It was revealed in today's Sheffield Telegraph that the developers plan to compulsory purchase the Yorkshire Grey and demolish it to make way for a multi-storey car park.

This one slipped out quietly whilst everyone is still arguing about the 60's style office block.

Now not only is it a shame to lose such a pub - just a normal pub popular with both students and normal locals, with a nice outdoor drinking area, which we seem to be lacking in this area, but surely a multi storey car park at this location will be a total eye-sore?

So they're trying to keep cars out of the city but decide to build a car park to invite more in?

And the NCP is only just over the road!

All this does seem a bit crazy.It will be a shame to lose the yorkie,its a nice pub,good food as well.

Yet again, Sheffield is going to lose something that is valued by it's residents. I often go to the Yorkie and I would be extremely uspet if the developers get their way by knocking it down and building a multi-storey car park in it's place!!! Why the need for more car parks? If there is genuine need then why don't they develop the old Roxy site and extend the current car park there?! Afterall, it's not like the building is being used!!!!! :evil:

The Roxy is to become a hotel complex - planning permission sorted I believe. It's owned by the same developers that own Wembley. Big plans there for whoever takes it on.

I had enquired about it for a new venue for the Classic Rock Bar. Not available.

I've just read the article. It will be a shame to see the pub go.

Originally posted by Classic Rock
The Roxy is to become a hotel complex - planning permission sorted I believe. It's owned by the same developers that own Wembley. Big plans there for whoever takes it on.

I had enquired about it for a new venue for the Classic Rock Bar. Not available.


............and yet another hotel! Have Sheffield City Council got no imagination when it comes to redeveloping the city centre?! That will be 3 hotels all within a stones throw of each other. Don't get me wrong, I'm all up for change if it will improve the city, but I think the council are desperate for the money and are accepting development opportunities without considering any alternatives.

Just remember that Arundel Gate is a vritually a private road into the Councils own offices - and it's been that way for 30 years. They have 4 storeys of car parking underneath the new Howden House. Why on earth should they do what they want others to do? (that's sarky btw :)

Originally posted by Classic Rock
The Roxy is to become a hotel complex - planning permission sorted I believe. It's owned by the same developers that own Wembley. Big plans there for whoever takes it on.

I had enquired about it for a new venue for the Classic Rock Bar. Not available.

Same people who own Wembley? I certainly won't hold my breath then, considering the f**k up they've made of that 'development'.

Obviously there's no room in our new 24 hour, 21st century heart of the city for a real pub. Much better to have faceless, lifeless office blocks, hotels and car parks.

We desperatly need three new hotels, so that visitors can come to our city. Except that they won't know what to do when they get here, because that bunch of clowns in the town hall are plotting to close down the visitor information centre.

Come on here, Jan Wilson, and defend yourself.

I get the feeling there is probably more then meets the eye as usual, oops look the poor developers tripped up and just dropped £50k into council coffers .... oh dear!

1Man&HisBMW

Why can't they do as they do in America and build an underground car park?

Although it would cost more to build, it means we could keep one attraction that is going to encourage more visitors than a car park would.

Perhaps the car park is for all the new tourists Sheffield isn't going to get, or is a convenient new public lavatory and sh*gging area for clubbers.

Originally posted by alchresearch
So they're trying to keep cars out of the city but decide to build a car park to invite more in?

Seems a bit odd that doesn't it? Not to mention a complete contradiction of what the Labour-run Council want us to do....

Typical Labour "do as we do, not as we say" policies.... Muppets.

Do the hotels we already have get full? There are 4 large ones(ohh) i know of in town and do most not do deals at weekends to try to encourage people to come here? Think i would prefer a nice little b&b in peaks somewhere.

Why do people come to Sheffield? Is it Meadowhell? I live here and like it, but most people i know come over to visit people not for the city. It's not like York or Lincoln is it?

Is another hotel needed?

The hotels won't be full if all tourists have to look at is car parks!

Originally posted by alchresearch
The hotels won't be full if all tourists have to look at is car parks!

Come on, you know there's more to our city than that. They can also look at office blocks, other hotels and appartments.

If they want to, they can go shopping at Meadowhall, which has exactly the same shops as where ever they came from...

Sadly, if the council get their way and close the tourist office, there will be nobody to tell them of the delights out city can offer.

Once again, I invite Jan Wilson to come on here and defend her council.

Originally posted by Andy

Once again, I invite Jan Wilson to come on here and defend her council.

She probably would if you bung a few hundred quid in council coffers

1Man&HisBMW

Originally posted by 1Man&hisBMW
She probably would if you bung a few hundred quid in council coffers

1Man&HisBMW


Why do you keep saying that the council will do anything for developers if they "bung" the council? Do you have any experience of such alleged corruption?

Originally posted by Andy

Sadly, if the council get their way and close the tourist office, there will be nobody to tell them of the delights out city can offer.


I've already answered this one but here we go again. The plan is to close the current office and open 2 in places where tourists actually go:

Millenium Gardens
Meadowhall

OK?

Hotel users tend not to be tourists but are more likely to be here for the hotel facilities as they are geared towards conferences.

Originally posted by max
I've already answered this one but here we go again. The plan is to close the current office and open 2 in places where tourists actually go:


Leeds and Manchester?

Originally posted by alchresearch
Leeds and Manchester?

Excuse my delay on replying, I was picking myself up off the floor.

Originally posted by max
I've already answered this one but here we go again. The plan is to close the current office and open 2 in places where tourists actually go:
Millenium Gardens
Meadowhall
Can't see the Meadowhall one being that great - people are generally there to shop. If I could vote (although I know I can't) I would have said building it near or in the train station would have been logical.

Far too logical - my god such radical ideas might actually work!

What good would sticking it near the station do? People are already here by then and if they're here they're here for a reason so would probably not need info. People at M'hall come from all over the country to shop so if they see a tourist office they may pop in to see what else we have to offer. imo.

No, I've spent time looking for info on a place while in it's train station. I think it's a good idea.
Whereas, if I was to go to Leeds or someplace, it would most likely be for shopping, not being a tourist, so a tourist info in the shopping mall would be no use to me at all.

In that case Max, where is the logic in building one at the galleries? Surely they will know by the time they get there what Sheffield offers?

As for the station...
Visitors get off the train at Sheffield and want to walk to their friends house in the centre, or maybe they are here on a spur of the moment thing. A place with maps and directions at the station might be useful! Not all of us plan quick trips in advance.

edit: I'm not saying building one at Meadowhall is a bad idea, I completely agree with your theory. However, I really can't see your logic behind not having one at a train station.

