recently got into an heated conversation with a work mate who is totally anti gay. ive no problem with anyone and tend 2 dislike people with bigoted views like he has. the point he was making which even tho i dislike the man was right was that if gay people want 2 be accepted as normal why do they shoot themselves in the foot by having gay bars. how does this help people intergrate and mix when they pigeon hole themselves in this way.what would happen if people started calling pubs straight pubs or fat lady bars ete.why cant gay people just go in pubs and have a drink, dont get it really im not against anyone but i think he had a point really.

I remember a time when we all had a drink in the same type of pub, there were no GAY pubs as such and gays didn't flaunt their sexuallity.
People just got on with life and if gays wanted to have a relationship with each other, they kept quiet and everyone was happy.
Why now? is there all this hysteria about homophobia and GAY marriage? also, GAY rights, personally, I get sick to death of hearing it and I am not interested anyway because I am straight.:loopy: :loopy: :loopy:

the point is i dont flaunt my sexuality because im straight so why is there a need 2 over do the gay issue in respect 2 having a drink, ie are there any straight bars anywhere.

Maybe..just maybe..(and someone can agree/disagree if they've experince of this) gay bars were started because people were fed up of going out to 'normal' bars (to use the brooksy's phrase) and getting snidey, homophobic comments and stares from people like you..and to say straight people don't 'flaunt' their sexuality..you only have to wonder round the streets of sheff later on tonight to see what people get up to! Why on earth should gay people 'keep quiet'

Already in a stroppy mood and the first comments on this thread have now tipped the balance.. I've just an hour on the phone to wannadoo trying to get my internet sorted out...wish I'd gone out now...though not gay may have decided to go to 'gay' bar to watch all the 'flaunting'! and enjoyed myself...please join the 21st century!

right then , thanks for that constructive post about gay bars.

Clubs for gays have certainly been around since the 1950s - any opressed group will always come together for mutual support.

When I was a student I found my local pub was actually a watering hole for the local gay community - oddly enough I met my wife there!

Gay bars and Gay pubs do have a different atmosphere. With regard to there being no straight bars - the majority don't advertise themselves as such, I guess. There are 'normal' bars that are effectively pick up pubs, there are 'straight' strip bars and lap dancing clubs, there are bars that cater to drinkers from a particular ethnic group or country and others that specialise in particular types of music.

Last night in Leeds I had a beer in a bar that was totally dedicated to South African sporting prowess, and also a coke in a 'rock' bar.

In other words there are bars for all types - if folks of a particular sexuality wish to gather in one place I don't see the problem - it certainly avoids potential embarassment when they try and chat someone up who ISN'T gay!

As an aside one of the best nights out I've ever had was in a gay bar in London, where myself and a film crew ended up after a press screening of some of our short films. It was really relaxed, good music, friendly folks. But then again I've had similar nights in 'straight' bars.

Oh, and both my wife and I are straight, by the way!

Joe

Originally posted by brooksy
right then , thanks for that constructive post about gay bars.

I presume that's pointed at me...and I think my rant was more directed at halevan anyway..I think your point is why can't gay people go into 'straight' bars and tucked away in my earlier response is the idea that at least in 'gay' bars some people will feel more comfortable to behave naturally and not get hassled by a certain element of the 'straight' population.

Originally posted by brooksy
the point is i dont flaunt my sexuality because im straight so why is there a need 2 over do the gay issue in respect 2 having a drink, ie are there any straight bars anywhere.

Let's face it, most pubs are 'straight' except in specific areas like Soho in London or the 'Gay Village' in Manchester - and certain publs in Sheffield, of course!

Flaunting one's sexuality is not a preserve of the gay community - unless all those girls on West Street wearing belts instead of skirts are actually gay......

Joe

Originally posted by JoePritchard
Let's face it, most pubs are 'straight' except in specific areas like Soho in London or the 'Gay Village' in Manchester - and certain publs in Sheffield, of course!

