I know other places are dearer than sheffield for savers but its a total discrace how quickly the all day savers have shot up on first buses.
I certainly wont be paying 4 pound for a saver id rather walk to town and then catch the bus home, surely first are going to lose out on some right revenue, this sort of thing is forcing people into cars as its cheaper and more independent.
I recently went to leeds and there savers are just about half the price of ours, so why does a city which is of simliar size only 30 miles away run by the same company have to pay such extortianate prices?:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

i agree....is it to fund the inspectors who check on people who try to avoid paying

It does take six inspectors to check a ticket, as I have seen a few mornings on the 52 from Woodhouse. Where are the bus inspectors when some annoying kid is playing their mp3 phone at full belt? They use their own rules to ensure profits are maintained but do not enforce their own rules for passenger comfort. See the “conditions of carriage 4.2(m)".
first putting themselves first, passengers nowhere except exploted!

i think they generally do a good job...ive been on a bus when they have stopped it on attercliffe road and they have kicked 2 men off for having forged tickets...the police were there too

I was just wondering if Leeds is geographically smaller in size than Sheffield, because the First Monthly Pass in Leeds is about £42 as compared to £54 in Sheffield.

Also Leeds also has the concept of zones (Green Zone = 2 mile radius from City Centre) for which weekly passes are cheaper.

I wonder why we don't have them here :huh:

I am amazed at the cost of the buses - it's OK to walk if you live anywhere near where you work (I can walk it in 25 mins) but no good for people who have to cross the city. Also not great if you have shopping and it is peeing it down like I did tonight.

Does anyone think there will be a backlash - and First will have to stop robbing us blind for buses that (when they aren't driving past not stopping) are full and only have standing room.

Don't use First then if you have a choice.... There are many areas served by one of either Stagecoach, TM Travel or Northern Rail.

i have given up using First now, they can stick thier buses up thier a***s, i now use Stagecoach, cheaper and nicer drivers!

First can **** off
Stagecoach are great.

i agree....is it to fund the inspectors who check on people who try to avoid paying
do we still have them, i havent seen one in yrs. got bus first time in wks and nearly fell over when driver said £4, thank god im learning to drive

Don't use First then if you have a choice.... There are many areas served by one of either Stagecoach, TM Travel or Northern Rail.

I don't know of any other buses on my route - but if there were I agree with Sedge - First could stick their buses up their **** - if anyone knows if there are other companies here please enlighten me!

i have given up using First now, they can stick thier buses up thier a***s, i now use Stagecoach, cheaper and nicer drivers!

First can **** off
Stagecoach are great.
yep i,ll gladley walk half a mile to newfield green to catch the stagecoach bus, and i am also going to try my best not to use first any more wherever possible.

My main issue is I'm pregnant with twins and don't drive. All the buses within walking distance are the ones with steps and no buggy space. I wish they'd spend money on making it easier for people in my situation.

I dread to think of getting two babies, twin buggy and all the stuff on a bus, but it's going to be that, stay home or lots of walking!

ickle i fell for you having a baby and toddler i have a double buggy and as they gain weight its like pussing a tank, thats why im learning to drive as its impossable to put down and carry 2 babys, and very few will help these days

I'm going to learn to dive but going to wait til after they've arrived as I'm getting married so changing my name and don't want the stress at the mo between two jobs, drs etc.

It just really annoys me that they want less people to drive but what choice do some have?!?!
I'm almost tempted to write to the bus companies and ask them for a solution. I'm guessing I'll get something back about 'our drivers are available to help' but I can't see it happening esp if they're in a hurry.

Any manners have gone. I always used to stand up and give my seat to someone who needed it more than me but I've not had one offer yet and I'm apparently looking nearly ready to pop! It's awkward trying not to fall over as the driver forgets they need to stop just as the bus stop nears. And having to shove my belly into someones face as another passanger tries to push past to get off is not nice!

