Anyone know if the plan to put cameras on the tram gates at Hillborough corner is actually going to happen and if so when?

I hope it's sooner than later. I get a bit miffed, nothing serious, no blood pressure going through the roof type of miffed, but miffed anyway, by those who deliberately go through the tram gates.

The argument they give is generally of the type I have to drive an extra x miles to get where I'm going. You're in a car ffs, you knew the tram gates were there, set off earlier. /miffed rant

I wish they would also put them when you turn off Penistone Road into Infirmary Road and there is a huge red sign that says NO ENTRY..except for taxis and buses. The rest of us have to carry on 200 yards then turn left near Safeway.

I hope they do as well. If a law is there it is there for a reason and people should not be able to break that law just because they feel like it.

Those that do are probably the same morons who smoke where there are non-smoking signs, break the speed limit and queue up at the '8 items or less' checkout with a trolly load of goods. They also like talking about the 'nanny state', 'Jobsworths' and 'little Hitlers'. I'm sure we all know the type of people I mean.

It does annoy me when the trams can't get through but it's also a real pain to get to Middlewood Road sometimes if you're driving.

I think cars should be allowed through there at off-peak times.

Perhaps they ought to sort out the route for drivers and make sure it's properly signposted first.

I've given up driving around that area because the signs disappear after a while and you get completely lost.

Originally posted by slimsid2000
I hope they do as well. If a law is there it is there for a reason and people should not be able to break that law just because they feel like it.

Those that do are probably the same morons who smoke where there are non-smoking signs, break the speed limit and queue up at the '8 items or less' checkout with a trolly load of goods. They also like talking about the 'nanny state', 'Jobsworths' and 'little Hitlers'. I'm sure we all know the type of people I mean.

Slimsid..for fecks sake stay on topic and stop dragging your tedious annoyance at all things smoking into every thread possible, especially when its got nowt to do with it. Yeah yeah we all know you don't like smoking but we've heard it too many times before. I ain't too keen on it either but you're starting to get right on my tits.

Tram gate abuser and proud of it. Wotcha gonna do about it? ;)

I once heard a while back that there nothing the police could do for a while as they had forgotten to apply for a license or something to say that going through them was an offence.

As a previous poster mentioned, they should be ok to go through during offpeak hours, say from 0930 - 1630 just like most bus lanes.

Originally posted by max

The argument they give is generally of the type I have to drive an extra x miles to get where I'm going. You're in a car ffs, you knew the tram gates were there, set off earlier. /miffed rant

It's not just a question of how fast you get there though, is it? Every time I want to get from Crookes/Walkley out towards Middlewood (or vice versa) I do have to go miles out of the way (either onto Penistone Rd or round Malin Bridge), whereas I used to be able to go straight across Hillsborough corner (I'm not one of the ones who still do, by the way). The trouble is, going miles out of the way every time costs me extra money in petrol, and rather makes a mockery of the fact that one of the main selling points of the tram was supposed to be that it would cut pollution. If there was a sensible alternative route it wouldn't be so bad, but I just don't see how making me sit in a traffic jam for an extra mile or two every time makes any ecological sense.

It's about time the council did something about this tram gate... in my view making it peak hours only would be the most sensible solution. A few years ago we had a thorough consultation exercise and consultants were paid enormous amounts of money to come up with a scheme which turned out to be completely impractical and wouldn't have solved any of the problems anyway, and then... nothing happened. Trouble is, most people wanted to scrap it or make it peak hours only, and the council didn't agree with that so they conveniently ignored the whole thing.

Cameras are already installed. I believe there's some technical/legal hitch means they can't be used as evidence until October ?

That's right, the law isn't in force yet. When it comes in though I believe the fine will be £50 a time. Adds a bit on to the weekly commute for some people.

Personally I'm in favour of it. Those who are so selfish as to ignore the 'rules' set out by their own elected representatives to try and aid traffic flow annoy me. Especially as their selfish actions mean that the lights favour the flow they're not meant to, leading to terrible congestion on the other routes.

As for adding extra distance/time for motorists - that really is a non-starter argument. As pointed out earlier, a few extra hundred yards (we're not talking miles here) in a car is not an issue. And the environmental impact - what burns more fuel? - you using the tram gates and causing 100 other cars to sit stationary with their engines running or you going a couple of extra hundred yards on to a reasonably free-flowing dual carriageway? As for increased costs, going to be negligible - except that a portion of everyone's taxes have now been invested in setting the camera scheme up by the sound of it.

