I work in meadowhall and was talking to 2 security guards there tonight and they were saying that smoking will be banned in june/july inside and OUTSIDE the meadowhall centre. is it possable that it can be banned outside, would it be poss for it to be a ban only on staff outside or customers also? would the same rule have to apply to both???

and if they are applying such bans would the sale of cigarettes also be banned??? I bet my last richmond they wouldnt!

The smoking bans have been enforced in some hospital grounds for years now- and they've managed to make it apply to patients and visitors as much as staff.

I'd be amazed if the Meadowhall managers are prepared to have the level of confrontation that hospital managers face about the whole thing though- after all, most people who are at the hospital aren't there through choice are they?

I do agree with non smoking in meadowhall. There is nothing worse than being stuck behind someone who is blowing a load of cig smoke out and you get it straight in the face. However, I don't see the need to ban it outside aswell. Afterall, people outside who don't like smoking have a choice to walk far enough away from those who are smoking to avoid taking in second hand smoke. Just think how much manpower it would take to enforce a smoking ban outside of Meadowhall!

I don't know how they'd manage it. People could still smoke in their cars, there's no way of stopping that. And is anyone does have a smoke outside all they have to say is that they've never been before/for a while and they didn't know about any ban. Would be easy to stop staff from doing it as they would have no 'excuse' for not knowing, so maybe its about them? It's the same at the hospitals - staff cannot smoke but visitors can.

It'd be a bit ironic as well, considering all the cars belching out fumes to get there - and before anyone says something about cars being essential - not to get to Meadowhall to buy a pair of shoes in the Next sale, they're not!

I work for SCT ( Sheffield care trust) and as far as I know then you have to be 10 m away from any door, window or entrance
Anything outside of this is free space and subject to the individual's preference
I was a smoker until dec 1st...smoking is becoming so antisocial and you feel like an outcast especially after july 07.....

so stop!!!!!!
Anne

Afterall, people outside who don't like smoking have a choice to walk far enough away from those who are smoking to avoid taking in second hand smoke.
Just as people who smoke have a choice to walk outside the meadowhall site.

Unless they draw some sort of smoking boundary though I don't see how this will work. Policing the entire meadowhall site would be an immense task. Maybe they'll just focus on the bits round where the entrances are?

My understanding of the new legislation that comes into force in the summer is that it will be banned in all public places and work places, which includes the grounds.

I know it goes as far to ban you from smoking in a company vehicle, as this is deemed as a work place.

With that in mind, I would imagine it will be a similar scenario in other shopping centres and it probably isn't meadowhall managements decision.

I'm actually a smoker and I have no objection to it, I understand it's not nice to be around. And the ban will definately make me think again about quitting.

Yeh I think thats the idea. I just think its really unfair that the staff that have to endure the hell of meadowhall day in day out (not me personally i only work there 1 evening a week) and the only thing they might enjoy in their bit of spare time is a cig are banned from smoking. I can imagine the customer service rates going down hill.

I completely agree with banning smoking in public places, and im a smoker (only a few a day) I dont smoke at home - i hate the smell! In fact the only place I like to enjoy a cig is in my car ( I have lots of perfume and chewing gum).

My understanding of the new legislation that comes into force in the summer is that it will be banned in all public places and work places, which includes the grounds.<snippity>
I'm actually a smoker and I have no objection to it, I understand it's not nice to be around. And the ban will definately make me think again about quitting.

fisrtly, good luck on your plans to quit, there are "quit- groups" you can join for support, they are very useful.

secondly, you're right, it's not "meadowhell" who are making this rule up, it's government legislation for all public places.

and, thirdly, "yaaay, I can't wait to be able to breathe!! lol"

Agree with some of the other posters - I work in hospital and the grounds are now non-smoking too. I think the main idea is to prevent the clouds of smoke around the doors - its not very pleasant for a non-smoker to leave Meadowhall sometimes and be faced with lots and lots of smoke - I hold my breath and run past LOL!

Afterall, people outside who don't like smoking have a choice to walk far enough away from those who are smoking to avoid taking in second hand smoke.
Not if they want to get in through the door the smoker in question is standing at!! About 3% of smokers in my experience have the common decency to move away from the doors to light up.

All places will have to stick to the law, not just Meadowhall.

Hospitals are also banning smoking in the grounds.