Sorry, rant over. (There's just some things my fella (who drives) doesn't understand)

Also not great if you have shopping and it is peeing it down like I did tonight.


:hihi: :hihi:

i think they generally do a good job...ive been on a bus when they have stopped it on attercliffe road and they have kicked 2 men off for having forged tickets...the police were there too

How shamefull would that be, not getting thrown off, but actually going to the trouble to forge a bus ticket.

in 9yrs of been a mummy i've only had 1 driver offer help and he got off bus to carry pram on, great bloke but once in 9yrs:( like you say they try and force car drivers back to public transport yet do nothing for people who need buses

sheffield first are basiclly robbing us blind simple as.

yep i,ll gladley walk half a mile to newfield green to catch the stagecoach bus, and i am also going to try my best not to use first any more wherever possible.

What number and where is the stagecoach bus? Is it anywhere on Abbeydale Road? I live near Chippinghouse Road. I'd love never to get a first bus again. AND I got chucked off it in the rain with bags of shopping last night because I paid £1.10 from the bottom of London Road, thinking it was correct fare - got chucked off by driver as it was £1.60. What a nasty git. I paid £1.10 thinking it couldn't be £1.60 as it is that much from town - and £1.60!!! - I ask you!

As a matter of interest - did anybody go to the protest in town on saturday?

I went onto the first website to compare the costs of the First Monthly tickets, here's what i found:

Sheffield - £52
Leeds - £45
Manchester - £42
Southend - £36
Leicester - £32.50
York - £40
Northampton 4*Firstweek - £44

How can they justify this price in Sheffield? They put it down to the new buses they have ordered but most of them are going to Doncaster anyway! Both Leeds and York have the FTR, i thought they were trialling this in Sheffield?

Any what i'm trying to say is that there's far more investment in cities where the prices are less, why should we subsidise this when we have almost all buses here are one floor buses, where we have to stand up because they are full and buses that are rejects from London!

It seems that First have targetted South Yorkshire to squeeze ever since they gained a near monopoly in the mid 90s. I beliege that, as well as Sheffielders paying most in fares, our drivers are paid least. The council threatened them with action unless they sorted themselvrs out by September last year but then didn't take any. The big businesses have their ways of coming out on top.

What number and where is the stagecoach bus? Is it anywhere on Abbeydale Road? I live near Chippinghouse Road. I'd love never to get a first bus again. AND I got chucked off it in the rain with bags of shopping last night because I paid £1.10 from the bottom of London Road, thinking it was correct fare - got chucked off by driver as it was £1.60. What a nasty git. I paid £1.10 thinking it couldn't be £1.60 as it is that much from town - and £1.60!!! - I ask you!
sorry it doesnt go near abydale road.

I didn't know there was a protest on and I was away or I would've gone. :-(

Just to wind you up even more, Leeds City Council also fund a free bus that runs every 10 minutes all round the city centre.

I recently went to leeds and there savers are just about half the price of ours, so why does a city which is of simliar size only 30 miles away run by the same company have to pay such extortianate prices?:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

My guess would be that Leeds has a more competetive bus market and they can't get away with such high prices.

That could be true as Leeds does have a train service from some suburbs and also from North Leeds 'villages and towns'. It is true that First has got a pretty strong monopoly here. I don't know how it works - but the point is - it doesn't. There are bus rants on this forum all the time and it really is bloody depressing chucking pounds and pounds away just to get to work. Invariably standing. If (I shouldn't go on but I will) the flamin bus even stops in the first place :rant: :rant: :rant: I am like a broken record I know but it really IS enough to drive a person mad.

The question is why don't Stagecoach compete more agressively here. the only do a few routes.

The question is why don't Stagecoach compete more agressively here. the only do a few routes.

They have few buses..