Drive your car through the tram gates in a few weeks time and you will need very deep pockets indeed

So the tram gets through Hillsborough while cars have to detour, & the traffic lights are fixed so that the trams always have a green light. When I drive down from Walkley and get stuck in a long queue because a tram is 3 miles away and so my traffic light's on red, and then I have to turn right even though I want to turn left, I reflect happily on the road tax I'm paying, and the accumulated extra money I'm spending on petrol. (hope the wife doesn't read this, she loves the tram)

The whole point of the tram is to stop people using their cars, and therefore reducing congestion overall, so it's hardly surprising that it gets priority. I don't use a car because the tram is there so I guess that policy works for me.

Hillsborough corner can be a pain at peak times and I agree with the idea of stopping people driving through it because it causes delays, and it's not too much hassle to bypass it if you know the area. I agree with the previous poster who said it's not very well signed though.

I intend to carry on going through the tram gate despite the camera's... I'll be on a tram though, but my heart's in the right place!!! :D

Yes, the main reason for the tram is so that people will get out of their car's and catch it. therefore relieving congestion.Its not there to make metalman's car journey shorter.
dont you think that would be defeating the object.

Well it's not there to make my car journey shorter (and actually I catch it to work every day).

But the question is, should it make my car journey deliberately longer?

I would say that rather defeats the object too.

Originally posted by wibbles
Slimsid..for fecks sake stay on topic and stop dragging your tedious annoyance at all things smoking into every thread possible, especially when its got nowt to do with it. Yeah yeah we all know you don't like smoking but we've heard it too many times before. I ain't too keen on it either but you're starting to get right on my tits.

I think that if you read my post you will find it is not about smoking at all. It relates the issue at hand (abuse of the tram gate) with the types of people (and thier attitudes in general) who abuse the tramgate. Smoking where not permitted is mentioned along with several other abuses. You should see it in this context.

I particularly liked the way that you equated queueing in the 8 items or less queue when having more to someone breaking the law.

What exactly is a tram gate anyway, and where abouts are we talking about, I'm confused as to whether this is the turn of penistone road (around where the tram leaves penistone road and moves over to langsett road). Or is it where the tram goes through Hillsborough outside the HSBC bank?

By the bank.

Had a good look yesterday and the cameras aren't up yet

welll traffic can turn left from that road in front of wilkinsons coming up from olerton so cars can access these areas

there is also a residential street directly opposite the bank.
What exact maneuveur is it that the camera should stop, turn left after passing the bank on holme lane?

The signs currently indicate the following:

coming from town along Langsett Road is bus/tram only after Ripley Street
left turn from Bradfield Road onto Langsett Road is allowed (thus allowing access to the residential street (Rudyard Road) mentioned)
right turn from Holme Lane onto Langsett Road is bus/tram only
left turn from Holme Lane onto Langsett Road is allowed
keeping straight on Langsett Road into town is bus/tram only from the north-west side of the junction (near Woolies/Hillsborough Road)

Map here (http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&X=433250&Y=389750&width=700&height=400&gride=&gridn=&srec=0&coordsys=gb&db=GB&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=&advanced=&local=&localinfosel=&kw=&inmap=&table=&ovtype=&zm=0&scale=5000&down.x=286&down.y=2).

Hope that reads right...

The cameras will attempt to enforce the above restrictions. The main ones being those who drive straight along the length of Langsett Road in either direction

This article in today's Sheffield Star would suggest that there are still no cameras to worry about:

http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=1061188

Originally posted by max
I hope it's sooner than later. I get a bit miffed, nothing serious, no blood pressure going through the roof type of miffed, but miffed anyway, by those who deliberately go through the tram gates.

