It`s all very well getting annoyed, upset or even angry when someone does something anti social and I must confess to doing all of those things. But as I watched some retard going through a red light (which had changed 3, three, THREE ! cars in front of him....) I had an overwhelming desire to know what he was actually thinking, or if he was actually thinking at all. I would really liked to have had the opportunity to ask him, but motorists being how they are, it would be unknown that a reasonable rational discussion would result !!!
In the same way as ignorants who drop litter, what do they think before and as they`re actually doing it ?
Do these people realise that they shouldn`t be doing whatever it is, or do they know but they just don`t care ?
Whichever is the answer how is society going to stop them ?

If you watch people drop litter they appear to have no thought processes going on at all in connection with the act itself....its like second nature to them.

If you watch people drop litter they appear to have no thought processes going on at all in connection with the act itself....its like second nature to them.Yes, and by no remarkable coincidence there is litter all over the council estates, but virtually none in more select areas.
It's all about moral standards and social responsibility. They in turn come from parental example, education and breeding.

Yes, and by no remarkable coincidence there is litter all over the council estates, but virtually none in more select areas.
It's all about moral standards and social responsibility. They in turn come from parental example, education and breeding.

An intriguing post Sutcliffe, inasmuch as the first part is utter rowlocks and that the second is fair comment.

Yes, and by no remarkable coincidence there is litter all over the council estates, but virtually none in more select areas.
It's all about moral standards and social responsibility. They in turn come from parental example, education and breeding.

These "select" areas will no doubt receive more attention from the authorities set up to maintain them with regards to cleaning. As the old saying goes "when theres an inch of snow on Parson Cross theres an inch of grit in Dore".

These "select" areas will no doubt recieve more attention from the authorities set up to maintain them with regards to cleaning. As the old saying goes "when theres an inch of snow on Parson Cross theres an inch of grit in Dore".It really doesn't work like that. Council resources are not channelled into the nicer suburbs; it just happens that they look tidier because people hardly drop litter or vandalise in the first place.

It really doesn't work like that. Council resources are not channelled into the nicer suburbs; it just happens that they look tidier because people hardly drop litter or vandalise in the first place.

I am not doubting you on that one but I cannot for one second believe there are no priorities with regards to the council.

Originally Posted by Sutcliffe
Yes, and by no remarkable coincidence there is litter all over the council estates, but virtually none in more select areas.
It's all about moral standards and social responsibility. They in turn come from parental example, education and breeding.
An intriguing post Sutcliffe, inasmuch as the first part is utter rowlocks and that the second is fair comment.Well, at least we partially agree.
But why 'rowlocks' for the first part - can you actually disagree that people in deprived areas are more prone to drop litter and fly tip, whereas people in the nicer suburbs tend to be house proud and hardly the sort to throw fag packets or MacDonalds wrappers out of their car windows?

These "select" areas will no doubt receive more attention from the authorities set up to maintain them with regards to cleaning. As the old saying goes "when theres an inch of snow on Parson Cross theres an inch of grit in Dore".


This is off the point really but I just thought the comment on Dore v Parson Cross gritting was a little inaccurate, it`s probably the other way around !
Many moons ago I used to live in Dore, in fact it was so long ago that there used to be real snow, not the pathetic covering we ever get these days. But the point is that I used to walk past Blacka Moor Rd and no matter how bad the snow I can`t ever remember seeing it gritted. The reason I remember this is because I used to speculate that particular road probably generates more rates (as it was then) than any other in the city yet it virtually never got gritted in the winter !

Originally Posted by Sutcliffe
Yes, and by no remarkable coincidence there is litter all over the council estates, but virtually none in more select areas.
It's all about moral standards and social responsibility. They in turn come from parental example, education and breeding.
Well, at least we partially agree.
But why 'rowlocks' for the first part - can you actually disagree that people in deprived areas are more prone to drop litter and fly tip, whereas people in the nicer suburbs tend to be house proud and hardly the sort to throw fag packets or MacDonalds wrappers out of their car windows?

I can remember the first time I realised how you can usually tell you`re in a council estate. It`s not the houses so much (more and more private estates look "samey"), it`s the gardens. Some do make an effort with plants and lawns and some do pick up the litter which may have blown in, but an awful lot of them look like Beirut on a bad day......
You have a look next time and see the difference.

These "select" areas will no doubt receive more attention from the authorities set up to maintain them with regards to cleaning. As the old saying goes "when theres an inch of snow on Parson Cross theres an inch of grit in Dore".

I live in a nice area with very little litter on the streets and I've never seen the council giving any special attention to cleaning the streets. Most people keep the bit in front of their house clean. The people who p*** me off are the one's who drop a fag packet just before they walk past a bin. Do they drop anything they don't want on the carpet at home and then wait for the council to come round and clean up after them? What a bl**dy mess their carpet must be!

I believe it is all about how you're brought up and not always to do with income or if you live on a council estate.

An intriguing post Sutcliffe, inasmuch as the first part is utter rowlocks and that the second is fair comment.


People who are anti social and drop litter etc have little self-respect, make no effort, have no sense of responsibility etc. Such people are more likely to clog up council estates precisely because they have those attitudes. People who live in the 'nice' areas are more likely to be conscientious, self-respecting, make an effort, have standards, etc, which isn't unconnected to the fact that they've succeeded in life so can live in the nice areas. I don't find it surprising at all.

I can remember the first time I realised how you can usually tell you`re in a council estate. It`s not the houses so much (more and more private estates look "samey"), it`s the gardens. Some do make an effort with plants and lawns and some do pick up the litter which may have blown in, but an awful lot of them look like Beirut on a bad day......
You have a look next time and see the difference.

Ditto. People who don't care, don't get on in life and tend to accumulate at the bottom of the heap. People who do care and put in some effort, tend to do well in life. And I'm not tarring all council tenants - I'm one myself. But the apalling attitudes and lack of values of many of the poor old 'poor' are the very reason that they are poor!

All of this is genuinely interesting but I really want to hear from one of those who actually undertakes these sort of actions. What exactly are they thinking as they drop a piece of litter or are about to go through a red light ?
Is it really the case that there aren`t any people who drop litter (or go through red lights) on SF ?!?
Or is it that they don`t want to admit to it, even under the cloak of anonymity !

All of this is genuinely interesting but I really want to hear from one of those who actually undertakes these sort of actions. What exactly are they thinking as they drop a piece of litter or are about to go through a red light ?
Is it really the case that there aren`t any people who drop litter (or go through red lights) on SF ?!?
Or is it that they don`t want to admit to it, even under the cloak of anonymity !You probably won't get an answer because people who are anti social in that way are unlikely to be on this forum let alone see this thread. Some types of anti social behaviour are subjective though as we have proved in our discussions on other threads.

I sometimes buy too many sweets on the way home from work and need to hide the evidence but I'd never contemplate chucking the wrappers out of the window, I just put them in a neighbours wheelie bin as I walk past.

Hope the person concerned isn't reading this. XXX

they DONT think, thats the problem

the only thing it actually is, is...................pure selfishness
no thought for anybody else whatsoever

my mate used to always drop litter until i hammered it into him that he should put it in a bin. i guess people dont think because he said to me once "i was just about to throw that bottle on the floor but thought id get a lecture off you so i put it in a bin". he does occasionally drop litter still but nowhere near as much.
i dont drop litter myself, only tab ends - on the principle that i have paid in advance for them to be picked up