Anybody going from the forum ?


Also - the site for the "we want our buses back" people seems to be dead

what and pay the new £4 fair for travel? never!

:hihi::hihi::hihi:

If they must protest, why don't they do it somewhere quiet out in the country, so it doesn't disrupt the traffic?

lets organise a protest anti-march against protest marches

every protester, instead of getting cold and wet (it is winter people) can sit at home in the warm and say bloody protest marchers need shooting:thumbsup:

Anybody going from the forum ?


Where is it?

What exactly is the protest about & where?

11,00 am city hall

11,00 am city hall

but if its late two protests will probably turn up at 11.15

Good luck to em power to the people ,more bus lanes bring on the congestion charge,down with planet killers.

Good luck to em power to the people ,more bus lanes bring on the congestion charge,down with planet killers.

Get your extra pennies ready today dont forget that First Bus fares are up and away from today (Saturday).

Stuff that d71146 going in my chelsea tractor, to the lane tommorow.

if u do go, go by stagecoach/ walk/cycle

i havent ridden on a first in nearly a month now, ill keep my money. pretty soon, there will only be pensioners riding the buses

Thing is at the end of the day, no matter what people say or do ive heard most of em,

oh im gonna buy a bike
oh im gonna catch stagecoach etc etc

simple fact is that if your in a rush to get somewhere your gonna catch the first conveinent mode of transport weather that be First or Stagecoach so the way i see it is First will always get there profits they might take a knock but still they will get profit from this alone

Even i have said that i will use Stagecoach as my preffered mode of transport but this just isnt practical considering the above paragraph, if im in a rush somewhere most often than not i still find myself on a First bus as it stops closer to my house.

Any idea why the City hall and not the Town Hall

Any idea why the City hall and not the Town Hall

Why should it be the Town Hall? All privatised now isn't it, so nowt to do with the council?

City Hall probably looks better for the TV/Press crews (assuming they can be bothered to show up). Plus more room for people to mill about.

to be honest, its all a little bit pointless, isnt it?

its an excuse for the friendly lefty types we all know and love to give it some hammer on a megaphone.

and give the rest of us ear ache.

meanwhile the bus companies will smirk at the 50 or so protesters, take another satisfying slurp on their nice hot drink, and carry on the pocket-emptying madness ad infinitum.

'and you can take that to the bank!'

to be honest, its all a little bit pointless, isnt it?

its an excuse for the friendly lefty types we all know and love to give it some hammer on a megaphone.

and give the rest of us ear ache.

meanwhile the bus companies will smirk at the 50 or so protesters, take another satisfying slurp on their nice hot drink, and carry on the pocket-emptying madness ad infinitum.

'and you can take that to the bank!'

You are so right it will not make one jot of difference to any decisions a bus company makes on fares.
There are exactly the same complaints today in Bristol for example where the fares are going uptoday just as they are in Sheffield.

Will there be the same uproar when Stocksbridge 57 is reduced to an hourly evening service at the end of January:hihi:

Are first buses running today or what?

Never mind, I just saw what the protest was about, Hopefully the buses will be extra quiet today :D

If they must protest, why don't they do it somewhere quiet out in the country, so it doesn't disrupt the traffic?

I can believe everyone passed over this post. It made me laugh and spill my tea:hihi: :hihi:

to be honest, its all a little bit pointless, isnt it?

its an excuse for the friendly lefty types we all know and love to give it some hammer on a megaphone.

and give the rest of us ear ache.

meanwhile the bus companies will smirk at the 50 or so protesters, take another satisfying slurp on their nice hot drink, and carry on the pocket-emptying madness ad infinitum.

'and you can take that to the bank!'

But, if the majority of those in sheffileld who feel they're being ripped off by the bus companies, turned up, then there'd be a lot more than 50.

Protests have and do work sometimes.

The fact that it's been set up creates the possibility of an effective protest- if it wasn't set up, on the grounds that 'numbers may be low', that possibility would not exist.

