whats peoples views on pubs who serve people with mental problems ?
i was in the wharncliffe in chapletown last week and this bloke i do know his name but will call him mr p was in now i have seen him in beforeand know he is on medication also as his own place paid for by the goverment plus his bills ect(but thats another topic) anyway always try to avoid siting near him as he makes me very angry with the utter bo****cks he sprouts out as well other reasons.
anyway in all fairness to the bar staff they do stop serving him after a point
now on this occasion he started making coments all the time about the poor girl on the bar and shouting out foulmouthed comments he also seemed to think ian brady was a top man so you can grasp how thick this guy was.
now at this point i was very close to punching the guy as he was irratateing me my girl friend and the bar staff.
the reason i did not was 1. i accept he is a nut job.
2.like to think i can rise above it
3.the staff should have thrown him out not left it to customers to deal with him.
now like i said he dose go in reg but if the landlord knows what hes like why serve him its not a great advertisement for new customers when you go in to a pub and have to put up with idiots like that(the none mental ones as well)
in fact the only thing more irrateing were the stupid young couple who thought it was funny to encourage him .
:rant:
and before the pc brigade jump in saying we shold be a more accepting of them let me point out i have worked with people like this and a lot know they should not drink alcohol when on there tablets.
ok rant over.

The wharncliffe or (Slaughtered Lamb) is a very tight nit community . Nuff said :hihi:

I think you'll find that a substantial number of people with mental health problems also drink heavily, complicating the problems they experience.

Did you speak to the landlord about how you felt towards Mr P's comments? If faced wiith complaints from other customers then I'm sure the landlord would have good grounds to take action.

Two issues here - the guy was a boor, irrespective of his mental health status. The Landlord should have stepped in to defend his staff from the depradations of such a person. Also, the Landlord can choose to serve, or not serve, any customer. Perhaps he needs to simply not serve the guy alcohol.

Secondly - I'm as, if not more, horrified by the 'normal' young couple who thought the whole thing amusing. They're probably as big a drawback to the pub as the chap with the attitude.

We all have freedom of choice , no matter what our social status . You have the choice to leave the pub as much as Mr P has the choice to drink there !

...3.the staff should have thrown him out not left it to customers to deal with him. ...

If he was rude, loud and aggressive, then the staff should have dealt with him appropriately, irrespective of any mental health issues he might have. It actually sounds like the typical behaviour of a drunken boor, as JoeP pointed out, which the landlord should be experienced in dealing with.

The couple who were baiting him should have been chucked out too, but that's probably more to do with my own dislike of smug, insensitive behaviour than anything else.

i was very close to punching the guy .


Sounds to me like you have mental health problems as well if your solution to problems is violence.

you cant just refuse to serve a customer just because you think hes a mental case.
it like saying well not serve you a drink because you are ugly or dont like the look of you.

and if the person had been as bad as you say and the landlord had an issues with this guy he would have thrown him out

i accept he is a nut job. :suspect:

let me point out i have worked with people like this and a lot know they should not drink alcohol when on there tablets.


As someone who has also worked with this client group, i would have expected more appropiate language from you....:?

I'd expect people who have a poor understanding of mental health probelms and the effects on people's behaviour to use a term like 'nut job'

well said Mel77:)

makes me very angry with the utter bo****cks he sprouts out

you do indeed!

i have worked with people like this and a lot know they should not drink alcohol when on there tablets.


But that's their business and no-one elses. A bar cannot refuse to serve someone because they have mental health problems and 'shouldn't drink on their medication'. I bet another 5 or 6 people (if not more) people in that pub have mental health issues and are on medication, you just can't tell.