The Gay Village in Manchester has some of the best and trendiest bars in the city, and it's frequented by people of all persuasion.

Originally posted by alchresearch
The Gay Village in Manchester has some of the best and trendiest bars in the city, and it's frequented by people of all persuasion.

Which is how ALL bars/clubs etc should be!

BTW. I'm neither gay (in the sexual sense) nor homophobic, thankyou please....

Just goes to show the old fashioned views our Hal Elans has.
Hal - mate, you're from a different time. A time when people were say a little more god fearing and being gay was supposed to be something to be ashamed of.

In the 21st century I think it's about time we moved on from these views. The fact 'gay' bars exist is because people who are gay feel more relaxed in an environment where people are like minded.

You see there are people in this world (evidentaly) that still think the idea of some people being gay is disgusting. And if these people see a gay couple being affectionate with each other in public or your average bar (i.e. not dedicated gay friendly) some may shout abuse, threaten, be violent towards this couple.

Is that fair? Of course it's not. So a lot of gay people aren't comfortable being affectionate with each other in public through worry about something like the above happening. So they go to gay bars in order to be in a relaxed environment for them.

We're still in a world where it's not 100% accepted by all areas of society to be gay. While we still have these bigotted views we'll still have a need for venues such as gay bars so people can feel comfortable without the need to worry about being singled out.

Originally posted by JoePritchard
any opressed group will always come together for mutual support.


Is Niche an exception then? :D

Just because somebody dislikes the idea of gay people shouldn't make them target for being called homophobic etc.

Personally I couldnt give a flying ***** what they do or don't do, I dont neccessarily accept what they do, but then it doesnt bother me either as its not directly affecting me - having said that i don't think its fair for somebody to be called a homophobic (or being laballed) for their own personal views to which they have every right to voice. If there was no right to voice your opinion, most of the gay community would surely still be in the closet.

Everybody must respect each others right not to agree with them, but equally to let them get on with their own thing without having to be labelled.

Originally posted by brooksy
the point is i dont flaunt my sexuality because im straight so why is there a need 2 over do the gay issue in respect 2 having a drink, ie are there any straight bars anywhere.



Let me tell you friend that I do not STARE at gays or anyone else, I ignore them because what they do makes me vomit, but that is up to them.
Perhaps they are born that way, I don't know, I certainly do not wish to mix with them because I am embarrassed in their company, and that is my prerogative.

Originally posted by halevan
I remember a time when we all had a drink in the same type of pub, there were no GAY pubs as such and gays didn't flaunt their sexuallity.
People just got on with life and if gays wanted to have a relationship with each other, they kept quiet and everyone was happy.




How old are you?

605?

What year is this you can remember their being no gay bars?

Perhaps what you mean is you remember a time when the person you loved could make you a criminal and therefore gay bars tended to be kept a little on the secret side.

There was a fella on Nick @ Night a few weeks ago saying that he thought gay people weren't right in the head. He reckoned it was like an illness or something. These people need picking up and shaking for being so narrow minded and bigotted.

I've visited the gay scene a few times in the last couple of months, Dempseys karaoke on a Sunday, Climax once a month and last night I visited Club Xes for the first time with a female pal and some of my sister's mates that I'd met earlier on in the night. We had a great laugh and got no hassle at all. Until gay people feel totally comfortable to behave how they want to within straight bars then there will always be gay bars.

What I don't understand is people who moan about there being gay bars when they don't go in them anyway and wouldn't be seen dead in one? They say they'd rather have no gay bars and everyone should mix equally but if these people found themselves next to a couple of lads having an intimate moment in a straight bar I bet they'd be the first to complain (or vomit in halevan's case). You can't have it both ways mate. Live and let live. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by DaBouncer
Just goes to show the old fashioned views our Hal Elans has.
Hal - mate, you're from a different time. A time when people were say a little more god fearing and being gay was supposed to be something to be ashamed of.

