - but when it comes down to it - having the heart of a lion wont win you things so I'll take the portugese lad thankyou if I was picking a side.

Rooney got himself sent off. He deserved to go. I was there.
It was a sending off offence.

Ronaldo at Gerrards age?
I think he will be twice the player SG is now.
Admittedly, he won't be at United, but there you are.

Agreed guds :D

I also have to tearfully agree that we'll be stupid and wont be able to keep hold of Ronny as well - UNLESS ... the glaziers pull something out of their magic hat to keep the lad on board when Real and Barcelona come knocking.

Let me tell you about Stevie G:

Do you remember, a few seasons ago when an aging Roy Keane made an inform stevie g his bitch?? Hmm hmmmm because I do.
In BOTH games.

Do you remember when england got knocked out the world cup- who was it that we needed to take a penalty and score - gerrard was it??
Oops... gerrard missed - blew it big time on the grandest stage of them all.
RONALDO didnt and put us out.

So lets put all these things into the equation shall we:-

Ronaldo is the real deal, and he will get even better with age - gerrard for all the press he got before has lost all the plaudits that he had - and to be honest, Paul Scholes has been a better player than him this season even STILL with a dicky eye...

Stevie G CANT play everywhere - as proved in the england setup, because he cant form a decent partnership with Lampard so has to be put elsewhere in the lineup to cater for Lampard - who I dont rate that highly as well to be honest.

Heart of a lion maybe - but when it comes down to it - having the heart of a lion wont win you things so I'll take the portugese lad thankyou if I was picking a side.

well said.... all these people who laughed at you are now claiming that in 6 month or whatever he has become better than anyone else in the prem when they have been doing it season after season... hes a little boy on form thats all ... he isnt same class as SG , Henry etc

well said.... all these people who laughed at you are now claiming that in 6 month or whatever he has become better than anyone else in the prem when they have been doing it season after season... hes a little boy on form thats all ... he isnt same class as SG , Henry etc

Correction - he's a little boy on form - who showed up a whole england team made up of 'superstar' players how to win a football match, by using his knowledge of rooney to get the star player taken off the field and also the lad knows how to score a penalty under pressure from the spotlight of all the world watching him, to send us home.

I'd say the lad was a frikkin genius myself :D

Henry - get him into a big game, especially against us usually and he blows it- he gets marked out of the game, and he gets the tits on - now thats not what I call a player 'supposedly' best in the prem.

SG - I thought he was brilliant during your champions league win, congrats on that by the way - but sorry, he's not done anything like or been as good since in my eyes.

Hence Ronny - king of the prem :D

Correction - he's a little boy on form - who showed up a whole england team made up of 'superstar' players how to win a football match, by using his knowledge of rooney to get the star player taken off the field and also the lad knows how to score a penalty under pressure from the spotlight of all the world watching him, to send us home.

I'd say the lad was a frikkin genius myself :D

Henry - get him into a big game, especially against us usually and he blows it- he gets marked out of the game, and he gets the tits on - now thats not what I call a player 'supposedly' best in the prem.

SG - I thought he was brilliant during your champions league win, congrats on that by the way - but sorry, he's not done anything like or been as good since in my eyes.

Hence Ronny - king of the prem :D

what not been as good since CL final .... F.A. Cup final Perhaps :huh:

Correction - he's a little boy on form - who showed up a whole england team made up of 'superstar' players how to win a football match, by using his knowledge of rooney to get the star player taken off the field and also the lad knows how to score a penalty under pressure from the spotlight of all the world watching him, to send us home.

I'd say the lad was a frikkin genius myself :D

Henry - get him into a big game, especially against us usually and he blows it- he gets marked out of the game, and he gets the tits on - now thats not what I call a player 'supposedly' best in the prem.

SG - I thought he was brilliant during your champions league win, congrats on that by the way - but sorry, he's not done anything like or been as good since in my eyes.

Hence Ronny - king of the prem :D

yeah congrats on ronny using his knowledge to get him off the field well done (very sporting like)

Christiano Ronaldo's performances in his first two years at Old Trafford were not a patch on Robbens. Ronaldo is performing fantastically now though.

I'd still have Steven Gerrard ahead of Ronaldo though. Players like Gerrard galvanize and lead a team.

Can I have both at Sheff Utd? And Robben?

It's got to be Ronaldo in my opinion and he is only going to get better. Just hope he doesn't go to Barca like some of the rumours are saying. For the Premiership to be the best league in the world it needs the best players

Couldn't agree more :thumbsup:

yeah congrats on ronny using his knowledge to get him off the field well done (very sporting like)

not really a secret that Rooney is an immature dufus who's wound up very very easily indeed.