The argument they give is generally of the type I have to drive an extra x miles to get where I'm going. You're in a car ffs, you knew the tram gates were there, set off earlier. /miffed rant If they just let people through there, there would be no need for the gates ...

pain in the a**e council

Getting stuck at the traffic lights at the bottom of Netherthorpe Rd duz my head in cos of the tram having priority.....But I get my own back cos when its behind me I slow it down so much hehe

Originally posted by hotphil
The signs currently indicate the following:

coming from town along Langsett Road is bus/tram only after Ripley Street
left turn from Bradfield Road onto Langsett Road is allowed (thus allowing access to the residential street (Rudyard Road) mentioned)
right turn from Holme Lane onto Langsett Road is bus/tram only
left turn from Holme Lane onto Langsett Road is allowed
keeping straight on Langsett Road into town is bus/tram only from the north-west side of the junction (near Woolies/Hillsborough Road)

Map here (http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&X=433250&Y=389750&width=700&height=400&gride=&gridn=&srec=0&coordsys=gb&db=GB&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=&advanced=&local=&localinfosel=&kw=&inmap=&table=&ovtype=&zm=0&scale=5000&down.x=286&down.y=2).

Hope that reads right...

The cameras will attempt to enforce the above restrictions. The main ones being those who drive straight along the length of Langsett Road in either direction

will that include the police from the hillsborough station who turn left out of walkley lane and then go through the taxi/tram only section of langsett road?

Just drive you car right up to the lights, then stick on your hazzards as if you have broken down and then get out and push your car to the other side of the junction, you are only moving your car as you would be causing an obstruction to the tram!! Simple

Originally posted by hotphil
The signs currently indicate the following:

coming from town along Langsett Road is bus/tram only after Ripley Street
left turn from Bradfield Road onto Langsett Road is allowed (thus allowing access to the residential street (Rudyard Road) mentioned)
right turn from Holme Lane onto Langsett Road is bus/tram only
left turn from Holme Lane onto Langsett Road is allowed
keeping straight on Langsett Road into town is bus/tram only from the north-west side of the junction (near Woolies/Hillsborough Road)

Map here (http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&X=433250&Y=389750&width=700&height=400&gride=&gridn=&srec=0&coordsys=gb&db=GB&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=&advanced=&local=&localinfosel=&kw=&inmap=&table=&ovtype=&zm=0&scale=5000&down.x=286&down.y=2).



Left turn onto Bradfield Rd from Middlewood Rd is a definite NO,NO but plenty still do it.

So according to that Star article they're still 'considering' changing it from 24 hour to 12 hour. How much more considering do we need - they've had ten years to think about it. It would be nice if something actually happened one way or the other - either enforce it or get rid of it. I get sick of driving miles round to Malin Bridge or Penistone Rd every time and obeying the law like a good little citizen while everybody else just ignores it and goes straight through, thus saving them lots of time and money. Think of how much that's amounted to over 10 years and it's not going to be peanuts.

The tramgate at hillborough corner is a big con, someone i know (who i might just add) knows about these things says that planning for the tram gate was not passed by the council but they put the signs up anyway! so if you get a ticket you should contest it and it will be thrown out of court.

i bloody use it 5 times a day and sometimes get some strange looks but hey who really cares?

There is a camera and you can get a fine for driving through..? :o Uh-oh!
I find that tram/busgate a bit bizarre - to get anywhere past it, i.e schools, Morrisons - you have to drive down onto Penistone Road past the park, along past B&Q, round the Old Road then turn left up Bamforth Street, then right down Langsett Road - nearly doubling the journey! So much for keeping pollution down!

Originally posted by Henrietta
There is a camera and you can get a fine for driving through..? :o Uh-oh!
I find that tram/busgate a bit bizarre - to get anywhere past it, i.e schools, Morrisons - you have to drive down onto Penistone Road past the park, along past B&Q, round the Old Road then turn left up Bamforth Street, then right down Langsett Road - nearly doubling the journey! So much for keeping pollution down!

Originally posted by derek

If you're going down Penistone road why don't you just turn right at Swann Mortons and then left at Hillsborough corner to get onto Langsett road.

Ahh hah, thanks for that Derek :thumbsup:

Originally posted by garryh69
The tramgate at hillborough corner is a big con, someone i know (who i might just add) knows about these things says that planning for the tram gate was not passed by the council but they put the signs up anyway! so if you get a ticket you should contest it and it will be thrown out of court.

i bloody use it 5 times a day and sometimes get some strange looks but hey who really cares?

garry - i think u are missing the point - there is too much traffic at the junction. the signals are set for trams and busses, not cars! so when theres a build up of traffic locally around hillsborough its PEOPLE LIKE U THATS CAUSING IT!!

if your friend works at the council then get them to explain to you about congestion and how THEY ARE USING MEASURES LIKE MAKING BUS AND TRAM GATES TO HELP RELIEVE THE PROBLEM

I have to admit - I think that enforcing the tram gate is a good thing as it is soo annoying sitting in traffic on the tram, sometimes from as far back as Tesco's - but equally if they want people not to go through the tram gate they should change the signal times at Bradfield Road - they only let through about 2 cars at a time, which again is so annoying I end up being one of those people I hate and driving through the tram gate!