In the 21st century I think it's about time we moved on from these views. The fact 'gay' bars exist is because people who are gay feel more relaxed in an environment where people are like minded.

You see there are people in this world (evidentaly) that still think the idea of some people being gay is disgusting. And if these people see a gay couple being affectionate with each other in public or your average bar (i.e. not dedicated gay friendly) some may shout abuse, threaten, be violent towards this couple.

Is that fair? Of course it's not. So a lot of gay people aren't comfortable being affectionate with each other in public through worry about something like the above happening. So they go to gay bars in order to be in a relaxed environment for them.

We're still in a world where it's not 100% accepted by all areas of society to be gay. While we still have these bigotted views we'll still have a need for venues such as gay bars so people can feel comfortable without the need to worry about being singled out.




I am just as up to date as you are mate and I have my own opinions and I don't need you to tell me what to think !!! I have lived a long time, a lot longer than you, I know and have known, before you were born what goes on and I don't now and have never agreed with perverts, gays, and the nastier side of life.

These kind of people are disgusting, what they practice is perversion and is not normal, "GAY" marriage indeed !!! how daft can you get, can two men or two women make a child together? of course not, so how can it be normal, if you think that it is, then you must be a screw loose !!!

Would you rather enage in homosexual or heterosexual sex !!! EH ? If you would then perhaps you would be better joining them, instead of spouting on here about how "NORMAL" gays are and how much you agree with perversion. "GAYS" should push B.O.G.O.F. and keep quiet. RIGHT !!!:loopy: :loopy: :loopy:

mod edit

I don't think anyone should bother replying to halevan...

Originally posted by halevan
I am just as up to date as you are mate and I have my own opinions and I don't need you to tell me what to think !!! I have lived a long time, a lot longer than you, I know and have known, before you were born what goes on and I don't now and have never agreed with perverts, gays, and the nastier side of life.

These kind of people are disgusting, what they practice is perversion and is not normal, "GAY" marriage indeed !!! how daft can you get, can two men or two women make a child together? of course not, so how can it be normal, if you think that it is, then you must be a screw loose !!!

Would you rather enage in homosexual or heterosexual sex !!! EH ? If you would then perhaps you would be better joining them, instead of spouting on here about how "NORMAL" gays are and how much you agree with perversion. "GAYS" should push B.O.G.O.F. and keep quiet. RIGHT !!!:loopy: :loopy: :loopy:

If this is your genuine view then i'm very, very sorry for you. Grouping 'gays' with perverts is like grouping salt with sand instead of pepper. You imply from your post that you are of a 'mature' age - if that's the case, start acting your age. Society's values have moved on since your era matey.

I'm not gay and can't begin to get round the idea of going after men as opposed to women, but just because that's someone else's preference, i'm not going to think any less of them for it. I Its THEIR choice and what they do does not concern you.

Are you an R.E.M, Scissor Sisters, George Michael or Elton John fan? Well they're all screaming benders, so perhaps we should burn all their CD's, seize all their assets and send them to boot camp til they grow out of this stupid phase of their lives!

Are you this narrow-minded with everything else you disagree with BTW? And do you get on with people, period?

Originally posted by halevan
I am just as up to date as you are mate and I have my own opinions and I don't need you to tell me what to think !!! I have lived a long time, a lot longer than you, I know and have known, before you were born what goes on and I don't now and have never agreed with perverts, gays, and the nastier side of life.

These kind of people are disgusting, what they practice is perversion and is not normal, "GAY" marriage indeed !!! how daft can you get, can two men or two women make a child together? of course not, so how can it be normal, if you think that it is, then you must be a screw loose !!!

Would you rather push your penis up another mans behind ? or prefer to push it up a womans vagina !!! EH ? If you would then perhaps you would be better joining them, instead of spouting on here about how "NORMAL" gays are and how much you agree with perversion. "GAYS" should push B.O.G.O.F. and keep quiet. RIGHT !!!:loopy: :loopy: :loopy:

The lady doth protest too much, methinks

:D

I don't know SF's policy on banning members but I think someone needs a little break to think about respectful dialogue.