Originally posted by max
I've already answered this one but here we go again. The plan is to close the current office and open 2 in places where tourists actually go:
Millenium Gardens
Meadowhall


From what I read in the paper, I thought the tourist office was being closed to cut costs. If so, how will opening two new ones help to reduce costs?

If they are going to replace the old office with two new ones, that seems like a good idea - so long as they're going to be proper tourist information centres with staff on hand to assist.

My worry is that the new information centres will simply be piles of leaflets with no staff. Do you know what the actual situation will be Max?

Maybe the should operate smaller but more frequently placed tourist advice booths up and down the city centre

1Man&HisBMW

isn't the yorkshire grey a BBC home pub? There always seems to be plenty of burberry and hackett clad 'fans' out there on match day.

When Meadowhall first opened there was a tourist info shop. This closed down due to high rent. During the world student games there was a tourist info shop in the railway station. This is now an Uppercrust sandwich/coffee shop. All the tourist info that remains is a street map and bus map at the station front.

Along with all the other 'essential' services in the city (ie., Howden House, post-offices and banks) it would be helpful if the info centre actually opened at useful times. If they opened earlier than 10 and closed later than 4 they might have the interest required to keep them viable.

On the subject of the Yorkshire Grey redevelopment - yes that has slipped quietly through the net that one, hasn't it? The car park proposed will look utterly out of place in that location. It's presence is deeply ironic considering the council's supposed plans to limit car access to the centre. The hotel isn't much better - it enlivens (developer's word) Tudor Square with ... a car park ramp, and the Peace Gardens with ... a taxi rank. I wouldn't be surprised if the new St Paul's Square will have a decorative H in it's centre.

I have been told that The Yorkshire Grey in town, across from The Roebuck Tavern near the Oversized Greenhouse is going to be knocked down and have a carpark in its place.:mad:

Whats your feelings on this?

annoyed. its a good place for meeting yer mates before trekking through town. it does attract pikeys though.

i do love the Yorkshire Grey - it is my adopted pub in sheffield. When i first arrived 3 years ago - i only knew about the 'superlative' eccy rd as there is sooooo many pubs to visit along there (touch of sarcasm). My mate introduced me to the Yorkie and generally speaking, its a wicked pub to hang out, have a couple of beers between town and leaders. Football atmosphere has always been good, compared with the likes of the Cavvy and Varsity.

I do agree with your pikey bit though tina, i could tell you about a superb evening me and my mate had when we went down there and chilled out in the beer garden. It seemed as though they'd issued beer vouchers to the Manor lot. They were out in force - f'ing and blinding. One guy answered his phone to one of his employees, trying to big himself up in front of his mates by shouting abuse down the phone to him, offering to fight his employee and all his mates outside the pub to settle a wage dispute. Middle management tut tut. But the beauty of it was that he felt that everyone else in the beer garden should know about it as well (yorkshire trait or just him being a tw*t?)

Saying that, its a nice pub and it will sorely missed by many a local and student. I wish a warm welcome to all those cars that will proudly sit in yet another central concrete monstrosity.

Any other suggestions of decent pubs we can rip down??

Yeah where else in town can yer get drunk and play on a ps2 :D

What gripes me about the demolition of the Yorkshire Grey, is that by doing so, the council are contradicting themselves and the government, cos in one breath they're saying don't bring your car into town and use public transport, then t' next minute they're knocking down a highly popular public house in the city centre to make way for a CAR PARK, something which ATTRACTS cars to the city centre...

Make your feckin' minds up ya bunch o' muppets!

From what i believe the carpark is going to be there because they are building a rediculous building next to the greenhouse thats there cus at the moment the space looks like ground zero.

Proof once again that Labour don't know what they're doing, the Sheffield city council being run by Labour of course....

This is the first i've heard of this. What a bloody ridiculous idea! Bearing in mind that just about every bus in the city runs down arundel gate at some point, how the hell can they justify knocking down an excellent pub (conveniently placed about halfway between west street and the leadmill too!) to create what can't really be more than about 20 car parking places, when we keep being told we should use public transport! Just after more money from the pay and display i guess.

The council are idiots, period!

Originally posted by Scarrott


The council are idiots, period!

Here, here Scarrott! Will they NEVER learn, whats next.....knock down the City Hall for kebab stalls? Pave the Moor with cobbles that look like cheese??

So another decent boozer dies a death....Which is next? Dog and Partidge?, Grapes?? :loopy:

As I've said before...Our council is run by idiots!

My mate told me about this. It's a shame cos it's a great place to watch the footy.

Is it true that the guy who run's the council's transport policy doesn't hold a driving licence? I have been told this a few times by people, although it may not be the same guy any more. Would explain a lot mind!

it wouldn't cus the busses are crap too!

What about the CRB is that still coming down?

Found a thread coupla months back with the disturbing news that the Yorkshire Grey was gonna get knocked down and be turned in to a car park :wow:

aint true is it? :(

Cos I dearly love that pub! they do a fantastic chicken caesar salad and the geordie barman is quite cute

also got some festive shots out now, the Xmas pud one is gorge!

So....if anyone knows owt?.....

:roll:

Yes, I'm afraid it is true. We've already had this discussion actually, it can be found here: http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4069

I know! found thread earlier! is about 2months old and pub is still standing!
Anyone know when it is gonna get knocked down cos Ive not heard owt about it since!
Hoping its all bin forgotton about

Found this council site:
http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/plugins/whats_new/UTTM/shownews.asp?title=453
but it doesn't say when it's happening, just says work is to be finished by the end of 2004.

You know what plans are like - it takes an age to get through all the red tape and other crap. Shame it's closing though it's always been a decent pub, nothing special though. I know the Roebuck are happy about it anyway, lol.

Roebuck Schmobuck!!! While the tavern might be happy about its demolision - i shall not be. Served its purpose for many a good night out for me - when i come back from abroad i shall be faced with a huge concrete monstrousity!!! NICE.

Look at the logic - take out a nice bar in favour of a car park.....ummm. i can't see it either to be honest.

Merry Christmas to all those who frequent The Yorkshire Grey, i shall have 1 final celebration in there before mid Jan.......long maybe 2004 be its most profitable year.

That's progress for you...

OMG!

they ARe tearing down the Yorkshire grey ?
YOU BAST**DS !!!!

What is it this time ? a zoo? an aquarium? millenium square? no... a car park i don't see the point as you can't drive in centre :oo
Have you seen the state of Eyre St/Arundel Gate and Charter Row lately?

It's not as though they are planning to leave it like that though is it. It won't just be a car park, there's some development going on as well.