Are first buses running today or what?

Well, they're going to have a try and see what they can manage. It all depend upon whether or not they are competant enough to do so.

Yest they are running why shouldnt they be

Yest they are running why shouldnt they be

Well it is often above their ability level to manage it. It would appear that often the job of running a bus in accordence with a timetable (or even at all) is something that dear old First South Yorkshire find requires a greater skill than they posess.

I was in town when this meeting took place and saw the many thousands of ordinary people joining together to fight the terrible state of buses in Sheffield. Well sort of .....

Actually there were about 30 people in Barkers Pool, inclusing two sad looking student Marxists with a big red banner and a mad woman with a cardboard sign saying something like "Save the buses and save the Polar Bear". At first we thought it was the queue for the ferris wheel but then we realised there was a bloke with a magaphone at the front.

I was in town when this meeting took place and saw the many thousands of ordinary people joining together to fight the terrible state of buses in Sheffield. Well sort of .....

Actually there were about 30 people in Barkers Pool, inclusing two sad looking student Marxists with a big red banner and a mad woman with a cardboard sign saying something like "Save the buses and save the Polar Bear". At first we thought it was the queue for the ferris wheel but then we realised there was a bloke with a magaphone at the front.

A good turnout then

A good turnout then

It would have been better but the bus drivers were on strike so no-one could get.

I was in town when this meeting took place and saw the many thousands of ordinary people joining together to fight the terrible state of buses in Sheffield. Well sort of .....

Actually there were about 30 people in Barkers Pool, inclusing two sad looking student Marxists with a big red banner and a mad woman...[also]there was a bloke with a megaphone at the front.

uncanny eh?

...its an excuse for the friendly lefty types we all know and love to give it some hammer on a megaphone.

and give the rest of us ear ache.

meanwhile the bus companies will smirk at the 50 or so protesters...

hope they all had fun on their day out. in the wet. and cold.

champion:)

two banners on display SHEFFIELD SOCIALIST WORKERS PARTYand RESPECT plus a couple of stop the war placards usual k***s who hijack every protest oh not forgetting the moronic samba band that always turn up.

two banners on display SHEFFIELD SOCIALIST WORKERS PARTYand RESPECT plus a couple of stop the war placards usual k***s who hijack every protest oh not forgetting the moronic samba band that always turn up.

Ah yes you mean the bandwagon jockeys who think we all care they have read a recent paper and are telling us that something is bad :D

Makes a change from the flipping armies of Big Issue sellers or Gouranga Monks who live on Fargate... What the heck is Gouranga anyway? :loopy:

I remember back when I lived in Grimsby as a student, one Saturday afternoon I was walking past a computer shop in the Town Centre, and some random bloke comes up to me and asks me to shout "Gouranga!", any other time I would've told him to sod off in no uncertain terms but I was in a good mood having just won a tenner on a scratch card so I tolerated him.

i walked past, it seemed to be the same faces that are on every protest.. including that bloke who always wears the pink trousers with the drum.... does he ever wash them, bet his mum has to sneak into his room to take them and wash them (or perhaps he sleeps in them too)..

anyway, i thought it was the queue for the big wheel... can we have a protest about that, it looks proper tacky compared to the one they have in manchester..

I thought the idea of buses was to provide a cheaper and more frendiler to the environment service however I've been and bough an old banger which works out I will spending on average £3 a day on travel as oposed to the new £4 day ticket (not including price of the car as i hope it will last me longer than 1 yr, lol). I get around cheaper than the bus and in my own comfort. (I must admit that I do use the stage coach bus for uni as its only £1 per day so I'm not all bad.)

two banners on display SHEFFIELD SOCIALIST WORKERS PARTYand RESPECT plus a couple of stop the war placards usual k***s who hijack every protest oh not forgetting the moronic samba band that always turn up.


lmao^

ok, maybe im not seeing 'the bigger picture'. But seriously, what have bus fares got to do with the 'stop the war' movement?

and if im gently reminded that it is indeed symptomatic of the greater ills of capitalist society im going to throw my banana at someone -

ultimately it is all about the lizards anyway, nothing's going to change that except AK47 training and several sessions a week bouncing on matteresses.

thats your revolution man.

sod marx and getting the trots.

