hi, just a thought with the number of stabbings and shootings in sheffield over last 5 months is the police doing enough to stop this growing culture. i mean are the police doing enough random searching. with the number of stabbings surely they could give offenders lots of time in the prisons for carrying weapons

I think that after the stabbing in Carver Street a few weeks back there has been a huge increase in the number of Patrol Officers on a Friday and Saturday night around the town.. I think the stabbing incident gave the SYPF a wake up call..

a fortnight ago in town no matter which street you walked down there was always a copper patrolling on foot..

Having been stabbed myself I think its unfair to constantly criticise the police, I think the '''majority''' of the Police do what they can given the constraints they work under.. (awaiting backlash from you all now :P )

DeeJ

Perhaps every police officer should be issued with a crystal ball, they would then have absolutley no excuse for not being in the right place at the right time:thumbsup:

I agree with deejay and I think that whilst this seeming up surge in violent crime is worrying, we do live in a large city meaning there will be stabbings, shootings and the like.
Unfortunately I think its more about the world we live in rather than the city.
Plus these things happen week in week out it just depends on how much coverage the papers give something

Please......

This isn't South Central LA. It isn't downtown Baghdad. Get a grip and remember that Sheffield is the 5th biggest city in the country and we have a crime which reflects that.

There will continue to be drink and drug fuelled violence in all cities until people show restraint and self discipline. As that's never going to happen we just need to get used to it. I think the police are doing what they can.

No doubt if we had a more intensive police regime with 'Stop and Search' and curfew orders there'd be loud bleating noises about living in a police state.

Joe

a curfew on under 30s at the weekend, say dusk til dawn?

just a thought, be an interesting experiment if anyone would observe it, but that in itself would be a hideous policing problem.

most violence is committed by males in the 18-25 age group.basically what is needed is a more constructive outlet for their alpha male posturing.

Most violence is committed by a minority of men in the 18-25 age range - and most victims are in that range as well.

An interesting excercise might be to see what would happen if you increased the price of booze.....

Banned happy hours.....

Or put the onus on bar keeps not to serve people who are already nissed as pewts.

Make more pubs 'sitting only'?

Just some thoughts!

Joe

Originally posted by Phanerothyme

most violence is committed by males in the 18-25 age group.basically what is needed is a more constructive outlet for their alpha male posturing.

...or bromide in the beer ?

Did they have control in the first place?

I think they lost control some time ago. To be fair, since the publication of the fatuous McPherson Report, the police nationally have been too busy desperately avoiding accusations of racism to get a grip on "street crime". I spoke to a police officer in Liverpool, where I work, recently about a recent spate of drug-related shootings and murders largely in Toxteth. "All part and parcel of city life", he replied, as if we were talking about buses running late. When it gets to this stage I begin to despair. I hope that Liverpool today is not Sheffield [ where I was born and brought up] tomorrow.

Originally posted by Deejay
I think that after the stabbing in Carver Street a few weeks back there has been a huge increase in the number of Patrol Officers on a Friday and Saturday night around the town.. I think the stabbing incident gave the SYPF a wake up call..

DeeJ

The fatal stabbing in question (a girl I knew) was on a Wednesday night.

Haven't heard anything about the woman arrested for the crime, anybody else know anything?

How come the fates of all the crims involved in Shootings/Stabbings are hardly ever mentioned in the paper?

We'r always hearing they got caught and that they are set for trial on so and so date. But how come nowhere ever says what happens to them?

Are we really so incapable of taking responsibility for our own actions and environment that we need police to 'control' us?

IM(NV)HO we are putting to much onus on the police - the primary responsability for a healthy society is the people who live in it...

Originally posted by evildrneil
Are we really so incapable of taking responsibility for our own actions and environment that we need police to 'control' us?

IM(NV)HO we are putting to much onus on the police - the primary responsability for a healthy society is the people who live in it...

True but when I run round with my baton and handcuffs I tend to get into trouble.

i think the police are stupid,dumb and thick the other day in tinsley i had my friends little girl whos only 5yrs old we went to my boyfs to ask him something when a stupid idiot nearly knocked my mtes daughter off her bike he was on a little motorbike and it shouldnt of been on the path.luckily there was cars on the path that saved us she fell on me and i fell on the car i called the police and they said they was coming to see me but they didnt.

what do you want them to do??!!!lol ok, its not the polices fault that some **** on a bike nearly ran the little girl over is it.

That little motorbike is one of four vehicles being driven on the paths in Tinsley now by school kids. I reported the bikes too over the weekend along with a friend who lives at the other side of Tinsley.

Not seen a sausage of any police presence and the three cameras in the park are a waste of space as well as the £30,000 it cost to put them there.

We all pay about £100 each, every year for policing so where does the money go, and when are these new community police people starting?

Recruitment for PCSOs (Police Community Support Officers) is ongoing. It's still a relatively new venture so the first few are only just starting regular duty. Many more will be on patrol in 12 months' time.

The cameras are there to identify persistent offenders, but the nature of the bike problem is such that a single offence won't lead to a conviction. It'll take time for evidence to accumulate against individuals, but being classed as anti-social behaviour, these type of incidents cannot always be prioritised.

But being mown down by a petrol driven vehicle is normally a hit and run, isn't it? And if one of the little darlings accidently drove into 'somebody's' fist it wouldn't take long for 'somebody' to find themselves in trouble, would it???

True, but the case in question was a near miss.

24 hr openiong will reduce street crime. Drunken idiots will leave pubs at different times. No swelling and arguments outside clubs/taxi ranks.....

The existing varying hours when revellers leave clubs hasn't stopped drunken violence much has it?