Hal, I edited the last part of your post for the sake of the sensibilities of other forum members, but I think your views are important enough that others hear them.

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
Hal, I edited the last part of your post for the sake of the sensibilities of other forum members, but I think your views are important enough that others hear them.

This topic was discussing Gay bars and whether they integrate or segregate communities.


halevan’s vomit inducing hatred of homosexuality attracted him to this thread and his last post contributed nothing to the debate on gay Bars, instead it was an offensive tirade against the Gay Community.

The presence of such vile and aggressive comments as his mean an open and free discussion about Gay Bars can no longer take place. His homophobic rant has corrupted this topic and wile it remains i will join three Colours and not take any further part in this thread.

It is clear that halevan wants to persecute the gay community for being the perverts he judges them to be. I am sad that he is allowed to do so on a forum which is meant to be open to people of all sexualities.

Thank you to all members who have raised an objection against this post.

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
This topic was discussing Gay bars and whether they integrate or segregate communities.


halevan’s vomit inducing hatred of homosexuality attracted him to this thread and his last post contributed nothing to the debate on gay Bars, instead it was an offensive tirade against the Gay Community.

The presence of such vile and aggressive comments as his mean an open and free discussion about Gay Bars can no longer take place. His homophobic rant has corrupted this topic and wile it remains i will join three Colours and not take any further part in this thread.

It is clear that halevan wants to persecute the gay community for being the perverts he judges them to be. I am sad that he is allowed to do so on a forum which is meant to be open to people of all sexualities.

Thank you to all members who have raised an objection against this post.

Perhaps I should rephrase myself:

I kept hals post largely intact because I think it important that people who think this sort of thing make us aware of who they are.

well, yes, like it or not, halevan did post something useful.

He illustrated perfectly how we still live in a bigoted world, and how people draw on the "sunday sport" for intellectual stimulation.

It's sometimes easy to take things for granted if your family and friends are all reasonable, intelligent and thoughtful people - you can start to forget what sort of ignorant, obnoxious and downright "bad eggs" there are out there.

So thanks for that hal

((and no I'm not gay - and I don't frequent gay bars. But only becaue I stopped listening to Erasure and Gloria Gaynor years ago!! xD j/k! - but last time I went with a friend to a "gay night" that was what they were playing - and I thought it was a stereotype))

Originally posted by halevan
I am just as up to date as you are mate and I have my own opinions and I don't need you to tell me what to think !!! I have lived a long time, a lot longer than you, I know and have known, before you were born what goes on and I don't now and have never agreed with perverts, gays, and the nastier side of life.


Theres also a lot of ignorant and intolerable old people about, which seem to be homophobic for some reason, just hope for your sake when you get really old and cant look after yourself, or you get mugged in the street, you dont need the help of these so called "nastier side of life" people

Back to the original post ;)

Gay bars help people find like minded partners.

As my brother is finding out, it is difficult to know who is gay if they are straight acting.

He finds gay bars a place he is accepted and everyone in the bars are either gay or accepting of the gay lifestyle, so no chance of being beat up for making a pass at the wrong guy.

PS. Although Halevan sounds like a closet gay, the gay community would not want him, they have more style & intelligence than he will ever hope to achieve ;)

Originally posted by genesiscouch
I don't know SF's policy on banning members but I think someone needs a little break to think about respectful dialogue.

I don't agree with Hal, but to suggest banning him is little short of fascism. Aren't people allowed their own point of view here any longer? I thought this was supposed to be a discussion forum?

Get a grip, please!

Originally posted by mojoworking
I don't agree with Hal, but to suggest banning him is little short of fascism. Aren't people allowed their own point of view here any longer? I thought this was supposed to be a discussion forum?

Get a grip, please!