The problem is his behaviour. If he is a constant problem then it is up to the landlord to bar him, no-one else. Unless he is committing a crime or directly targeting individual customers it isn't up to anyone else to get involved.

i have worked

I'm so glad you used the past tense, maybe you wern't the right person for this type of work!! :hihi:

Empathy, patience, uderstanding, tolerance, unbiased viewpoint....are often desired when working with vulnreable members of society! ;)

(sorry couldn't help meyself!! :hihi: :rolleyes: ) (slap my wrists!:nono: )

It is difficult.
I used to work with someone with learning difficulties. He worked full time (as a gopher) and he was paid the same wage as the rest of the staff. However he lived in sheltered housing and as he had very few real friends or interests, had nothing to spend his money on except his lunches and for going to the pub. He'd always go the same one, just down the road from work. Unfortunately sometimes this was BEFORE he'd come to work and he'd roll in steaming drunk. He'd also get taken advantage of by the cronies in the pub to buy drinks. We tried to tell his social workers but, at the end of the day, he spent his money on what he wanted. In the end, the drinking got so bad, he had to leave.
He eventually died of drinking-related liver problems in his late thirties rather than anything linked to his varied illnesses. :(

I'm so glad you used the past tense, maybe you wern't the right person for this type of work!! :hihi:

Empathy, patience, uderstanding, tolerance, unbiased viewpoint....are often desired when working with vulnreable members of society! ;)

(sorry couldn't help meyself!! :hihi: :rolleyes: ) (slap my wrists!:nono: )

2 things:

You can't spell for toffee, but you do have a very valid point which I've been saying constantly over the past 7 years since I found out in October 1999 that I've had aspergers syndrome my whole life... I've been trying for years to get a job, but as soon as I tell a potential employer I have any form of disability they all but bin my application and slam the door in my face! :rant:

It is difficult.
I used to work with someone with learning difficulties. He worked full time (as a gopher) and he was paid the same wage as the rest of the staff. However he lived in sheltered housing and as he had very few real friends or interests, had nothing to spend his money on except his lunches and for going to the pub. He'd always go the same one, just down the road from work. Unfortunately sometimes this was BEFORE he'd come to work and he'd roll in steaming drunk. He'd also get taken advantage of by the cronies in the pub to buy drinks. We tried to tell his social workers but, at the end of the day, he spent his money on what he wanted. In the end, the drinking got so bad, he had to leave.
He eventually died of drinking-related liver problems in his late thirties rather than anything linked to his varied illnesses. :(

Its a fine line between helping someone that you can see is running down the wrong path,and stopping him, against his will,for his own good? You are right when you say it is difficult. As mel77 said,this is why,when working with people who have mental health problems,you need to remain non judgemental and maintain a sensitive approach.
to get back to the OP-if bad language,and lewd anti-social behaviour is a reason to not serve someone,then god help most pubs on a fri/sat night in town-there sure would be a lot of empty bars about!

We all have freedom of choice , no matter what our social status . You have the choice to leave the pub as much as Mr P has the choice to drink there !
ok then, sorry to say this, but can I come to your place of work and hurl abuse at you?
I’m guessing you wound not want that, so why should the staff of the pub have to take it!?

while a student I worked in a pub, and on countless times I have had to rely on the support of the customers in order to deal with an abusive customer, and for that i thank everyone of them. and not all of them where regulars.

ok then, sorry to say this, but can I come to your place of work and hurl abuse at you?
I’m guessing you wound not want that, so why should the staff of the pub have to take it!?

while a student I worked in a pub, and on countless times I have had to rely on the support of the customers in order to deal with an abusive customer, and for that i thank everyone of them. and not all of them where regulars.

You are right of course-noone should have to put up with abuse at work.Im guessing tho that not all the abusers were mentally ill?

ok then, sorry to say this, but can I come to your place of work and hurl abuse at you?
I’m guessing you wound not want that, so why should the staff of the pub have to take it!?

while a student I worked in a pub, and on countless times I have had to rely on the support of the customers in order to deal with an abusive customer, and for that i thank everyone of them. and not all of them where regulars.
i was in no way condoning any abuse to anyone . if Mr P was causing upset to the staff then he should /would have been dealt with by the manager of the pub . i was stating that people have the right to enter any public building and use the facility and not be stopped because of any personal issues.

i was in no way condoning any abuse to anyone . if Mr P was causing upset to the staff then he should /would have been dealt with by the manager of the pub . i was stating that people have the right to enter any public building and use the facility and not be stopped because of any personal issues.