Christiano Ronaldo's performances in his first two years at Old Trafford were not a patch on Robbens. Ronaldo is performing fantastically now though.

I'd still have Steven Gerrard ahead of Ronaldo though. Players like Gerrard galvanize and lead a team.

Can I have both at Sheff Utd? And Robben?

at last ... some sense. CR has only had 6 good months Gerrards been doing it consistently for 6 yrs

based on performances this season ???????? Henry has been injured most of it.
He's played 14 times that's plenty to judge from and scored 8 goals

Wes Brown sub ... come on.. Y didnt you just type 'Man U' and save your fingers.
Yes Wes, he's a superb defender who can play a full and centre back as such a good defender to have on the bench.

Scholes in ahead of Gerrard ... Yeah right.
Scholes has been in superb form all season and is the central part of the premierships best midfield so yes indeed Scholes ahead of Gerrard, he might not run around like a nutter as much as Gerrard but he contributes more to the team, incidentally I'm not the only person here to think this (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1860430&postcount=38).

Evra .. get a grip.. your so Man U biased its embarrasing. ok then name a left back who's been playing better this season, as for being baised, Man U are top of the table and have only dropped 9 out of a possible 69 points so it's fair to say that the players must have been doing something right.

Giggs :hihi:
Name a left winger who's been in better form this season.

He's played 14 times that's plenty to judge from and scored 8 goals


Yes Wes, he's a superb defender who can play a full and centre back as such a good defender to have on the bench.


Scholes has been in superb form all season and is the central part of the premierships best midfield so yes indeed Scholes ahead of Gerrard, he might not run around like a nutter as much as Gerrard but he contributes more to the team, incidentally I'm not the only person here to think this (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1860430&postcount=38).

ok then name a left back who's been playing better this season, as for being baised, Man U are top of the table and have only dropped 9 out of a possible 69 points so it's fair to say that the players must have been doing something right.


Name a left winger who's been in better form this season.

scholes contributes more for the team .. give over SG has dragged LFC through more matches in recent times than i can remember. r u saying SG just runs around and doesnt contribute???

does anyone agree with that statement

Answer to your question!!!

No I wont concede Gerrard is a diver or a cheat (no more than any other modern day player)....
Then how do you explain all the blatant diving on the links I posted?

to put SG in the same bracket as CR is a joke... all the experts all the fans (except ManU) say the same..... CR is allways looking for a free kick/penalty and uses the fact that nobody dare go nr him to his advantage. Some may say well done for that but if you only put fear into defenders cos you go down like a sh..t butty then for me thats wrong.
Making up 'facts' again are we... if 'nobody dare go nr him' then how come Ronaldo is the second most fouled player in the premiership (http://home.skysports.com/column.aspx?hlid=434811&lid=Sky_Sports_Columnist_Martin_Tyler&title=Mind+the+gaps+-+Tyler&channel=http://home.skysports.com/column.aspx?hlid=434811&lid=Sky_Sports_Columnist_Martin_Tyler&title=Mind+the+gaps+-+Tyler&channel=)?

Gerrard may have won a few dubious pens but CR tries it game after game after game.

Also i wont say Gerrard is a bad sportman who tries to get his club colleague sent of by badgering him all game then when he succeeds, winking to the bench as if to say 'job done'. No SG has never ever ever done that.

Short memories all you voting for CR..... hes a smuck

Rant over lol :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:
Gerrard is the kind of 'bad sportsman' who launches into potential leg breaking tackles and who repeatedly makes hypocritical attacks on 'divers' whilst being one himself.

Then how do you explain all the blatant diving on the links I posted?


Making up 'facts' again are we... if 'nobody dare go nr him' then how come Ronaldo is the second most fouled player in the premiership (http://home.skysports.com/column.aspx?hlid=434811&lid=Sky_Sports_Columnist_Martin_Tyler&title=Mind+the+gaps+-+Tyler&channel=http://home.skysports.com/column.aspx?hlid=434811&lid=Sky_Sports_Columnist_Martin_Tyler&title=Mind+the+gaps+-+Tyler&channel=)?


Gerrard is the kind of 'bad sportsman' who launches into potential leg breaking tackles and who repeatedly makes hypocritical attacks on 'divers' whilst being one himself.


same old same old bla bla bla .. think we may have to agree to disagree. They are both class players at the end of the day who both have faults (opinions vary on whos are worse).. but still them being in the prem makes it what it is ....the best in the world

Twice the player... wake up. Every top manager in europe has stated that SG is in the top 3 worlds best players...
Yeah just like 'He scores 20+ goals nearly every season' and 'He doesnt cheat and dive' :rolleyes: given your habit of blatantly making things up I'd like to see some evidence to back up this claim.

r u stating that CR will be double as good as SG ... dont think so.