I brought a no smoking rule in in our grounds at work from 01 December. Although this really is just enforcing the landlords rules.

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I totaly agree on the no smoking rule in meadowhall, it is far to enclosed to have to suffer other peoples smoke.
But i feel outside is another issue, i personaly have no problem with smoking so long as the smoker is thoughtfull and doesn't blow it in my face etc. i do think perhaps there should be designated outdoor areas for the smokers that others can avoid if they so wish.... good point made also about the staff, it seems a little unrealistic to expect them to never have a smoke all day, it is after all an addiction whether we like it or not is another matter.

I do agree with non smoking in meadowhall. There is nothing worse than being stuck behind someone who is blowing a load of cig smoke out and you get it straight in the face. However, I don't see the need to ban it outside aswell. Afterall, people outside who don't like smoking have a choice to walk far enough away from those who are smoking to avoid taking in second hand smoke.

Try walking out of the main entrance/wind tunnel near Yorkshire Bank without getting a lungfull of carcnogens - It's disgusting. :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:

Is it not time we cut to the chase and just banned smoking totaly? If you want to take part in such a filthy,smelly disgusting pastime then you should all be crammed in to a place such as the toilets at the bus station and made to stay there for ever

Any of the people who say it can’t be done, its unenforceable should take a trip to Scotland, on a resent trip to Edinburgh I found the no smoking ban accepted everywhere.

Its not about enforcement its about winning over the hearts and minds of people, if you want to smoke at least have respect for others and do it in your own house, car, garden or where ever.

good point made also about the staff, it seems a little unrealistic to expect them to never have a smoke all day, it is after all an addiction whether we like it or not is another matter.


The smoking ban as not just appeared out of thin air, anybody that wants to stop as been given time to seek help.

Where I used to work the management bend over backwards to accommodate smokers but as a total ban approaches what more can they do.

I`m a smoker (have been for 17years) yet I totally agree with the no smoking rules that are popping up here there and every where.
Why should people that have the sense not to smoke, have to inhale what us lot choose to put into our bodies. Going to give it my best shot at giving up for new year, good luck to ant others that will be trying to quit!!

Quite agree with the smoking ban at Meadowhell.
Now when do we get bans for multi-pushchair users, shoplifting chavs, idiots who can't walk in a straight line etc?

Quite agree with the smoking ban at Meadowhell.
Now when do we get bans for multi-pushchair users, shoplifting chavs, idiots who can't walk in a straight line etc?

What about those that stop for no apparent reason especially when they have just stepped of an escalator.

Its 30 years since I was at school but I can remember being told to walk down corridors or steps on the left, not hard really but stops everybody bumping into each other.

I don't know how they'd manage it. People could still smoke in their cars, there's no way of stopping that. And is anyone does have a smoke outside all they have to say is that they've never been before/for a while and they didn't know about any ban. Would be easy to stop staff from doing it as they would have no 'excuse' for not knowing, so maybe its about them? It's the same at the hospitals - staff cannot smoke but visitors can.

It'd be a bit ironic as well, considering all the cars belching out fumes to get there - and before anyone says something about cars being essential - not to get to Meadowhall to buy a pair of shoes in the Next sale, they're not!

Not for much longer!! It'll be nice not to have to run the gauntlet (as someone else has said) of holding your breath and running...

Best of luck to everyone thinking of quitting :thumbsup:

My understanding of the new legislation that comes into force in the summer is that it will be banned in all public places and work places, which includes the grounds.

I know it goes as far to ban you from smoking in a company vehicle, as this is deemed as a work place.
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No, it only bans you from smoking in enclosed workplaces, so outdoors is not covered - which is why pub beer gardens will be the places where the smokers will go, as in Ireland. They can even put up a 'roof' - so long as it's a gazebo type structure and does not have 'sides'. So if they do this at Meadowhall its all at their own discretion, nothing to do with the law.

Plenty of places outside Meadowhell for a smoke anyway, e.g. pop out to the riverside and have one there. Nobody's going to be bothered by smokers out there. :thumbsup:

With the sheer numbers of people going in and out, unless people are smoking right outside the main doors there's no way they would notice it anyway. Plenty of people still smoke inside the Interchange which is meant to be non-smoking and they always get away with it due to the numbers of people passing through. Unfortunately this includes people smoking weed which really does stink to hell.