I went in there at lunch today and had one of their Paninis. Very poor filling, hardly value for money.....plus I was astonished at the number of blokes just sitting ON the pool table. Staff were milling around clearing glasses but nobody said anything to them. The tables must be severely bent and damaged. Would make a good car park in my opinion.....

Back in the 70's wasn't the YG called "The Minerva"?

One helluva dump if memory serves....................

Originally posted by Longcol
Back in the 70's wasn't the YG called "The Minerva"?

Quite right, my better 2 thirds used to sing in a band which played there, Micks Apocalypse String Band, or some such.

Originally posted by Longcol
Back in the 70's wasn't the YG called "The Minerva"?

One helluva dump if memory serves....................

it was the first place me and my mates started going drinking..it was then called THE BAR RIO......happy days

Shame about the YG, although I've only ever been in twice, one time of which was to use the gents, I remember that time particularly cos there was a wedding party in at the time, oh that bride did look nice in the frock.

Theres loads of developments in store for Sheffield in 2004. Many of which are listed in todays Telegraph newspaper. I can't believe the Casbah is next on the list for the chop! And Mingdom isn't very old either!

The concept of building a car park right in the city centre is just retarded....

I mean, they work on projects to get as many people onto public transport and zone areas so cars can't go down, then they encourage you top drive into the city centre to park...

Why oh why =/

Originally posted by _Foo_
The concept of building a car park right in the city centre is just retarded....

I mean, they work on projects to get as many people onto public transport and zone areas so cars can't go down, then they encourage you top drive into the city centre to park...

Why oh why =/

Cos the council are clearly thick as pig **** and don't know what they're doing, a bit like the government down in London really, which is sort of ironic given that we have a Labour council.

Apologies to the mods for the swearing.

Have you forgotten that there is a new office development next door? This will need large amounts of parking regardless of anyone else’s requirements.

The pub has been there for over 100 years, i wonder if the car park will last that long?lol

Originally posted by duffman
The pub has been there for over 100 years, i wonder if the car park will last that long?lol
We probably won't even have cars in 100 years.

Feel free to quote this post in 100 years and have a good laugh at me.

Not been in the old Minerva for a long time,great times we had in the late 60,s early 70,s it was a unique place to go along with the old Barleycorn were you could see the first ever sightings of cross dressing & gays which was all new then,but what great guys the were we had some good laughs with Doreen , Keith & others.

The council is issuing the Yorkshire Grey pub with a Compulsory Purchase Order (CPO), after negotiations to buy the Yorkshire Grey was unsuccessful.

This is now the only part of the entire St Paul’s Place site that is not either vacant or is owned by the Council.

Work is due to start next spring on St Paul’s Place - The commercial element of the Heart of the City, consisting of a new development of 250 luxury apartments, 200,000 sq. ft of grade A offices, café-bars, restaurants, a 500 space multi-storey car park and two new public squares, so acquiring the property cannot be delayed any further.

More details please see: http://sccplugins.sheffield.gov.uk/press/news/release.asp?akey=2240

first place i ever went drinking.it was called the bar rio in them days..very dodgey bar staff if memory serves me correctly.......sailor suits and tambourines:o

Quote from Jan Wilson on the council website.

Cllr Jan Wilson, Leader of the City Council commented: “For some this news will be met with mixed feelings, but developing this site for the next phase of the award winning Heart of the City development is where the future lies. In some small way, with the new bars, cafes and restaurants St Paul’s Place will provide, the spirit of the Yorkshire Grey will live on.”

Bull***t, Bull***t, Bull***t!!!!! it's a car park that's going on the space of the pub. So when the tourists are walking around we can proudly point out that once an old pub over 100 years old stood there until the wise old council thought it would be good in keeping with knocking half the city down every few decades and put a car park on it.

:mad: :mad: Grrrr, rant over! for now:rant:

Its a dive anyway..good riddance.

Originally posted by wibbles
Its a dive anyway..good riddance.

Maybe so, but I know a few old timers that have got plenty of stories about that place some funny, some serious. What can you say about a multi story car park? The minnimum wage security guard will have plenty of tales to tell his kids about him being attacked, etc (I know that's gone off the point a bit).

Thats progress for you.
We can't cling on to old war stories for ever.

I've just had the following email from Dr Tim Stillman, Sheffield CAMRA's pubs officer:

I have a just had a call from the Sheffield Star asking for my opinion of
the compulsory purchase order submitted by the council for the Yorkshire
Grey. It seems Laurel wouldn't sell it to them so they bought it anyway.

Do local magistrates give the nod to compulsory purchase orders?

Is there anything anybody can do?

Cheers,
Tim

There is no need for this. In Manchester there are a few old pubs in the city centre and they have great character and are very popular.

The council are retarded.

I thought they were trying to get cars OUT of the City Centre?! Yet here they are giving their backing to the very thing that will bring cars IN to the City Centre, ie a multi-storey car park.

Just WTF are they smoking the silly hypocrites?! :loopy:

Originally posted by Rich
The council are retarded.

I thought they were trying to get cars OUT of the City Centre?! Yet here they are giving their backing to the very thing that will bring cars IN to the City Centre, ie a multi-storey car park.

Just WTF are they smoking the silly hypocrites?! :loopy:

totally agree, a few have been suggested for West street too so even more traffic. I wonder which old building can be knocked down on West Street to build a car park?

I hope a Sheffield Monopoly isn't made it will all be car parks.

A car park means big income. Add that to the proposed road tolls and it gives the council a huge daily income for doing **** all.

They obviously don't care that they're killing off the character of the city. They can't see that because of the pound signs in their eyes.

It'll be interesting to see who will use the car park. It certainly won't be tourists!

Well I'm sure I've seen threads on here calling for more car parking within the city centre. If there is going to be further development with more shops, cafes, bars etc then surely there is a requirement for more car parking.
SCC can't win. They build more but no extra car parks so we whinge..they build more car parks and we still whinge.
The Yorkshire Grey pub is no great loss to society when you weigh it up against the possibility of attracting people to the city centre and giving these people somewhere to park.

Well said wibbles.

Don't think that the YG is being redeveloped in isolation. It is merely part of the site assembly for the project now on site on the old Egg Box site. It just so happens that the YG is where the car park will go.

The YG is no great architectural monument - it's a pretty shabby city centre boozer that's only been there around 80 years from memory.

Are there any pictures of this new development. I'm hoping it will be a bit more interesting than the town hall offices.

What an absolute disgrace! Another half-decent boozer lost - there won't be any left in town soon. Sheffield in 10 years time may be just glass and concrete bars.

Is the Roebuck going the same way as well?