thank you for clarifying that, I was not meaning to have a go at you, as I do believe that people should be able to do as they wish - in the 'perfect world'.
the management should have been more proactive to stop this person becoming abusive (maybe not serving him or barring him), and the staff should have been warned not to serve the man in question The gentleman’s 'issues' affected the others around him, in a negative way, no-matter how much freedom you have, it should never come at the expense of someone else.

as a side note, the managment can't be around in the public area at all times, landlords / managers have huge amounts of other work to do, but there is no excuse for leaving 'vunerable' staff on their own.
i had to step into countless occations when people abused the staff, people feel that shouting at a 6'3" 'large' bloke isnt a good idea, especially after shouting at a 16yo 5" lass - they dont get the same scared face. most of them are just bullies trying to get some free food and drink.

i didn't feel you was having a go at me Sedge .:)

whats peoples views on pubs who serve people with mental problems ?
i was in the wharncliffe in chapletown last week and this bloke i do know his name but will call him mr p was in now i have seen him in beforeand know he is on medication also as his own place paid for by the goverment plus his bills ect(but thats another topic) anyway always try to avoid siting near him as he makes me very angry with the utter bo****cks he sprouts out as well other reasons.
anyway in all fairness to the bar staff they do stop serving him after a point
now on this occasion he started making coments all the time about the poor girl on the bar and shouting out foulmouthed comments he also seemed to think ian brady was a top man so you can grasp how thick this guy was.
now at this point i was very close to punching the guy as he was irratateing me my girl friend and the bar staff.
the reason i did not was 1. i accept he is a nut job.
2.like to think i can rise above it
3.the staff should have thrown him out not left it to customers to deal with him.
now like i said he dose go in reg but if the landlord knows what hes like why serve him its not a great advertisement for new customers when you go in to a pub and have to put up with idiots like that(the none mental ones as well)
in fact the only thing more irrateing were the stupid young couple who thought it was funny to encourage him .
:rant:
and before the pc brigade jump in saying we shold be a more accepting of them let me point out i have worked with people like this and a lot know they should not drink alcohol when on there tablets.
ok rant over.
The guy sounds like a N** H**D TO ME ,Not someone with Mental Problems

i was in no way condoning any abuse to anyone . if Mr P was causing upset to the staff then he should /would have been dealt with by the manager of the pub . i was stating that people have the right to enter any public building and use the facility and not be stopped because of any personal issues.


people also have a right to either work or just have a drink in a pub without feeling threatened. whose right is more important. The people just getting on with their job and people having a night out or the guy ruining it for everyone??

And what exactly qualifies you to make that statement keepgreen?

it seems the man was annoying, mandy25 but it doesn't say anyone was 'threatened'. i feel that our society does not understand or tolerate people with 'special needs'. whatever those needs may be .

it seems the man was annoying, mandy25 but it doesn't say anyone was 'threatened'. i feel that our society does not understand or tolerate people with 'special needs'. whatever those needs may be .

If a drunk person with mental problems was ""shouting out foulmouthed comments" and praising Ian Brady I think I might feel a little threatened

If a drunk person with mental problems was ""shouting out foulmouthed comments" and praising Ian Brady I think I might feel a little threatened
tbh these days most people feel threatened with a couple of kids standing ona street corner

i suppose thats where we are different :)

Sounds to me like you have mental health problems as well if your solution to problems is violence.
i suggest you read my post again theres a big diffrence between feeling like doing something and stoping your self.
mayby your the mental one after all.

you cant just refuse to serve a customer just because you think hes a mental case.
it like saying well not serve you a drink because you are ugly or dont like the look of you.
actully a member of bar staff can refuse to serve anyone with out having to give a reason.

:suspect:



As someone who has also worked with this client group, i would have expected more appropiate language from you....:?

I'd expect people who have a poor understanding of mental health probelms and the effects on people's behaviour to use a term like 'nut job'
well like some one said earlier freedom of speech and to be honest any one who thinks child killers are cool as this guy did deserves more than just to be called a nut job or do you agree with him ?