And yes, i've read Das Crabapple. but the dude never worked an honest day...

i walked past, it seemed to be the same faces that are on every protest.. including that bloke who always wears the pink trousers with the drum.... does he ever wash them, bet his mum has to sneak into his room to take them and wash them (or perhaps he sleeps in them too)..

anyway, i thought it was the queue for the big wheel... can we have a protest about that, it looks proper tacky compared to the one they have in manchester..

everything seems crappy compared to manchester nowadays :(
a weeks bus pass is £3, to get anywehre its 60p and what the hells goin on ver here!? I'm gonna have to get my bike out again

I blame all the middle class range rover driving types from, fulwood, broomhill, crosspool, dore, ecalsall, hallam, abbeydale, bradfiled, crookes, wadsley, whirlow, hunters bar, Ranmoor.. for there pronteniousness in not using public transport as it's too common.

Well I have to say it, but another protest thats changed naff all!
How many more protests are there going to be in sheffield?

Do they actually change anything?
NOPE

For the people that go on them, you cant change fat cat culture- and its best to keep that in mind while your stood out there in the cold and while they are laughing at you from behind closed doors.

two banners on display SHEFFIELD SOCIALIST WORKERS PARTYand RESPECT plus a couple of stop the war placards usual k***s who hijack every protest oh not forgetting the moronic samba band that always turn up.


I'd like to flag this up to all the in-denial lefties that claim there's no such thing when people refer to a 'politically correct brigade' - OH YES THEY DO!!! And they contaminate every debate worth having.

30 people is this true? and of course the socialists and respect party turned up because they haven't been in the news for a few weeks

LAUGHABLE what a pointless exercise, how futile and before anyone says it wouldn't have been pointless if more had turned up

MORE DIDNT TURN UP!!!

for those 30 or so who did turn up GET THE MESSAGE, first maybe fleecing people and i'm one of them but i'd rather have a private company running the buses than some pen pusher in the town hall

i'll moan about buses not turning up but that just means i'm British were used to a crap service industry and we're used to complaining

its quite amusing to see all the people that continually tell us the council couldn't run a **** up in a brewery now wanting the council to take over the buses,makes sense doesn't it?

I blame all the middle class range rover driving types from, fulwood, broomhill, crosspool, dore, ecalsall, hallam, abbeydale, bradfiled, crookes, wadsley, whirlow, hunters bar, Ranmoor.. for there pronteniousness in not using public transport as it's too common.


as im unfamiliar with the other areas i wont comment! bradfiELd (E before L)have the 61 bus route at 15 minutes past and the 62 at 40minutes past, which arent exactly often compared to other routes in sheffield and only going as far as hillsborough! , i think this is a very sterotypical comment as i live very near the area and pass it most days on my way home from college (on the BUS!) and im trying to think of where these "range rover types" are!

30 people is this true?

Nope. Somewhere between 100 and 150, more like. Pics and a brief report are up on Indymedia at http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/01/359386.html

30 people is this true? and of course the socialists and respect party turned up because they haven't been in the news for a few weeks

LAUGHABLE what a pointless exercise, how futile and before anyone says it wouldn't have been pointless if more had turned up

MORE DIDNT TURN UP!!!

for those 30 or so who did turn up GET THE MESSAGE, first maybe fleecing people and i'm one of them but i'd rather have a private company running the buses than some pen pusher in the town hall

i'll moan about buses not turning up but that just means i'm British were used to a crap service industry and we're used to complaining

Here is the ultimate compromise.

You get the council to specify fares, routes and frequency. Someone who is specialised in transport planning, and has not got an interest in profit or shareholders. This is possibly a hurdle, but this can be done right. You could even involve those who matter, the passengers!