The council have gone too far with keeping cars out of the city centre - a car park in a prime location is what we need to get the city feeling like a city again - busier and bustling - which it doesn't at the moment. Its just a shame that the Yorkshire Grey is standing in the way, as i've always found it a friendly place.

Is the car going to be solely pay and display or will be for use with the 250 aprtments being built? Surely there be quite a few people living there who will need parking spaces.

Originally posted by Meaks
What an absolute disgrace! Another half-decent boozer lost - there won't be any left in town soon. Sheffield in 10 years time may be just glass and concrete bars.

Is the Roebuck going the same way as well?

Yeah..its not like there's enough pubs in Sheffield City Centre. Where are you all going to go now Yorkshire Grey is shutting down (sarcasm)

A real shame. Its one of the most notable pubs in the Centre.

Thank god it's not Berlins that's being demolished.

catch up it's Purple now...

but I sensed the irony... :) , ...I hope!

Originally posted by Meaks
What an absolute disgrace! Another half-decent boozer lost - there won't be any left in town soon..
Apart from the Fat Cat, Devonshire Cat, Red Deer, Red Lion, Kelham Island Tavern, Dog and Partridge, Norfolk Arms, Bath Hotel... ;)

Is the Roebuck going the same way as well?
I don't think so!

Personally, I'm still holding out some vague hope of the Grey moving into custom-built premises in the new development - the Dev Cat is in the ground floor retail unit of a new-build UNITE hall of residence, but is still one of the best pubs I've ever visited. :)

umeeksk....you like some fantastic pubs...bottoms up :)

Wont be much demand for that big new car park. Rumour has it that the reason the council are "upgrading" all the access roads into the city centre is in preparation for the introduction of the congestion charge- they will be able to say " the infrastructure is in place already". Of course it is- all part of the plan. I suggest Meadowhall add a few extra spaces in anticipation of the extra customers.

Originally posted by Umeeksk
Apart from the Fat Cat, Devonshire Cat, Red Deer, Red Lion, Kelham Island Tavern, Dog and Partridge, Norfolk Arms, Bath Hotel... ;)


I don't think so!

Personally, I'm still holding out some vague hope of the Grey moving into custom-built premises in the new development - the Dev Cat is in the ground floor retail unit of a new-build UNITE hall of residence, but is still one of the best pubs I've ever visited. :)

Great beer at the Dev Cat :0)

It seems that councils will not be content until all our cities across the UK look exactly the same with those stalinist high rises and bland flats marching across the landscape.
There is precious little character left in our cities and maybe it was only a Victorian pub but at least it looked different to all the buildings around it.

It's not a Victorian pub - it was built between the wars, like those Stalinist blocks you refer to ;)

Okay so architecture is not my strong point!!

This seems to me, to be defeating the point of city centre regeneration - demolishing a perfectly good building and successful business, when literally across the road there are derelict* factories and warehouses and dark, dingy back streets which are crying out for demolition and replacing with something more useful and interesting.

It all seems a bit backwards - I would imagine the reason being that a tower block 50 yards closer to the city centre is worth £millions more.

* I think some may have businesses in, but from the outside they look derelict

Sorry to be pedantic but found this link that claims the Yorkshire Grey was built in 1833 http://www.sheffieldpubs.fsnet.co.uk/Business/pubs/minerva.htm

Nooo! It's not pedantic at all. I will have to interrogate my source more thoroughly! I'll report back when I've broken him ;)

You know, I thought the pub was older than what was on here...but Tony seems to know lots of stuff so I kept quiet...;)

I should have trusted my instinct. Me n pubs go together well :)

Well apologies if I was wrong. I was informed by what is usually a reliable source that it was built in the 20's, in an older style.

I've got the cattle prod ready for the interrogation :D

May be it was orginally built in 1833 but then was rebuilt in the 1920s or done up or something - in that way we can all be right

The BBC also states that the pub was built in 1833: http://www.bbc.co.uk/southyorkshire/content/articles/2004/09/15/yorkshire_grey_feature.shtml

Originally posted by ceridwen1977
May be it was orginally built in 1833 but then was rebuilt in the 1920s or done up or something - in that way we can all be right

Surely that must make it old enough to be a listed building ?

Aha! More evidence that I was right(ish)!

From tonights Star... built in the late 1930's, though there has been a pub there longer.

Link to story (http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=856113)

I dunno who said that it wasnt a nice building.. but IMO it is. I cant say Ive ever been drinking in there, and I dont plan to start to be honest! But its certainly not a blot on the landscape like most of the "heart of the city" planned buildings are. I dunno who they employed to design them but whoever it is has no imagination whatsoever!

I think it's a real shame that they're trying to pull the Yorkshire Grey down - on the outside it may look a bit ropey, but it's actually ok inside! We've only just discovered it as a decent post-Blades match pub (well, I say discovered, obviously we've always known it's there, but never really gone in before!)

Surely any pub (apart from Berlin's) being knocked down for a car park is a bad thing?

Originally posted by bigrods
I think it's a real shame that they're trying to pull the Yorkshire Grey down - on the outside it may look a bit ropey, but it's actually ok inside! We've only just discovered it as a decent post-Blades match pub (well, I say discovered, obviously we've always known it's there, but never really gone in before!)

Surely any pub (apart from Berlin's) being knocked down for a car park is a bad thing?

Yeah. especially when it completely contradicts the Council's long running anti car policies in the City Centre.... But meh, when there's pound notes at stake, the Council seem to forget their own policies :rolleyes: :loopy:

Anyone see the report on Look North tonight about it? The council say they will use CPO as a last resort, presumably hoping that the owners will just sell up without a fight.

Originally posted by dinp
Anyone see the report on Look North tonight about it? The council say they will use CPO as a last resort, presumably hoping that the owners will just sell up without a fight.

what's a CPO??

Wouldn't there be room for a deal somewhere? Like - "We'll sell you our pub, for a good price, on the condition that we get premises in the new development at a discount."

I should be a councillor, me.

This CPO is typical of the bullying tactics of the Sheffield **itty Council
They will resort to anything to achieve their goals while trampeling over everything or anyone in their path


For the person who wanted to know what a CPO is, it is a
compulsary purchase order... that the court can order

All this money going on city centre re developments,
isn,t this the same council who still have half their council tennants living with no indoor toilets,(majority still in back porch.)
pokey unmodernised little kitchens. some with hardly any cupboards or work surfaces, etc.
While they're being hypocritical showing tourists their nice city
do you think they'd like to show them their council houses too,
i think not.

Originally posted by dinp
Anyone see the report on Look North tonight about it? The council say they will use CPO as a last resort, presumably hoping that the owners will just sell up without a fight.

haha, I was on Look North for a nano second last night walking into the Yorkshire Grey at lunchtime, I noticed the film crew at the time.

