Anyone else a big fan of the graffiti rabbits and cats found all around the Ecce Rd side of town? (Like my avatar).

They really cheer up my walk to work everyday.. I'd love to thank whoever does them. They're really cool.

Bit of a debate going on as to what it actually is.. I say Rabbit.. but could be a dog.. or a cat..

looks like nessie to me

never seen that noe but i'm a big fan of the cats. The person who does them held an exhibtion last year but i never made it.


They cheer up the gloomy streets.

I think it's the same design which I've been seeing all over Nottingham :confused:

There is some great grafiti which has gone up round Shalesmoor / Infirmary Rd area, its been added to billboard posters and is pretty funny.
Have a crap memory tho and cant remember any off hand

Originally posted by SilentStatic
I think it's the same design which I've been seeing all over Nottingham :confused:

Really whereabouts?

Have you seen the "Star Wars" anti war mural at the bottom of Hockley.

Well worth looking out for next time your around Nottingham

I'm always gutted when the council clean them off.. there was a HUGE cat down the subway near safeways ecce rd for ages.. then it was wiped out.. :-(

They look really similar in style to some NY Sushi artwork.. which I'm always a fan of.

Been to the Kid Acne exhibition at DULO recently.. thats all excellent too.. but the Cat/Rabbit guy is my favourite!

They should leave up good graffiti as an example to people who just tag, encourage them to be more creative and respectful.

I’d much rather walk streets decorated with art then just grey concrete.


Their was an amazing mural of Jarvis cocker in the subway next an Arundel gate, was that council commissioned because it was never cleaned off. Until the subway was filled in that is.

I would gladly shoot any of these vandals. They ruin other peoples property without a second thought and make the place look like an unsightly slum.
If I ever catch one spraying paint over my property . . . .

proper grafiti art isn't done on peoples private property, I can understand why you may feel animosity to taggers as it is a bit crap really, but some of the proper art is really creative.

We used to have the cat in the hat popping up on walls round where we used to live.
I love grafiti with a sense of humor:)

I like them but rather see them on public buildings than private homes... There are some on London Road, a bright black one on the computer shop which has blue and yellow signs :)

i've asked this on other forums i use but have had no luck, i'm looking for a proper graffiti artist to design & spray paint me a wall of art in my living room or kitchen (for £'s).

if anyone knows of any could you contact me via PM thank you!

the rabbit/cat creature is well sweet! I really like it too, has a cheeky look about it. More crabbits please!

I don't like general tagging, that just looks **** and scruffy, but proper graffiti art brightens up some otherwise unsightly places like subways.

There are some very talented graffiti artists out there. I have also noticed this one character around and I must say that the sight of it makes me smile! Incidentally, has anyone been seeing the word 'love' marked all over the place downtown???

This is the website of an extremely talented artist who does some graffiti as well (look in the "canvas" section).
nokturnal studio (http://www.nokturnalstudio.com)

Graffiti should be cleaned up ASAP and the culprits put behind bars. That will stop them doing it and ruining other peoples' property, as well as the look and feel of a place - visual pollution.

Graffiti is Art, close-minded people need to realise this, and realise how much talent these people have. i have seen the "love" spread around, its cool. There is some gorgeous art on the nokturnal website .

Around Meersbrook there's a silouette of a bloke standing up that looks cool. Sometimes he's wearing a cap and sometimes he's with a lady. Class :cool:

I actually think the cats a dog.

I hate the way huge billboards are allowed to fill our lives with pointless, soulless images but as soon as someone creates a piece of art, for no other reason then improving the surroundings their classed as criminals and people want to shoot them.

To me seeing the same bikini clad women on every bus stop, every day, is pollution, but seeing a unique and creative image is often the highlight of my day.

Originally posted by J-Blaze
Around Meersbrook there's a silouette of a bloke standing up that looks cool. Sometimes he's wearing a cap and sometimes he's with a lady. Class :cool:

I actually think the cats a dog.

You should look up some of Nemo's work, sounds like someone influenced by them.

The difference is that advertisers pay to hire bilboards for their advertisements so they have the legal right to use them. Private property, public buildings, walls, etc etc should not be used for some peoples' version of "art". By all means, graffiti artists could hire out some boards themselves, or carry out their work in private and display it at shows and galleries. But to impose it illegally on everyone else is arrogant, selfish, thoughtless and inconsiderate.