Sorry mojoworking but I don't think you read my post correctly. I have no problem with what halevans said even if I disagree with him, I have a problem in the way it was said. In all subjects, but particularly in sensitive topics, there is a need for constructive and respectful dialogue. The point is, as you note, that it is supposed to be a discussion forum and to discuss we need to be able to talk with each other irrespective of where we stand on an issue. I personally think halevans needs to step back and contemplate more respectful and ultimately effective ways of communicating his perspective.

And to move away from the immediate issue...raising the spectre of fascism is not entirely accurate. There is even a legal definition between free speech and hate speech. Anyways, halevans post falls just as close to a non-political definition of fascist.

Originally posted by genesiscouch
Sorry mojoworking but I don't think you read my post correctly. I have no problem with what halevans said even if I disagree with him, I have a problem in the way it was said. In all subjects, but particularly in sensitive topics, there is a need for constructive and respectful dialogue. The point is, as you note, that it is supposed to be a discussion forum and to discuss we need to be able to talk with each other irrespective of where we stand on an issue. I personally think halevans needs to step back and contemplate more respectful and ultimately effective ways of communicating his perspective.

And to move away from the immediate issue...raising the spectre of fascism is not entirely accurate. There is even a legal definition between free speech and hate speech. Anyways, halevans post falls just as close to a non-political definition of fascist.

Point taken, although I must say you'll hear views like Hal's everywhere. I don't think we should get too precious about it.

What he said wasn't aimed at anyone in particular, so no real harm was done. Just put it down to the rantings of an old duffer and let's laugh it off. You'll hear a lot worse than that in the pubs and clubs of Sheffield.

Hal Evans is from an old world with ancient and unwavering views on sexuality.
He shouldn't be banned (although genesiscouch' comments about allowing him a break may be a good idea ;) ) he should be educated. However, can you teach an old dog new tricks?

Hal I don't hate you for your comments, nor will I respond with details of my own sexuality (but to say I'm married to a beautiful woman speaks for itself :lol: ).

Hal people who are gay are not perverted or part of a 'nastier side of life'. If someone is gay they just happen to have different preferences in their life partners. Is that such a problem?

Your posts reminds me of a character from Harry Enfield and Chums. Jeurgen the German waiting for a bus. To cut a long story short the bus doesn't turn up on time as written on the bus time table and Jeurgen shouts: "Zis Vould Never Have Happened Under Zi Nazi's" :lol:

Originally posted by dinp
Are you an R.E.M, Scissor Sisters, George Michael or Elton John fan? Well they're all screaming benders, so perhaps we should burn all their CD's, seize all their assets and send them to boot camp til they grow out of this stupid phase of their lives!
REM are gay?

Michael Stipe is, I believe, bisexual.....

But the sexuality of musicians should be irrelevant - it's what they produce that matters!

Joe

Hal, I'd be interested to know what your take is on John Inman.

i think hal is entitled to is opinion however extreme we may think it is. people have differant views on all aspects of life but as soon as any comments or opinions on thegay subject are brought up it brings a massive pro gay stampede. i dont really care either way live and let live but as i said hals opinions are what he thinksand thats what these forums are about.

So if some people on the forum thought it was OK to post anti white comments accusing white people of being part of a nastier part of life or for that matter black people we should allow it?

What if someone who is a supporter of Osama Bin Ladens hench men were to come on and start preaching how all westerners should be bombed and their heads cut off would that be ok too.

You know because it's in keeping with the forums 'free speech' policy?

Gimme break. I'm not saying he's not entitled to his opinion, but some things should not be allowed on here and censored accordingly.

At the end of the day some of Hals comments are more like an incitement to hatred (borderline comments at the very least). And it has nothing to do with being 'Pro Gay', it's just having a common sense and what I would call a 'normal grasp' of what humanity should be view.

i take your pointbut as i said youve made your point and so as he. whether you agree with him or not is irrelevent and your or my opinion dosnt make him wrong and us right.