2 things:

You can't spell for toffee, but you do have a very valid point which I've been saying constantly over the past 7 years since I found out in October 1999 that I've had aspergers syndrome my whole life... I've been trying for years to get a job, but as soon as I tell a potential employer I have any form of disability they all but bin my application and slam the door in my face! :rant:
rich you are unable to get a job not because of your aspergers syndrome but because of your attitude.i have met you and do know you before you ask.
and my spelling might be crap but hey at least i can get a job(low blow indeed)

actully a member of bar staff can refuse to serve anyone with out having to give a reason.

i can second that, its the right of the member of staff not to serve anyone, and if challedged they will be thrown out. The staff represent the landlord / landlady who are given this right by law.
BUT the staff will not refuse for no reason, there will be something which has trigered that responce - they would rather not have a confrontation with someone.

it seems the man was annoying, mandy25 but it doesn't say anyone was 'threatened'. i feel that our society does not understand or tolerate people with 'special needs'. whatever those needs may be .
your right we dont tolerate people like this do we thats why in the past 10 years there as been so many cases were people have been atacked or even killed by people who were allowed out in the community when they should not have been.

Heavy drinking = mental health problems
Mental health problems = More heavy drinking! :D

More heavy drinking = Proper Branston tackle!

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well like some one said earlier freedom of speech and to be honest any one who thinks child killers are cool as this guy did deserves more than just to be called a nut job or do you agree with him ?

I actually agree with your post naughtyelf, people no matter what 'disability' don't have the right to abuse other people.

It would just have been nicer to hear you refer to his 'problems' in a more professional manner that's all.

thinks child killers are cool, or do you agree with him?

I have worked and work with abused children and those who abuse so have had to hold my 'professional tongue' on many many occasions, cause i don't agree with him, who would?! :confused:

2 things:

You can't spell for toffee, but you do have a very valid point which I've been saying constantly over the past 7 years since I found out in October 1999 that I've had aspergers syndrome my whole life... I've been trying for years to get a job, but as soon as I tell a potential employer I have any form of disability they all but bin my application and slam the door in my face! :rant:

I am 18 and got diagnosed with aspergers at 16. I have noticed I got rejected for lots of jobs where i stated this on my application form, then when i applied for the same jobs without disclosing my disability i was offered interviews and offered jobs easily. It's a shame because i think aspergers sydrome has so many positive aspects which employers can benefit from i.e. logical thinking and honesty. It's not so much a disability but a different way of thinking. The stigma and discrimination is so unfair.

you cant just refuse to serve a customer just because you think hes a mental case.
it like saying well not serve you a drink because you are ugly or dont like the look of you.

Not really, being ugly doesnt cause publilc disturbances and make people feel uncomfortable (well not much).

whats peoples views on pubs who serve people with mental problems ?
and before the pc brigade jump in saying we shold be a more accepting of them let me point out i have worked with people like this and a lot know they should not drink alcohol when on there tablets.
ok rant over.

I sincerely hope you are also concerned for the wealthfare of Mr P if you feel he may be damaging his body by mixing medication and alcohol. Pubs shouldn't serve anyone large amounts of alcohol on a regular basis at high risk of damaging their body by doing so e.g. alcoholics. Most antidepressants, mood stablisers and antipyscotics are linked to liver/ kidney damage which can be increased by alcohol consumption. However, if he is drinking in moderation and simply socailising in the pub this could be a really positive step for this man who might otherwise be isolated from others, he shouldn't be denied the opportunity to recover. His mental health in terms of irritating others is possibly not otherwise relevant in this context. If you feel this man is behaving innapropriately his illness is a potential explaination but not an excuse. Most people with mental health problems are harmless to others and make an effort to function adequately within society.

let me point out i have worked with people like this and a lot know they should not drink alcohol when on there tablets.
ok rant over.

Sorry, I've not read the rest of the thread yet, but I feel I should point out that, in the vast majority of cases, it is up to the individuals concerned whether or not they take their meds, and whether or not they follow the instructions on the packet ... as with the rest of the population - I mean, how many of us have never had alcohol when on tablets for something or another? How many of us have always done exactly as we are told, to the letter?! 'These people' are exactly that - people. They get to make choices, just like the rest of us.