Originally posted by t020
The difference is that advertisers pay to hire bilboards for their advertisements so they have the legal right to use them. Private property, public buildings, walls, etc etc should not be used for some peoples' version of "art". By all means, graffiti artists could hire out some boards themselves, or carry out their work in private and display it at shows and galleries. But to impose it illegally on everyone else is arrogant, selfish, thoughtless and inconsiderate.

fly posters don't though, and their poorly designed adverts are left to peel and rot long after the event.

Congratulations to Stockport Council who have been pasting a big yellow "CANCELLED" sticker over them!

Originally posted by t020
The difference is that advertisers pay to hire bilboards for their advertisements so they have the legal right to use them. Private property, public buildings, walls, etc etc should not be used for some peoples' version of "art". By all means, graffiti artists could hire out some boards themselves, or carry out their work in private and display it at shows and galleries. But to impose it illegally on everyone else is arrogant, selfish, thoughtless and inconsiderate.



I just find something wonderfully democratic about street art.

You don’t need any money, you don't need any reputation in the art world, you don't need any approval, yet you can send out your message and spread your ideas to thousands of people every day.


People like this: www.banksy.co.uk seem to loose something as soon as their stuff appears in galleries, but I'm starting to sound like a Shoreditich **** so I'll stop

Originally posted by alchresearch
fly posters don't though, and their poorly designed adverts are left to peel and rot long after the event.

Congratulations to Stockport Council who have been pasting a big yellow "CANCELLED" sticker over them!


Fly posters are illegal too aren't they? If not, they should be. They look almost as bad as graffiti, especially after a downpour.

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
I just find something wonderfully democratic about street art.



How so? Imposing "work" on other people is hardly democratic. Perhaps they should do a poll of locals in the vicinity that have to live near, work near, walk past, etc, their supposed artwork? Maybe then we would have a democratic outcome (and I think we both know the result).

Originally posted by t020
The difference is that advertisers pay to hire bilboards for their advertisements so they have the legal right to use them.

Democratic in the sense everyone can do it, ordinary artists can share their ideas, not just the corporations and businesses with advertising budgets

Originally posted by t020
Imposing "work" on other people is hardly democratic. Perhaps they should do a poll of locals in the vicinity that have to live near, work near, walk past, etc, their supposed artwork? Maybe then we would have a democratic outcome (and I think we both know the result).

Interesting idea.

I walked past a Mosque the other day in Peterborough and an advert which featured a naked lady had been wallpapered pasted over. I’ve seen similar things in Sheffield.


Maybe if the communities were asked people might actually prefer some nice pictures of cats etc, which are created with the purpose of improving the area, rather then such images which many people find offensive.

I remember the roundabout shere Office World is where it was an under and over access before it got filled in had a nice long-lasting artwork - I liked it most and can remember some of it, the most distinguishing feature was the Visa logo with a blood? type affect as if signifying it being dirty/corrupt...

No matter what you look at, wither it being Michelangelo, the "graffiti mobs" or whomever - in their art/mess they have a point to make - some may not make it the correct way but each of us will look at it in our own ways with our own perspective, either apreciatingly, depreciatingly, shopper, visitor-to-this-fair-maybee-town, commuter, other - but as we look at the 'art' we should in my view think what makes people devote time and money to the more extensive work, expressionism? Putting past us a point? Making thinks seem less bleak?

I'm not saying I would not be happy if my house got a "re-design" but also I would be interested in the motives - remember modern art is more obscure than most - more odd and sometimes worse than the graffiti in my view.

Take care all

Remember FISTA?, he got caught and banged up, now that is very democratic and the way forward if you ask me.

Its not art,its vandalism and its crap, maybe i should go and smash up the Town Centre and claim I did it to express myself.

Originally posted by t020
Graffiti should be cleaned up ASAP and the culprits put behind bars. That will stop them doing it and ruining other peoples' property, as well as the look and feel of a place - visual pollution.

agree totally with to20 there, if you wanna do art then take a bloody art course or something.

Don't go ruining peoples property and/or make the council have to spend money to get rid of your vandalism. :nono:

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
Interesting idea.

I walked past a Mosque the other day in Peterborough and an advert which featured a naked lady had been wallpapered pasted over. I’ve seen similar things in Sheffield.


Maybe if the communities were asked people might actually prefer some nice pictures of cats etc, which are created with the purpose of improving the area, rather then such images which many people find offensive.

Well I am no prude, but I would not want a naked human body on display, whether outside a mosque or not.

I do not want bare bodies "in my face", advertising whatever it is they advertise.

I do think that the people/ persons who put the wallpapaar across the naked female on the offensive poster were actually quite clever, and innovative.

