What is happening? why is there all this hostility towards foregn people coming to this country (a safe country)?

Would you stay in a dangerous country? no I'm sure you wouldn't, you'd go where it is safe.

And the cost to the taxpayer? its peanuts

Stop moaning everyone

OooooooO you'll start a riot now :hihi:

An English riot, where everyone just tuts and rolls their eyes.

What is happening? why is there all this hostility towards foregn people coming to this country (a safe country)?

Would you stay in a dangerous country? no I'm sure you wouldn't, you'd go where it is safe.

And the cost to the taxpayer? its peanuts

Stop moaning everyone
Drug crime costs ?

But if all these people werent coming over, then taxes would be so high etc

Gun crime costs?

Lack of social housing?

Abuse of the NHS and welfare state in general?

Ignorance and insularity?

Building bloody great big churches everywhere.

I'm less tolerant than ever. I won't tolerate it. None of it. Not on my watch. I will be intolerant. My tolerance level is set to zero.

If you keep reading or writing the word tolerant over and over, you began to think what a daft word it is.

Tolerant.

On a diversity course I was told that I shouldn't tolerate intolerance - entirely seriously...

On a diversity course I was told that I shouldn't tolerate intolerance - entirely seriously...

I think that intolerance is intolerable. You shouldn't tolerate it. Your teachers did well.

When I was born, average tolerance went through the floor.

The British, and particularly the English, are too nice for their own good. They need to become more intolerant IMHO.

Would you stay in a dangerous country? no I'm sure you wouldn't, you'd go where it is safe.


Why not stay and fight instead of fleeing at the first sign of danger, just a thought.

Why not stay and fight instead of fleeing at the first sign of danger, just a thought.

erm.. because its dangerous :suspect:

What is happening? why is there all this hostility towards foregn people coming to this country (a safe country)?

Would you stay in a dangerous country? no I'm sure you wouldn't, you'd go where it is safe.

And the cost to the taxpayer? its peanuts

Stop moaning everyone
You're off your trolley.
If UK is safe, then there would be zero crime. Wouldn't it ? :rolleyes:

I'm sick and tired of seeing your posts everywhere Mini-Cooper. Do go away!

What is happening? why is there all this hostility towards foregn people coming to this country (a safe country)?

Would you stay in a dangerous country? no I'm sure you wouldn't, you'd go where it is safe.

And the cost to the taxpayer? its peanuts

Stop moaning everyone

Good trolling attempt, Mini Cooper :thumbsup: - you've got a few going

StarSparkle

the nation need someone/ thing to unite against. ' wasn't arond in the war but I hear there was a more 'pull together' attitude
(the reason it has to be against is the same reason why bad news travels fast)

and no not more intolerant just more aware of intolerances(purportrated by a few, to many)

I'm intolerant of anyone offering "lessions" ... iirc, a 'lesion' is a nasty open sore like an ulcer or something ... :gag:

I'm intolerant of anyone offering "lessions" ... iirc, a 'lesion' is a nasty open sore like an ulcer or something ... :gag:

What, even if they offer them in 'Britian'?

In answer to pysn, there wasn't as much of a "pull together" mentality as you might have been led to believe. Both sides of course used propaganda to maintain national morale. Maybe you've seen the film Mrs Miniver which was as good a job as anyone ever did to provide this stuff. In fact, there was a lot of looting and opportunist crime because the police and other agencies had to concentrate on more important things, there was a flourishing blackmarket, and sadly the armed forces themselves were riddled with class snobbism (think of how the boffins who saved thousands of lives with their decoding of the Enigma traffic were regarded by the Army as inferior nerds--and look at the disgraceful treatment of the most brilliant of them all, Alan Turing, after the war, driven to suicide because he was a homosexual). It seems to me that Britain is not really any more intolerant than it ever was--ask the average person who was ruled by Britain during the days of Empire...

What, even if they offer them in 'Britian'?

even more so, yes, definitely - especially then! :D


*practices intolerance mode

*Bago pinches Ruby* :D :hihi:

*Bago pinches Ruby* :D :hihi:

eeekkkksss! OUCH!!

*inspects bruise ... :(

I was expecting a slap. lol.
So much for being intolerant. Aii.... :hihi:

[Added] Okay, I'm sorry for the bruise. :/

I've never seen the film Mrs Miniver will hunt it out, always imagined the community spirt to be stronger when every one had a common identifiable enemy -clearly im only guessing as I wasnt there- rather than the petty infighting that is obvious nowadays.