Originally posted by empea
garry - i think u are missing the point - there is too much traffic at the junction. the signals are set for trams and busses, not cars! so when theres a build up of traffic locally around hillsborough its PEOPLE LIKE U THATS CAUSING IT!!

if your friend works at the council then get them to explain to you about congestion and how THEY ARE USING MEASURES LIKE MAKING BUS AND TRAM GATES TO HELP RELIEVE THE PROBLEM

the congestion is caused by the tram gate, not relieved by it. Forcing cars to make longer and more convoluted journeys is clearly going to increase both congestion and pollution.

Originally posted by metalman
A few years ago ... then... nothing happened. Trouble is, most people wanted to scrap it or make it peak hours only, and the council didn't agree with that so they conveniently ignored the whole thing.

Not quite. The LibDem council was going to implement peak hours restrictions in 2002. Then, there was an election and the Labour candidates standing on a ticket of 24-hour restrictions were elected, and Labour took control.

So, obviously, the people of Hillsborough and Walkley wanted 24-hour restrictions, as that's what they voted for.

--
JGH

Oh, come on, STOP COMPLAINING!!!

You voted for the people who said they'd keep the tram gates. They got in, kept their promise, and kept the tram gates. Now you're winging that they kept the tram gates!!!

I didn't vote for them. And I don't really think the other good people of Hillsborough voted for them simply because they wanted to keep the tram gate; they presumably had some other policies too, though don't get me started on them or we'll be here all night.

That's right, the law isn't in force yet. When it comes in though I believe the fine will be £50 a time. Adds a bit on to the weekly commute for some people.

actually the fine is £60 and 3 points on your licence, so beware you could be catching the tram before you know it if yo go through them too often

Originally posted by pitsmoorlad
So the tram gets through Hillsborough while cars have to detour, & the traffic lights are fixed so that the trams always have a green light. When I drive down from Walkley and get stuck in a long queue because a tram is 3 miles away and so my traffic light's on red, and then I have to turn right even though I want to turn left, I reflect happily on the road tax I'm paying, and the accumulated extra money I'm spending on petrol. (hope the wife doesn't read this, she loves the tram)

reflect also on the pollution u'r causing and the contrubtion your making to the traffic jam in the first place

Originally posted by haggis
reflect also on the pollution u'r causing and the contrubtion your making to the traffic jam in the first place

yes, the tram gate adds to jam and to the pollution by forcing car journeys to be longer and more convuluted than necessary.

If they keep on adding restrictions we'll soon have a major crossroads which cars can only pass through illegally.

How many people who are complaining about people going through the gates speed in their cars? I bet it's a high percentage.

You can't whinge about people breaking one law and then break another yourself. It's called hypocrisy.

Incidentally, those concerned will be interested to know that the penalty for failing to obey a road sign such as this, a bus lane or similar is not points, it's a £30 fine, although the actual amount may vary. It's not an endorseable offence though.

will that include the police from the hillsborough station who turn left out of walkley lane and then go through the taxi/tram only section of langsett road?

The police, in common with all the emergency services, have an exemption from bus lanes/gates etc.

"Sorry sarge, we couln't stop him murdering her because we couldn't go through the tram gate."

Originally posted by Andygs
Incidentally, those concerned will be interested to know that the penalty for failing to obey a road sign such as this, a bus lane or similar is not points, it's a £30 fine, although the actual amount may vary. It's not an endorseable offence though.

Then (by ignoring road signs) you could "technicaly" be classed as driving dangerously (which is an endorsable offence)!

Originally posted by dan_999uk
The police, in common with all the emergency services, have an exemption from bus lanes/gates etc.

Surely that should be only with adequate warnings from the emergency services vehicle (sirens, flashing lights etc). However, this has not been the case from what I've seen (from the Police @ least - Right out of Dodd St or Tricket Rd, down to the bottom of Ripley St, then Left in to Langsett Rd with not so much a "wooooowww" from the siren)!