Please don't confuse private and grant investment with the local authority responsibilities.

99% of the new stuff you see being built is being done by private companies, most of which pay a large amount of money to the Council towards improvements in the local area. Things like the skate park in Devonshire Green and the improvements in Bingham Park are all paid for by that money.

The investment in housing is a separate thing, and even if the Council wanted to use the money from developments they couldn't. The Council has lots of different responsibilities that are all funded separately, and can't really be interchanged.

Housing and schools has nothing to do with the Peace Gardens and the Winder Gardens.

At last Look North covering a story in Sheffield. Was totally surprised to see the plight of Yorkie Grey on Leeds loving Look North. Why do the council insist on pulling everything down for car parks. I think we should organise a petition and show the council what the people of Sheffield really think. So let's get it sorted and be heard, even if you don't like the pub please make a comment and stop the council from vanishing any character from our city centre.

www.petitiononline.com

I've not been in the pub for years. Externally it has a character lacking in 95% of modern buildings. OK it's not listed at the moment but given another 30-50 years it would be seen as a rarity worth preserving.
It's sad that buildings of character cannot be retained in the midst of bland and characterless developments.
Will the Rutland be next?

Originally posted by Ned Ludd
.....
Will the Rutland be next?

No but it looks like they have started pulling down the Cossack on Howard Street.

Originally posted by Dick Dastardly
Why do the council insist on pulling everything down for car parks.

I don't think they do - it's only one building. Anyway what will happen to John Lewis car park when the new developments are finished? Maybe this new car park is just replacing the old one.

Originally posted by Dug
No but it looks like they have started pulling down the Cossack on Howard Street.

Thats a shame, I know it's a dump but I used to like that pub.

Originally posted by Andy
I don't think they do - it's only one building. Anyway what will happen to John Lewis car park when the new developments are finished? Maybe this new car park is just replacing the old one.


Aren't they plonking part of the retail quarter on that site. There are other areas in the city centre where they could build a car park without having to tear down the city's decent buildings. For example, there are many areas in the city centre that are just wasteland so they could develop them. I know it wouldn't be as central as the site of Yorkie Grey, but it wouldn't hurt people to get off their fat lazy asses and walk a few hundred yards. Besides, there are loads of ugly buildings from the sixties that could be sacrificed instead!!!!!

It's not as simple as that. No single organisation owns all these bits of land that you refer to, and sites are developed in isolation as a rule.

The car park on the Yorkshire Grey will serve the St Paul's Place development, and as such, needs to be adjacent to it, not a few hundred yards away.

Originally posted by Tony
It's not as simple as that. No single organisation owns all these bits of land that you refer to


How difficult can it be to apply for a CPO to evict the business from the land the council wants to purchase?! :rolleyes:

Get 6 signatures from adults on paper, then crash the next council meeting - they are obliged (by law) to hear & respond to your petition!

Either that, or occupy the council offices ;-)

Originally posted by sccsux
Get 6 signatures from adults on paper, then crash the next council meeting - they are obliged (by law) to hear & respond to your petition!

Either that, or occupy the council offices ;-)


I don't think I've ever been inside the old town hall, are there any public bits you can vist just for a look around ?

Leave the Yorkshire where it is !

It's one of the very rare old buildings in town and looks a lot better than Howden House and that Utopic modern bland centre the Council has stuck in its imagination !

Isn't it by the same architect that built Manchester town hall ?
That is an impressive building.

Originally posted by Dick Dastardly
How difficult can it be to apply for a CPO to evict the business from the land the council wants to purchase?! :rolleyes: Very. There is no justification for CPO'ing land just so you don't have to knock down the Yorkshire Grey. The courts would have a field day.

..................so who's going to make up a petition? ;)

Originally posted by sccsux
Get 6 signatures from adults on paper, then crash the next council meeting - they are obliged (by law) to hear & respond to your petition!

Either that, or occupy the council offices ;-)

Why??? What's so special about it that warrants it being saved??
Its a run of the mill town centre pub..end of. Its of no historic significance nor is it especially visually appealing. Its not a hub of activity either so personally I don't reckon it'll be missed. Its not like there isn't much other choice in the city centre anyway. You'd think the Queen was born there and there wasn't a pub within 10 miles the way some people are going on about it.

Originally posted by wibbles
Why??? What's so special about it that warrants it being saved??
Its a run of the mill town centre pub..end of. Its of no historic significance nor is it especially visually appealing. Its not a hub of activity either so personally I don't reckon it'll be missed. Its not like there isn't much other choice in the city centre anyway. You'd think the Queen was born there and there wasn't a pub within 10 miles the way some people are going on about it.


It's an old building and it should be protected. I know it's not listed or anything like that, but the building adds character to seemingly bland buildings around it and should be saved. How many more buildings are going to be pulled down so developers can erect a bland structures in their place. Besides, it is proposed that the Yorkshire Grey will be replaced by a car park (not at all a blot on the landscape is it?!)

Originally posted by nick2
I don't think I've ever been inside the old town hall, are there any public bits you can vist just for a look around ?

There are areas that are open to the public most of the year (I think).

Though this may have changed recently (International terrorism ;-) )

Originally posted by sccsux
There are areas that are open to the public most of the year (I think).

Though this may have changed recently (International terrorism ;-) )

I'll try to go and have a look around then.

Originally posted by Tony
......Very.......

Strange, 'cause they (SCC[sux]) managed to get a CPO on our Private dwelling when I was a kid (11-12 IIRC)..... Then left the house standing vacant for almost 4 years. It was then demolished and a vacant plot was left for the next 8-9 years before being redeveloped!!

Nothing will sway the Council from this course of action.... Palms have been greased, promises made, there is no going back....

Originally posted by Dick Dastardly
It's an old building and it should be protected. I know it's not listed or anything like that, but the building adds character to seemingly bland buildings around it and should be saved. How many more buildings are going to be pulled down so developers can erect a bland structures in their place. Besides, it is proposed that the Yorkshire Grey will be replaced by a car park (not at all a blot on the landscape is it?!)
Car parks can be very successful buildings. Take Criterion Place (http://interactive.myvillage.com/mv/showpage.jsp?pageid=556&style=shopping&domain=myleeds) in buzzing Leeds as an example. The ground floor even has Bibis (http://www.restaurant-guide.com/reviews/default.asp?rID=4017&ID=1322&path=12,17,56,1322&cuiID=32&rev=473), one of Leeds very best restaurants on the ground floor.

So no, Car parks don't have to be 'blots on the landscape'.