In my experience opinions like "gays, and the nasty side of life" will only lead to trouble for the person.

He/She will have cause to come into contact with these people at some point in their life which will humble them.

KARMA !

NEVER SAY NEVER !

DIVINE RETRIBUTION !

whatever you want to call it, these are lessons we all have to learn many times in our lives.

So leave them to their opinions and just sit and wait. We may never know, but have faith that it will and does happen.

Originally posted by brooksy
i think hal is entitled to is opinion however extreme we may think it is. people have differant views on all aspects of life but as soon as any comments or opinions on thegay subject are brought up it brings a massive pro gay stampede. i dont really care either way live and let live but as i said hals opinions are what he thinksand thats what these forums are about.

I'd say that the comments posted here have been pretty balanced - not a massive pro-gay stampede.

I've had good experiences visiting pubs and bars that are primarily patroned by the gay community - I've also had some bad ones. I've also spent a lot of time and had great pleasure form 'straight' pubs and bars.

I don't detect a 'gay mafia' stopping comment and discussion on the subject; I do see that some people need to learn how to debate in a civilised manner and with the use of respectful language if they wish to win a debate.

Joe

I accept gays exist and won't be branded homophobic for admitting that I find the idea of 2 men kissing (& more) each other totally repulsive. I have no problem with them as people and they certainly don't deserve any abuse or intolerance. If I saw a gay couple in the street kissing I'd probably privately cringe, but wouldn't resort to insulting them or showing any kind of prejudice. I'll probably get abuse for saying this but I suppose I find it disgusting in the same way I would find seeing a man being affectionate with a 25 stone female. I suppose it's because I really can't empathise with gays that I find what they do so disgusting and unnatural, but they can't help it anymore than I can help not being gay.

good poast to2o , someone actually saying what they think without being aggresive and nasty. i think people 2 often dress things up instead of actually saying what they meen , be it pro something or against it.

Originally posted by t020
I accept gays exist and won't be branded homophobic for admitting that I find the idea of 2 men kissing (& more) each other totally repulsive. I have no problem with them as people and they certainly don't deserve any abuse or intolerance. If I saw a gay couple in the street kissing I'd probably privately cringe, but wouldn't resort to insulting them or showing any kind of prejudice. I'll probably get abuse for saying this but I suppose I find it disgusting in the same way I would find seeing a man being affectionate with a 25 stone female. I suppose it's because I really can't empathise with gays that I find what they do so disgusting and unnatural, but they can't help it anymore than I can help not being gay.

Thanks for that comment..I think it may show Hal and other forums users that you can express an opinion and not do so in an v offensive way... I don't intend to 'shout you down' as you are entitled to your own opinion...As a woman I couldnt personnally abide the idea of 'going' with another woman...just as I spose lesbians can' t abide sleeping with a man. This doesn't mean that either behaviour is more or less right just different (or that either type of bar is better!)

As already said..its not necessarily the opinion that someone has got (although Hal has gone way over the top...) its also about how the opinion is expressed. This is why I think Phan kept Hals comments on the board but deleted some of the 'expressions' he used as they were offensive for a public forum.

Originally posted by JoePritchard
I'd say that the comments posted here have been pretty balanced - not a massive pro-gay stampede.

I've had good experiences visiting pubs and bars that are primarily patroned by the gay community - I've also had some bad ones. I've also spent a lot of time and had great pleasure form 'straight' pubs and bars.

I don't detect a 'gay mafia' stopping comment and discussion on the subject; I do see that some people need to learn how to debate in a civilised manner and with the use of respectful language if they wish to win a debate.

Joe




My comments on gays were not intendes to be personal, a member of a friends family left his wife and two boys to go and live with a man he met on the internet, his wife and family were devastated, I was in his company at his home before he left and he is a nice man, my ladyfriend and I both liked him and if I saw him now, I would speak to him.