No, they don't have to use sirens or lights - they can cross bus gates routinely.

Originally posted by dan_999uk
No, they don't have to use sirens or lights - they can cross bus gates routinely.


But not turn left from Ripley St into Langsett road (there'a a no left turn sign - which applies to everyone) but they still turn left!

This topic has been discussed several times before .... but i don't think the highways dept. have! .... Make Penistone road a tidal route three lanes in during morning 6 to 10 then reverse at evening 4 to 8 ( this would also cover evening speedway & football Traffic)with the buses 53, 74/74a, 77/80 diverted to go via Langsett road. Another option is build a Park and ride site either on the land opposite wednesday ground (owned by tesco) or on Kilner way with an expess bus into town. York and Norwich have serveral P&R sites with a connecting express bus services into their centres. The Hillsborough problem needs sorting now before another 100 plus houses are built in the area.

IIRC there are exemptions listed for buses and taxis, as the "No left turn" sign is a result of the bus gate.

I'll check next time I turn left there :P

Originally posted by dan_999uk
IIRC there are exemptions listed for buses and taxis, as the "No left turn" sign is a result of the bus gate.

I'll check next time I turn left there :P


Came down earlier today (youngest attends school near there) and there is no exemption sign (not even bicycles);) though I will double check tomorrow morning:thumbsup:.

Originally posted by dan_999uk
IIRC there are exemptions listed for buses and taxis, as the "No left turn" sign is a result of the bus gate.

I'll check next time I turn left there :P

there are no exceptions, it's no left turn, but the police regularly do (not responding to any call unless they regularly respond at a very leisurely pace) and many other people do as well, since otherwise you have to add a mile to your journey to travel 50 metres.

Originally posted by Fearful
Anyone know if the plan to put cameras on the tram gates at Hillborough corner is actually going to happen and if so when?

I know the Drivers on the 82 route to Stannington are allways late because of the traffic jams from Hillsborough Corner to Langsett Road/Bamforth Street.

The whole "Tram Gate" problem is that cars are still going through when they are suppose to go up Ripley Street.

Originally posted by Cyclone
there are no exceptions, it's no left turn

I looked this morning, and there actually are exemptions posted which are:

Trams (:loopy: - don't think tram goes down Ripley St)
Buses (again :loopy: - nor does any bus)
Cycles (fair enough)
Taxis (again, fair enough)

There are no other exemptions mentioned though!



Originally posted by Cyclone
but the police regularly do (not responding to any call unless they regularly respond at a very leisurely pace) and many other people do as well

My argument exactly. If they (the Police) are allowed to break laws as they see fit, then they shouldn't be too surprised when others do the same!



Originally posted by Cyclone
you have to add a mile to your journey to travel 50 metres.

I know. But it's only 5 minutes in a car, it's not like I'm having to walk that extra mile though?

Originally posted by exmrbd
The whole "Tram Gate" problem is that cars are still going through when they are suppose to go up Ripley Street.

And the drivers turning LEFT into Langsett Road from Ripley St;).

those are exceptions to who can continue on down langsett road.

there are no exceptions to the "no left turn" sign.

It's not like having to walk an extra mile, it's worse. Walking doesn't pollute or cause congestion, driving that extra mile (in both directions) does.

Originally posted by sccsux
I looked this morning, and there actually are exemptions posted which are:

Trams (:loopy: - don't think tram goes down Ripley St)
Buses (again :loopy: - nor does any bus)
Cycles (fair enough)
Taxis (again, fair enough)

There are no other exemptions mentioned though!





My argument exactly. If they (the Police) are allowed to break laws as they see fit, then they shouldn't be too surprised when others do the same!





I know. But it's only 5 minutes in a car, it's not like I'm having to walk that extra mile though?

Originally posted by Cyclone
those are exceptions to who can continue on down langsett road.

Which means turning left from Ripley Street into Langsett Road??



Originally posted by Cyclone
Walking doesn't pollute or cause congestion, driving that extra mile (in both directions) does.


Get one of the new Hondas:P:D.

OK. The congestion would be the same, but @ least all you'd be kicking out is water;).


Will have another look at the signage on Ripley St soon (School's out for Monday;)).

ermm, no, continue means not turning at all, that's where the exclusions sign is, it excludes some traffic from the compulsory left turn up the hill.
Coming the other way (down the hill, no left turn, only right turn) there are no exclusions.