Isn't it because they have to be granted routes by some higher power? Some kind of 'regulation'. I have wondered that - cos none of their buses go up Abbeydale Road, on to Woodseats and then beyond where loads of people live .... I don't geddit :confused:

Isn't it because they have to be granted routes by some higher power? Some kind of 'regulation'. I have wondered that - cos none of their buses go up Abbeydale Road, on to Woodseats and then beyond where loads of people live .... I don't geddit :confused:

No not in Sheffield (yet). It's true that some people would like this sort of system but the problem with it is that it will result ni First having a total monopoly city wide which would mean higher fares and less buses.

So is it just because Stagecoach haven't got enough buses? We should become Pirates and take control of Firsts buses (only the good ones though) and then run them for free (sigh - silly pipe dream but I remember when buses were 2p everywhere).

I was in Glasgow recently and couldn't believe the difference in price, and Glasgow is a much bigger city!

First Day in Greater Glasgow = £2.85 before 9:30am, £2.55 after 9:30am
SY = £4.00

First Week in Greater Glasgow = £12.50
Sheffield = £15
SY = £16

First Month - they have a different system for this, where it is split into zones, but one for all zones covering Greater Glasgow is £41.50
Sheffield = £54
SY = £58

First are taking the p***

Just got on the bus today for the first time in a week - jeeesus...!

Stagecoach on the way down - £1.70 from Hallamshire road to town...

(QUITE expensive...but they undercut First by 10p so I got on that...)

Coming back - from opposite the Cavendish - £1.90!!! First have put the prices up!!!! :mad:

IF It hadn't been [raining] and windy I would have got off and said "just go away"...I SHOULD have walked up to broomhill and got it there for cheaper!!!

It costs me £1.30 to get to Nether Green from the Hallamshire road/Crimicar lane stop...it'll be £1.40 now !!!(starts chanting and deliberately destroying everything in his bedroom at the thought of having to get THOSE busses...!) :mad:

theres a thread on that somewhere matey

Isn't it because they have to be granted routes by some higher power? Some kind of 'regulation'. I have wondered that - cos none of their buses go up Abbeydale Road, on to Woodseats and then beyond where loads of people live .... I don't geddit :confused:

Stagecoach routes 25/43/44/253/727 go to Woodseats, but they all go via Chesterfield Road rather than Abbeydale Road.

On Abbeydale Road the only buses not run by First are operated by TM Travel - routes 213 and 293.

Download timetables below

http://www.travelsouthyorkshire.com/timetables/sheffield/181+213+214+215.htm

http://www.travelsouthyorkshire.com/timetables/sheffield/43+44+89+285+293.htm

Just got on the bus today for the first time in a week - jeeesus...!

Stagecoach on the way down - £1.70 from Hallamshire road to town...

(QUITE expensive...but they undercut First by 10p so I got on that...)

Coming back - from opposite the Cavendish - £1.90!!! First have put the prices up!!!! :mad:

IF It hadn't been [raining] and windy I would have got off and said "just go away"...I SHOULD have walked up to broomhill and got it there for cheaper!!!

It costs me £1.30 to get to Nether Green from the Hallamshire road/Crimicar lane stop...it'll be £1.40 now !!!(starts chanting and deliberately destroying everything in his bedroom at the thought of having to get THOSE busses...!) :mad:

Get the Stagecoach then - 120 runs every 10 minutes during the day and every 15 mins in the evening, right up to midnight.

I always use stagecoach/Yorkshire terrier their allday savers are 2.70 and you can use them on the tram too!

We pay far too much in comparison to the state of public transport - its too expensive - I've started taking the car to work and paying for parking as it works out almost the same as public transport - and I thought the government wantedcars off the road!!

havent paid to catch a first for just over a month now, if you do buy a day saver stick it to a bus stop near when you get off (use chewing gum/blu tak) that is if you cant find someone to give it away too. (after youve made your journeys neway)
soon the only people catching first will be the people who rely on the service to get to work and pensioners.

havent paid to catch a first for just over a month now, if you do buy a day saver stick it to a bus stop near when you get off (use chewing gum/blu tak) that is if you cant find someone to give it away too. (after youve made your journeys neway)
soon the only people catching first will be the people who rely on the service to get to work and pensioners.
well said although that might be one of the reasons why they have to charge us such shocking prices cause others are getting away with paying nothing,
the amount of peeps i know who have got free bus passes on blags from the social and through the job centre and agencies and wat have ya is unreal.