I do not wish any harm to anyone, including gays, but I still say that what they do with each other, makes me vomit and it does, so it is no use me saying otherwise. It is nothing to do with me what they do and I believe in live and let live, but in a discussion on this Forum I have the right to express my opinion just the same as anyone else and other people have no right to abuse me for my views, because if they do, then I am entitled to abuse them back.

Originally posted by halevan

... but in a discussion on this Forum I have the right to express my opinion just the same as anyone else and other people have no right to abuse me for my views, because if they do, then I am entitled to abuse them back.

Yes, Hal you do have a right to an opinion (however misguided!) I just think we all need to take care about how we express them...I stand by my earlier comment that your opinion is offensive (to me anyway) but it was also expressed in an offensive manner (hence Phan editing it). As regarding 'abusing' people - I only recently joined the forum but I think its a place to contact people, have a chat/laugh and express differing views that can be challenged..its not about 'abusing' people but challenging their views.

That's my pennyworth on this subject done I think.

PS but as I'm sure you're aware hal - the one bad (gay) apple you have come across as a family friend does not mean they are all bad!

Halevan,

Sorry you had a bad experience; but people of all sexual orientations do bad things to those around them. All of us have limits and borders beyond which we don't ourselves go and where we're uncomfortable to see others go - that's just being human.

The variation between us is what makes life worth living - all I would say, though, is that sometimes it's better to call a spade a 'manually propelled vertical earth slicer' rather than a f***ing shovel.

Joe

Originally posted by halevan
My comments on gays were not intendes to be personal, a member of a friends family left his wife and two boys to go and live with a man he met on the internet, his wife and family were devastated, I was in his company at his home before he left and he is a nice man, my ladyfriend and I both liked him and if I saw him now, I would speak to him.

I do not wish any harm to anyone, including gays, but I still say that what they do with each other, makes me vomit and it does, so it is no use me saying otherwise. It is nothing to do with me what they do and I believe in live and let live, but in a discussion on this Forum I have the right to express my opinion just the same as anyone else and other people have no right to abuse me for my views, because if they do, then I am entitled to abuse them back.

To be fair I thought the above post of Halevan's was alot more suitable for the forum and he put his views across sensibly instead of just being down-right offensive and narrow minded as before. I prefer your latest (watered-down) version Halevan and find it easier to respect it when you put it that way, whether I agree with it or not. :)

Getting back to the thread...
I know why there are gay bars.
I am as straight as they come. But I've frequented many gay bars with friends and guess what...

They're fun! So much so that I often wish that us straight people could be as flamboyant, fun and less inhibited.

This kind of fun might not be everyone's cuppa. But if I was gay and looking for a decent night out with the bonus of a shag at the end of it (come on, I admit it, if I were single, early 20s no strings attached and up for a bit of fun) then I wouldn't bother with a comparatively boring straight bar.

Originally posted by Mr_E
Getting back to the thread...
I know why there are gay bars.
I am as straight as they come. But I've frequented many gay bars with friends and guess what...

They're fun! So much so that I often wish that us straight people could be as flamboyant, fun and less inhibited.

...and they can spot a straight guy a mile off - talk about Gaydar! When I go out with my 'mo mates (I watch Will and Grace!) I don't get them coming onto me. Looking like my avatar may have something to do with it though ;)

Mince. Gay bars/clubs rock there is never any trouble (apart from the odd domestic tiff) all of my straight mates male and female love the attitude free party atmosphere. As well do the gays!

I accept gays exist and won't be branded homophobic for admitting that I find the idea of 2 men kissing (& more) each other totally repulsive. I have no problem with them as people and they certainly don't deserve any abuse or intolerance. If I saw a gay couple in the street kissing I'd probably privately cringe, but wouldn't resort to insulting them or showing any kind of prejudice. I'll probably get abuse for saying this but I suppose I find it disgusting in the same way I would find seeing a man being affectionate with a 25 stone female. I suppose it's because I really can't empathise with gays that I find what they do so disgusting and unnatural, but they can't help it anymore than I can help not being gay.


