Breaking(ish) news...

6 protesters have managed to break in to the main room during the hunting ban debate! This is despite all of the police outside and also after the flour bomb incident earlier this year. Also, let's not forget the Batman stunt at Buckingham Palace.

Please could someone explain why the police in England seem to treat security so lightly?! I know the USA might be overkill but our current situation is not only making us the laughing stock of the world, but more importantly sending out all the wrong signals to those who may wish to do more than shout and throw flour...

:(

(Check the news - amazing footage!)

Just watching a bit more about this... amazing that the protesters are chased in to the chamber by what appears to be MPs rather than police or even security guards! It's also pointed out that this is actually a far more serious breach of security as the protesters were able to enter the ground floor of the chamber as opposed to the now sealed off public gallery...

I'm all up for MPs being approachable and not creating a fortress, but I really think some heads should roll for this... time we woke up a little bit before it's too late...

Edit: Just read this on another forum:
Osama's probably sat there now watching sky news, and kicking himself for not realising a batman costume or looking rich would've got him past all our security anyway.:hihi:

Really scary to think that one of them could have had a bomb strapped to their chest or something.

This shows a complete lack of security and the armed guard they now have is way too late.

I think the cops were to busy trying to whack a few heads outside to notice owt was going off inside!!!

I've just seen the news reports of the protestors smashing up the fences and fighting with police.

Bloodthirsty scum, no better than football hooligans. At least footie hooligans don't get perverse pleasure in seeing a fox ripped to pieces.

Originally posted by alchresearch
...get perverse pleasure in seeing a fox ripped to pieces.
Remember to keep this thread related to UK security ... there is already a thread to discuss fox hunting... cheers :)

I read in one of the papers today that some Police bigwig has ordered a "shoot to kill" policy on future "Batman" wannabes.... The hell?!

Methinks this guy obviously thinks he's in New York or something.... :loopy:

I suppose it will mean another 'review'. How many times have we heard that this year?

Originally posted by Rich
I read in one of the papers today that some Police bigwig has ordered a "shoot to kill" policy on future "Batman" wannabes.... The hell?!


Why not? People know the risks - they know places like Buckingham Palace have armed guards. They could easily be a terrorist with a bomb. I would suggest the police should shoot people in those circumstances.

Why is UK security so bad?

in my sons lingo that means its quite good

Originally posted by Andy
Why not? People know the risks - they know places like Buckingham Palace have armed guards. They could easily be a terrorist with a bomb. I would suggest the police should shoot people in those circumstances.

But not to kill, it should be a case of "there's one, set for stun" to coin a phrase from Star Wars.

well it just goes to show that the people who like fox hunting are violent evil people with no respect

Originally posted by f_g
well it just goes to show that the people who like fox hunting are violent evil people with no respect
Did you actually read before posting? Check my comments about 6 posts up... thanking you :)

sorry i just needed to share that, anyway uk security isnt good but i dont think any security is 100% perfect

These people would think twice before pulling this kind of if they thought that the police were going to shoot to kill. Never mind the do-gooders, until we start to take these "stunts" seriously it is only a matter of time before one of them wipes out either parliament or the monarchy.

I am no great lover of either, but I know of no viable alternative.

Originally posted by Geoff
Remember to keep this thread related to UK security ... there is already a thread to discuss fox hunting... cheers :)

Sorry Geoff. My blood was boiling at the time of writing and I didn't see the other thread.

British security is just terrible, probably because they won't spend money on it. In the past week we've had Batman on the palace and a programme about security at Manchester Airport.

Going back to the invasion of parliament - did you see the old duffers who tried to stop them? Who on earth could they hold back? You need to get some no-necked musclemen from the doors of nightclubs in their place.

as an interesting aside I wouldn't want to shoot someone on duty as you would immediately be suspended from duty, the incident would be voluntairily referred to the Police Complaints Authority and you would be investigated with the possibility of a criminal investigation - all based on a split second decision. In this sort of circumstance it would be front page news as well so you'd be likely hounded by the press.

Not for me thanks - I'll stick with me baton and gas!

I believe one of the protesters was Brian Ferry's son, Otis.

And I'll put my rant head on here - why do protesters start moaning when they get batoned? If they weren't throwing bottles etc at the cops they wouldn't get hit back - simple as.

Sheesh!

And another thing! 'Set to stun' is from Star Trek not Star Wars! (DVD trilogy boxset available Monday!)

There are rumours that this may have been an inside job, so to speak - i.e. the protesters had help getting in. I really don't think UK security it that bad.

I assume many people think the solution is more police, more guns? In fact, why not bring in the military too? Every public building secured by the army and air force. They could also march the streets to control the populace, and ensure no nefarious miscreant strays from what it is to be a good little subject. Surely a Despotic state with increased military presence is the only way to secure the country? That would certainly teach any dirty little do-gooder who dared speak out against the government's heinous acts*.

*Don't take that to mean I support what the protesters were fighting for. I personally think Fox Hunting is a repugnant, viciously cruel and unnecessary activity.

If I'd had a sword I'd have took an 'ed off.

On the up side: I bet Osama Bin Bag is kicking himself for missing an opportunity - it could have been much worse, at least they they harmlessly revealed a security flaw.

I'd still at least tried to kebbab 'em, though

Well security at Buckingham Palace a joke now this happens,1 was Bryan Ferrys 21 yrs old son & another a pal of Prince Williams, a [snip]

Some of you may find the letters from former police officers in today's Daily Telegraph interesting. One, from Michael Carpenter of Holmer Green, Bucks [a former riot-trained officer] says, " I was very disturbed to see the television footage of police officers using truncheons on people's heads. We were taught to strike the arms and legs- never the head". Another, from a retired police sergeant [Steve McCulloch of Wadsworth, Yorks] says that he never thought the day would come when he was,"totally ashamed of the police service". He goes on to say that, "it was as if I was watching a dictatorship forcing through unpopular and illegal legislation with the support of bullyboy police supporters".
Speaking as a conservative, who supports and admires the police force, I think that on this occasion the "blatent staffing" [referred to by the latter] of demonstrators by officers is deeply shameful. Here, football hooligans are made to look almost respectable by angry, young policemen!

Sorry, I should have pointed out that the Telegraph letters refer to police tactics against pro- hunting demonstrators.

what do you expect when people are trying to attack you? :loopy:

Spook, I sympathise with the police generally. All I am saying here, as are the ex-coppers in the paper, is that I expect a more skilful and controlled method of defence. The officers are trained in riot-control, and they know that it is not necessary to hit people over the head; the arms, shoulders, legs etc are good enough, disabling targets. Then again, I wasn't there. When a drunk attacked me at Bootle train station [near Liverpool] around four years ago, I ducked his punch and kicked him hard in the groin. I could have done something less severe, but fear took over. Maybe that is what can happen to young, inexperienced officers. I take your point. You can't always tell how far an assailant is prepared to go, can you?