You are not actually defacing the billboard, as such, you are simply "covering the modesty" of the female on the billboard, and shielding "sensitive" eyes from seeing what could be offensive.
(and the advertiser still has his advertisement on display.)

PT

I don't see how unwanted graffiti is anything but misguided.

To give them any acknowledgement for artistic content just allows them to derogate their responsibility to the rest of the community. The tiny minority that has some worth is far outweighed by the rest of the tat.

http://www.willbradz.8m.com/photo.html
http://www.banksy.co.uk/outdoors/vandalism.html

Art? I don't think so.

you wanna see more? check www.kidacne.com

good eh?

Originally posted by t020
Graffiti should be cleaned up ASAP and the culprits put behind bars. That will stop them doing it and ruining other peoples' property, as well as the look and feel of a place - visual pollution.

Um, no.

They should stop them doing it yeah, but put them behind bars?! WTF are you smoking?!

Kids only graffiti-ise stuff cos they're bored, give them something to do other than grafitti-ing and they'll stop doing it.

Capiche?

Umm yes, Graffiti is Vandalism/Criminal Damage, therefore its a crime.
Unless im mistaken, in this country if you commit a crime you are punished by way of the law.

Being bored is no reason to break the law, but it seams some people will always use this as a way of defence for their actions.

Oh well im bored now, so its off to Halfords for some spray paint and ill spen a few hours decorating Howden House, its all in the name of Art you see im sure the council and the council tax payers will understand.

Originally posted by Tony
I don't see how unwanted graffiti is anything but misguided.

To give them any acknowledgement for artistic content just allows them to derogate their responsibility to the rest of the community. The tiny minority that has some worth is far outweighed by the rest of the tat.

http://www.willbradz.8m.com/photo.html
http://www.banksy.co.uk/outdoors/vandalism.html

Art? I don't think so.
The actual langue of a lot of graf art is beyond me - just colourful, disorted shapes, comic book characters and almost unreadably convoluted script. The poorly executed stuff is dross, but the skillfully done pieces are still admirable for their technique, if not their content.

But banksy uses much more widely understood metaphors and allusions. His work is political and artistic, humorous and uncomfortable. Especially when you just stumble accross one.

Tagging, that scruffy post adolescent habit of marking your peregrinations with spray paint instead of urine, should be pretty easy to solve as a problem. Given that the taggers are actually tryng to identify themselves to everyone (as what, god only knows) . Shouldn't be too hard to work out who they are and which ones need to be brought to book.
by tango2
Umm yes, Graffiti is Vandalism/Criminal Damage, therefore its a crime.
Unless im mistaken, in this country if you commit a crime you are punished by way of the law..

It's a common misconception, but to be punished by the law, you have to be caught and proved to be guilty beyond reasonable doubt as well as actually comitting the crime. Everyone is at complete liberty to break the law, providing they are prepared to face the penalty for doing so. It is, as they say, a free country.

I also like stuff like this
http://subvertise.org/img_med/751.jpg

this http://subvertise.org/img_med/428.jpg

this http://subvertise.org/details.php?code=47

etc.

Tagging is juvenile and not condusive to anything positive.

Graffiti sometimes good sometimes bad.

Graffiti art I personally like a lot of it.

As far as the billboard argument goes: Ok the companies pay for the space because they have the money.

But saying that it does not mean that it isn't forced upon us in the same way that graffiti art is. I know which my preference is and it isn't seeing "pot noodle the slag of fast food" and other such campaigns like MacDonalds.

But billboards are controlled and confined, and have their own space. Graffiti, even if "art" in some eyes, takes place on private property or public property enjoyed by tax paying locals (e.g. park benches). It has no controls over it and makes places look dirty and undesirable. The culprits are nothing other than vandals. If they wish to express themselves so much they should set up as artists and sell their work to the misguided people who actually like it. Then these people can enjoy the trash in their own home without subjecting everyone else to it.

Originally posted by t020
But billboards are controlled and confined, and have their own space. Graffiti, even if "art" in some eyes, takes place on private property or public property enjoyed by tax paying locals (e.g. park benches). It has no controls over it and makes places look dirty and undesirable. The culprits are nothing other than vandals. If they wish to express themselves so much they should set up as artists and sell their work to the misguided people who actually like it. Then these people can enjoy the trash in their own home without subjecting everyone else to it.

Setting up as an artist costs MONEY though, not all of us live in affluent areas like Fulwood and Eccleshall with your posh cars and flash well paid jobs.