Originally posted by sccsux
Nothing will sway the Council from this course of action.... Palms have been greased, promises made, there is no going back.... What do you mean 'palms have been greased'? Have you evidence for this? Please enlighten us.

Originally posted by Tony
What do you mean 'palms have been greased'? Have you evidence for this? Please enlighten us.

Contracts approved, monies will have changed hands before the YG has even been "acquired"

It's no great loss really, not like it was an especially great pub, or particularly visually appealing. Some things have to give for progress and unfortunately this time it's a pub.

Originally posted by bassman-x
It's no great loss really, not like it was an especially great pub, or particularly visually appealing. Some things have to give for progress and unfortunately this time it's a pub.

Whether it is a Pub(lic House) or not is irrelevant (I don't drink personally, so this closure has no impact on me) it is a matter of principle. The Council must learn to listen to the Public (ie everyone) which they (clearly) do not (point in question: Buddah in Walkley)!!

Originally posted by sccsux
Contracts approved, monies will have changed hands before the YG has even been "acquired" I think that you need to explain yourself properly. You appear to be making suggestions that there is funny business going on.

Originally posted by Tony
I think that you need to explain yourself properly. You appear to be making suggestions that there is funny business going on.

I think a lot of people think that about the council.

Originally posted by Tony
You appear to be making suggestions that there is funny business going on.

Why would I do that?

Wouldn't want to end up on the wrong side of a libel suite, would I??

I just remember them doing this to us (CPO) when I was kid and the repurcussions it had for quite a while after.

Well if you can't back up what you say how can we take you seriously.

I'm not having a go at you it's just that from my own experience I've never come across any funny business. However, there are lots of situations where the average citizen doesn't understand the quite normal process, and that can look strange, even though it isn't.

Maybe that is your experience?

Originally posted by Dick Dastardly
..................so who's going to make up a petition? ;)
Pm me if you're in it :p

Quote:
Originally posted by Tony
I think that you need to explain yourself properly. You appear to be making suggestions that there is funny business going on.


I think a lot of people think that about the council.
Anything they do is looked at as a joke or something they are doing without thinking.

You can understand people being suspicious, Tony. When you look at the way the developers have been taking the **** in developments at Nether Edge and Middlewood.
Bloor Homes get planning permission at Middlewood so long as the clocktower is preserved and incorporated into the scheme to give a village feel and what happens?
They neglect it, wait till it's falling down, apply to demolish it and then build more apartments.
What does the Council do.......NOWT. Absolutely pathetic.
It's been much the same with one of the "protected" buildings at Nether Edge as well.

It will be sad to see it go. It's an old Sheffield landmark, to many it has cultural value, and whilst yes, there are plenty of pubs in the city centre, there is only a limited number of pubs of this kind left in such handy locations.

The Yorkie can attract pretty much the full cross section of customers, has a friendly feel, has decent beer, value for money food, tv and games and an outdoor area.

You can pretty much guarentee if the car park development (not as if we haven't enough car parks already) includes a bar, it won't be one of the same character, it is more likely to be a glass posing parlour charging rip off prices, and full of people who are up their own arse.

And yes, the Devonshire Cat is a great pub, but it doesn't have the same kind of atmosphere as the Yorkie Grey.

Why cannot the Yorkshire Grey be left as a feature of the new development?

Originally posted by Andy C
Why cannot the Yorkshire Grey be left as a feature of the new development?

8-10 cars can be fitted into the same area?? ;-)

Having left Sheffield in 66 can someone tell me what the Yorkshire Grey used to be called and where is it?

SEE:
http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/show.shtml/5999/Yorkshire_Grey/Sheffield

"Why can't it be incorporated in the new development?"

It would be harder than demolishing & putting up stereotype blocks.

Granma

Bit of a cowboy setup down at Sheff CC.

I'm all for city centre regeneration, and sometimes CPO's are in the benefit of the majority when it comes to one setup blocking the path of something which would benefit more people.

Fact is its going to to private money coming into the city, to make the st pauls development come to a realisation. add to that the deal will be lubricated by them adding something to the city elsewhere as part of the deal, and hey presto, see you at the yorkie grey on monday boys, dont forget your hard hats!

This city, nice and pleasant though it is will never reach the heights of leeds, manchester, etc. Its just too backwards here with the current 'leadership'. You need to be attracting the large firmsto come here and do business, not just build flat upon flat time and time again. We are making lots of luxury expensive living accomodation in the city centre, soon i reckon most of which will be owned by faceless landlords, rented out to rich foreign students!

sweetdexter - if you left Sheffield in 66 it was called the Minerva. Opposite the Roebuck and just down & across from the Phoenix (demolished in the 70's).

The Minerva was a real dive in the early to mid 70's - if I remember correctly some very dodgy customers and always likely some violence would break out.

No great loss IMHO - not exactly got a lot of character inside and from outside is neither nowt nor summat.

Now that Arundel Gate is so much easier to cross the Red Lion is a lot better if you're in that part of town.

Originally posted by Ned Ludd
You can understand people being suspicious, Tony. When you look at the way the developers have been taking the **** in developments at Nether Edge and Middlewood.
Bloor Homes get planning permission at Middlewood so long as the clocktower is preserved and incorporated into the scheme to give a village feel and what happens?
They neglect it, wait till it's falling down, apply to demolish it and then build more apartments.
What does the Council do.......NOWT. Absolutely pathetic.
It's been much the same with one of the "protected" buildings at Nether Edge as well.
I understand that suspicion Nedd, and it's understandable really. SCC is poor at its PR and consultation, but I think it's a bit of a reaction. I'm finding that they are gradually becoming a little more confident and not so protective, so hopefully the people of Sheffield will begin to see the change.

I know that the senior planners in Sheffield were upset at the Middlewood and Nether Edge situations, but they were backed into the situation by developers that abused the system. Not all developers do this BTW. The Planners did what they could within the limited powers that they have. The fire at Nether Edge was very sad, but solved a problem of an uneconomic building for Gleeson I guess. It wasn't the planners fault.

I looked at the clock tower building with Bloor almost as soon as they bought it because they never wanted to redevelop it, but they couldn't get anyone to buy it for a reasonable price. The building was very neglected even when they bought it TBH.

Originally posted by Andy C
more likely to be a glass posing parlour charging rip off prices, and full of people who are up their own arse.

And yes, the Devonshire Cat is a great pub, but it doesn't have the same kind of atmosphere as the Yorkie Grey.
The just about sums up the crusty CAMRA attitude.

The difference with the Devonshire Cat is that it's clean and modern and full of (gasp, shock, horror) YOUNG people enjoying themselves with great beer at good prices and actually makes a profit!