Which new honda is that? If it only produces water then it's running on hydrogen, as far as I know there is only 1 hydrogen refuelling pump in the UK and it's not in Sheffield

Originally posted by Cyclone
ermm, no, [b]continue means not turning at all, that's where the exclusions sign is, it excludes some traffic from the compulsory left turn up the hill.



I think we're @ crossed threads here.

I'm not talking about coming down Langsett Road, I'm on about coming down Ripley Street. You can not continue straight on as you would end up in the Barracks wall (rather like the PC last year who killed himself @ that very spot)! I take it you're talking about coming straight down Langsett Road (pic:here (http://www.sypc-aid.co.uk/images/Mpl.jpg)) past Maplins?

Originally posted by Cyclone
yes, the tram gate adds to jam and to the pollution by forcing car journeys to be longer and more convuluted than necessary.

If they keep on adding restrictions we'll soon have a major crossroads which cars can only pass through illegally.

If you'd ever tried driving through Hillsborough before the tram gates were installed you'd realise that congestion now is about 1/4 what it was.

That 'extra' mile you complain about may only take 1 - 3 minutes now whereas the 50 yards pre-tram gates would have taken nearer 20 minues.

Originally posted by sccsux
I think we're @ crossed threads here.

I'm not talking about coming down Langsett Road, I'm on about coming down Ripley Street. You can not continue straight on as you would end up in the Barracks wall (rather like the PC last year who killed himself @ that very spot)! I take it you're talking about coming straight down Langsett Road (pic:here (http://www.sypc-aid.co.uk/images/Mpl.jpg)) past Maplins?

you're right.

max - what was the bottle neck before the tram gate then?

Originally posted by sccsux
I looked this morning, and there actually are exemptions posted which are:

Trams (:loopy: - don't think tram goes down Ripley St)
Buses (again :loopy: - nor does any bus)
Cycles (fair enough)
Taxis (again, fair enough)

There are no other exemptions mentioned though!





My argument exactly. If they (the Police) are allowed to break laws as they see fit, then they shouldn't be too surprised when others do the same!





I know. But it's only 5 minutes in a car, it's not like I'm having to walk that extra mile though?

LOL - the point is, the police aren't breaking the law, because of the exemption as an emergency service, and like I said, they don't have to display warning lights when they claim this exemption.

The police have a responsibility to patrol everywhere - this includes roads that are bus/taxi only, hence the exemption.

It's not double standards, no matter how much you might want it to be...

Originally posted by dan_999uk
LOL - the point is, the police aren't breaking the law, because of the exemption as an emergency service, and like I said, they don't have to display warning lights when they claim this exemption.

The police have a responsibility to patrol everywhere - this includes roads that are bus/taxi only, hence the exemption.

It's not double standards, no matter how much you might want it to be...

they don't have exemptions to "no left turn" which is precisely what they do, turn left.

I thought the letter in last night's Star about the tram gate from our own Councillor Harston was spot on. Well said mate.

they don't have exemptions to "no left turn" which is precisely what they do, turn left.

The exemption is part of the regulation that allows the Council to establish a no-left turn there in the first place - it's included in the list of vehicles permitted to turn left, along with taxis, buses et al. The reason it's not included in the sign is because most people would realise that emergency vehicles are able to use bus gates/lanes etc etc etc,and there's only a limited amount of space on the sign...

Originally posted by dan_999uk
The exemption is part of the regulation that allows the Council to establish a no-left turn there in the first place - it's included in the list of vehicles permitted to turn left, along with taxis, buses et al. The reason it's not included in the sign is because most people would realise that emergency vehicles are able to use bus gates/lanes etc etc etc,and there's only a limited amount of space on the sign...

the sign saying no left turn has no exclusions on it, no taxis, no bikes, no buses, just no left turn.

the sign saying no left turn has no exclusions on it, no taxis, no bikes, no buses, just no left turn.

I believe we established previously that the sign we are discussing does have exemptions listed.

Oh yes, here it is:
I looked this morning, and there actually are exemptions posted which are:

Trams ( - don't think tram goes down Ripley St)
Buses (again - nor does any bus)
Cycles (fair enough)
Taxis (again, fair enough)

There are no other exemptions mentioned though!