Originally posted by Rich
Setting up as an artist costs MONEY though, not all of us live in affluent areas like Fulwood and Eccleshall with your posh cars and flash well paid jobs.

I'm not sure how much it would cost to start up as an artist, but presume it would be cheaper than numerous graffiti fines and also the cost to the environment in terms of visual pollution. As far as I know, paper isn't too expensive and they already have the spraycans of paint. There are also galleries to display their work in, schemes to help artists, and of course thanks to the internet there is a good, free method of displaying artwork to a very wide audience.

All that aside, most things in life cost money but most people have the decency to not ruin property if they can't afford them. I'll also overlook the (yet another) pathetic jibe and deliberate mispelling, but I really am growing tired of it and wish the moderators would get you under control.

That will stop them doing it and ruining other peoples' property, as well as the look and feel of a place - visual pollution.

Is this the Planning Department we're talking about?

Imagine a world where everyone was able to express themselves and reach out to others. I don't mean by painting on someone else's property. But at the moment the only people able to do this is large corporations filling our heads about how we should all look and what we should eat etc. Apart from them the only others with that abillity are street artists.

I'm not pro tagging but I'd rather see a piece of nice artwork on a wall than something telling me I should shave with that etc.

If an advertiser wants to put up an advert he has to get permission and pay, whereas the tw+t that spray painted COCKMASTER in 20' letters on the building opposite where I work didn't and I know the building owner wouldn't have given permission and didn't receive payment.

There is no way that anyone can pass this off as art or free expression, they are criminals who ruin other peoples property and spoil other peoples environment. The cost of removing all of their childish cr+p is unbelievable and would easily fund a gallery or art workshop for people GENUINELY interested in art. The graffitti scum take this option away from artists with their selfish me me me behaviour.

Originally posted by Whelk
If an advertiser wants to put up an advert he has to get permission and pay, whereas the tw+t that spray painted COCKMASTER in 20' letters on the building opposite where I work didn't and I know the building owner wouldn't have given permission and didn't receive payment.

There is no way that anyone can pass this off as art or free expression, they are criminals who ruin other peoples property and spoil other peoples environment. The cost of removing all of their childish cr+p is unbelievable and would easily fund a gallery or art workshop for people GENUINELY interested in art. The graffitti scum take this option away from artists with their selfish me me me behaviour.


No one on here is trying to defend tagging to me that is vandalism, it’s motivations is purely destruction.

What I'm arguing is that their are several talented street artists in Sheffield who in my opinion improve the areas that they work in with original and imaginative pictures.

Originally posted by t020
I'm not sure how much it would cost to start up as an artist, but presume it would be cheaper than numerous graffiti fines and also the cost to the environment in terms of visual pollution. As far as I know, paper isn't too expensive and they already have the spraycans of paint. There are also galleries to display their work in, schemes to help artists, and of course thanks to the internet there is a good, free method of displaying artwork to a very wide audience.

All that aside, most things in life cost money but most people have the decency to not ruin property if they can't afford them. I'll also overlook the (yet another) pathetic jibe and deliberate mispelling, but I really am growing tired of it and wish the moderators would get you under control.

in sheffield there are 4 different places i know of so far designed for graffiti art, places artist can go & graffiti pictures etc (this is different to the taggin kids do today (kaz luvs gaz etc) & the skate park neer the bruary where when saturday comes was filmed graffiti artist are allowed to spray art in there too!

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
No one on here is trying to defend tagging to me that is vandalism, it’s motivations is purely destruction.

What I'm arguing is that their are several talented street artists in Sheffield who in my opinion improve the areas that they work in with original and imaginative pictures.


It doesn't matter that in your opinion it is good work. The fact remains they don't have permission to "express themselves" on buildings owned by people and businesses, so therefore it IS vandalism. If they are serious artists they wouldn't flout the law, they'd stick to canvass and set up in galleries. In reality, the vast majority don't want to be artists, they're just inconsiderate morons that think they have a right to vandalise property.

Originally posted by t020
It doesn't matter that in your opinion it is good work. The fact remains they don't have permission to "express themselves" on buildings owned by people and businesses, so therefore it IS vandalism. If they are serious artists they wouldn't flout the law, they'd stick to canvass and set up in galleries. In reality, the vast majority don't want to be artists, they're just inconsiderate morons that think they have a right to vandalise property.

Serious artists "stick to canvass" do they? Basquiat and Haring certainly were "serious artists", whether you like what they did or not. Banksy, too, comes into this category.