I find public displays of hetrosexual affection offensive. I'm not hetrophobic but I dont like the idea of it either. Disgusting? Unnatural? What makes it unnatural? Apart from the fact homosexuality has been around since time began, it's hardly 'unnatural' relgion, predjudice and lack of education has weened the mass populas to believe that it is so. Although saying that buddhism has no problem with it whatsoever. It is digusting to you in your world and mind but not many others.

Unnatural? What makes it unnatural?

Sex is nature's way of propagating the species. Sex between two males cannot possibly propagate the species, so it has nothing to do with nature.

It's natural to a homosexual person, because he is genetically disposed that way; but it's not "natural" to the race.

Get 'em girlfriend

I still say that what they do with each other, makes me vomit and it does.

halevan,

have you ever asked yourself why people; who you've never met and who you'll never know, make you vomit?

I wonder if it does actually make him vomit, literally. Like that terrible old lady on Little Britain.

We also have golf clubs and even model railway societies. In both of these examples we have sad old men who get together because of a mutual interest. I don't insist in being able to take part in their segregated activities because I find two men sitting all night talking about trains to be repulsive, and golf to be a good walk spoiled. If people are allowed to get together in a club and talk about hitting a ball with a stick then I don't see why you shouldn't be able to meet up and talk about that days homosexual activities.

My comments on gays were not intendes to be personal, a member of a friends family left his wife and two boys to go and live with a man he met on the internet, his wife and family were devastated, I was in his company at his home before he left and he is a nice man, my ladyfriend and I both liked him and if I saw him now, I would speak to him.
A good friend of mines wife left him and their two children for another man does this mean I should hate heterosexuals?

God yes, with their unnatural ways and their conservative dress styles and their disdain for musical theatre. Urgh!

p.s. I am not a gay.

I am just as up to date as you are mate and I have my own opinions and I don't need you to tell me what to think !!! I have lived a long time, a lot longer than you, I know and have known, before you were born what goes on and I don't now and have never agreed with perverts, gays, and the nastier side of life.
What's 'nasty' about homosexuality?

These kind of people are disgusting, what they practice is perversion and is not normal, "GAY" marriage indeed !!! how daft can you get, can two men or two women make a child together? of course not, so how can it be normal, if you think that it is, then you must be a screw loose !!!
So I take it you think infertile heterosexuals, post-menopausal women and heterosexuals who don’t want children should all be banned from marrying?

Would you rather enage in homosexual or heterosexual sex !!! EH ? If you would then perhaps you would be better joining them, instead of spouting on here about how "NORMAL" gays are and how much you agree with perversion. "GAYS" should push B.O.G.O.F. and keep quiet. RIGHT !!!:loopy: :loopy: :loopy:

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By having gay bars homosexuals are effectively ‘bogging off and keeping quiet’ so why exactly so you object to them?

This is a really really really old thread . :rolleyes:

This is a really really really old thread . :rolleyes:

I really must learn to check the dates on posts!!!!

I had started reading this from the beginning and then when I saw a reference to something "on Nick@Night last week", I thought *&%$$*$*$
I've been caught again!

We can see the date of the last post on the "Thread List".
Why can't we be shown the date of the thread's creation?

This is a really really really old thread . :rolleyes:

It is yes, it caught me out at first, then I realised the dates.

But we not had one of these "lets hate the gays" threads for ages. Must be that time of the month. :) :thumbsup:

I dunno why people are digging up old threads. I suppose you can talk about the subject, but don't expect to get a reply from someone from two years ago by quoting them.

[Added] SpiderPete, I agree with you. Also maybe cos of S.A.D. too.

Old threads are the best Bango, whats funnier than the "Things Moms say" thread..........I still haven't read it all yet.

Surprised to see Gayham here as well. His gaydar must have tempted him out of hiding. How's tricks mi old mucka? :D

Another one here who didn't notice the dates on the posts, ooppps.