Look at the games he has won Olympiakos, CL final (dragged us back), FA cup final (2 amazing goals) and all the other games where at times he single handedly carried us through games (previous seasons). Can u honestly say CR has as much impact and has done as much for ManU. If your honest and u look at the facts then anyone must see that i am correct with what i am saying.... CR is good but he is no SG
Ronaldo is 5 years younger than Gerrard of course he hasn't achieved as much yet, that doesn't mean he hasn't played better so far this season though. Ronaldo is still young but has bags of talent and will only improve with experience when he's in his prime, as Gerrard should be now, Ronaldo will be much better.

scholes contributes more for the team .. give over SG has dragged LFC through more matches in recent times than i can remember. r u saying SG just runs around and doesnt contribute???

does anyone agree with that statement
Who's contributed more to their team this season? Since comign back from injury Scholes has been playing consistently well and his passing has allowed United to dominate and has done more for the team than all Gerrard's bluster has for Liverpool.

Also I note you have conspicuously failed to name anyone who's played better than Evra or Giggs.

ok he may get better but ManU wont c the best of him cos as soon as the big boys come crawling ..mr C R will be going i assure u. At least SG has said (autobiography) he never wants to leave the club and infact wants to stay to coach and eventually manage the club.... so u have some valid points but ManU r only his training school .. remember that

also ... hasnt giggs been playing in the middle for u lot... he dont have the legs to wing it anymore .. not like before where i agree .. he was the best left winger around ... not anymore ... too many ageing stars .. giggs, scholes, horseface, der saar, the list goes on my friend

ok he may get better but ManU wont c the best of him cos as soon as the big boys come crawling ..mr C R will be going i assure u. At least SG has said (autobiography) he never wants to leave the club and infact wants to stay to coach and eventually manage the club.... so u have some valid points but ManU r only his training school .. remember that

Steve Gerrard, Gerrard!
He kisses the badge on his chest!
Then hands in a transfer request,
Steve Gerrard, Gerrard!

Steve Gerrard, Gerrard!
He kisses the badge on his chest!
Then hands in a transfer request,
Steve Gerrard, Gerrard!

read his book!! he explains that. cant be arsed to go through it again but it does state the mess he was in, confusion and also to hurry liverpool into offering a new contract which they did and he accepted .. also may i add .. there was a clause in it saying if LFC finished outside the top 4 he could leave .. well on signing he asked for it to be removed statinf that he never wanted to leave or be in that position again so yes mate carry on singing

also ... hasnt giggs been playing in the middle for u lot... he dont have the legs to wing it anymore .. not like before where i agree .. he was the best left winger around ... not anymore
Giggs can and does play in a number of positions, I fail to see how this is supposed to be a bad thing, and if his 'legs have gone' why can't you name anyone who's done better so far this season?

... too many ageing stars .. giggs, scholes, horseface, der saar, the list goes on my friend
Better a team with 'ageing stars' who've won everything there is to win and who can and do still consistently turn in world class performances than a one full of mediocre nobodies.

read his book!! he explains that. cant be arsed to go through it again but it does state the mess he was in, confusion and also to hurry liverpool into offering a new contract which they did and he accepted .. also may i add .. there was a clause in it saying if LFC finished outside the top 4 he could leave .. well on signing he asked for it to be removed statinf that he never wanted to leave or be in that position again so yes mate carry on singing


My old personal fav! ;-)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sport/football/543368.stm

Giggs can and does play in a number of positions, I fail to see how this is supposed to be a bad thing, and if his 'legs have gone' why can't you name anyone who's done better so far this season?


Better a team with 'ageing stars' who've won everything there is to win and who can and do still consistently turn in world class performances than a one full of mediocre nobodies.

your current team hasnt won everything there is to win!!!! infact what have u won recently with this squad... LFC have everything but the prem so dont fall back on ancient times mate cos as fergie keeps telling everyone .. its a new era a new team that needs time to b nurtured..... yeah right so that blows your post out of the water lad

Lets not forget the UNPRECENDENTED, AND AS YET UNMATCHED TREBLE.

Lets not forget the UNPRECENDENTED, AND AS YET UNMATCHED TREBLE.
different team ........ ok if we r going back in time .. 18 titles 5 Euro cups and all the rest mate

different team ........ ok if we r going back in time .. 18 titles 5 Euro cups and all the rest mate

Different team!
Treble is unique. You failed to win it. In large part thanks to "skip to my Lou Macari" in 77!

your current team hasnt won everything there is to win!!!! infact what have u won recently with this squad... LFC have everything but the prem so dont fall back on ancient times mate cos as fergie keeps telling everyone .. its a new era a new team that needs time to b nurtured..... yeah right so that blows your post out of the water lad
I wasn't referring to the team though was I but the 'ageing stars' who you were attempting to disparage in your previous post, can't you even read?

btw. still waiting for you to name players who've done better than Evra and Giggs this season.