If CAMRA want to get so giddy about saving pubs they should try spending more money in them or running them at a profit.



I still think that the Yorkshire Grey will be no great loss. It doesn't make much money as a pub and Regent are just making a fuss to get the biggest price. Things move on, and so they should.

A rather incredible response there from Tony slagging CAMRA off. Firstly given the very nature of CAMRA, all the members are people who go drinking in pubs, so yes, we do spend lots of money in pubs. The 72,000 members represent a whole cross section of people from 18 year old students right up to pensioners, all who have different interests and prefer different kinds of pubs and bars, but one thing in common - enjoy good beer, and want to drink it in a friendly and comfortable environment, and get what they pay for.
Secondly the Yorkshire Grey is owned by Laurel, not Regent Inns.
Finally I think Tony has missed the point I made with Devonshire Cat and Yorkshire Grey. It is not saying one is better than the other, it is saying they cater for different moods. The Devonshire Cat is a smart, chilled out type place, where you can try various different beers and maybe a decent bite to eat and have conversation, whereas the Yorkshire Grey is a more fun and lively atmosphere. And judging by the number of students who go in the Yorkshire Grey, which is on the edge of the Hallam University campus, it also appeals to younger drinkers.
If CAMRA didn't like pubs like the Devonshire Cat, then why would it appear in the national Good Beer Guide or win local Pub of the Month awards?
Finally, if I was confident an appropriate pub was to replace the Yorkshire Grey in the development I would be a bit happier, but it looks like the best we could hope for is a totally characterless, trendy clone bar, where up there own arse 30 somethings with too much money go to pose rather than enjoy themselves, and pay totally rip off prices. I supposed on that score, if we did actually get Devonshire Cat mark two I would be quite relieved!

Couldn't the pub be incorparated into this new devolopment.

Thanks Longcol for the info;
'The Minerva' Sounds very familiar,although I dont ever remember going in there

Are we feeling a little sensitive Andy C?

Well having read this thread I must say I'll be sorry to see the YG go, I spent many happy hours there.

Also on the lines of 'funny business' and the council I can give Tony an example.

When the council was doing up some properties near Prince of Wales Road (this is probably around the 1990's) they had to move/demolish the pigeon loft of one of the residents to gain access to the rear of the house. Afterwards they rebuilt the pigeon loft, out of brick with hardwood door and windows frames and leaded windows. Total cost for this over £15,000.

How do I know, because I was one of the team that wrote the housing repairs software and we had a query on this. I remember we were absolutely sickened by the cost, you could buy a house for less. I wonder of it was coincidence that the tenant in question happened to be the chair of a tenants association.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/southyorkshire/content/articles/2004/09/15/yorkshire_grey_feature.shtml

Sanman, I would agree that the example given is bizarre!

It's an internal council housing matter tough, What I was questioning was the assertion that there was something going on in the YG matter. Now I don't know if there is or isn't, but I do know that lots of people get Section 106 Agreements mixed up with 'backhanders from developers'. I know that you will understand the difference.

I'm not connected with the YG situation, but I just can't see that there is anything going on other than SCC wanting to get the area redeveloped for the right reasons, even though many may not agree.

Does anybody know when the Yorkshire Grey pub in town is due to be demolished for the re-development to take place?
Is there any anti-demolition campaign out there?

Not sure if there's an official campaign to save the Yorkie Grey but I do believe the Council are idiots for allowing the demolition of a well loved City Centre watering hole.

Especially as it contradicts their whole "no cars in the City Centre" policy :loopy:

Building a big multi-storey car park, ATTRACTS cars to the area does it not?!

I had a word with the bloke behind the bar and he sem to think it will be some time next year. We'll hopefully be able to squeeze another summer out if it, chillin out in the beer garden.

Not many DECENT pubs in sheffield seem to have decent beer gardens for when the suns out.

Regards
Deano

It's only been this season that I've really dicsovered the Yorkie Grey from coming back from the Lane. I think it's a great pub, easily the best pub in the City Centre. Sod's law when I start going, they knock it down!

Originally posted by Rich
I do believe the Council are idiots

You said in another thread you don't vote.

You've therefore got the council you deserve. :loopy: :loopy: :loopy:

Yorkshire Grey closure....y/n? when?

Anyone have an update on the closure of the best pub is Sheffield?

Cheers, Jez

Seem to remember the land lady a few years ago said she wanted to make some alterations to it but wasn't allowed because it was a protected building, now they're demolishing it!

You've got to love the local council haven't you...

Only in Sheffeld, could they allow such a building to be demolished to make way for a car park. That particular building is an oasis, in a sea of concrete, litter, glass, chavs and other assorted mediocrity. Shame shame.

Are they still definatly knocking it down? cos I heard that they were years ago but if they were you'd have thought they'd have done it when they bulldozed the wedding cake?

Also, are they still knocking down the area around the Casbah or has that been scrapped?

I've heard the Yorkshire Grey has a slight stay of execution, will probably stay open until about September I'm guessing.

Casbah area is to be flattened to make way for new retail quarter development, no idea when it'll happen though. Guess a lot of legal stuff has to be got through first.

Originally posted by Classic Rock
The Roxy is to become a hotel complex - planning permission sorted I believe.


Yet ANOTHER hotel???




Ady

Sheffield centre needs a hotel like a fish needs a bicycle....

BTW, isn't the Yorkshire Grey LISTED???


If so, how the hell can they demolish it for a car park???


Oh yeah, they demolished the old coop [listed] to build a crappy safeway.....


Ady

its only grade 2 listed and councils can demolish grade 2 listed buildings as long as they get a compulasary purchase order afaik

I would have to say that while from the outside this is quite a nice looking pub, especially from the car park side. Although in the most recent years the place internally has become to my way of thinking a little bit like a town branch of the big tree. And so I don't go in any longer. I remember going in quite regularly 10 years ago, and thinking it was a nice pub with a good atmosphere. But the quality of the beer went down and the clientele became noisy loud and annoying.

It is a great shame that excellent pub premises like these cannot be kept in the long run within the town centre redevelopment

Howard Street and Charles Street are becoming potentially the main walking route into town from the station. The new street furniture looks pretty good. So we should be keeping the old pubs on this key route, not getting rid of them. I hate to see old pubs demolished, even when they aren't currently great pubs (eg the Nags Head on Shalesmoor), because when they're gone, they're gone forever.

The increased passing trade could mean the Yorkshire Grey could upgrade its interior, beer range, food, outdoor areas etc. The Globe used to be a fine old pub but its interior was gutted and is now a faceless anypub. The Roebuck can also improve. What is happening with the Cossack? Not a great place either but it could have been refurbed/developed. The Howard could even be a good pub one day.