Not for much longer!! It'll be nice not to have to run the gauntlet (as someone else has said) of holding your breath and running...

Best of luck to everyone thinking of quitting :thumbsup:

But you'll still have it because people will simply smoke by the main gates and bus stops nearby, so its just shifting the 'gauntlet' elsewhere.

What about the 'gauntlet' of all the stinking car fumes you have to get through in order to get into Meadowhell? They'll do you much more harm!

There won't be such a concentration of smokers - have you ever been in the main entrance of the RHH?! I avoid it whenever possible...

My solution to Meadowhell is not to go :hihi:

There won't be such a concentration of smokers - have you ever been in the main entrance of the RHH?! I avoid it whenever possible...

My solution to Meadowhell is not to go :hihi:

Oh yeah! Now I smoke and even I find it nasty having to get through those crowds of people by the doors at RHH (though I understand staff are banned from smoking there - and I always go down to the bus turnaround for one when I'm up there - its off grounds and what? 30 seconds walk away?), and it can't be hygienic having people with dressings on and whatnot standing out there. I have to say there's a hardcore of people who will still smoke despite being in hospital (and fair enough, they may be in for something totally unrelated) so it might be better all round if they had a smoke room indoors, but one where only those not in for smoking related things could go. Doctors could issue a key. Then they could stuff the room with smoking cessation information and have a captive audience. But logic isn't happening with this issue, its got too hysterical. Interestingly, patients in mental health institutions are allowed to smoke indoors.

Smoking rooms are OK but for Gods sake why do the ventilators suck air in instead of blowing it out. It's the same in pubs.

Short of anything else they own the land so it's up to them.

If they don't want dirty filthy and often dangerous portable fires on their property I can't fault them.

I have to admit I took great delight in banning a smoker from my stage area in november. Outside it was but it was also crowded and his smoke and the danger of a burn was there for others to suffer.

The smoking bans have been enforced in some hospital grounds for years now- and they've managed to make it apply to patients and visitors as much as staff.

I'd be amazed if the Meadowhall managers are prepared to have the level of confrontation that hospital managers face about the whole thing though- after all, most people who are at the hospital aren't there through choice are they?
No. They'll be in hozzy as a result of smoking related disease no doubt :thumbsup:



Plenty of places outside Meadowhell for a smoke anyway, e.g. pop out to the riverside and have one there. Nobody's going to be bothered by smokers out there. :thumbsup:


Hey up! I walk that way to work so as to avoid the traffic fumes & enjoy a moment with nature before an 8 or 12 hour shift.

Last thing i need is holding my breath & running the gauntlet :hihi:

Most herion addicts can go shoplifting to Meadowhell without having to shoot up in the doorway, why can't nicotine addicts? :huh:

Most herion addicts can go shoplifting to Meadowhell without having to shoot up in the doorway, why can't nicotine addicts? :huh:

Classic :hihi:

I don't see how they can police all of Meadowhall, I used to smoke and will not preach to anyone to stop, you have to want to do it anyway, but I do think that smoking directly outside entrances to Meadowhall or any other shops is unsociable. In the car parks, no problem, like someone else said you can take evasive action but everyone has to walk through the entrances, including babies in pushchairs.

Oh yeah! Now I smoke and even I find it nasty having to get through those crowds of people by the doors at RHH (though I understand staff are banned from smoking there - and I always go down to the bus turnaround for one when I'm up there - its off grounds and what? 30 seconds walk away?), and it can't be hygienic having people with dressings on and whatnot standing out there. I have to say there's a hardcore of people who will still smoke despite being in hospital (and fair enough, they may be in for something totally unrelated) so it might be better all round if they had a smoke room indoors, but one where only those not in for smoking related things could go. Doctors could issue a key. Then they could stuff the room with smoking cessation information and have a captive audience. But logic isn't happening with this issue, its got too hysterical. Interestingly, patients in mental health institutions are allowed to smoke indoors.


Selecting patients who will be allowed to smoke is discriminatory and oppressive (sorry, I'm having anti-discriminatory and anti-oppressive practice thrown at me at the mo :gag: ) and not ethical. Anyway, by your argument the 'hardcore' will still smoke whether issued with a key or not. Whatever you're in hospital for, smoking will delay recovery. People sometimes have to take responsibility for their own health - healthcare professionals can't always wave a magic wand to solve health problems!