Then, tender out the actual running of the routes to bus companies. They get paid a certain management fee for running the service, and have to comply with the specification.

There are two benefits to this situation.

One: bus companies will be willing to accept the reduced profit, as the money recieved is guarenteed for a period of say a year, until the route is retendered.

Two: Tickets and Branding can be unified. Imagine if the same ticket would let you travel on any bus or tram in the county. The bus companies wouldn't be deciding on the fares, the council would.

The final element to this is a congestion charge, which I fully support. Its revolutionalised the capitals transport system, with them now having one of the best (and its still cheaper than Sheffield) bus systems in the UK, if not the world.

I blame all the middle class range rover driving types from, fulwood, broomhill, crosspool, dore, ecalsall, hallam, abbeydale, bradfiled, crookes, wadsley, whirlow, hunters bar, Ranmoor.. for there pronteniousness in not using public transport as it's too common.


Im from one of those places and Im not prontenious (sic). I dont use the peasant wagons because they are not conveneient or good value.

Nor do I have a range rover . A little nuevo riche for me.

Here is the ultimate compromise.
The final element to this is a congestion charge, which I fully support. Its revolutionalised the capitals transport system, with them now having one of the best (and its still cheaper than Sheffield) bus systems in the UK, if not the world.

the reason why London has a better transport system than virtually anywhere in the UK, is that when thatcher arranged for deregulation of the buses, back in 86, london was exempted from de-reg.

this meant that systems like south yorkshire's which worked exceedingly well up to that point, became a melee, a free-for-all, where, nationwide, the only winners were the big-shouter bus companies, and the losers, all-round were the poor passengers.

All the passengers got were a poorer service, higher fares, and scrabby, ill-maintained buses,owned by tin-pot fly-by-night operators.

London, because of the lack of deregulation, got the investment, and the support that all local passenger transport executives should have received. so london has been able to provide a consistently "cheap", and fairly reliable service, in comparison to areas like ours.

Here is the ultimate compromise.

You get the council to specify fares, routes and frequency. Someone who is specialised in transport planning, and has not got an interest in profit or shareholders. This is possibly a hurdle, but this can be done right. You could even involve those who matter, the passengers!

Then, tender out the actual running of the routes to bus companies. They get paid a certain management fee for running the service, and have to comply with the specification.

There are two benefits to this situation.

One: bus companies will be willing to accept the reduced profit, as the money recieved is guarenteed for a period of say a year, until the route is retendered.

Two: Tickets and Branding can be unified. Imagine if the same ticket would let you travel on any bus or tram in the county. The bus companies wouldn't be deciding on the fares, the council would.

The final element to this is a congestion charge, which I fully support. Its revolutionalised the capitals transport system, with them now having one of the best (and its still cheaper than Sheffield) bus systems in the UK, if not the world.
You couldn't be more right.

The Greater London Authority have these powers - Sheffield City Council don't.

If the Labour Government aren't even prepared to let local councils literally make the buses run on time, they might as well abolish them altogether.

As I've said on here before, if it's good enough for London, why not us?

two banners on display SHEFFIELD SOCIALIST WORKERS PARTYand RESPECT plus a couple of stop the war placards usual k***s who hijack every protest oh not forgetting the moronic samba band that always turn up.

Would the Socialist Workers Party and the so-called 'Respect' Party now like to remove their posters advertsiting this event. These posters have been pasted on phone boxes and shop windows all over the city centre. The demonstration is over, but this unwanted fly-posting remains an eyesore.

Would the Socialist Workers Party and the so-called 'Respect' Party now like to remove their posters advertsiting this event. These posters have been pasted on phone boxes and shop windows all over the city centre. The demonstration is over, but this unwanted fly-posting remains an eyesore.

I thought the council could prosecute fly posting red :hihi:

I thought the council could prosecute fly posting red :hihi:

I wish they could do something about the garbage we get from all political parties (I mean, I really need a Labore calendar, delivered a week into the year)