This is the gateway to Sheffield for our visitors and a line of decent pubs, bars and restaurants is exactly what we need (it breaks up the walk up the hill!). Nothing wrong in principle with the ground floor of a carpark being a good bar, but why not just keep the Yorkshire Grey and build it into the corner of the new block? Money is no doubt the short-sighted answer.

There's quite a large open air car park on the other side of Arundel gate, sureky the multistorey could have been built on that, or is it too much to ask people to walk across the road to get into town? An alteration would have been needed at the traffic lights and a new junction put in, but you get a multistorey car park, a new public realm with the pub still in place.

I really don't get all this fuss over the Yorkshire Grey. The existing building has little historical standing only being, I think, from the 1930s and is not associated with anything interesting. It is boring and impersonal inside and the beer garden looks out onto Arundel gate for god's sake!

A new firestation is to be built further down Arundel Gate so a multi-storey carpark wouldn't be appropriate there.

M

The car park you speak of is a lot further down the road, the one i'm on a bout is the one right across from derwent house so something could be built on that, unless there's a plan for more office blocks there.

Granted at the minute the pub could look better inside, but that wouldn't take much doing. Turn it into a traditional pub inside, get some more real ales back on and pub grub, the office staff will love it in the surrounding buildings.

It was a great pub, but it isn't very traditional any more with big screens, video machines etc - there's plenty of other places like that in town.

Yorkshire Grey -
Is it going to be/has it been knocked down for a car park? Or is this out of date info? What's the deal?

The Washington -
I know Nick Banks stopped owning it, but I read elsewhere that it "went downhill and was subsequently taken over by former management." So who really owns the Washington now and is it any good?

Info gratefully received!

AFAIK the Yorkie Grey is still scheduled to be knocked down in favour of building a car park, although given the Council's retarded anti-car policies I can't really understand WHY they're building a car park.. :loopy:

Washington seemed ok to me, really busy on Friday nights for such an out of the way pub.

Originally posted by probedb
Washington seemed ok to me, really busy on Friday nights for such an out of the way pub.

Out of the way? It's about 2 minutes walk from West Street!

Washington got really run down but is a decent boozer again now

Originally posted by Rich
AFAIK the Yorkie Grey is still scheduled to be knocked down in favour of building a car park, although given the Council's retarded anti-car policies I can't really understand WHY they're building a car park.. :loopy:


They are building a car park on the yorkshire grey because it is next to all the council buildings!
One rule for one.... etc

I think a bunch of the regulars and staff formed a Ltd Company to keep the Washington going....

I'm not 100% sure though.

Have they sorted out the problem with the fag smoke in the washington. We stopped going in there because it was impossible to breathe. All the windows were sealed and all the crappy blocked up air cleaners were on full, blocked up and having no effect whatsoever.

I asked a couple of times at the bar if they were going to do anything about it and just got laughed at. So we all stopped going in.

Originally posted by Murph
Out of the way? It's about 2 minutes walk from West Street!

Exactly, very out of the way ;)

The cunning management of the Washington seems to be unable to keep it stocked with...well...beer....

Slight oversight n'est pas?

I remember reading earlier this year that The Yorkshire Grey is going to be raised to the ground to make way for the new St Paul's Place development.

I really hope they don't bulldoze it - not because it's a good pub, but because the building is a beautiful piece of 19th century architecture.

What do you all think - should The Yorkshire Grey be saved?

Definitely.. The whole thing smacks of hypocrisy on the Council's part anyway, they don't want people taking their cars in Town, yet they want to demolish a popular pub to make... A car park! Something that would ENCOURAGE cars into the City Centre :loopy:

Mod: Similar threads merged.

The Washington went bad went good last year and now appears to be bad again. I dont know how they keep running out of beer. It seems they might be trying to run it into the ground again. Though I have seen flyers for a punk night called 'Plan B' that is starting up on the first thursday in august and heard that other dj nights are starting up so maybe im wrong?

Originally posted by theimposter
The Washington went bad went good last year and now appears to be bad again. I dont know how they keep running out of beer.
It's really simple. When you don't pay your suppliers they stop delivering beer.

they apparently can't order extra. Only what they preject to sell. not a way to run a pub.

That's what THEY say ;)

It won't be around for much longer, as it seems the owners cannot get there head around how to run a pub and pay bills.

However, there will always be people there for the Washington, shame the owners don't deserve them

the place has always been a bit of a dive but an enjoyable dive to drink in.

I'm not convinced the the Yorkshire Grey is being knocked down, someone I know's recently moved in upstairs and is the new assistant manager apparently...

Washington's always been reasonably full when I've been in, I think they've not had any vodka once though so god knows whats going on!

I spoke to the staff at the start of the year and it was def going ahead. They were being moved to other pubs in the chain. I think that there has been some sort of delay in the work and therefore its going to be demoilished later than was originally thought.

is the yourkshire grey still goin to be demolished to make way for the multi story car park for st pauls place ? Ive probaly got my wires crossed here but i heard it was going to be knocked but now it isnt. Dont know if there's any truth in that. Also has anyone heard if we're goin to get the conran tower built on that same site ? I know they re-submitted there're plans but that was over a month ago now ?

I asked about this a few months ago (admittedly whilst drunk).

The answer was that a final decision is still pending, but that nothing will be happening before Dec 05 at the earliest.
So we have time for a few more pints.

Me and my friends go there every Wednesday for lunch as it represents the mid point for out various workplaces. I'd heard something about a compulsory purchase order but nothing else recently....

Shame really as I have some history with that pub - ok, well I got thrown out for being underage when I was 16 and it was the last day of school before GCSEs...

The girls got served, though!!

Still, it would be a shame for it to go as it's the easiest pub to get to (aside from the globe, which I do prefer but it's a committee decision!) from where we all work... Walking into town takes too long!

So, three years on since this thread was last active, does anyone actually miss the old dump?

So, three years on since this thread was last active, does anyone actually miss the old dump?

Part of me does, part of me doesn't. I still think it was a lovely building, and I had loads of good times there, but the beer had been awful and vastly overpriced for years.

It was round the corner from the office I used to work in, and always had the cricket on, so we used it for that, but really, as a pub, I only miss it because it was a 'pub' pub, not all metal and plastic.

It wasn't that great in the end in all truth.

So, three years on since this thread was last active, does anyone actually miss the old dump?

Not realy, the other dump across the road is still there.

I enjoyed having a pint and a game of pool there, it's a shame it had to be knocked down.

Not realy, the other dump across the road is still there.

i do hope youre talking about the roebuck and not the red lion! :o;)


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