I work in meadowhall and was talking to 2 security guards there tonight and they were saying that smoking will be banned in june/july inside and OUTSIDE the meadowhall centre. is it possable that it can be banned outside, would it be poss for it to be a ban only on staff outside or customers also? would the same rule have to apply to both???

and if they are applying such bans would the sale of cigarettes also be banned??? I bet my last richmond they wouldnt!

well i think that a good idea because they are littel kids everywhere and its not good for them!!!! to backup this idea they wood need more secuity guards around meadowhell (meadowhall) inside and outside is it worth it:confused:

Try walking out of the main entrance/wind tunnel near Yorkshire Bank without getting a lungfull of carcnogens - It's disgusting. :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:

will, I get where u are comeing from but at the same time most people smoke near the doors and you got to feel for the children!!!!

Oh yeah! Now I smoke and even I find it nasty having to get through those crowds of people by the doors at RHH (though I understand staff are banned from smoking there - and I always go down to the bus turnaround for one when I'm up there - its off grounds and what? 30 seconds walk away?), and it can't be hygienic having people with dressings on and whatnot standing out there. I have to say there's a hardcore of people who will still smoke despite being in hospital (and fair enough, they may be in for something totally unrelated) so it might be better all round if they had a smoke room indoors, but one where only those not in for smoking related things could go. Doctors could issue a key. Then they could stuff the room with smoking cessation information and have a captive audience. But logic isn't happening with this issue, its got too hysterical. Interestingly, patients in mental health institutions are allowed to smoke indoors.

yes but theres no point in having a smoke room indoors because everytime that door opens the smoke will still manage to get out and if it is crowded then more smoke will be crammed together so more smoke will go into the hospital so yea why not walk outside it is a lot better for civilisation :loopy: :loopy: :loopy: :confused:

the sooner the better.....

ye the sooner the better i gess but at the same time it is not up 2 me it is up to the people that go there a lot.

Hey up! I walk that way to work so as to avoid the traffic fumes & enjoy a moment with nature before an 8 or 12 hour shift.

Last thing i need is holding my breath & running the gauntlet :hihi:

Most herion addicts can go shoplifting to Meadowhell without having to shoot up in the doorway, why can't nicotine addicts? :huh:

Hey, it could be doing you a service, just adding to your general levels of fitness as you speed up for a split second. :D Mind it's like a wind tunnel out there so you'd be unlucky to get a lungful of smoke, it disappears before you can even take a puff!

Anyway, the smack addicts go indoors to indulge, they shoot up in the bogs by the Oasis so I'm told. :suspect:

well i think that a good idea because they are littel kids everywhere and its not good for them!!!! to backup this idea they wood need more secuity guards around meadowhell (meadowhall) inside and outside is it worth it:confused:

They'd only be able to monitor the door areas (which is fair enough) but they'd never be able to monitor the whole site due to the sheer size and number of people, the place is full of nooks and crannies where people could go, plus there are people's private cars, it would be impossible. And what would they do if they did 'catch' someone? Ask for their name and address? People would lie. Or ask them to leave the site? They would just shrug and come back in another entrance.

I was once in meadowhall pushing my daughter in her pram when an inconsiderate smoker flicked ash in her face. Smoking should be banned in public full stop pollute your own atmospheres leave mine alone.

I gess but just as long as the kids are not effected i know that they will just come in another door because i have befor why not!?*

the sooner the better.....

will just because people say it is going to happen that dosen't mean it is going to happen at the end of the day realy it is the people that go there to diside "right":confused:

I'm an ex-smoker of 12 months now and my views are (and always have been) that smoking should be banned in places that people eat such as restaraunts. There's nothing worse than having to eat food with someones fag smoke blowing in your face.
The ban in Meadowhall didn't bother me at all as I had respect for people who didn't smoke and smoked only when outside the place in the car park.

To ban smoking outside Meadowhall is verging on being ridiculous and the UK is getting more like a police state every year!

As for all the people whinging about smelling the ciggy smoke outside the doors of Meadowhall, it makes me laugh! How can you start moaning about that when your on your way to your car that pumps out deadly carbons and poisonous fumes? I'd rather have a ciggy than take a drag on that crap!