The bus fares are subject to oil rises and falls, lets not forget.

When the price of fuel goes up = the bus fares go up

When the price of fuel goes down = the bus fares go up

HOw does that work?

The bus fares are subject to oil rises and falls, lets not forget.

When the price of fuel goes up = the bus fares go up

When the price of fuel goes down = the bus fares go up

HOw does that work?
too right fuel prices have been fairly stable for last few months

well said although that might be one of the reasons why they have to charge us such shocking prices cause others are getting away with paying nothing,
the amount of peeps i know who have got free bus passes on blags from the social and through the job centre and agencies and wat have ya is unreal.
i know if you are disabled or a pensioner you can get on for free, i'm subject to the same fares as everyone else but will only catch a first if someone gives me a day saver. The worrying thing is though, that when passenger numbers drop, they will have to put fares up again

i know if you are disabled or a pensioner you can get on for free, i'm subject to the same fares as everyone else but will only catch a first if someone gives me a day saver. The worrying thing is though, that when passenger numbers drop, they will have to put fares up again
What makes me laugh is pensioners and the disabled are on a lot more money than the normal minimum wage working fella these days when u consider the benifits they get,7 quid a week rent aint bad when ur on 200 quid a week and can go to town for free to spend ur loot.

What makes me laugh is pensioners and the disabled are on a lot more money than the normal minimum wage working fella these days when u consider the benifits they get,7 pound quid a week rent aint bad when ur on 200 quid a week and can go to town for free to spend ur loot.
whats worse is im gonna be dead before im of pensionable age and ive paid extra tax through cigarettes and beer. i would spend even more on petrol but unfortuanately smoking is an expensive habbit (and beer for that matter)

They are trying to encourage people to use public transport but yet, it is more expensive to travel by bus. I started getting the bus to work in Sheffield from Rotherham, to avoid using my car so much, but it is actually cheaper for me to go in the car, so that is what I do now. When they reduce their prices to make it cheaper to get the bus, I will happily use the bus.

I was just wondering if Leeds is geographically smaller in size than Sheffield, because the First Monthly Pass in Leeds is about £42 as compared to £54 in Sheffield.

Also Leeds also has the concept of zones (Green Zone = 2 mile radius from City Centre) for which weekly passes are cheaper.

I wonder why we don't have them here :huh:


Sheffield has bigger outskirts so is bigger than Leeds, however Leeds city centre is bigger than Sheffield

My guess would be that Leeds has a more competetive bus market and they can't get away with such high prices.

I've been to Leeds a few times and have never seen another bus company other than First.

They are trying to encourage people to use public transport but yet, it is more expensive to travel by bus. I started getting the bus to work in Sheffield from Rotherham, to avoid using my car so much, but it is actually cheaper for me to go in the car, so that is what I do now. When they reduce their prices to make it cheaper to get the bus, I will happily use the bus.
My thoughts exactley!!!!!!!!!

in 9yrs of been a mummy i've only had 1 driver offer help and he got off bus to carry pram on, great bloke but once in 9yrs:( like you say they try and force car drivers back to public transport yet do nothing for people who need buses

if a driver helps you though and drops something or helps an elderly person and they fall over who is to blame?
q. the driver this is why they dont help you and why should he help you because he is after all just a bus driver if you need help getting on the bus for medical reasons shouldnt you be ringing the mobility bus company?

Iv'e had a gutfull of the increases. I accept that increases in prices happen but not at this rate. My monthly pass is 58 quid or 20 squid a week. Additionally, what really hacks me off is that to take my son into sheffield it costs 1.10 each way. Or if I want to go to Crystal Peaks from Killamarsh it costs me 80p one way. I could use the next stop which is in sheffield which is only a 5 minute walk but it's a dangerous walk over a narrow bridge and crossing at a blind corner twice which with a 8 yr old isn't worth the risk.

What is galling is that the service hasn't changed or improved in the past four years. The bus I get is still the old style cold in winter hot in summer bus which often is late or dosen't turn up.

The drivers don't see the increase in their paypacket - only the greedy company.

Before anyone says it - there are no other services running from my area so I have no choice and I don't feel safe walking to halfway. I don't drive so would take some time and money to get a liscence and car and prefer using public transport as I don't agree with adding to the road with another car.

I just want a decent service at a decent price.

I've been using the tram for the past 18 months, because it's £20 a month cheaper than First. I occassionally get a Travel Adda on First bus when I have to go somewhere Stagecoach don't go. Got one the other day and despite an increase to this ticket not even being mentioned in their press release, it has gone up by 20%. Stagecoach do a similar ticket for First weekly and monthly ticket holders, but theirs is only £1 compared to First's £1.20.

I asked the driver if his pay had gone up 20% too - he laughed, but you could see he wasn't impressed either.

i have given up using First now, they can stick thier buses up thier a***s, i now use Stagecoach, cheaper and nicer drivers!

First can **** off
Stagecoach are great.

lots of their drivers were taught by first & used to work for first, maybe they saw the light,shame stagecoach don't run on sundays tho',first do, or generally speaking,after 7 p.m. ,first do,

but they will be doing soon.

you've seen star wars , gat ready for bus wars, i can remember the last time two bus companies were vying for business in sheffield ,it caused utter chaos in the city centre especially as they constantly tried to out do each other. at times standing at a bus stop on high street was like being an extra on a carry on film. on the buses wasn't in it.:hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

lots of their drivers were taught by first & used to work for first, maybe they saw the light,shame stagecoach don't run on sundays tho',first do, or generally speaking,after 7 p.m. ,first do,

but they will be doing soon.

you've seen star wars , gat ready for bus wars, i can remember the last time two bus companies were vying for business in sheffield ,it caused utter chaos in the city centre especially as they constantly tried to out do each other. at times standing at a bus stop on high street was like being an extra on a carry on film. on the buses wasn't in it.:hihi: :hihi: :hihi:
Most of the Stagecoach drivers that went from first are the ones that were sacked for being on the take,and those that were too lazy to work shifts

I was in Glasgow recently and couldn't believe the difference in price, and Glasgow is a much bigger city!

First Day in Greater Glasgow = £2.85 before 9:30am, £2.55 after 9:30am
SY = £4.00

First Week in Greater Glasgow = £12.50
Sheffield = £15
SY = £16

First Month - they have a different system for this, where it is split into zones, but one for all zones covering Greater Glasgow is £41.50
Sheffield = £54
SY = £58

First are taking the p***

But you are no longer in Glasgow,,,this is sheffield

do we still have them, i havent seen one in yrs. got bus first time in wks and nearly fell over when driver said £4, thank god im learning to drive

Learning to drive???,yeah like that will work out cheaper,,,dream on:loopy:

sheffield first are basiclly robbing us blind simple as.

Dont use them,dont get robbed then fall off the band wagon,,,simple

What makes me laugh is pensioners and the disabled are on a lot more money than the normal minimum wage working fella these days when u consider the benifits they get,7 quid a week rent aint bad when ur on 200 quid a week and can go to town for free to spend ur loot.
I agree,the unemployed should not be allowed to use public transport,mobility pass holders should pay,after all a lot of them work so why should they get it free,,,,spongers

I agree,the unemployed should not be allowed to use public transport,mobility pass holders should pay,after all a lot of them work so why should they get it free,,,,spongers

don't want to sound harsh but if mobility pass holders are fit enough to go to work then surely they should pay the full bus fare ,same as any other working person who travels by bus

Most of the Stagecoach drivers that went from first are the ones that were sacked for being on the take,and those that were too lazy to work shifts

i'd be careful that sounds looks kinda libelous to me or at best a very huge generalisation

HOw does that work?

It's called profiteering:)

can't understand folk moaning about 70p,or £1.10,or even £4.00 bus fares, if you don't like paying these fares walk,or get a taxi,but then if you go by taxi (black cabs at least) it'll cost you over £2.80 before he's even set off !!!!!!!
recently got a black cab from city to stocksbridge , cost just short of £17.00 pounds, equvalent ride by bus woul;d have cost £2.50 no comparrison really.

reason for getting a cab ? too far to walk, p*^^ing down with rain and taxi was closer than bus stop.

can't understand folk moaning about 70p,or £1.10,or even £4.00 bus fares, if you don't like paying these fares walk,or get a taxi,but then if you go by taxi (black cabs at least) it'll cost you over £2.80 before he's even set off !!!!!!!
recently got a black cab from city to stocksbridge , cost just short of £17.00 pounds, equvalent ride by bus woul;d have cost £2.50 no comparrison really.

reason for getting a cab ? too far to walk, p*^^ing down with rain and taxi was closer than bus stop.

One reason you neglected to mention was the fact that you could afford £17 for the cab, which many posting here can't.

Since you can't understand folk moaning about bus fares, perhaps it would help if you reflect that you've just yourself had a moan about people moaning :)

Myself though, I wouldn't call trying to address the current abysmal bus service issues 'moaning'- I'd say it was a constructive attempt to try and rectify the situation; after all it is 'public'transport and should therefore reflect the wishes of the public- if they feedback that the service is over-priced then fair enough.

IMO £4 for a day saver is too much and simply encourages people to not use the buses, which,in most cases, means they're more likely to be running a car and further overloading the road system.

It's not just the buses though, the tram prices are going up all the time as well. I live near a tram stop and it costs me £1.70 to get into town (or I could get a daysaver for around £1.50).

My wife and I are going into town today with our baby. Do we:
a) pay £6 on tram tickets (at least the tram's not bad for getting a pram on), or
b) drive into town and pay £1.50 for 2 hours car parking?

hmmm....

must admit tho' have found it cheaper to go by car,
a switcha ticket on "first" is now £2.50 x 2 + £5.00
£5.00 x 5 = £25.00 and if you take the family, a group saver is £7.00 pounds, a week saver is now £16.00 (south' yorks') & £15.00 (sheff')

only got a 1300 cc motor, i don't put 25 quids worth of juice in it a week, it takes me door to door in relative comfort,theres no chav's,drunks or any other of the veritable pleathora of seemingly ne'er-do-wells that frequent buses, it's clean, isn't too noisy and i can have a fag if i want.


and before anyone asks (referring to my previous post) had been for a few beers, i don't drink and drive so went for the public transport option

[QUOTE]One reason you neglected to mention was the fact that you could afford £17 for the cab, which many posting here can't.

sorry for being able to afford a taxi fare, guess thats the price of working for a living ,it does tend to give you the freedom of choice, dosen't mean i have to like paying high prices for the privellige :gag:

[QUOTE]One reason you neglected to mention was the fact that you could afford £17 for the cab, which many posting here can't.

what difference doe's it make weather or not he could afford a taxi,perhaps he works for a living' unlike some that often pontificate on this and other forums coz their unemployed and have nothing better to do.

if they got out and found a job maybe they could afford taxi fares,bus fares etc ,

funny how they can afford pc's tho'

[QUOTE]IMO £4 for a day saver is too much and simply encourages people to not use the buses, which,in most cases, means they're more likely to be running a car and further overloading the road system

perhaps a somewhat utopian idea would be for the government of the day to subsidise free public travel for all, not just those on mobility/o.a.p' passe's, postmen,police officers, local councillors, school kids. etc etc

not that any of those groups mentioned are not deserving of free travel but if the powers that be really want to encourage people out of their cars and onto public transport it's going to take that kind of drastic action.
because no matter how much the cost of fuel rises or how much the road fund liecence goes up people WILL still prefer to go by car ,even the introduction of congestion charges ( another tax by the back door) will not significantly reduce the number of cars on the roads.

please,please,please don't runaway with the notion that the days of travelling across Sheffield for 2 bob will come back if enough people want them to, because believe me they certainly won't :rant:

First Bus drivers have all the charm of an angry wasp, the prices are extortionat and customer service is totally non-existant.

I don't use First buses unless in absolute unaviodable and use the supertram, it is cheaper, more reliable and a lot cleaner and comfortable.You get a weekly pass for £9.50 and can use it on Stagecoach buses as well.

I happen to work for a local rail company, and have a bit more knowledge about the transport network than most on here, and realise what cowboys First group are

First operate in other area's such as london, leicester and leeds to name but a few.

A day saver in LONDON is actually cheaper than a day saver in Sheffield, the same is said for First Leicester

Ive figured out why First fares are cheaper in the 3 other cities Ive mentioned - It's because there are at least 3 other major bus companies operating such as stage coach and arriva to name but 2

The more larger bus companies operating in the area the cheaper the fares are as they are all fighting for customers.

The other thing is in these other cities all the bus operators operate the same running time unlike sheffield where First have an agreement with the council and SYPTE not to allow other operators to operate more than 4 routes per operator a day after 1900hrs. First also have an agreement with SYPTE & the council to only let other bus companies operate on certain routes too

Did you also know that a proportion of your council tax goes to the transport executive (SYPTE) who then give several million a year to First to operate bus services but in this contract First laid down rules that restrict other operators operating in the County

So you pay them twice :)

As you maybe aware Yorkshire Traction (who owned Terrier - green & Yellow buses) sold out to Stagecoach, who incidently have statistically the highest fares in the country, so we now have 2 money motivated bus companies operating in the area

It's time that a STOP was put on First having the monopoly / controling influence in South Yorkshire

I would like to see other large companies such as Arriva take an interest in South Yorkshire and for all bus operators to be able to operate ALL routes with the same frequency as First, that way there would be healthy competition, prices would fall and the public of sheffield would have a substantially better public transport service.

This unfortunately would never happen due to the serious amount of £ back handers taking place between SYPTE, The Council and First

So we have a choice - pay outrages prices for travel with poor services and missed/ no show buses
OR
we all start walking everywhere
OR
we all start using stagecoach which is just a little cheaper than first at the moment
OR
we start withholding a portion of our council tax that goes to First via the SYTPE

First operate in other area's such as london, leicester and leeds to name but a few.

A day saver in LONDON is actually cheaper than a day saver in Sheffield, the same is said for First Leicester

Ive figured out why First fares are cheaper in the 3 other cities Ive mentioned - It's because there are at least 3 other major bus companies operating such as stage coach and arriva to name but 2

The more larger bus companies operating in the area the cheaper the fares are as they are all fighting for customers.

The other thing is in these other cities all the bus operators operate the same running time unlike sheffield where First have an agreement with the council and SYPTE not to allow other operators to operate more than 4 routes per operator a day after 1900hrs. First also have an agreement with SYPTE & the council to only let other bus companies operate on certain routes too

Did you also know that a proportion of your council tax goes to the transport executive (SYPTE) who then give several million a year to First to operate bus services but in this contract First laid down rules that restrict other operators operating in the County

So you pay them twice :)

As you maybe aware Yorkshire Traction (who owned Terrier - green & Yellow buses) sold out to Stagecoach, who incidently have statistically the highest fares in the country, so we now have 2 money motivated bus companies operating in the area

It's time that a STOP was put on First having the monopoly / controling influence in South Yorkshire

I would like to see other large companies such as Arriva take an interest in South Yorkshire and for all bus operators to be able to operate ALL routes with the same frequency as First, that way there would be healthy competition, prices would fall and the public of sheffield would have a substantially better public transport service.