An English riot, where everyone just tuts and rolls their eyes.
can I wave my rolled up copy of private eye in a menacing fashion?

Abuse of the NHS and welfare state in general?

Watched a programme about Rotherham Hospital last night, I was aware of the minority of white British consultants! Perhaps most of them have gone abroad to work? So immigrants obviously have a huge part to play in keeping the NHS going?

can I wave my rolled up copy of private eye in a menacing fashion?
Not so it would cause a draught please! :hihi:

Watched a programme about Rotherham Hospital last night, I was aware of the minority of white British consultants! Perhaps most of them have gone abroad to work? So immigrants obviously have a huge part to play in keeping the NHS going?

Indeed they do to some extent, but its not something we should necessarily be proud of, not least because of the reverse brain drain effect, i.e. many of these hail from developing countries in dire need of highly trained medical staff.

was it ever really that tolerant?! a quick glance thru history might suggest otherwise!

So immigrants obviously have a huge part to play in keeping the NHS going?
Honestly, they come over here! They staff our hospitals... *shakes fist*

Honestly, they come over here! They staff our hospitals... *shakes fist*

You should indeed be shaking your fist, because in many cases it means that hospitals in developing countries are thereby deprived of badly needed professional medical staff. For example, it was discovered last year that there were more Zambian nurses working in hospitals in Birmingham than in the whole of Lusaka.

Point taken.

Although it's worth remembering that the population of Birmingham is more than twice that of Lusaka and that shortages in equipment, not medical staff, are more damaging to the health-care situation in developing nations.

Point taken.

Although it's worth remembering that the population of Birmingham is more than twice that of Lusaka and that shortages in equipment, not medical staff, are more damaging to the health-care situation in developing nations.

The figures in the article below would suggest otherwise. There are only around 600 doctors in the whole of Zambia, with approximately one doctor per 14,000 patients. Moreover, given the magnitude of the health problems Zambian doctors are likely to encounter (not least the prevalence of Aids and other infectious diseases), a comparison of the populations of Birmingham and Lusaka is not the best way of assessing relative needs. Zambia needs Zambian nurses and doctors a lot more than we do.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4883062.stm

was it ever really that tolerant?! a quick glance thru history might suggest otherwise!

I think it is about the most tolerant and most welcoming country on the face of the planet. It doesn't say much for the rest of the planet, but I still think it's something Britain can be justly proud of.

But is it becoming less tolerant? I don't know - how would you tell?

I think it is about the most tolerant and most welcoming country on the face of the planet. It doesn't say much for the rest of the planet, but I still think it's something Britain can be justly proud of.

But is it becoming less tolerant? I don't know - how would you tell?

Well, we might start by looking at various global indices, such as the one below. It is a 'freedom index' rather than a 'tolerance' index, but it perhaps provides useful pointers to the extent of toleration.

http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=278

But that is a snapshot. We'd need a way of evaluating "tolerance" levels over time.

But that is a snapshot. We'd need a way of evaluating "tolerance" levels over time.

I am not sure that this would be particularly useful in the UK's case, because of changing historical circumstances. For example, our tolerance levels today are being tested in ways which were not relevant to previous eras, not least because of the absence of a 'rights culture' and of strident 'rights' groups of one kind or another in these eras. It might be argued though that previous forms of intolerance and been replaced by new forms of intolerance, not least by liberal bigotry.

It's just not PC to be intolerant these days, and anyway the govt. seem determined to make any form of intolerance a criminal offence :hihi:

zero tolerance to intolerance, er....

zero tolerance to intolerance, er....

Exactly ! - surley to be tolerated is a basic 'human right' ? ;)

zero tolerance to intolerance, er....

Intolerance of intolerance is a form of intolerance. Our moral compasses, which of course are subject to changing ideological fashions as well as being determined by our beliefs and preferences, determine what is to be tolerated and what is beyond the pale.

Does anyone else remember the dictum of that old Marxist fraud Herbert Marcuse, i.e. 'tolerance towards those on the Left, intolerance towards those on the Right'?. Unfortunately, this dictum appears still to be practised by some who have probably never even heard of Marcuse.

Is Britain becoming a less tolerant nation?

**** off !

What is happening? why is there all this hostility towards foregn people coming to this country (a safe country)?

Would you stay in a dangerous country? no I'm sure you wouldn't, you'd go where it is safe.

And the cost to the taxpayer? its peanuts

Stop moaning everyone

Trouble is (and I'm sure othees have said the same but I can't be bothered to read all the posts) many often travel through lots of other 'safe' countries to get here rather than stop at the first they arrive at.