And it may be helpful to point out that 10% of the population suffers from depression at any one time (how many of your friends/work colleagues?! - just coz you mightn't know about it, doesn't mean that they too are not getting some form of help), never mind the sizable numbers of people with other varied mental health problems ... to restrict the rights of all 'these people' would be (a)inhumane and (b)simply ridiculous and impractical.

But as I've said, I've not yet got round to reading the rest of the thread, so sorry it this doesn't seem relevant to whatever is being discussed on page 3!

you could argue that a alcoholic is mentally hill

? what makes someone become an alcohohlic ?

Can i just say that although Mr P maybe shouldn't've have been drinking and maybe the landlord should've stepped in, please don't called people with mental health problems 'nut jobs'.:rant: Mental health (as you should know if you've worked with them) can cover a whole range of people and not ALL are violent or verbally abusive. There are some sweet vulnerable adults out there and they can do with out being sterotyped. Be sensitive.

As far as the drinking goes. Shouldn't ANYBODY on medication stay away from alcohol and it is fair to say that anyone of us can become abusive when we've had a drink. Is this acceptable because we have a fully functioning brain? I don't think so!

I also didn't read all the threads before reponding so i'd like to say @well said' to purple_frog! I agree with what you say!

actully a member of bar staff can refuse to serve anyone with out having to give a reason.
Quite correct - I have done it twice so far this week.

Quite correct - I have done it twice so far this week.

Can you say why?

I've seen the effect of booze on someone tanked up on antidepressants and it wasn't pretty. People on pills should be very careful with their alcohol consumption.2 things:

You can't spell for toffee, but you do have a very valid point which I've been saying constantly over the past 7 years since I found out in October 1999 that I've had aspergers syndrome my whole life... I've been trying for years to get a job, but as soon as I tell a potential employer I have any form of disability they all but bin my application and slam the door in my face! :rant:Have you tried leaving "I have Asperger's" off application forms? It's not a disability if you don't let it get the better of you!

Can you say why?

They were both obviously very drunk, and its illegal to serve them in that state (beleive it or not)

Didnt give them the reason though as im not required to.

I wasnt as polite then as I am now though :D

whats peoples views on pubs who serve people with mental problems ?
i was in the wharncliffe in chapletown last week and this bloke i do know his name but will call him mr p was in now i have seen him in beforeand know he is on medication also as his own place paid for by the goverment plus his bills ect(but thats another topic) anyway always try to avoid siting near him as he makes me very angry with the utter bo****cks he sprouts out as well other reasons.
anyway in all fairness to the bar staff they do stop serving him after a point
now on this occasion he started making coments all the time about the poor girl on the bar and shouting out foulmouthed comments he also seemed to think ian brady was a top man so you can grasp how thick this guy was.
now at this point i was very close to punching the guy as he was irratateing me my girl friend and the bar staff.
the reason i did not was 1. i accept he is a nut job.
2.like to think i can rise above it
3.the staff should have thrown him out not left it to customers to deal with him.
now like i said he dose go in reg but if the landlord knows what hes like why serve him its not a great advertisement for new customers when you go in to a pub and have to put up with idiots like that(the none mental ones as well)
in fact the only thing more irrateing were the stupid young couple who thought it was funny to encourage him .
:rant:
and before the pc brigade jump in saying we shold be a more accepting of them let me point out i have worked with people like this and a lot know they should not drink alcohol when on there tablets.
ok rant over.

Did you think about asking him to be quiet adn informing him that you came in for a quiet drink with the missus?

some of the comments i have read on here about people with mental health problems
that enjoy a drink want to realise mental health same as physical health problems could strike anyone at any time if the man was abusive it may not have had anything to do whith his mental health problem he may be just abusive due to the alcohol he had drunk
like some so called "normal" people do but its ok for the landlord to deal with them then its just called high spirits. if and i hope i never do suffer a mental health problem i hope people are a bit more understanding about my leasure needs or should i be banned from any type of social interactment?