This unfortunately would never happen due to the serious amount of £ back handers taking place between SYPTE, The Council and First

So we have a choice - pay outrages prices for travel with poor services and missed/ no show buses
OR
we all start walking everywhere
OR
we all start using stagecoach which is just a little cheaper than first at the moment
OR
we start withholding a portion of our council tax that goes to First via the SYTPE

You mention First taking back handers from PTE,,,then sureley Stagecoach also take the same back handers for their new tendered routes.

I do hope you have the proof to back up your claim.Im sure if I was to make claims that this forum took back handers it would be viewed in a very dim light.

However it seams these kind of unfounded statements are allowed providing it not related to this forum.

funny how they can afford pc's tho'

Birthday present maybe (or other such gift)?

First Bus drivers have all the charm of an angry wasp, the prices are extortionat and customer service is totally non-existant.


thats a very seeping statement,that is unjust and totally inaccurate, not ALL "First " drivers are as you describe,although a lot may well be, surely you meant the ones you have personally come across


I happen to work for a local rail company, and have a bit more knowledge about the transport network than most on here, and realise what cowboys First group are[/QUOTE]

yeah "super tram" is fine if you want to go to halfway or meadowhall,alas for some of us it isn't a real option as we would have to catch a bus to get to the tram stop,.
and once on it i have found the stagecoach staff on duty at the time were brusque at best and rude at worst,but i would not presume ALL stagecoach staff are the same

both my wife and i work in the public transport sector, she is also on the railways for a large national company so we too know a little more than your average postee when it comes to it, perhaps even more than bb

yeah "super tram" is fine if you want to go to halfway or meadowhall,alas for some of us it isn't a real option as we would have to catch a bus to get to the tram stop,.
and once on it i have found the stagecoach staff on duty at the time were brusque at best and rude at worst,but i would not presume ALL stagecoach staff are the same

both my wife and i work in the public transport sector, she is also on the railways for a large national company so we too know a little more than your average postee when it comes to it, perhaps even more than bb

SORRY GUYS GOT A LITTLE TRIGGER HAPPY WITH THE MOUSE

But you are no longer in Glasgow,,,this is sheffield

Erm, yes, I know that. It's a comparison, that's all.

Get the Stagecoach then - 120 runs every 10 minutes during the day and every 15 mins in the evening, right up to midnight.

I get the 120, you can get a weekly saver ticket for £5 :thumbsup:

Under the current rules the only way fares can be contained in a free market place is for First to have competetion on all the major corridor routes.

Like most people I can afford bus fares, even at the dizzy heights they have now reached, though I do think that some of the concessionary fares are rather generous. But the fact is that three years ago, at the age of 55, and after using Sheffield's buses (and trams - old and new) for half a century, I passed my driving test. I had perhaps left it a little late to learn to drive a car, but I was simply fed up with local buses. In the 22 years since my brief motorcycling career had come to an abrupt end at a crossroads I had been content to rely on buses, trains and the occasional taxi. But I could easily afford a new car (on the money I had saved over the years) and so I bought one. I was just tired of waiting for buses that were late or missing (or which had left early) as well as being expensive. Of course, heavy traffic doesn’t help buses run to time, but now, if I have a problem with traffic I am at least sitting in a comfortable Toyota, not getting cold and wet at a bus stop. Given that running a car involves fixed costs, once these have been paid, the cost of fuel alone is much less than a comparable bus fare – so it’s hardly surprising that our roads are clogged with private cars. It’s simply cheaper and more convenient than going by bus. Now that bus fares are so high it is interesting to compare them with taxis. Last Friday, my wife, daughter and I walked the 1¼ miles down the hill from Wadsley to Hillsborough - we simply felt like a walk, rather than get the car out. For the return journey from Morrisons we decided to take a taxi, rather than struggle on to a bus (assuming it came) with our bags of shopping. The bus fare for three people would have been £3.30. The metered taxi fare was just 45p more, for which we got home quickly and in comfort. 'nuff said.