I wasn't referring to the team though was I but the 'ageing stars' who you were attempting to disparage in your previous post, can't you even read?

btw. still waiting for you to name players who've done better than Evra and Giggs this season.

the left back who is scoring all the time (spectacular goals) forget his name ... he is doing better than evra... and giggs well what position we talking about cos he has been playing in the middle ... so on that position i would say SG has played better Essien Barton etc the list goes on

the left back who is scoring all the time (spectacular goals) forget his name ... he is doing better than evra...
This is the best you can do? Some mystery left back who's name and team you apparently don't know? :loopy:

and giggs well what position we talking about cos he has been playing in the middle ... so on that position i would say SG has played better Essien Barton etc the list goes on
Giggs occasionally plays in the middle when others are injured/suspended/rested but has mainly played on the left which if you read my post (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1860160&postcount=37) is clearly where I put him so you can quit trying to evade the question by talking about central midfielders. What you have to do is name left winger who's played better than Giggs this season or concede the point.

i think the left back who i was suggesting plays for wigan but im not sure. Left wing im struggling with but only because nobody has performed brilliantly including giggs ... and i dont have to concede the point because you say giggs is best when i dont think he is now i just dont think anyone has excelled there this season....... carson tho (liverpool - charlton loan) maybe he can contend for goallie spot. Hes had a fantastic season considering the shambles around him

i think the left back who i was suggesting plays for wigan but im not sure.
If you don't even know who he is or who he plays for it's hardly a convincing argument that you've seen him play enough to judge him better than Evra. The Wigan left back Leighton Baines has scored twice this season so hardly 'scoring all the time' as you claimed and was part of the abysmal Wigan defence who were an absolute shambles against Chelsea last weekend.

Left wing im struggling with but only because nobody has performed brilliantly including giggs ... and i dont have to concede the point because you say giggs is best when i dont think he is now i just dont think anyone has excelled there this season.......
Sheesh, even if there have been no outstanding players there this season, if nobody has played better than Giggs then by definition he's the best.

If you don't even know who he is or who he plays for it's hardly a convincing argument that you've seen him play enough to judge him better than Evra. The Wigan left back Leighton Baines has scored twice this season so hardly 'scoring all the time' as you claimed and was part of the abysmal Wigan defence who were an absolute shambles against Chelsea last weekend.


Sheesh, even if there have been no outstanding players there this season, if nobody has played better than Giggs then by definition he's the best.

why is he the best if nobody has been better cos he plays for man u .. get a grip .... he has played no better than anyone else does that mean they are all the best. cant carry on with this cos mancs just c Man u and thats that ... have a bit of honesty go into it not just all about Man u its boring

why is he the best if nobody has been better cos he plays for man u ..
Giggs is 'the best if nobody has been better' because that's what the word 'best' means:

best

1 Excelling all others in quality (inherently or relative to some standard); outstanding.

he has played no better than anyone else does that mean they are all the best. cant carry on with this cos mancs just c Man u and thats that ... have a bit of honesty go into it not just all about Man u its boring
What nonsense Giggs has had an excellent season and has been an important player in what is clearly the best side in England this season, as for not playing any better than anyone else if that's the case how come he won 'player of the month' earlier this season (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/5328376.stm)? Incidentally an award that's so far this season only been won once by a non-Man U player.

Man u Man u yawn yawn yawn . this is getting boring ... still going on about giggs from about 10am ... cant u change the record

Man u Man u yawn yawn yawn . this is getting boring ...
Why can't you respond to the substance of my posts and back up your wild claims?

still going on about giggs from about 10am ... cant u change the record
Wrong yet again I made my 1st post today at 02:16 PM, can't you even tell the time

Why can't you respond to the substance of my posts and back up your wild claims?


Wrong yet again I made my 1st post today at 02:16 PM, can't you even tell the time

still .. its a long time to be carrying on the same convo

My old personal fav! ;-)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sport/football/543368.stm

Love it mate - I know its old news an all... but still nobody has come close to emulating us :D

Love it mate - I know its old news an all... but still nobody has come close to emulating us :D

we did treble but just diff silvaware (not as good or as hard i admit) anyway just read my sig ... says it all ........ like u just said nobody has come close to emulating it :hihi: